, ok l get it! but l need you to understand that l will do my possible best; but within the confines of Christianity, l'm born again and kind of in a binding agreement with christ. I believe if l turn an Eckist, l'm guilty of unfaithfulness. You guys have almost all l'm looking for admittedly; but l've got to trust, obey and be faithful! Thanks.

benodic:

i wonder where you are getting your information from. i have never had a good laugh for quite some time.

Sri Harold Klemp is the 973rd Living Eck Master in an unbroken line of Eck Masters. what you have to know is that the teachings of Eck have been in every age and every civilization but mostly underground and behind the scenes according to the consciousness of the times.
the teachings was mostly given to ready souls in the inner directly because of persecution as Man was not ready for Truth and will readily kill any one who is teaching any thing contrary to what He expectsor believes.

In 1965, the consciousness of Man took a big leap and it was agreed among the spiritual hierarchy to externalize the teachings of Eck as a lot of Souls are now ready for them. Paul Twitchell the 971st Living Eck Master was chosen to bring the teachings to the public. and so started the Eckankar Movement.

Hiya, benodic. How've you been?

I listen seriously to what you say about your experiences. Forgive me if I don't extend the same to things you didn't witness and so can't offer as fact. I respect that you may believe as you choose, however. Paul Twitchell, when he founded Eckanker, made quite a few claims. The thing about claims is, no one lives in a vacuum. There's an entire world of observers around us. Twitchell's claims were investigated and some found to be untrue. Perhaps he said some things to give what was, at the time, a new religious movement, some glamour and mystery. But it's unnecessary, don't you think?

Harold Klemp, current Eck master, admitted Twitchell made some false claims but he says it has nothing to do Eckanker itself, as the religion is distinct from any one individual.  That makes sense. Klemp's moderation and unflinching honesty earned my respect. You've quite a leader in him.

I hope you're secure enough in your beliefs to not overreact at any slight negative and take it as some sort of 'attack.' It's not

Can I ask you to elaborate more on the differences between astral travel and soul travel? I thought they were the same. Why is astral travel 'dangerous'?

benodic:

@ chieveboy


my dear you do not have to leave christianity and become an Eckist for you to know and experience truth.

truth finds you at whatever level you are. all you need is an open and loving heart. the HU song i gave you to try does not belong to any religion and does not make you a member of Eckankar either. it is God's gift to all souls to use in finding their way back to their creator.

you can also try singing other holy names like JESUS, GOD, CHRIST etc. as a love song. while singing it close your eyes and fill your heart with love. look into the space between your two eyebrows and watch out for the light of God and listen for the still small voice or other sounds of God that can come unexpectedly to give you spiritual upliftment. your experience then becomes your authority.

you can then become the knower and not just the believer.

Alright, Thanks allot! its ok by me. l'll use the singing for a start, hopefully l'll get mastery of soul travel-and become a knower, you see l feel worthless anytime l think of something l feel is fundamental to me; about life, but helpless regarding their meaning, significance and reason. I've rummaged the net; and tossed about by false astrologers-am Sagittarius you know.
Am an ambitious person! but I'm constantly haunted by a streak of retrogression which l find unusual and outrightly unfair! l dislike ignorance to the core! l have an open mind-its why l believe 'benodic the Eckist'-but restricted by an innate obligation to faithfulness and honesty: some one told me in a dream that 'there's a gate l need to pass through" and that" l need confidence", lately it's being difficult 'conjuring' love in my heart--but am working on it, using unsolicited smiles-- so its going to be one heck of a ride l guess!, L-O-V-E Undecided, anyway just be around for people like me man, the truth is not far-fetched! Cool

I remember way back when i was searching for some answers then i came in contact within Eck. Though i didnt really fraternize but i sang the HU song just once, one night. The vibrations that night was so negative, though i wanted to see your Eck master, but how i left that nightmare was something else

Secondly, who is Parsifal, who is Queen Elizabeth, queen of Heaven? Who is Jesus Christ to Abd rushin, is he the one coming again or Parsifal?

Thirdly, my mentor who had advanced in degrees once told me he had met with Harold klemp in the Celestial Heights and Harold showed some signs of weakness and over burden. Have you met him in your numerous astrals?

@benodic
I have been following this thread quitely for a while now and i must commend that your conduct and your teachings are really quite inspiring. Infact i must admit you have gotten me very curious and wishing to learn more about eckankar however i am very skeptical of delving into the spiritual or inner planes. Cos i am not really sure as humans it is God's will for us or if it is necessary. Also i know that dabbling into such can be very dangerous. Aside that i draw my inspiration strictly from the teachings of christ[not the entire bible] and all these soul travel stuff are alien to christ's teachings although i must admit that a lot of of eck teachings especially in the area of love conforms to the teaching of christ. I would want to know more but i am not ready to try any spiritual exercise or sing the "HU" song as it does not conform to my limited understanding of the what God expects of us.

