Can someone actually give me a detailed piece about what caused the bad blood between the Ijaws and the Igbos despite both being on the short side of things as Nigeria is concerned? I really need to know since both people before the Advent of Nigeria had birthed great city states such as Bonny , Opobo etc.

Fulani BMC has started to earn their 30k salary.

When U Chop Belle Full Finish Nah, Be Like Say Fulani Hearders Never Reach Your Side

Sinistami:
Can someone actually give me a detailed piece about what caused the bad blood between the Ijaws and the Igbos despite both being on the short side of things as Nigeria is concerned? I really need to know since both people before the Advent of Nigeria had birthed great city states such as Bonny , Opobo etc.

Yoruba man ..

See them .. someone says Hausa Fulani love divide and rule and I explain Hausa Fulani have never use divide and rule against any region

It has always always been Yoruba ... they love to divide tribes
Hausa Fulani only explores options created by yoruba

Awolowo did in pre independence the NORTH WARN HIM

HE MOVE TO MIDDLE BELT .. MICHEAL OPARA DEALT WITH HIM

THEN HE MOVED TO OLD EASTERN REGION.. YET COULDNT SUCCEED..

DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED THE ONLY UNITED REGION IS TILL OLD EASTERN REGION

SOUTH AND EAST.

AND YET THE YORUBA PEOPLE STILL CONTINUED WITH SAME AWOLOWO IDEOLOGY

WIKE HAS WARN THEM
AKPABIO UNDER PDP AS GOVERNOR DEALT WITH THEM AND THEIR PARTY EVIDENCE STILL AT AKWAIBOM STATE SECRETRIATE

TODAY ONLINE THEY HAVE “ WE THE SOUTH SOUTH “ WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE OP BELONGED TO
AND THEY NORMALLY SURFACE A YEAR OR TWO TO ELECTION
TO CAUSE DIVISION IN BETTER SOUTH BECuse of POLITICAL SUPPORT THEY NEED OR TO MAKE PDP LOSE ITS STRONGHOLD

OP IS ASKING IN WHAT CAPACITY DOES HE WANT TO KNOW

WHO IS HE .. WHATS YOUR INTEREST

WE KNOW NO SOUTH SOUTH OR SOUTH EAST WILL ASK THIS QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT VERY UNNECESSARY.. AS WE ALL IN THE SOUTH EAST AND SOUTH SOUTH KNOWS OUT HISTORY ..EVEN THO HISTORY IS NOT AVAILABLE IN SCHOOLS WE KNOQ OUR HISTORY

NOW OP YORUBA MAN WHATS YOUR REASON FOR TEYING TO INSTIGATE WHAT YOUR GREAT GRAND FATHER HAS TRIED AND FAILED

YOUR FATHERS AND YOUR YORUBA LEGENDS AND HEROS TRIED AND FAILED

IS IT A CURSE? OR OBSESSION?

WHAT DO YOU TEND TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS THREAD AND LETS SEE IF WE CAN HELP YOU

NOW IF WE TELL YOU WHAT TOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT WILL YOU USE IT FOR

I KNOW YOU’RE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM WHts HAPPENING IN YORUBA LAND TO IGBO BASHING AND SELL OF YORUBA PROPAGANDA

JUST KNOW I DEY THIS THREAD

I AM IJAW WITH STRONG IGBO BLOOD

NOT NEW
BORN N BRED IN NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SCHOOLED IN YORUBA LAND

I AWait your thread and I know THOSE YORUBA MODS WILL ENCOURAGE YOU

LETS GO

Asgard13:


Yoruba man ..

See them .. someone says Hausa Fulani love divide and rule and I explain Hausa Fulani have never use divide and rule against any region

It has always always been Yoruba ... they love to divide tribes
Hausa Fulani only explores options created by yoruba

Awolowo did in pre independence the NORTH WARN HIM

HE MOVE TO MIDDLE BELT .. MICHEAL OPARA DEALT WITH HIM

THEN HE MOVED TO OLD EASTERN REGION.. YET COULDNT SUCCEED..

DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED THE ONLY UNITED REGION IS TILL OLD EASTERN REGION

SOUTH AND EAST.

AND YET THE YORUBA PEOPLE STILL CONTINUED WITH SAME AWOLOWO IDEOLOGY

WIKE HAS WARN THEM
AKPABIO UNDER PDP AS GOVERNOR DEALT WITH THEM AND THEIR PARTY EVIDENCE STILL AT AKWAIBOM STATE SECRETRIATE

TODAY ONLINE THEY HAVE “ WE THE SOUTH SOUTH “ WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE OP BELONGED TO
AND THEY NORMALLY SURFACE A YEAR OR TWO TO ELECTION
TO CAUSE DIVISION IN BETTER SOUTH BECuse of POLITICAL SUPPORT THEY NEED OR TO MAKE PDP LOSE ITS STRONGHOLD

