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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 3:39am On May 31, 2023
Maximus692:
Ọmọ!
Where is Rozz?

lost false jw mad max, a liar, calls on another liar to come and help you:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Maximus692:
Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley

so called Jehovah's witnesses praise their fellow false jw's,

Christians praise God:

Rom 15:11  And again, "PRAISE THE LORD ALL YOU GENTILES, AND LET ALL THE PEOPLES PRAISE HIM."

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 3:48am On May 31, 2023
lost false jw maxindhouse account has again been banned
and once again lawless mad max posts with other account while banned, which is against forum rules:

Mat_7:23  "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'

1Jn_3:4  Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Aemmyjah(m): 1:25pm On Jun 03, 2023
Janosky:


What a shameless advertisement for polytheism!

Brocab the devotee of two "distinct deities & a ghost." grin grin grin grin

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through God his Father.
Brocab, did you come through your father?

These Trinitarians are very desperate to CHANGE the holy scriptures, but they CAN'T TWIST Romans 11:35-36.


@ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14, jessus is the beginning of creation by God.

Mark 13:19 the expression, "the beginning of creation by God", CAN'T be TWISTED.
The same expression stands solidly in Revelation 3:14.

Trinitarians shamelessly coined "God the son" (not in the Bible) for their monumental fraud.
Trinity is a scam.

Brocab came through his father cos he is actually is father. If you don gerrit, forget abarrit grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:37pm On Jun 04, 2023
I am not expecting the Jehovah witnesses to understand how simple life is-where life begins, and how it began-but it is quiet simple to have some understanding, about the facts how all life begins..
Now we all come from a seed before we were born, and every living thing God created began with a seed-just like the bible say's Jesus is the seed which He planted before we became a living being.
If I was to pick an apple of a tree, I would find that apple can't grow without the tree supporting it, and the tree wouldn't be able to grow without it's roots supporting it, and the roots wouldn't be able to grow without the seed that was planted.
So now we have only "ONE TREE" that has OTHER members supporting it, first the root's then we have the trunk which grows into a tree, then the branches then the leaves, then it buds, then it flowers then it becomes the apple.
Many members that supports One apple tree, working together, but it's still only One tree.
A apple has three separate parts that makes it one apple, the skin, the fruit inside the skin, and the core, three separate members working together making it One apple.
And don't forget about the seeds found in the core, that produces more apple trees..
So if you can' understand nature: and how many members it needs to make up One apple, then just maybe you could understand the God-head, The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit working together as One.
Aemmyjah:


Brocab came through his father cos he is actually is father. If you don gerrit, forget abarrit grin
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 2:16am On Jun 05, 2023
We don't listen to you-nor half of the Jehovah witnesses listen to you either-so really you are a waste of space, everything you put up on line, you can't explain the scriptures properly, you have no understanding what the Word of God is saying, none of what you write on page makes any sense.
Janosky:


What a shameless advertisement for polytheism!

Brocab the devotee of two "distinct deities & a ghost." grin grin grin grin

Romans 11:35-36, Jesus Christ came through God his Father.
Brocab, did you come through your father?

These Trinitarians are very desperate to CHANGE the holy scriptures, but they CAN'T TWIST Romans 11:35-36.


@ Mark 13:19 & Revelation 3:14, jessus is the beginning of creation by God.

Mark 13:19 the expression, "the beginning of creation by God", CAN'T be TWISTED.
The same expression stands solidly in Revelation 3:14.

Trinitarians shamelessly coined "God the son" (not in the Bible) for their monumental fraud.
Trinity is a scam.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Aemmyjah(m): 7:51am On Jun 05, 2023
brocab:
I am not expecting the Jehovah witnesses to understand how simple life is-where life begins, and how it began-but it is quiet simple to have some understanding, about the facts how all life begins..
Now we all come from a seed before we were born, and every living thing God created began with a seed-just like the bible say's Jesus is the seed which He planted before we became a living being.
If I was to pick an apple of a tree, I would find that apple can't grow without the tree supporting it, and the tree wouldn't be able to grow without it's roots supporting it, and the roots wouldn't be able to grow without the seed that was planted.
So now we have only "ONE TREE" that has OTHER members supporting it, first the root's then we have the trunk which grows into a tree, then the branches then the leaves, then it buds, then it flowers then it becomes the apple.
Many members that supports One apple tree, working together, but it's still only One tree.
A apple has three separate parts that makes it one apple, the skin, the fruit inside the skin, and the core, three separate members working together making it One apple.
And don't forget about the seeds found in the core, that produces more apple trees..
So if you can' understand nature: and how many members it needs to make up One apple, then just maybe you could understand the God-head, The Father the Son and the Holy Spirit working together as One.

