I am puzzled by human nature.
For example , why is it sooooooo much easier to give money in the name of tithe, offering, seed sowing, or whatever, to self-appointed men and women in the name of god, knowing fully well that they would use such to enrich themselves and live larger than life, than it is to give same money, in the same name of tithe, offering, seed sowing, etc, to feed the hungry in our midst?

Why is it sooooo easy to say that one loves and god and loves Jesus, and yet the idea of giving 10% of one's income to feed or assist all shades of needy people in our communities invokes so much ire among the followers of Jesus?
They are quick to tell you that it is the government's duty to cater for the citizens.

For those who pay tithe, do you genuinely believe you are sacrificing something worthy to god, or are you knowingly and subconsciously paying a sin tax or a Bad-conscience tax?

To Christians, kindly offer your reasons in giving 10% of your income to your church rather using that 10% to help other childrenn of god,both relatives and strangers, who need it most.

This will fall on deaf ears.


Someone made a similar thread months ago only for it to be ignored by the tithers.

I really dont understand this offering unto god thingy. . .Why do people give unto God? People claim that their God owns everything and needs nothing yet they keep giving and offering unto their god. . .Some claim you rob god by not giving. All this injunction to give unto god sounds like the words of the needy rather than of the laudable self-sufficient one, no? God we are told needs no material things yet people are instructed to give unto him, how does that make sense? Many claim that they give because the want to show appreciation, even that doesn't make sense either. My step dad is very rich, once he helped me in sealing a deal that fetched me so much money, I bought him a car just to show appreciation on his birthday but to my surprise he told my mum that I shouldn't have bought him the car since he already has many cars and doesn't need it. He didn't reject it but still wasn't impressed. he felt i just wasted my money.

Will you give Bill Gates 1 million dollars to show appreciation if he makes you successful or gives you something that you need?. . .If you give him he will not accept it because it makes no sense to him and he doesn't need it, why then do people give money to their god who they claim owns every thing and needs nothing?. . .I know people that drop their first salaries in the church all in the name of giving to god and showing appreciation. . .Why give to a god that allegedly already own all?. . .Religions like christuanity is mainly for the greedy, it continues to show how greedy people are. . .People give only because they are promised a double fold else people will not give, all those giving believe it is their tithe that makes them rich but the reality is that the richest and most successful people on earth do NOT pay any tithe and offer nothing to any god. . .The first five richest people on earth are all agnostics and atheist and they do not pay tithe and offering to any god because they do not believe in any. . .

plaetton: I am puzzled by human nature.
For example , why is it sooooooo much easier to give money in the name of tithe, offering, seed sowing, or whatever, to self-appointed men and women in the name of god, knowing fully well that they would use such to enrich themselves and live larger than life, than it is to give same money, in the same name of tithe, offering, seed sowing, etc, to feed the hungry in our midst?

Why is it sooooo easy to say that one loves and god and loves Jesus, and yet the idea of giving 10% of one's income to feed or assist all shades of needy people in our communities invokes so much ire among the followers of Jesus?
They are quick to tell you that it is the government's duty to cater for the citizens.

For those who pay tithe, do you genuinely believe you are sacrificing something worthy to god, or are you knowingly and subconsciously paying a sin tax or a Bad-conscience tax?

To Christians, kindly offer your reasons in giving 10% of your income to your church rather using that 10% to help other childrenn of god,both relatives and strangers, who need it most?

Here's what the bible says about tithes...if you are interested.

22“You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.

23Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe.

25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen.

26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household.

27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

28“At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town.

29Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29

When you don't pay your tithen the Kingdom of God suffers. You can give to the poor but that should not interfer with your tithe. Its God's money! Its your lack of knowledge of the scriptures that makes u reason like a natural man.

Why do we pay tax to government? Why not use the money and help the unemployed. You also have a misconception that pastors use it to live extravagantly, though I don't deny that some may abuse it, but leave their judgment to God. Don't think its tithe that buys private jets. But even if its from the tithe, it means the people are getting so blessed that ten percent of their money can buy a jet. Why not join them to try it

cr8v: When you don't pay your tithen the Kingdom of God suffers. You can give to the poor but that should not interfer with your tithe. Its God's money! Its your lack of knowledge of the scriptures that makes u reason like a natural man.

Why do we pay tax to government? Why not use the money and help the unemployed. You also have a misconception that pastors use it to live extravagantly, though I don't deny that some may abuse it, but leave their judgment to God. Don't think its tithe that buys private jets. But even if its from the tithe, it means the people are getting so blessed that ten percent of their money can buy a jet. Why not join them to try it

Your god needs money?. . . . Interesting. . .

mazaje:

Your god needs money?. . . . Interesting. . .