OP IS ASKING IN WHAT CAPACITY DOES HE WANT TO KNOW

WHO IS HE .. WHATS YOUR INTEREST

WE KNOW NO SOUTH SOUTH OR SOUTH EAST WILL ASK THIS QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT VERY UNNECESSARY.. AS WE ALL IN THE SOUTH EAST AND SOUTH SOUTH KNOWS OUT HISTORY ..EVEN THO HISTORY IS NOT AVAILABLE IN SCHOOLS WE KNOQ OUR HISTORY

NOW OP YORUBA MAN WHATS YOUR REASON FOR TEYING TO INSTIGATE WHAT YOUR GREAT GRAND FATHER HAS TRIED AND FAILED

YOUR FATHERS AND YOUR YORUBA LEGENDS AND HEROS TRIED AND FAILED

IS IT A CURSE? OR OBSESSION?

WHAT DO YOU TEND TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS THREAD AND LETS SEE IF WE CAN HELP YOU

NOW IF WE TELL YOU WHAT TOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT WILL YOU USE IT FOR

I KNOW YOU’RE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM WHts HAPPENING IN YORUBA LAND TO IGBO BASHING AND SELL OF YORUBA PROPAGANDA

JUST KNOW I DEY THIS THREAD

I AM IJAW WITH STRONG IGBO BLOOD

NOT NEW
BORN N BRED IN NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SCHOOLED IN YORUBA LAND

I AWait your thread and I know THOSE YORUBA MODS WILL ENCOURAGE YOU

LETS GO

Igbo man, will you keep kwayet!

Igbo man with Igala blood indeed.

ijawcitizen:


Igbo man, will you keep kwayet!

Igbo man with Igala blood indeed.

Proudly igbo

Unapologetic igbo. Now run along ...

Adashu..

You’ve been notice and ignored

Yoruba can never be proud.. “ we the south south crew”
Been ijaw no be chides...

Asgard13:


[s]Yoruba man ..

See them .. someone says Hausa Fulani love divide and rule and I explain Hausa Fulani have never use divide and rule against any region

It has always always been Yoruba ... they love to divide tribes
Hausa Fulani only explores options created by yoruba

Awolowo did in pre independence the NORTH WARN HIM

HE MOVE TO MIDDLE BELT .. MICHEAL OPARA DEALT WITH HIM

THEN HE MOVED TO OLD EASTERN REGION.. YET COULDNT SUCCEED..

DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED THE ONLY UNITED REGION IS TILL OLD EASTERN REGION

SOUTH AND EAST.

AND YET THE YORUBA PEOPLE STILL CONTINUED WITH SAME AWOLOWO IDEOLOGY

WIKE HAS WARN THEM
AKPABIO UNDER PDP AS GOVERNOR DEALT WITH THEM AND THEIR PARTY EVIDENCE STILL AT AKWAIBOM STATE SECRETRIATE

TODAY ONLINE THEY HAVE “ WE THE SOUTH SOUTH “ WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE OP BELONGED TO
AND THEY NORMALLY SURFACE A YEAR OR TWO TO ELECTION
TO CAUSE DIVISION IN BETTER SOUTH BECuse of POLITICAL SUPPORT THEY NEED OR TO MAKE PDP LOSE ITS STRONGHOLD

OP IS ASKING IN WHAT CAPACITY DOES HE WANT TO KNOW

WHO IS HE .. WHATS YOUR INTEREST

WE KNOW NO SOUTH SOUTH OR SOUTH EAST WILL ASK THIS QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT VERY UNNECESSARY.. AS WE ALL IN THE SOUTH EAST AND SOUTH SOUTH KNOWS OUT HISTORY ..EVEN THO HISTORY IS NOT AVAILABLE IN SCHOOLS WE KNOQ OUR HISTORY

NOW OP YORUBA MAN WHATS YOUR REASON FOR TEYING TO INSTIGATE WHAT YOUR GREAT GRAND FATHER HAS TRIED AND FAILED

YOUR FATHERS AND YOUR YORUBA LEGENDS AND HEROS TRIED AND FAILED

IS IT A CURSE? OR OBSESSION?

WHAT DO YOU TEND TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS THREAD AND LETS SEE IF WE CAN HELP YOU

NOW IF WE TELL YOU WHAT TOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT WILL YOU USE IT FOR

I KNOW YOU’RE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM WHts HAPPENING IN YORUBA LAND TO IGBO BASHING AND SELL OF YORUBA PROPAGANDA

JUST KNOW I DEY THIS THREAD

I AM IJAW WITH STRONG IGBO BLOOD

NOT NEW
BORN N BRED IN NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SCHOOLED IN YORUBA LAND

I AWait your thread and I know THOSE YORUBA MODS WILL ENCOURAGE YOU

LETS GO[/s]

Nzuzu on freestyle.

Look at what someone's supposed father is doing online....for crying out ebe is nkogheri si puta?