Your family too are like apple with seed that will still produce
De play

Jesus said his father is greater than himself

Imagine someone in the 21st century using apple to describe the relationship between father and son
Na wa o

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 10:23pm On Jun 05, 2023
I didn't think you would understand something that is so simple to acknowledge-you obviously don't understand the Word of God, I realize the Jehovah witnesses don't have the right skills to learn such simple knowledge-I was only trying to help you with some type of understanding, but obviously your understanding of the Word of God is nil. .
I suppose you will never understand this either,.it takes two separate persons, a male and a female to plant a seed 'to have a child.
{Genesis 1:28} God had just finished all His creation, ending with His masterpieces, the very first man and woman, when He told them to be fruitful and multiply
So I suppose you not knowing how the seed works, than maybe you were the only child that was born under a rock, "a rock child where no seed is found.
Aemmyjah:


Your family too are like apple with seed that will still produce
De play

Jesus said his father is greater than himself

Imagine someone in the 21st century using apple to describe the relationship between father and son
Na wa o

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 1:56am On Jun 06, 2023
This is why I like writing on this page, when I want to find idiots I seek after Jehovah witnesses, it doesn't matter how many verses we try to explain, they still don't see the light, they don't even realize their own bodies are made up with different organs that functions together to make up just one living being.
So their metal state of minds doesn't functions enough for them to work out how God created all that lives.
{Matthew 13:37} And He said, “The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
{Luke 8:11} “Now the parable is this: the seed is the word of God.
Everything is made up with a seed-once God plants His seed, it begins living, but obviously this is to complicated for the Jehovah witnesses to understand how simple this is.
{Mark 12:27} He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. You are therefore greatly mistaken.”
So JW you are greatly mistaken, you don't have the knowledge to understand the Word of God.
{John 8:44} The Watchtower dances with the Devil-an organisation they are lairs from the beginning, refusing the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit working together as One-Our Lord came as a man to save ..
The Jehovah witnesses came to steal kill and destroy the Word of God.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:27pm On Jun 06, 2023
Maximus692:
Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley
So does this mean the Jehovah witnesses don't have the same God as Max: Max is calling out to his own god to bless the Jehovah witnesses.
How many god's do they have: is their god's recognized something like angels: they believe Michael is Jesus-so obviously it's not surprising, what they believe, fancy having a separate little god for each person?
Moses asked God what name shall I tell the people who sent me, God replied to Moses 'tell My People "I AM who I AM sent you.
{Exodus 3:13-15} "But Moses said to God, 'If I come to the Israelites and say to them "The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?' God said to Moses, 'I AM who I AM.' He said further, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'I AM has sent me to you.' God also said to Moses, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This is my name forever, and this is my title for all generations'"

