Jesus had the chance to establish trinity but yet he still accept a Jews concept of pure monotheism which contradicts christians belief today... It would have been better if he had told the Jew that he was God himself...

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

30And you shall love the Lord your God [i]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [j]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [k]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [l]This is the first and principal commandment.(E)

31The second is like it and is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.(F)

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

33 And to love Him out of and with all the heart and with all the understanding [with the [m]faculty of quick apprehension and intelligence and keenness of discernment] and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [I Sam. 15:22; Hos. 6:6; Mic. 6:6-8; Heb. 10:8.]

34And when Jesus saw that he answered intelligently (discreetly and [n]having his wits about him), He said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And after that no one ventured or dared to ask Him any further question.



Question: When Jesus said the Jew answered intelligently what concept of God do you think that particular scribe believed in at that moment that Jesus affirmed to it.... Is it Trinity or pure monotheism as believed by Jews today?

Trinity as a name is just a confusing term, Christians have one God the Father and then his son Jesus Christ whom he sent into the world.
This one God the Father is spirit and his word and movement combined in Genesis to create the world. when he moves into the world like a wind we call him spirit, and then his teachings or speech (Torah) is called the word.

Christians simply replaced the speech of God (Torah ) with the person of Jesus. Jesus is a man but he is the chosen one who has the fulness of God ( spirit) and so he became new Torah to the world.
The torah is like an oracle or speech of God indicating the complete will of God. The torah and the temple ( body ) are complete in Jesus.

In summary, there is God in heaven(the one God), his Torah given to man(Jesus), and his power at work(spirit).

haekymbahd:
Jesus had the chance to establish trinity but yet he still accept a Jews concept of pure monotheism which contradicts christians belief today... It would have been better if he had told the Jew that he was God himself...

Mark 12
29 Jesus answered, The first and principal one of all commands is: Hear, O Israel, The Lord our God is one Lord;

30And you shall love the Lord your God [i]out of and with your whole heart and out of and with all your soul (your [j]life) and out of and with all your mind (with [k]your faculty of thought and your moral understanding) and out of and with all your strength. [l]This is the first and principal commandment.(E)

31The second is like it and is this, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these.(F)

32 And the scribe said to Him, Excellently and fitly and admirably answered, Teacher! You have said truly that He is One, and there is no other but Him;

33 And to love Him out of and with all the heart and with all the understanding [with the [m]faculty of quick apprehension and intelligence and keenness of discernment] and with all the strength, and to love one's neighbor as oneself, is much more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. [I Sam. 15:22; Hos. 6:6; Mic. 6:6-8; Heb. 10:8.]

34And when Jesus saw that he answered intelligently (discreetly and [n]having his wits about him), He said to him, You are not far from the kingdom of God. And after that no one ventured or dared to ask Him any further question.



Question: When Jesus said the Jew answered intelligently what concept of God do you think that particular scribe believed in at that moment that Jesus affirmed to it.... Is it Trinity or pure monotheism as believed by Jews today?

I won't blame you for not understanding this theme you have written on.
Even Allah was confused by saying that Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus!

God is one. Universal creator of the universe. Just the nomenclature that is different...

Jesus is just a character in a story written by unknown authors....purpose of which is for social engineering..

shadeyinka:

I won't blame you for not understanding this theme you have written on.
Even Allah was confused by saying that Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus!

Hmm

sonmvayina:
God is one. Universal creator of the universe. Just the nomenclature that is different...

Jesus is just a character in a story written by unknown authors....purpose of which is for social engineering..

So in essence, biblical Jesus was in agreement that to love the only invisible God is worth more than burnt offerings and sacrifices(plural) according to verse 33.

So where did the Romans later get the idea that you need an ultimate sacrifice to reconcile self with God? When your only reconciliation is to Love God?

Jman24:




So in essence, biblical Jesus was in agreement that to love the only invisible God is worth more than burnt offerings and sacrifices(plural) according to verse 33.

So where did the Romans later get the idea that you need an ultimate sacrifice to reconcile self with God? When your only reconciliation is to Love God?

The Jews practiced sacrifices of atonement in the past, the christian tradition in trying to make meaning of the untimely, humiliating death of messaiah Jesus, reconciled his death to that of the passover sacrifice. Jesus himself at the last super had this interpretation of his death and suffering as a means of deliverance of the Jewish people from their sins( that always put them in misery).
To Paul, this deliverance was not just for the Jewish people but to all around the world who want to partake in this blessing or covenant.