Sorry I can't continue this discussionn I thought I was discussing with a mature person. Nairaland shd better start displaying peoples age close to their names so we know who to avoid. Somebody on Nairaland doesn't understand what it means to say that God is in need of resources both human and material to further His purpose on earth. Not that he lacks anything but looking for who He will release His blessings to and the person will still be mindful to collaborate with His family the church to defeat the enemy

The hospitals, schools and church buildings u see are not built with prayer alone. Billions went into it ⌣̊┈̥-̶̶̯̥͡·̵̭̌✽̤̥̈̊ơ̴̴̴͡k̤̥̈̊·̵̶̭̥̌-̶̯͡┈̥‎⌣!

cr8v:

Sorry I can't continue this discussionn I thought I was discussing with a mature person. Nairaland shd better start displaying peoples age close to their names so we know who to avoid. Somebody on Nairaland doesn't understand what it means to say that God is in need of resources both human and material to further His purpose on earth. Not that he lacks anything but looking for who He will release His blessings to and the person will still be mindful to collaborate with His family the church to defeat the enemy

What exactly are you saying here?. . .Your god is in need of resources, eh?. . .I thought you guys claim your god is self sufficient?. . .So god need resources to further his purpose on earth?. . .your god is looking for resources to defeat his enemies?. . Interesting. . .

cr8v:

Sorry I can't continue this discussionn I thought I was discussing with a mature person. Nairaland shd better start displaying peoples age close to their names so we know who to avoid. Somebody on Nairaland doesn't understand what it means to say that God is in need of resources both human and material to further His purpose on earth. Not that he lacks anything but looking for who He will release His blessings to and the person will still be mindful to collaborate with His family the church to defeat the enemy

The hospitals, schools and church buildings u see are not built with prayer alone. Billions went into it ⌣̊┈̥-̶̶̯̥͡·̵̭̌✽̤̥̈̊ơ̴̴̴͡k̤̥̈̊·̵̶̭̥̌-̶̯͡┈̥‎⌣!

That's some good programming imbedded in you by your jewish masters. If only you could see through the facade and decipher what you posted right here.

Give your tithes to the needy .... Dont be gullible, foolish or moro/nic

Mr_Anony:
Here's what the bible says about tithes...if you are interested.

22“You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.

23Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God.

24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe.

25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen.

26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household.

27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you.

28“At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town.

29Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work.

Deuteronomy 14:22-29

Its a breath of fresh air to hear you use the bible to make your point.

Now we know that you spoke based on authority of the scriptures, not your own rationalisations.

Good.

Now my question: does God need this tithe such that if humans dont pay tithe, the almighty God's work will be hindered?

To rephrase the question: is it God or man than needs this tithe money?

Sarcasm is not intended here but sound christian explanation that clarify things for both christian and non-christians.

cyrexx:

Its a breath of fresh air to hear you use the bible to make your point.

Now we know that you spoke based on authority of the scriptures, not your own rationalisations.

Good.

Now my question: does God need this tithe such that if humans dont pay tithe, the almighty God's work will be hindered?

To rephrase the question: is it God or man than needs this tithe money?

Sarcasm is not intended here but sound christian explanation that clarify things for both christian and non-christians.

Read the verses again especially verse 29 and then you'll see exactly what the tithe is for.

Compare it to Mathew 25:35-40 especially verse 40

35 For I was hungry, and you fed me. I was thirsty, and you gave me a drink. I was a stranger, and you invited me into your home.
36 I was naked, and you gave me clothing. I was sick, and you cared for me. I was in prison, and you visited me.’

37 “Then these righteous ones will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry and feed you? Or thirsty and give you something to drink?

38 Or a stranger and show you hospitality? Or naked and give you clothing?

39 When did we ever see you sick or in prison and visit you?’

40 “And the King will say, ‘I tell you the truth, when you did it to one of the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were doing it to me!

God does not need anything.

^^

Good.

If i get you right, it is humans, not God who needs the money. But by giving to man (i.e. priests, levites, pastors) you are indirectly giving to God.

Is that what you mean, or did i misunderstood you?

cyrexx: ^^

Good.

If i get you right, it is humans, not God who needs the money. But by giving to man (i.e. priests, levites, pastors, widows orphans, homeless e.t.c) you are indirectly giving to God.

Is that what you mean, or did i misunderstood you?

My additions in red is more like it.

cr8v: When you don't pay your tithen the Kingdom of God suffers. You can give to the poor but that should not interfer with your tithe. Its God's money! Its your lack of knowledge of the scriptures that makes u reason like a natural man.