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 11:17pm On Jun 09, 2023
{Exodus 3:13-15} "But Moses said to God, 'If I come to the Israelites and say to them "The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?' God said to Moses, 'I AM who I AM.' He said further, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'I AM has sent me to you.' God also said to Moses, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This is my name forever, and this is my title for all generations'"
So if the Word tells us, as it's written< God said: to Moses tell the people His Name "I AM, who I AM" then this proves God's Name is not Jehovah-it's I AM.. I suppose Jehovah is just a name the Jehovah witnesses recognize him as their god.
Just like any other religion who see;s God by a name that was given by man, for them to recognize their god through worldly understanding.
The Jehovah witnesses are no different to the Seven day Adventist, no different to the Mormons, the Jehovah witnesses the Seven day Adventist and the Mormons were all connected to the Freemasons, who of course believed Jesus "THE" Son of God and Lucifer "A" son of God are brother angels.
They worship a different Jesus. one that is not recognized in the scriptures.
They preach another gospel; that has nothing to do with the God we serve, they have another spirit, but not the Holy Spirit.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 12:45am On Jun 10, 2023
brocab:
{Exodus 3:13-15} "But Moses said to God, 'If I come to the Israelites and say to them "The God of your ancestors has sent me to you,' and they ask me, 'What is his name?' what shall I say to them?' God said to Moses, 'I AM who I AM.' He said further, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'I AM has sent me to you.' God also said to Moses, 'Thus you shall say to the Israelites, 'The Lord, the God of your ancestors, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you: This is my name forever, and this is my title for all generations'"
So if the Word tells us, as it's written< God said: to Moses tell the people His Name "I AM, who I AM" then this proves God's Name is not Jehovah-it's I AM.. I suppose Jehovah is just a name the Jehovah witnesses recognize him as their god.
Just like any other religion who see;s God by a name that was given by man, for them to recognize their god through worldly understanding.
The Jehovah witnesses are no different to the Seven day Adventist, no different to the Mormons, the Jehovah witnesses the Seven day Adventist and the Mormons were all connected to the Freemasons, who of course believed Jesus "THE" Son of God and Lucifer "A" son of God are brother angels.

Jesus created the angel who later rebelled and became known as satan and the devil

brocab post: They worship a different Jesus. one that is not recognized in the scriptures.
They preach another gospel; that has nothing to do with the God we serve, they have another spirit, but not the Holy Spirit.

false jw's certainly don't have the Holy Spirit, lost false jw mad max said
the Holy Spirit told him that olaadegbu, emusan and myself is the same person

mad max say's the same thing about many diffrent users, he is paranoid as hell
he said: "the Holy Spirit told me", < making the Holy Spirit to be a liar, very evil indeed

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:46pm On Jun 10, 2023
Oh Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 9:10pm On Jun 10, 2023
II could believe Max does hear from a spirit: but not the Holy spirit: it's a proven fact the Watchtower is involved in Witchcraft, they do everything that is a abomination against the God we serve.
{1 kings 22:19-23} So it's not surprising if max is listening to a lying spirit: whom God allowed.
Plus do we really listen to Max: everything that max writes, we only find little truth in all what he has to say.
Max doesn't know the scriptures-nor does his comrades that stand by his side defending him, we will always stand by the Word of God defending it, but unfortunately the enemy will always find ways trying to destroy everything God has installed for us,
If Max knew the truth about God's people, he wouldn't be trying to rip down other believers outside his beloved watchtower organisation.{Mark 9:38} “ Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.
Now isn't this the same story with the Watchtower they forbid everybody outside their organisation.
{Mark 9:39} Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.…
So does the Jehovah witnesses listen to the Word of God-"No they prefer to judge condemn and abuse everybody outside their organisation,.
johnw47:


jesus created the angel who later rebelled and became known as satan and the devil



false jw's certainly don't have the Holy Spirit, lost false jw mad max said
the Holy Spirit told him that olaadegbu, emusan and myself is the same person

mad max say's the same thing about many diffrent users, he is paranoid as hell
he said: "the Holy Spirit told me", < making the Holy Spirit to be a liar, very evil indeed

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:33pm On Jun 10, 2023
brocab:
II could believe Max does hear from a spirit: but not the Holy spirit: it's a proven fact the Watchtower is involved in Witchcraft, they do everything that is a abomination against the God we serve.
{1 kings 22:19-23} So it's not surprising if max is listening to a lying spirit: whom God allowed.
Plus do we really listen to Max: everything that max writes, we only find little truth in all what he has to say.
Max doesn't know the scriptures-nor does his comrades that stand by his side defending him, we will always stand by the Word of God defending it, but unfortunately the enemy will always find ways trying to destroy everything God has installed for us,
If Max knew the truth about God's people, he wouldn't be trying to rip down other believers outside his beloved watchtower organisation.{Mark 9:38} “ Now John answered Him, saying, “Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow us.
Now isn't this the same story with the Watchtower they forbid everybody outside their organisation.
{Mark 9:39} Do not stop him,” Jesus replied. “For no one who performs a miracle in My name can turn around and speak evil of Me.…
So does the Jehovah witnesses listen to the Word of God-"No they prefer to judge condemn and abuse everybody outside their organisation,.