How does this relate to the innocent question the young man asked?

Exactly what u did here was same nonsense u did by Jumping on Anambra thread to talk rubbish and probably speak as if u from the state and making it seem as if the state are sort clan with hate...

Mr respect yourself ooooo, carry your ideology back to your state..

Stop Jumping on threads and spewing trash...

Goosh... Tufiakwa... nonsense.

MelesZenawi:



Nzuzu on freestyle.

Look at what someone's supposed father is doing online....for crying out ebe is nkogheri si puta?


How does this relate to the innocent question the young man asked?

Exactly what u did here was same nonsense u did by Jumping on Anambra thread to talk rubbish and probably speak as if u from the state and making it seem as if the state are sort clan with hate...

Mr respect yourself ooooo, carry your ideology back to your state..

Stop Jumping on threads and spewing trash...

Goosh... Tufiakwa... nonsense.

Quote me from now till eternity...

You won’t get that attention

This it.

Like I told you I don’t do fools. .. and won’t start now.

Asgard13:


[s]Quote me from now till eternity...

You won’t get that attention

This it.

Like I told you I don’t do fools. .. and won’t start now.[/s]

I don't need your attention, just condition yourself to your wawa enclave.

That's how most of u goes bad giving states u not from bad image...nde ojoo

Innocent question turned to rubbish and what Yorubas had to do with the question baffles nwa mmadu like me?

Outright stupidity... again condition yourself to your wawa enclave.. nonsense.

Sinistami:
Can someone actually give me a detailed piece about what caused the bad blood between the Ijaws and the Igbos despite both being on the short side of things as Nigeria is concerned? I really need to know since both people before the Advent of Nigeria had birthed great city states such as Bonny , Opobo etc.

As far as we are concerned this is an innocent question..

Either you answer him or keep shut.

MelesZenawi:



I don't need your attention, just condition yourself to your wawa enclave.

That's how most of u goes bad giving states u not from bad image...nde ojoo

Innocent question turned to rubbish and what Yorubas had to do with the question baffles nwa mmadu like me?

Outright stupidity... again condition yourself to your wawa enclave.. nonsense.

Rant Ignored

NEXT!

Sinistami, pior to the Biafran War, a lot of southeast (I am using the geographic context and not the political context) Nigerian communities were unhappy with what seemed like an overwhelming hinterland Igbo migration into the area. Hinterland Igbo came to acquire civil service jobs and work in the new coal industry at the time.

At this time, people were still operating with their pre-colonial ethnic identities, so this wasn’t an “Igbo” issue yet, per se. For example, Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki and Echie all had similar grievances as their Bonny, Opobo, Okrika, and Kalabari counterparts. However, by the 1940s a lot of ethnic unions had begun forming; the Igbo State Union being one of them.

This is essentially the birth of ethnic nationalism in Nigeria, and communities that otherwise had not yet accepted being part of a “meta-identity” became effectively grouped as belonging to one of the “big three”. At this time, “Igbo” became an identifiable political block within Nigeria. Of course, due to Igbo’s overwhelming numbers, Nigerians outside of the southeast seemingly thought of the southeast as “Igbo”. Ethnic minorities, like Ijaw, began developing nationalism of their own in response.

By the 1960s, we began having clearer ethnic lines of Igbo vs Ijaw as opposed to the fluidity that existed thirty years prior. Ijaw nationalism also came with a campaign to distance Ijaw from Igbo and that manifested in a lot of ways (hence why we still have these incessant “who is Igbo?” and “who is Ijaw?” discussions).

Fast forward a little bit to just before the Biafran War. Ojukwu and Gowon were waging a propaganda war of their own. As part of the effort to chisel away at Ojukwu’s regional authority, Gowon increased ethnic tension in the southeast, claiming that the Igbo were going to overrun the minorities.

An Aside: Self-determination was a big thing in the southeast. Between 1910 and 1940s, many “Igbo” and “Ijaw” groups were actively petitioning the British for sovereignty of their own, rather than being grouped with others. For instance, Kalabari did not see themselves as “Ijaw” and wanted to govern themselves. Likewise, Ngwa did not see itself as “Igbo” and wanted to govern itself. This applies to many other groups as well. Now, back to the narrative.

Gowon gave a bit of hope to the minorities seeking self-determination. He created new states in Nigeria, effectively creating the idea is “Igbo” as a SE community and “Ijaw” as an SS community that had nothing to do with each other. After this happened, Ojukwu unilaterally declared Biafra as an independent nation (and included the many minority communities who had just received states of their own from Gowon). Obviously, suspicions grew on the part of minorities (Ijaw included). Gowon’s propaganda war won out in this case due to Ojukwu’s unilateral haste (there was never any referendum in which the local communities voted for secession).