Why do we pay tax to government? Why not use the money and help the unemployed. You also have a misconception that pastors use it to live extravagantly, though I don't deny that some may abuse it, but leave their judgment to God. Don't think its tithe that buys private jets. But even if its from the tithe, it means the people are getting so blessed that ten percent of their money can buy a jet. Why not join them to try it

When I dont pay my my tithe, the kingdom of god suffers?
So tell him to get a J.O.B.
And how did god manage for billions of years before humans came along?
Knucklehead, we pay taxes to the government to provide social services for the welfare of the people. Whe we pay taxes, we know who we are paying to. the government, has never ever claimed to be self created, self-sufficient and omnipotent.
We clearly see what the government does with our taxes, and we know who to hold accountable for the taxes we pay.

Pls use this opportunity to tell us what exactly pastors do with tithe money. Do you know How much money your pastor collects in tithe every month, and most importantly, has he ever fully accounted for every penny?.
And why should we leave it to god judge your pastor if he embezzles church funds for his personal use? Why not entirely abolish our entire criminal justice system and then leave judgements for all crimes to god?
Mo.ro.n

cyrexx: ^^

Good.

If i get you right, it is humans, not God who needs the money. But by giving to man (i.e. priests, levites, pastors) you are indirectly giving to God.

Is that what you mean, or did i misunderstood you?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Anony is trying to make the point that any use of tithe money for the welfare of any or those in need is what the scriptures are emphasizing.
Am I right, Anony?

plaetton:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Anony is trying to make the point that any use of tithe money for the welfare of any or those in need is what the scriptures are emphasizing.
Am I right, Anony?

Yes I believe you have gotten what I am talking about. My point is simple the original old testament tithe was for those who are in need. In the new testament, we are not required to give a percentage of our income by the law but the care of the needy is emphasized still.

Mr_Anony:
Yes I believe you have gotten what I am talking about. My point is simple the original old testament tithe was for those who are in need. In the new testament, we are not required to give a percentage of our income by the law but the care of the needy is emphasized still.

Thank you very much Mr. Anony.
You have renewed my faith in you.lol

You will agree with me that the use of tithing as an inexhaustible source of unaccountable and filthy lucre is the main reason we have more than 10,000 churches in our major cities in Nigeria.
Every selfish, lazy, fraudulent and psychotic pickpocket is either a pastor, mog, bishop, overseer, or, is aspiring to be one. It sure beats armed robbery,yahoo yahoo and drug trafficking.

plaetton:

Thank you very much Mr. Anony.
You have renewed my faith in you.lol

You will agree with me that the use of tithing as an inexhaustible source of unaccountable and filthy lucre is the main reason we have more than 10,000 churches in our major cities in Nigeria.
Every selfish, lazy, fraudulent and psychotic pickpocket is either a pastor, mog, bishop, overseer, or, is aspiring to be one. It sure beats armed robbery,yahoo yahoo and drug trafficking.

Lol, what those folks are practicing is not Christianity, it is evil. Unfortunately, it is legal.

plaetton:

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Anony is trying to make the point that any use of tithe money for the welfare of any or those in need is what the scriptures are emphasizing.
Am I right, Anony?

if that is the case, why not just give to the needy (widows, orphans and homeless) because you want to help the needy and not make yourself believe that you are giving to an Almighty All-sufficient deity who will bless you for giving to your pastors and the needy?

They way christians talk about giving nowadays, you will think its a special investestment scheme with the Almighty where you get hundredfold returns on your money invested. But this is not the case in reality. Many believers are dissapointed with these failed promises but they dare not voice out their dissapointment, else they sin against God.

My own confusion with this situation is that many tithers and sacrificial givers i know are still poor while their pastors who collected their money are the ones who "prospered". I have several instances from the church i used to attend to attest to my statement above.

Anony, what do you have to say about these and about expecting returns from giving "to the Lord".

cyrexx:

if that is the case, why not just give to the needy (widows, orphans and homeless) because you want to help the needy and not make yourself believe that you are giving to an Almighty All-sufficient deity who will bless you for giving to your pastors and the needy?

They way christians talk about giving nowadays, you will think its a special investestment scheme with the Almighty where you get hundredfold returns on your money invested. But this is not the case in reality. Many believers are dissapointed with these failed promises but they dare not voice out their dissapointment, else they sin against God.

My own confusion with this situation is that many tithers and sacrificial givers i know are still poor while their pastors who collected their money are the ones who "prospered". I have several instances from the church i used to attend to attest to my statement above.