yes, they are puffed up with self righteousness
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:23am On Jun 11, 2023
Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 5:33am On Jun 11, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley

MaxInDHouse:
Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me! smiley

lost false jw mad max

you have no reply to truth so just post the same off topic things over and over again
u so weak, of course:

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:53am On Jun 11, 2023
Misinformed, deluded, arrogant, unquestionably stupid and idiotic churchgoer expecting a reply from a sound Bible scholar!
Keep waiting for reply o! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 6:13am On Jun 11, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Misinformed, deluded, arrogant, unquestionably stupid and idiotic churchgoer expecting a reply from a sound Bible scholar!
Keep waiting for reply o! cheesy

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



lost false jw mad max

talk about: misinformed, deluded, arrogant, unquestionably stupid and idiotic,
you are all of that, making the Holy Spirit to be a liar:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.



and bible scholar you definately are not, except in your puffed up head:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by brocab: 9:05pm On Jun 11, 2023
Max claiming to be a sound Bible scholar!, come on Max, you know nothing about the Bible-I would believe your mentally is as a child who have not got the skills as yet' to even understand the truth about the Holy Scriptures, you have not learnt how to read or write them Max.
Maybe a scholar in the occult .
MaxInDHouse:
Misinformed, deluded, arrogant, unquestionably stupid and idiotic churchgoer expecting a reply from a sound Bible scholar!
Keep waiting for reply o! cheesy
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by tete7000(m): 9:14pm On Jun 11, 2023
When it comes to religious matters we have to use our heads sometimes.Trinity, in Christian doctrine is the unity of the father ,son and holy spirit as three persons in one Godhead. The doctrine of the Trinity is considered to be one of central christian affirmations about God. It is rooted in the fact that God came to meet christians in a threefold figure as (1) There creator,Lord,Father and judge as revealed in the old testament (2)as the lord who incarnated in figure of Jesus Christ who lived among human beings (3)As the holy spirit whom they experienced as the helper or intercessor in the power of new life.But neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.Did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Hebrew scriptures(Deutronomy 6:4).I have started asking my pastors some questions regarding that,but he only warned me to be very careful of JW. lol

Think about a family of three - father, mother and the child. By virtue of marriage, father and mother are two entities but one body; the child born out of the union can be said to be equally of the same stock as the parent. Now think of a situation where the three are perfect beings, whatever one upholds, the others do, to see and hear from the mother or son will be equal to hearing from the father because they will never contradict themselves.
So in marriage you have three distinct personalities with hierarchy but same in substance and dignity, the three are humans.

This analogy can to some extent help you comprehend trinity. When next JW come with argument against trinity, ask them how is it possible in marriage to have two become one.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:37pm On Jun 11, 2023
Why not use this analogy to help those saying it to become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word like Jehovah's Witnesses? James 2:18-26 cheesy

tete7000:


Think about a family of three - father, mother and the child. By virtue of marriage, father and mother are two entities but one body; the child born out of the union can be said to be equally of the same stock as the parent. Now think of a situation where the three are perfect beings, whatever one upholds, the others do, to see and hear from the mother or son will be equal to hearing from the father because they will never contradict themselves.
So in marriage you have three distinct personalities with hierarchy but same in substance and dignity, the three are humans.

This analogy can to some extent help you comprehend trinity. When next JW come with argument against trinity, ask them how is it possible in marriage to have two become one.
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Aemmyjah(m): 10:37pm On Jun 11, 2023
tete7000:


Think about a family of three - father, mother and the child. By virtue of marriage, father and mother are two entities but one body; the child born out of the union can be said to be equally of the same stock as the parent. Now think of a situation where the three are perfect beings, whatever one upholds, the others do, to see and hear from the mother or son will be equal to hearing from the father because they will never contradict themselves.
So in marriage you have three distinct personalities with hierarchy but same in substance and dignity, the three are humans.

This analogy can to some extent help you comprehend trinity. When next JW come with argument against trinity, ask them how is it possible in marriage to have two become one.