Fast forward a bit into the Biafran war, there was an era in the war that people don’t seem to want to discuss. It’s generally called the “Saboteur Era”. During this period, Biafran administration was actually concerned that various groups were becoming discontent with the war effort, and with the increasing losses, some Biafran administrators and army leaders were looking for scapegoats. They called these “sabo”. Biafran military actually went combing through Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Annang, Efik, Kalabari, Okrika, etc. communities unilaterally sacking the communities and reportedly killing people under the guise of “they were saboteurs”. This led to armed and bloody clashes between the locals and the Biafran army. Suspicion grew even more.

By the time the war was over, the idea of “Igbo” was finally cemented. The Igbo felt betrayed by Ijaw and other minorities who did not stick with them to the end (even though they generally did). Minorities felt anti-Igbo suspicions and even hate (especially for the atrocities of the Sabo Era). Gowon’s anti-Igbo propaganda worked, and Ojukwu anti-saboteur effort (which turned out to disproportionately affect minority groups) made things worse.

From the end of the war until now, Nigeria has not attempted to foster any sort of reconciliation, rehabilitation or reparations between communities. Everything is swept under the rug and since then the communities has maintained a sense of ethnic tension between themselves.

Of course, there is more detail involved in this narrative, but it should be enough to get your research going into learning more about how Nigeria has contributed to unnecessary ethnic tensions within the country.

Resource control. Igbos thrive under free trade while Ijaws thrive under controlled trade thereby making it impossible for them to compete freely. However Igbos and Ijaws remain best of friends even amidst the differences

In one short phrase: Fear (real or unfounded) of Igbo domination, exacerbated by the discovery of oil in the Niger Delta and anxiety over its control.

Asgard13:


Yoruba man ..

See them .. someone says Hausa Fulani love divide and rule and I explain Hausa Fulani have never use divide and rule against any region

It has always always been Yoruba ... they love to divide tribes
Hausa Fulani only explores options created by yoruba

Awolowo did in pre independence the NORTH WARN HIM

HE MOVE TO MIDDLE BELT .. MICHEAL OPARA DEALT WITH HIM

THEN HE MOVED TO OLD EASTERN REGION.. YET COULDNT SUCCEED..

DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED THE ONLY UNITED REGION IS TILL OLD EASTERN REGION

SOUTH AND EAST.

AND YET THE YORUBA PEOPLE STILL CONTINUED WITH SAME AWOLOWO IDEOLOGY

WIKE HAS WARN THEM
AKPABIO UNDER PDP AS GOVERNOR DEALT WITH THEM AND THEIR PARTY EVIDENCE STILL AT AKWAIBOM STATE SECRETRIATE

TODAY ONLINE THEY HAVE “ WE THE SOUTH SOUTH “ WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE OP BELONGED TO
AND THEY NORMALLY SURFACE A YEAR OR TWO TO ELECTION
TO CAUSE DIVISION IN BETTER SOUTH BECuse of POLITICAL SUPPORT THEY NEED OR TO MAKE PDP LOSE ITS STRONGHOLD

OP IS ASKING IN WHAT CAPACITY DOES HE WANT TO KNOW

WHO IS HE .. WHATS YOUR INTEREST

WE KNOW NO SOUTH SOUTH OR SOUTH EAST WILL ASK THIS QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT VERY UNNECESSARY.. AS WE ALL IN THE SOUTH EAST AND SOUTH SOUTH KNOWS OUT HISTORY ..EVEN THO HISTORY IS NOT AVAILABLE IN SCHOOLS WE KNOQ OUR HISTORY

NOW OP YORUBA MAN WHATS YOUR REASON FOR TEYING TO INSTIGATE WHAT YOUR GREAT GRAND FATHER HAS TRIED AND FAILED

YOUR FATHERS AND YOUR YORUBA LEGENDS AND HEROS TRIED AND FAILED

IS IT A CURSE? OR OBSESSION?

WHAT DO YOU TEND TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS THREAD AND LETS SEE IF WE CAN HELP YOU

NOW IF WE TELL YOU WHAT TOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT WILL YOU USE IT FOR

I KNOW YOU’RE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM WHts HAPPENING IN YORUBA LAND TO IGBO BASHING AND SELL OF YORUBA PROPAGANDA

JUST KNOW I DEY THIS THREAD

I AM IJAW WITH STRONG IGBO BLOOD

NOT NEW
BORN N BRED IN NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SCHOOLED IN YORUBA LAND

I AWait your thread and I know THOSE YORUBA MODS WILL ENCOURAGE YOU

LETS GO

Abobi I'm Ijaw straight from the streets of Amarata Yenagoa. My mom is Epie Atissa , my Dad is Engenne (Zarama) I don't get what you typed up there but I'm just going to tell you this, I'm asking this question as a 21 years old youth who really wants to know so stop talking as i have some kind of agenda. Egberi fa de o! Nua! Talk velemini!! And if you don't believe me then check my topics.