Anony, what do you have to say about these and about expecting returns from giving "to the Lord".

Most actually give because they expect double returns that never comes. . . .

cyrexx:

if that is the case, why not just give to the needy (widows, orphans and homeless) because you want to help the needy and not make yourself believe that you are giving to an Almighty All-sufficient deity who will bless you for giving to your pastors and the needy?

They way christians talk about giving nowadays, you will think its a special investestment scheme with the Almighty where you get hundredfold returns on your money invested. But this is not the case in reality. Many believers are dissapointed with these failed promises but they dare not voice out their dissapointment, else they sin against God.

My own confusion with this situation is that many tithers and sacrificial givers i know are still poor while their pastors who collected their money are the ones who "prospered". I have several instances from the church i used to attend to attest to my statement above.

Anony, what do you have to say about these and about expecting returns from giving "to the Lord".

Giving God expecting material returns is not scriptural. Besides it shows a selfish heart and not a heart of love. God is not a genie, neither is He an investment banker.

Mr_Anony:
Giving God expecting material returns is not scriptural. Besides it shows a selfish heart and not a heart of love. God is not a genie, neither is He an investment banker.

Thanks for your clarification.

I guess a godless non-believing person like me can still give "to God" by helping the needy and exposing the fraud of some pastors out of humanitarian sense of duty without expecting any reward from any Almighty All-sufficient daddy up there.

cyrexx:

Thanks for your clarification.

I guess a godless non-believing person like me can still give "to God" by helping the needy and exposing the fraud of some pastors out of humanitarian sense of duty without expecting any reward from any Almighty All-sufficient daddy up there.

Lol, I was wondering how long before you took off your cloak of "sincerity" and came out with your poorly veiled mockery.

Mr_Anony:
Lol, I was wondering how long before you took off your cloak of "sincerity" and came out with your poorly veiled mockery.

No, i'm really sincere and i want to hear your views about this.

But let me keep my godless mouth quiet for now, else you mistake my sincere statements for mockery and blasphemy.

Cheers.

cr8v:

Sorry I can't continue this discussionn I thought I was discussing with a mature person. Nairaland shd better start displaying peoples age close to their names so we know who to avoid. Somebody on Nairaland doesn't understand what it means to say that God is in need of resources both human and material to further His purpose on earth. Not that he lacks anything but looking for who He will release His blessings to and the person will still be mindful to collaborate with His family the church to defeat the enemy

The hospitals, schools and church buildings u see are not built with prayer alone. Billions went into it ⌣̊┈̥-̶̶̯̥͡·̵̭̌✽̤̥̈̊ơ̴̴̴͡k̤̥̈̊·̵̶̭̥̌-̶̯͡┈̥‎⌣!

Make ur point and allow others to make theirs. U r not the wisest person on earth.

Mr_Anony:
Lol, I was wondering how long before you took off your cloak of "sincerity" and came out with your poorly veiled mockery.

You redeemed yourself here. You were for once honest about he bible


I was so ready to pounce on you if you had supported mainstream tithing

Mr_Anony:
Giving God expecting material returns is not scriptural. Besides it shows a selfish heart and not a heart of love. God is not a genie, neither is He an investment banker.

Anony is here again with his opinions that are not supported by the bible. . .Giving and expecting material things is actually scriptural. . .

Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. Deuteronomy 15:10

Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return to you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye say, Wherein shall we return?
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

Malachi 3:7-11

Anybody that is foolish enough to go to church, is foolish enough to give tithes.

mazaje:

Anony is here again with his opinions that are not supported by the bible. . .Giving and expecting material things is actually scriptural. . .

Give generously to him and do so without a grudging heart; then because of this the LORD your God will bless you in all your work and in everything you put your hand to. Deuteronomy 15:10

Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return to you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye say, Wherein shall we return?
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.

Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

Malachi 3:7-11

My bad, perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough.....No doubt God will bless us for our good works but then the point I was making which I am quite sure that cyrexx got was that the motive where one treats God as a money doubler i.e. giving to God not with a cheerful heart but with a heart seeking selfish gain. That is against what the scripture stands for. God is under no obligation to double anyone's money.

Logicboy03:


You redeemed yourself here. You were for once honest about he bible


I was so ready to pounce on you if you had supported mainstream tithing

lol, you don't even know what tithing actually is to start with.

Mr_Anony:
lol, you don't even know what tithing actually is to start with.

As a catholic, tithing was kinda foreign to me. But I read the bible on tithing after seeing how these new era MOGs use tithing anyhow.



However, you cant claim that I do not know about tithing when I have read the bible and you have no evidence to back up your caim