Nonsense
Use the scriptures to back up your illustration.
Remember that the Bible also refers to angels as Sons of God
Adam was refereed to as Son of God
Jesus called his disciples as his brothers

So there are millions that make up God's family
Jesus is a spirit just as his father is spirit (Same stock). Jesus is not God himself just as you are not your father neither are you equal to him
Keep Making sense out of nonsense
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by tete7000(m): 11:47pm On Jun 11, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Nonsense
Use the scriptures to back up your illustration.
Remember that the Bible also refers to angels as Sons of God
Adam was refereed to as Son of God
Jesus called his disciples as his brothers

So there are millions that make up God's family
Jesus is a spirit just as his father is spirit (Same stock). Jesus is not God himself just as you are not your father neither are you equal to him
Keep Making sense out of nonsense

Who wrote nonsense? You are a big mumu, mr. Scripture. So your scripture didn't tell you that two shall become one? And Jesus didn't tell you that I have to return to the father so that the advocate can come? Some of you are just arrogantly foolish and reek of stupidity.

Many of you will claim to read the scripture and come back and claim Jesus is not God nonsense. If Jesus is not God, why then did he say before Abraham's was I am(Jn.8:58)? Why didn't he rebuke Thomas when he called him "My Lord and my God(Jn.20:28)"after touching his wounds.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Aemmyjah(m): 5:20am On Jun 12, 2023
tete7000:


Who wrote nonsense? You are a big mumu, mr. Scripture. So your scripture didn't tell you that two shall become one? And Jesus didn't tell you that I have to return to the father so that the advocate can come? Some of you are just arrogantly foolish and reek of stupidity.

Many of you will claim to read the scripture and come back and claim Jesus is not God nonsense. If Jesus is not God, why then did he say before Abraham's was I am(Jn.8:58)? Why didn't he rebuke Thomas when he called him "My Lord and my God(Jn.20:28)"after touching his wounds.

Two shall become one is an expression on unity. My father and i are one but we ate nit the same person or equal. Tinubu and Shettima are one but they are not the same. A man and the wife are one but not the same. Even Jesus Christ prayed that his disciples should become one. He's praying for unity and not they combine into one individual. U be Olodo

If Jesus said he wants to return to the father shows that the father was somewhere and he was going to meet. Nowhere did Jesus claim to be the father. You are arrogantly ignorant

Thomas was shocked. Many see his words as an exclamation but even if he meant it, he is not still wrong as Jesus is lord (having authority) and proohecied as mighty God but the Father alone is the almighty God. Besides, the Jews all worshipped the same God as father and you are funny to imagine that Jesus could habe scold him cos he never described himself as God but son of God... Why nkt read the same John 20:17 and 20. Jesus said that their father abs God waa his father and God too. Have yku not heard people exclaim the same thing today like 'Oh my God'


As for the incidence with Abraham, you are quoting one verse instead of looking at the entire context which is very poor of you as a Christian. Jesus waa not attributing anything to God about him but his age, his existence before the patriarch Abraham. In other words, he answered them 'Before Abraham was even born, I was still in existence. (Though as a spirit in heaven)

Satan acknowledged him as Son of God
Demons acknowledged him as son of God
His disciples acknowledged him as son of God
Angel Gabriel revealed to Mary that her unborn child was the Son of God
His opposers accused him of blasphemy for calling himself the son of God

You wey de read back of Bible de yan wetin u no sabi
Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:29am On Jun 12, 2023
tete7000:

Scripture tell you that two shall become one!
Jesus also said that his father, himself and millions of his disciples shall become ONE! John 17:22
That give the illustration a wider meaning.

tete7000:

And Jesus didn't tell you that I have to return to the father so that the advocate can come?
The advocate is God's active force not a person Jesus referred to it as advocate because through its works honest hearted and sincere Jews can see that God is no longer interested in Judaism rather Christianity is the way! Act 2:1-37
tete7000:

If Jesus is not God, why then did he say before Abraham's was I am(Jn.8:58)?
Jesus WAS God {John 1:1} just as Moses WAS God {Exodus 7:1} both of them served as God at a point in time but they both give all glory and honour to the One who sent them, that's why the scriptures say God will send another prophet to Israel like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} because both of them served as prophets and at the same time Gods.
The difference here is that Jesus lived in heaven with other spirit sons of God so he existed before Adam! Proverbs 8:22-31
tete7000:

Why didn't he rebuke Thomas when he called him "My Lord and my God(Jn.20:28)"after touching his wounds.
Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus his Lord and God rather he said that in amazement just as people often does whenever they see what amazed them. For instance when someone see what amazed him he may shout "oh my God" that doesn't mean he is referring to what he saw as God.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by tete7000(m): 7:22am On Jun 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Jesus also said that his father, himself and millions of his disciples shall become ONE! John 17:22
That give the illustration a wider meaning.