Sinistami:


Abobi I'm Ijaw straight from the streets of Amarata Yenagoa. My mom is Epie Atissa , my Dad is Engenne (Zarama) I don't get what you typed up there but I'm just going to tell you this, I'm asking this question as a 21 years old youth who really wants to know so stop talking as i have some kind of agenda. Egberi fa de o! Nua! Talk velemini!! And if you don't believe me then check my topics.

I’m sorry... lots of impostors here... and misinformation..
Some human count it join to see division among the southern minorities and among the ijaw and other minorities against the igbos.

The hate Niger deltA uniting with igbos.. THEY KNOW TOGETHER WE THE OLD EASTERN NIGERIA IS THE VERY POWERHOUSE OF NOGERIA IN EVERY ANGLE.

THEY DREAD THAT ...

WILL EXPLAIN MUCH TO YOU.. PM ME.

I Dey ekeki .. last week..
close to Eck center..

ChinenyeN:
Sinistami, pior to the Biafran War, a lot of southeast (I am using the geographic context and not the political context) Nigerian communities were unhappy with what seemed like an overwhelming hinterland Igbo migration into the area. Hinterland Igbo came to acquire civil service jobs and work in the new coal industry at the time.

At this time, people were still operating with their pre-colonial ethnic identities, so this wasn’t an “Igbo” issue yet, per se. For example, Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki and Echie all had similar grievances as their Bonny, Opobo, Okrika, and Kalabari counterparts. However, by the 1940s a lot of ethnic unions had begun forming; the Igbo State Union being one of them.

This is essentially the birth of ethnic nationalism in Nigeria, and communities that otherwise had not yet accepted being part of a “meta-identity” became effectively grouped as belonging to one of the “big three”. At this time, “Igbo” became an identifiable political block within Nigeria. Of course, due to Igbo’s overwhelming numbers, Nigerians outside of the southeast seemingly thought of the southeast as “Igbo”. Ethnic minorities, like Ijaw, began developing nationalism of their own in response.

By the 1960s, we began having clearer ethnic lines of Igbo vs Ijaw as opposed to the fluidity that existed thirty years prior. Ijaw nationalism also came with a campaign to distance Ijaw from Igbo and that manifested in a lot of ways (hence why we still have these incessant “who is Igbo?” and “who is Ijaw?” discussions).

Fast forward a little bit to just before the Biafran War. Ojukwu and Gowon were waging a propaganda war of their own. As part of the effort to chisel away at Ojukwu’s regional authority, Gowon increased ethnic tension in the southeast, claiming that the Igbo were going to overrun the minorities.

An Aside: Self-determination was a big thing in the southeast. Between 1910 and 1940s, many “Igbo” and “Ijaw” groups were actively petitioning the British for sovereignty of their own, rather than being grouped with others. For instance, Kalabari did not see themselves as “Ijaw” and wanted to govern themselves. Likewise, Ngwa did not see itself as “Igbo” and wanted to govern itself. This applies to many other groups as well. Now, back to the narrative.

Gowon gave a bit of hope to the minorities seeking self-determination. He created new states in Nigeria, effectively creating the idea is “Igbo” as a SE community and “Ijaw” as an SS community that had nothing to do with each other. After this happened, Ojukwu unilaterally declared Biafra as an independent nation (and included the many minority communities who had just received states of their own from Gowon). Obviously, suspicions grew on the part of minorities (Ijaw included). Gowon’s propaganda war won out in this case due to Ojukwu’s unilateral haste (there was never any referendum in which the local communities voted for secession).

Fast forward a bit into the Biafran war, there was an era in the war that people don’t seem to want to discuss. It’s generally called the “Saboteur Era”. During this period, Biafran administration was actually concerned that various groups were becoming discontent with the war effort, and with the increasing losses, some Biafran administrators and army leaders were looking for scapegoats. They called these “sabo”. Biafran military actually went combing through Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Annang, Efik, Kalabari, Okrika, etc. communities unilaterally sacking the communities and reportedly killing people under the guise of “they were saboteurs”. This led to armed and bloody clashes between the locals and the Biafran army. Suspicion grew even more.

By the time the war was over, the idea of “Igbo” was finally cemented. The Igbo felt betrayed by Ijaw and other minorities who did not stick with them to the end (even though they generally did). Minorities felt anti-Igbo suspicions and even hate (especially for the atrocities of the Sabo Era). Gowon’s anti-Igbo propaganda worked, and Ojukwu anti-saboteur effort (which turned out to disproportionately affect minority groups) made things worse.

From the end of the war until now, Nigeria has not attempted to foster any sort of reconciliation, rehabilitation or reparations between communities. Everything is swept under the rug and since then the communities has maintained a sense of ethnic tension between themselves.

Of course, there is more detail involved in this narrative, but it should be enough to get your research going into learning more about how Nigeria has contributed to unnecessary ethnic tensions within the country.

I don't know I've always assigned a feminine persona to your image in my head ...I don't know if it's because of the name. Anyways guy you're one of the most unbiased Igbos I've seen on this nairaland and your submission was the best I've read in this thread.