All of these doesn't deny the fact that there is one invisible God worth more than burnt offerings.

Jman24:




So in essence, biblical Jesus was in agreement that to love the only invisible God is worth more than burnt offerings and sacrifices(plural) according to verse 33.

So where did the Romans later get the idea that you need an ultimate sacrifice to reconcile self with God? When your only reconciliation is to Love God?

There is just one universal creator but so many gods..They must have gotten the idea from paganism.


There was child sacrifice to moloch....thats a pointer..

sonmvayina:


There is just one universal creator but so many gods..They must have gotten the idea from paganism.


There was child sacrifice to moloch....thats a pointer..

The early christian tradition drew heavily from the Jewish scriptures not Moloch. Read the book of Hebrews in the new testament to understand how they interpreted these things.

GeneralDae:

The early christian tradition drew heavily from the Jewish scriptures not Moloch. Read the book of Hebrews in the new testament to understand how they interpreted these things.

So did God ever accepted or approved a human sacrifice ?

I'm 100% certain that you know whom to ask but since you're contending with misinformed Churchgoers it's OK.
You can continue pulling their legs!

sonmvayina:


So did God ever accepted or approved a human sacrifice ?

When you ask this simple English language, people like max my wonderful friend will immediately give a prelude to the one family stuff.
He starts by smiling

sonmvayina:


So did God ever accepted or approved a human sacrifice ?

The only sacrifice God accepts as you know already is the right heart, God has nothing really to do with animal or human sacrifice. They are just symbols.
The animal sacrifices on the alter ( e.g the lamb sacrifice on the jewish passover day) signified that due to the death of this animal ( as a hero), the jews were saved from death or extinction and in turn delivered out of bondage to Egypt.

This old testament tradition or story in the eyes of the early christian authors stood as symbols pointing to jesus as the real hero ( not the animal) whose death would save the jews.

It is not about God accepting this death as a human sacrifice, but rather the heroism of messaiah Jesus whom the passover animal represented 1500 years prior in Egypt.

I hope you understand?

There is only one creator of all. We are all his children. He created us from the dust of the earth and his breath (or spirit). He gave us his children his simple rules to follow and obey in other to have a more fulfilling life with a purpose, only the jews and the igbos accepted it. They became the apple of his eyes and his chosen people. They were mandated to teach the world to follow God by obeying his commandments. Most times they did not even follow it and just as men use the whip to discipline humans, he has not relented in punishing them by using their enemies to overwelm them.
The romans hijacked his commandments and word and created an idol(jesus) and set him up as the new god for humans to worship. Ever since, God has turned his face from humans, just like the psalmist said in psalm 104:29-31.


We have to return back to following the laws and commandments of our creator. No more idolatry, or human sacrifice. No more worshipping God with other associates..There is no one beside the creator.

Isaiah 45: 1-12

GeneralDae:

The only sacrifice God accepts as you know already is the right heart, God has nothing really to do with animal or human sacrifice. They are just symbols.
The animal sacrifices on the alter ( e.g the lamb sacrifice on the jewish passover day) signified that due to the death of this animal ( as a hero), the jews were saved from death or extinction and in turn delivered out of bondage to Egypt.

This old testament tradition or story in the eyes of the early christian authors stood as [b]symbols pointing to jesus [/b]as the real hero ( not the animal) whose death would save the jews.

It is not about God accepting this death as a human sacrifice, but rather the heroism of messaiah Jesus whom the passover animal represented 1500 years prior in Egypt.

I hope you understand?

I dont...where did you get this from?

Where did you get the bold from??

GeneralDae:

The only sacrifice God accepts as you know already is the right heart, God has nothing really to do with animal or human sacrifice. They are just symbols.
The animal sacrifices on the alter ( e.g the lamb sacrifice on the jewish passover day) signified that due to the death of this animal ( as a hero), the jews were saved from death or extinction and in turn delivered out of bondage to Egypt.

This old testament tradition or story in the eyes of the early christian authors stood as symbols pointing to jesus as the real hero ( not the animal) whose death would save the jews.

It is not about God accepting this death as a human sacrifice, but rather the heroism of messaiah Jesus whom the passover animal represented 1500 years prior in Egypt.

I hope you understand?

Do you have any idea of what judaism is all about?

sonmvayina:


Do you have any idea of what judaism is all about?