The advocate is God's active force not a person Jesus referred to it as advocate because through its works honest hearted and sincere Jews can see that God is no longer interested in Judaism rather Christianity is the way! Act 2:1-37

Jesus WAS God {John 1:1} just as Moses WAS God {Exodus 7:1} both of them served as God at a point in time but they both give all glory and honour to the One who sent them, that's why the scriptures say God will send another prophet to Israel like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} apostle Peter confirmed that Jesus is the prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} because both of them served as prophets and at the same time Gods.
The difference here is that Jesus lived in heaven with other spirit sons of God so he existed before Adam! Proverbs 8:22-31

Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus his Lord and God rather he said that in amazement just as people often does whenever they see what amazed them. For instance when someone see what amazed him he may shout "oh my God" that doesn't mean he is referring to what he saw as God.

You are just funny. Jesus used the word " I AM" and the Jews wanted to stone him for blasphemy for equating himself with God. I AM was the name God gave to Moses on Mt, Horeb when God called him to go and save the Israelites and he asked what name he should deliver the God's message to Israelites: Jesus came, used the same phrase to refer to himself, they picked to wanted to pebble him but he escaped. They wanted to dish to him punishment reserve in the old testament for those who blaspheme. I often wonder which scripture you people read, it definitely can't be the same one every sane one of us read.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Ex.3:14

You guys can keep denying the truth, it's a free world when we leave here you will come face to face with all the truths you have refused to believe.

Thomas made an error in amazement and Jesus, the truth, the way and life let that error go through without correcting it, even when he knew the damage it could caused later? When he knew the misinterpretation it can be given needing you to help you correct it? You guys can sound very ridiculous but I understand, you are not allowed to think anything through. You regurgitate everything you are told and you aren't allow to use your brain to philosophise and reason.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MightySparrow: 7:30am On Jun 12, 2023
tete7000:


You are just funny. Jesus used the word " I AM" and the Jews wanted to stone him for blasphemy for equating himself with God. I AM was the name God gave to Moses on Mt, Horeb when God called him to go and save the Israelites and he asked what name he should deliver the God's message to Israelites:
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Ex.3:14

You guys can keep denying the truth, it's a free world when we leave here you will come face to face with all the truths you have refused to believe.

Thomas made an error in amazement and Jesus, the truth, the way and life let that error go through without correcting it, even when he knew the damage it could caused later? When he knew the misinterpretation it can be given needing you to help you correct it? You guys can sound very ridiculous but I understand, you are not allowed to think anything through. You regurgitate everything you are told and you aren't allow to use your brain to philosophise and reason.





Dó you mean Jehovah's False witnesses? The name Jehovah witness self is an error. You are a witness to what you know, not what you don't. These people go about the letter not the spirit. In the whole Bible: God is a spirit, a personality, Satan is a spirit, a being, angels are spirits, beings, only Holy Spirit of JWs is a force.

My brother, leave them to their delusion.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by tete7000(m): 7:39am On Jun 12, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Two shall become one is an expression on unity. My father and i are one but we ate nit the same person or equal. Tinubu and Shettima are one but they are not the same. A man and the wife are one but not the same. Even Jesus Christ prayed that his disciples should become one. He's praying for unity and not they combine into one individual. U be Olodo

If Jesus said he wants to return to the father shows that the father was somewhere and he was going to meet. Nowhere did Jesus claim to be the father. You are arrogantly ignorant

Thomas was shocked. Many see his words as an exclamation but even if he meant it, he is not still wrong as Jesus is lord (having authority) and proohecied as mighty God but the Father alone is the almighty God. Besides, the Jews all worshipped the same God as father and you are funny to imagine that Jesus could habe scold him cos he never described himself as God but son of God... Why nkt read the same John 20:17 and 20. Jesus said that their father abs God waa his father and God too. Have yku not heard people exclaim the same thing today like 'Oh my God'