This is the first time I'm hearing about the "sabo era" where the Biafran army killed people who they thought of as saboteurs. All what I've heard and read so far was about Adaka Boro and the Ijaws betraying the hinterland Biafra , I haven't really read that something like this ever happened to fuel the anti Igbo sentiments. And if this matter isn't really tabled then I guess the bad blood will continue for a long time.

Abagworo:
Resource control. Igbos thrive under free trade while Ijaws thrive under controlled trade thereby making it impossible for them to compete freely. However Igbos and Ijaws remain best of friends even amidst the differences

This is a very short but concise way to put it though. I've always known you as a staunch supporter for Ijaw and Igbo uniting.

RedboneSmith:
In one short phrase: Fear (real or unfounded) of Igbo domination, exacerbated by the discovery of oil in the Niger Delta and anxiety over its control.

Another short way to put it but I think it goes deeper than that.

Asgard13:


I’m sorry... lots of impostors here... and misinformation..
Some human count it join to see division among the southern minorities and among the ijaw and other minorities against the igbos.

The hate Niger deltA uniting with igbos.. THEY KNOW TOGETHER WE THE OLD EASTERN NIGERIA IS THE VERY POWERHOUSE OF NOGERIA IN EVERY ANGLE.

THEY DREAD THAT ...

WILL EXPLAIN MUCH TO YOU.. PM ME.

Well thanks I understand. Do o! Ijaw and Igbo unity would be great.

[quote author=Asgard13 post=98434111]

Yoruba man ..

See them .. someone says Hausa Fulani love divide and rule and I explain Hausa Fulani have never use divide and rule against any region

It has always always been Yoruba ... they love to divide tribes
Hausa Fulani only explores options created by yoruba

Awolowo did in pre independence the NORTH WARN HIM

HE MOVE TO MIDDLE BELT .. MICHEAL OPARA DEALT WITH HIM

THEN HE MOVED TO OLD EASTERN REGION.. YET COULDNT SUCCEED..

DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED THE ONLY UNITED REGION IS TILL OLD EASTERN REGION

SOUTH AND EAST.

AND YET THE YORUBA PEOPLE STILL CONTINUED WITH SAME AWOLOWO IDEOLOGY

WIKE HAS WARN THEM
AKPABIO UNDER PDP AS GOVERNOR DEALT WITH THEM AND THEIR PARTY EVIDENCE STILL AT AKWAIBOM STATE SECRETRIATE

TODAY ONLINE THEY HAVE “ WE THE SOUTH SOUTH “ WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE OP BELONGED TO
AND THEY NORMALLY SURFACE A YEAR OR TWO TO ELECTION
. shut up. u are not ijaw. we ijaw disowned u. useless igbo man.

Sinistami:


Well thanks I understand. Do o! Ijaw and Igbo unity would be great.

Yea..
But the problem is mainly ego.. both are headstrong..
Both have excesses..

They understand each other and have been neighbors for ove 600 years... and have done business.
Never in that 600 have there been any recorded fight , war , or need of violence or settlement between both ..

During the war .. the federal government led by Awolowo took advantage of illiteracy between the minorities to sow seed of disunity
Awolowo told them that igbo .. will dominate them using language and they will be force to see igbo as national language as obtainable in the North

Awo propaganda was to get back at Igbos who he has natural hatred for ..
Awo propagated and introduce tribalism because of igbos .. he feared igbo will be so great to dominate the south.
He sow a seed and generations later his people has been propagating same.
Observe this exactly 8 months from now you will see rise on attack against igbos, notice how those attacks are from monikers claiming Niger deltA or south south

Call them “ we the south south crew”

Aim is to cause division.. immediately after election they disappear..

adaka boro declare niger delta republic, but greedy igbo people use nigeria forces to fight us to die.. to hell with igbos

Asgard13:

Quote me from now till eternity...
You won’t get that attention
This it.
Like I told you I don’t do fools. .. and won’t start now.

Nwanne,
honestly that your comment was nonsense,
including the topic.

ChinenyeN:
Sinistami, pior to the Biafran War, a lot of southeast (I am using the geographic context and not the political context) Nigerian communities were unhappy with what seemed like an overwhelming hinterland Igbo migration into the area. Hinterland Igbo came to acquire civil service jobs and work in the new coal industry at the time.

At this time, people were still operating with their pre-colonial ethnic identities, so this wasn’t an “Igbo” issue yet, per se. For example, Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki and Echie all had similar grievances as their Bonny, Opobo, Okrika, and Kalabari counterparts. However, by the 1940s a lot of ethnic unions had begun forming; the Igbo State Union being one of them.

This is essentially the birth of ethnic nationalism in Nigeria, and communities that otherwise had not yet accepted being part of a “meta-identity” became effectively grouped as belonging to one of the “big three”. At this time, “Igbo” became an identifiable political block within Nigeria. Of course, due to Igbo’s overwhelming numbers, Nigerians outside of the southeast seemingly thought of the southeast as “Igbo”. Ethnic minorities, like Ijaw, began developing nationalism of their own in response.