@benodic
Thanx, the example of Paul is really a eye opener. I have always known that the early church fathers [catholic church in particular] hid away a lot of things from mainstream christianity. I also know a number of books considered scriptural by the early church were deliberately omitted from the bible for various reasons amongst which were that some books were considered exclusive to those with higher spiritual calling. Anyway I would still keep an open mind but I am very skeptical about dabbling into the spiritual realm even though I strive to know God better.

@benodic
I just listened to the HU song on youtube and it's just one long huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu, do you guys take breaks to breath at all when singing it? It seems like a song that would like one out of breath.

Although Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965, Eckists claim that the basis for the Eckankar teachings date back to the beginning of human life.

According to Doug Marman, Twitchell sourced many modern and ancient religious teachings in his creation of the Eckankar Teaching, but the main sources appear to be Sufism and a little-known teaching in India called "The Parent Faith". (This is where other light and sound teachings, such as Sant Mat and Surat Shabd Yoga also derived their roots.)

Eckankar headquarters were originally in Las Vegas, Nevada. Under the leadership of Darwin Gross, the organization was moved to Menlo Park, California in 1975. In 1986, Harold Klemp moved the base of operations to Minnesota, where it remains today.

Eckankar was founded as a business; however, the Panel of Administrators urged Twitchell to conform to usual standards, and the teaching was later registered as a non-profit organization. Eighteen years later, in 1983, Harold Klemp changed it to a recognized religious institution. Currently, Eckankar is accepted as a religion by the U.S. Army,[14] the Boy Scouts of America, and many other public institutions.

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Although Twitchell founded Eckankar in 1965, Eckists claim that the basis for the Eckankar teachings date back to the beginning of human life.

According to Doug Marman, Twitchell sourced many modern and ancient religious teachings in his creation of the Eckankar Teaching, but the main sources appear to be Sufism and a little-known teaching in India called "The Parent Faith". (This is where other light and sound teachings, such as Sant Mat and Surat Shabd Yoga also derived their roots.)

Eckankar headquarters were originally in Las Vegas, Nevada. Under the leadership of Darwin Gross, the organization was moved to Menlo Park, California in 1975. In 1986, Harold Klemp moved the base of operations to Minnesota, where it remains today.

Eckankar was founded as a business; however, the Panel of Administrators urged Twitchell to conform to usual standards, and the teaching was later registered as a non-profit organization. Eighteen years later, in 1983, Harold Klemp changed it to a recognized religious institution. Currently, Eckankar is accepted as a religion by the U.S. Army,[14] the Boy Scouts of America, and many other public institutions.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eckankar

@benodic
I just did some research on eckankar on the internet and came up with the above highlighted. How do you react to that as we all know very well that religion and business don't mix.

Hi benodic,thanks for the reply & I must say your thread is interesting.from your reply to kunle oshod you talked about a light,well I have 2 experiences with something like a light(don't really know).the 1st happened while praying alone in my house,can't really explain but I know I saw a light,opened my eyes then it was gone.the 2nd was in church,during praise & worship songs.when I closed my eyes I saw a light shaped like a circle(or something)& I think it was moving.don't know how long I stirred at the light but later it was like my head wanted to move(don't know may b into the light)or something wanted to leave my body.before water pass garri I opened my eyes,I have not thought about it until now & I know am not making sense.But if this is the light do you mean I can ask questions.

To be honest am not a fan of soul travel,Jesus said nothing about it but like you said its not about right or wrong but love & charity.

@benodic
there are still quite a number of questions i would like to ask you but i guess i would take my time. for now i would like to ask ; what is the perfect will of God for us?

and also what is eckankars attitude towards the christian concept of sin? or are there issues considered as sin in eckankar?

good evening Benodic,
how are you ? how is everything ?
I hope you don't forget me ?!

Long time i don't come back in your topic, i take some time to try out, all the things we have talk about here.
I sang the secrets words two times in a day, for a small period, the first thing is that, after that, i have a great inner peace.

The second thing is that the answers to the questions come to me, but not in meditation ! For example, when i have finished, i can take a book i was reading before, and the answer is in a chapter or a paragraph of the book ! Why the answer don't come to me directly through meditation ?

The third thing is that my dreams became more confused. I have so many dreams in a night that in the morning i can't remember nothing, or some few details. Why is it so ?

In one of your post here, you were telling about God light between the two eyebrows, how can i distinguish God light from one of my chakra's vision ?

Since three or four years ago, when i do breathing exercise or when i speak in tongue, i use to see a blue light circle between my two eyebrows, but since one year, that light is red. But it soon vanished. Sometimes after the light come an image, an object image, or many images. Is it my imagination ? Or what that means ?

I hope you'll have time to give an answer to all these questions,

Thanks again benodic.why do you think my soul wants to travel when  I have not done it before & don't know anything about it.why is it necessary to soul travel.