As for the incidence with Abraham, you are quoting one verse instead of looking at the entire context which is very poor of you as a Christian. Jesus waa not attributing anything to God about him but his age, his existence before the patriarch Abraham. In other words, he answered them 'Before Abraham was even born, I was still in existence. (Though as a spirit in heaven)

Satan acknowledged him as Son of God
Demons acknowledged him as son of God
His disciples acknowledged him as son of God
Angel Gabriel revealed to Mary that her unborn child was the Son of God
His opposers accused him of blasphemy for calling himself the son of God

You wey de read back of Bible de yan wetin u no sabi

You said I didn't made reference to the scripture, I pointed out scripture to you in my write-up and suddenly you started teaching me scripture. Isn't that ludicrous that you who couldn't recognise scriptures in what I wrote until I pointed them out to you now turn around to correct what you couldn't see until you have it pointed to you? The scripture you claim to have sound knowledge of was even not evident to you without someone pointing it to you and now you want to teach me how the statement ' What God has joined together let no man put asunder' implies just unity. I am aware that even your sect holds marriage in reference more than you make it sound to disguise your ignorance and stupidity. You are so blank and daft.

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:01am On Jun 12, 2023
tete7000:

You are just funny. Jesus used the word " I AM" and the Jews wanted to stone him for blasphemy for equating himself with God. I AM was the name God gave to Moses on Mt, Horeb when God called him to go and save the Israelites and he asked what name he should deliver the God's message to Israelites: Jesus came, used the same phrase to refer to himself, they picked to wanted to pebble him but he escaped. They wanted to dish to him punishment reserve in the old testament for those who blaspheme. I often wonder which scripture you people read, it definitely can't be the same one every sane one of us read.
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. - Ex.3:14
It's the translation you're using that makes the verse complicated in actual sense what Jesus meant is:
"Before Abraham i exist"
capitalizing on what God said to Moses:
"I will prove to be whom i will prove to be" that was rendered
"I am that I am" in your version doesn't apply to Jesus!
tete7000:

You guys can keep denying the truth, it's a free world when we leave here you will come face to face with all the truths you have refused to believe.
According to God's word there is nothing God has to do with the dead He will destroy all evildoers but keeping them afterwards is totally contrary to His will!
tete7000:

Thomas made an error in amazement and Jesus, the truth, the way and life let that error go through without correcting it, even when he knew the damage it could caused later? When he knew the misinterpretation it can be given needing you to help you correct it? You guys can sound very ridiculous but I understand, you are not allowed to think anything through. You regurgitate everything you are told and you aren't allow to use your brain to philosophise and reason.
My friend from ìlàjẹ (Ondo State) exclaimed "Ayélála!" when someone jumped out from the window of a moving bus.
"Ayélála" means "God" in that language.
Please who was he calling God at that scene? smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:06am On Jun 12, 2023
Whoever feels Jehovah's Witnesses aren't getting things right should get to work and do the will of their God we are doing the will of our God! smiley

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by Aemmyjah(m): 9:25am On Jun 12, 2023
tete7000:


You said I didn't made reference to the scripture, I pointed out scripture to you in my write-up and suddenly you started teaching me scripture. Isn't that ludicrous that you who couldn't recognise scriptures in what I wrote until I pointed them out to you now turn around to correct what you couldn't see until you have it pointed to you? The scripture you claim to have sound knowledge of was even not evident to you without someone pointing it to you and now you want to teach me how the statement ' What God has joined together let no man put asunder' implies just unity. I am aware that even your sect holds marriage in reference more than you make it sound to disguise your ignorance and stupidity. You are so blank and daft.

We are discussing Jesus and God. They are separate. They are one in the sense of unity

It's interesting that an ignorant person like you with your insults will be promoting trinity (3 persons in 1) but giving examples of husband and wife. Where is the third person of trinity and who is he?
Olodo

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Re: I'm Beginning To Reason With Jehovah Witness On Their Stand Concerning Trinity by johnw47: 11:25pm On Jun 12, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Whoever feels Jehovah's Witnesses aren't getting things right should get to work and do the will of their God we are doing the will of our God! smiley

lost false jw mad max

that's because your god is the father of lies, the devil

paranoia, lying, and blasphemy is not the will of our God/The Christian's God:


Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

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