By the 1960s, we began having clearer ethnic lines of Igbo vs Ijaw as opposed to the fluidity that existed thirty years prior. Ijaw nationalism also came with a campaign to distance Ijaw from Igbo and that manifested in a lot of ways (hence why we still have these incessant “who is Igbo?” and “who is Ijaw?” discussions).

Fast forward a little bit to just before the Biafran War. Ojukwu and Gowon were waging a propaganda war of their own. As part of the effort to chisel away at Ojukwu’s regional authority, Gowon increased ethnic tension in the southeast, claiming that the Igbo were going to overrun the minorities.

An Aside: Self-determination was a big thing in the southeast. Between 1910 and 1940s, many “Igbo” and “Ijaw” groups were actively petitioning the British for sovereignty of their own, rather than being grouped with others. For instance, Kalabari did not see themselves as “Ijaw” and wanted to govern themselves. Likewise, Ngwa did not see itself as “Igbo” and wanted to govern itself. This applies to many other groups as well. Now, back to the narrative.

Gowon gave a bit of hope to the minorities seeking self-determination. He created new states in Nigeria, effectively creating the idea is “Igbo” as a SE community and “Ijaw” as an SS community that had nothing to do with each other. After this happened, Ojukwu unilaterally declared Biafra as an independent nation (and included the many minority communities who had just received states of their own from Gowon). Obviously, suspicions grew on the part of minorities (Ijaw included). Gowon’s propaganda war won out in this case due to Ojukwu’s unilateral haste (there was never any referendum in which the local communities voted for secession).

Fast forward a bit into the Biafran war, there was an era in the war that people don’t seem to want to discuss. It’s generally called the “Saboteur Era”. During this period, Biafran administration was actually concerned that various groups were becoming discontent with the war effort, and with the increasing losses, some Biafran administrators and army leaders were looking for scapegoats. They called these “sabo”. Biafran military actually went combing through Ngwa, Asa, Ndoki, Annang, Efik, Kalabari, Okrika, etc. communities unilaterally sacking the communities and reportedly killing people under the guise of “they were saboteurs”. This led to armed and bloody clashes between the locals and the Biafran army. Suspicion grew even more.

By the time the war was over, the idea of “Igbo” was finally cemented. The Igbo felt betrayed by Ijaw and other minorities who did not stick with them to the end (even though they generally did). Minorities felt anti-Igbo suspicions and even hate (especially for the atrocities of the Sabo Era). Gowon’s anti-Igbo propaganda worked, and Ojukwu anti-saboteur effort (which turned out to disproportionately affect minority groups) made things worse.

From the end of the war until now, Nigeria has not attempted to foster any sort of reconciliation, rehabilitation or reparations between communities. Everything is swept under the rug and since then the communities has maintained a sense of ethnic tension between themselves.

Of course, there is more detail involved in this narrative, but it should be enough to get your research going into learning more about how Nigeria has contributed to unnecessary ethnic tensions within the country.

How far Chinenye.

Please which of the south eastern state are you from?

Asgard13:


Yoruba man ..

See them .. someone says Hausa Fulani love divide and rule and I explain Hausa Fulani have never use divide and rule against any region

It has always always been Yoruba ... they love to divide tribes
Hausa Fulani only explores options created by yoruba

Awolowo did in pre independence the NORTH WARN HIM

HE MOVE TO MIDDLE BELT .. MICHEAL OPARA DEALT WITH HIM

THEN HE MOVED TO OLD EASTERN REGION.. YET COULDNT SUCCEED..

DYNAMICS HAVE CHANGED THE ONLY UNITED REGION IS TILL OLD EASTERN REGION

SOUTH AND EAST.

AND YET THE YORUBA PEOPLE STILL CONTINUED WITH SAME AWOLOWO IDEOLOGY

WIKE HAS WARN THEM
AKPABIO UNDER PDP AS GOVERNOR DEALT WITH THEM AND THEIR PARTY EVIDENCE STILL AT AKWAIBOM STATE SECRETRIATE

TODAY ONLINE THEY HAVE “ WE THE SOUTH SOUTH “ WHICH OBVIOUSLY THE OP BELONGED TO
AND THEY NORMALLY SURFACE A YEAR OR TWO TO ELECTION
TO CAUSE DIVISION IN BETTER SOUTH BECuse of POLITICAL SUPPORT THEY NEED OR TO MAKE PDP LOSE ITS STRONGHOLD

OP IS ASKING IN WHAT CAPACITY DOES HE WANT TO KNOW

WHO IS HE .. WHATS YOUR INTEREST

WE KNOW NO SOUTH SOUTH OR SOUTH EAST WILL ASK THIS QUESTIONS BECAUSE IT VERY UNNECESSARY.. AS WE ALL IN THE SOUTH EAST AND SOUTH SOUTH KNOWS OUT HISTORY ..EVEN THO HISTORY IS NOT AVAILABLE IN SCHOOLS WE KNOQ OUR HISTORY

NOW OP YORUBA MAN WHATS YOUR REASON FOR TEYING TO INSTIGATE WHAT YOUR GREAT GRAND FATHER HAS TRIED AND FAILED

YOUR FATHERS AND YOUR YORUBA LEGENDS AND HEROS TRIED AND FAILED

IS IT A CURSE? OR OBSESSION?