What do you want to get from me concerning Judaism? what's your point?

sonmvayina:


I dont...where did you get this from?

Where did you get the bold from??

What don't you understand about it?

sonmvayina:
There is only one creator of all. We are all his children. He created us from the dust of the earth and his breath (or spirit). He gave us his children his simple rules to follow and obey in other to have a more fulfilling life with a purpose, [b]only the jews and the igbos accepted it.[/b]They became the apple of his eyes and his chosen people. They were mandated to teach the world to follow God by obeying his commandments. Most times they did not even follow it and just as men use the whip to discipline humans, he has not relented in punishing them by using their enemies to overwelm them.
The romans hijacked his commandments and word and created an idol(jesus) and set him up as the new god for humans to worship. Ever since, God has turned his face from humans, just like the psalmist said in psalm 104:29-31.


We have to return back to following the laws and commandments of our creator. No more idolatry, or human sacrifice. No more worshipping God with other associates..There is no one beside the creator.

Isaiah 45: 1-12

You are the one making assumptions here now. So tell me, where do you get the bolded from?

Quote..."Only the Jews and the Igbos accepted it"

Concerning the Roman's hijacking his commandments to create an idol jesus, that may have been possibly true 300 years after christianity began but not prior.

Early christian tradition has nothing to do with the hijacking of the Romans. If you say the catholic church of 300 A.D, then I may agree with you slightly.

Jman24:

When you ask this simple English language, people like max my wonderful friend will immediately give a prelude to the one family stuff.
He starts by smiling

I wonder what makes people discuss at length if not to come to terms, so i often present the one family stuff to prove that it's possible to come to an agreement where LOVE, JOY and PEACE will reign if you get things right! John 17:20-23 compare to Isaiah 2:2-4

GeneralDae:

You are the one making assumptions here now. So tell me, where do you get the bolded from?

Quote..."Only the Jews and the Igbos accepted it"

Concerning the Roman's hijacking his commandments to create an idol jesus, that may have been possibly true 300 years after christianity began but not prior.

Early christian tradition has nothing to do with the hijacking of the Romans. If you say the catholic church of 300 A.D, then I may agree with you slightly.

Jesus is a roman creation.....or did you miss that?

GeneralDae:

What don't you understand about it?

Did God ever say, through any prophet that he was sending his son(sic) to come and change his laws?

GeneralDae:

What do you want to get from me concerning Judaism? what's your point?

You seems to think that judaism is about animal sacrifice..

sonmvayina:


Jesus is a roman creation.....or did you miss that?

can you state the reasons why you think so?

sonmvayina:


You seems to think that judaism is about animal sacrifice..

And what makes you assume such about my thoughts on Judaism? Was there a passover sacrifice in Jewish culture or not?

sonmvayina:


Did God ever say, through any prophet that he was sending his son(sic) to come and change his laws?

Change what laws? The laws are there for those who want to keep them, he rather heightened the requirements of the laws and gave better ones under a new covenant.
The laws of Moses were not really special and they were strictly for the social life of ancient Isreal. With Jesus we see the laws of Moses clearly and have the laws of the new covenant in Jeremiah 29.

GeneralDae:

Change what laws? The laws are there for those who want to keep them, he rather heightened the requirements of the laws and gave better ones under a new covenant.
The laws of Moses were not really special and they were strictly for the social life of ancient Isreal. With Jesus we see the laws of Moses clearly and have the laws of the new covenant in Jeremiah 29.

Who is jesus?

GeneralDae:

And what makes you assume such about my thoughts on Judaism? Was there a passover sacrifice in Jewish culture or not?

The passover was to commemorate the day that God sent the angel of death to kill the first born son of the Egyptian and had to pass over the house of the jews...


So?...

sonmvayina:


The passover was to commemorate the day that God sent the angel of death to kill the first born son of the Egyptian and had to pass over the house of the jews...


So?...

Good, so also for the christian tradition, the animal that was killed points as a symbol to Jesus who was killed for the deliverance of his people.

GeneralDae:

can you state the reasons why you think so?

Is there anywhere in the entire old testament that speak of anything like christology?

GeneralDae:

Good, so also for the christian tradition, the animal that was killed points as a symbol to Jesus who was killed for the deliverance of his people.

So christianity is paganism because it was not God who ordered it..who asked for it?

GeneralDae:

can you state the reasons why you think so?

Only romans/greeks have the idea of god having children with humans...the jews dont have it..