WHAT DO YOU TEND TO ACHIEVE WITH THIS THREAD AND LETS SEE IF WE CAN HELP YOU

NOW IF WE TELL YOU WHAT TOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT WILL YOU USE IT FOR

I KNOW YOU’RE TRYING HARD TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM WHts HAPPENING IN YORUBA LAND TO IGBO BASHING AND SELL OF YORUBA PROPAGANDA

JUST KNOW I DEY THIS THREAD

I AM IJAW WITH STRONG IGBO BLOOD

NOT NEW
BORN N BRED IN NORTHERN NIGERIA AND SCHOOLED IN YORUBA LAND

I AWait your thread and I know THOSE YORUBA MODS WILL ENCOURAGE YOU

LETS GO

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You just succeeded in making to read RUBBISH.... What is this Nonsense?

Sinistami, yeah, the Sabo Era is almost never discussed. However, you may sometimes notice the fallout of it in the way Igbo people talk about the Southeast minorities. Phrases like “they sabotaged us” used to be heard a lot even up to 2008, but from what I can tell, most Igbo people aren’t aware of what the Biafran army was actually doing in that time. It may surprise you just how many Igbo people respond with disbelief or even denial. when I go into some of the details about the Sabo Era. Yet, they just repeat “sabotage” and “betrayal” like a mantra, without knowing that villages in Kalabari, Okrika, Ngwa, Ndoki, Ibibio, etc. were actually clashing with the army. For the most part, the Biafran administration (and people in general) just seemed to keep quite and not discuss the saga after it happened; much like how many of our elders have generally remained quiet about the Biafran war.

It’s no wonder we can’t reconcile these events and heal, because the ethnic tension has never really been openly and honestly discussed beyond the nonstop insults being thrown both ways. Everyone feels victimized and they want to stay victimized. It’s understandable, but very tiring to have to go through the victimized conversations over and over again. But I guess that is what happens when there’s no room given for open and honest conversation.

ChangedMan1999:
How far Chinenye.

Please which of the south eastern state are you from?

I dey. I’m from Abia.

ChinenyeN:
Sinistami, yeah, the Sabo Era is almost never discussed. However, you may sometimes notice the fallout of it in the way Igbo people talk about the Southeast minorities. Phrases like “they sabotaged us” used to be heard a lot even up to 2008, but from what I can tell, most Igbo people aren’t aware of what the Biafran army was actually doing in that time. It may surprise you just how many Igbo people respond with disbelief or even denial. when I go into some of the details about the Sabo Era. Yet, they just repeat “sabotage” and “betrayal” like a mantra, without knowing that villages in Kalabari, Okrika, Ngwa, Ndoki, Ibibio, etc. were actually clashing with the army. For the most part, the Biafran administration (and people in general) just seemed to keep quite and not discuss the saga after it happened; much like how many of our elders have generally remained quiet about the Biafran war.

It’s no wonder we can’t reconcile these events and heal, because the ethnic tension has never really been openly and honestly discussed beyond the nonstop insults being thrown both ways. Everyone feels victimized and they want to stay victimized. It’s understandable, but very tiring to have to go through the victimized conversations over and over again. But I guess that is what happens when there’s no room given for open and honest conversation.

And I guess this was the main reason why the Ijaw and other minorities of Rivers State indulge in the Abandoned property saga, ceizing property that had once belonged to Igbos.

Everybody needs to stop playing this victim game because we were all guilty. My ancestors were guilty , your ancestors were guilty. I get sick when every thread about Ijaw in this thread turns into a tribal bashing contest like it's a sin for our existence but things are more clearer thanks to you. Thank you.

MelesZenawi:



As far as we are concerned this is an innocent question..

Either you answer him or keep shut.

Thank you bross...the man just come start dey bully me like say he know me from somewhere.

Sinistami:
Can someone actually give me a detailed piece about what caused the bad blood between the Ijaws and the Igbos despite both being on the short side of things as Nigeria is concerned? I really need to know since both people before the Advent of Nigeria had birthed great city states such as Bonny , Opobo etc.

What do you mean BOTH PEOPLE BIRTHED BONNY, OPOBO ETC?

ijawcitizen:

What do you mean BOTH PEOPLE BIRTHED BONNY, OPOBO ETC?

It is what it is o....See it fit anyway you want to understand it.