Ogedegbe Yoruba claim is the greatest Yoruba man ever, was just a common thief, a bandit, he will flog Yoruba king with cane and get away with their food and valuables, Na this Mu,mu you say e come benin kingdom you nor well , a place that took Britain to go and borrow weapons to fight during the the third coming,, this ogedegbe story and propaganda has prove to me that there was no man in the west , imagine this sick looking man ravaged the entire south west alone
As sickly as you claim that he look your ọba was weeing in his trousers when he heard that Ogedengbe is coming
As sickly as you claim that he look your ọba was weeing in his trousers when he heard that Ogedengbe is coming
Yoruba history full of foo,lish logic Imagin a common thief was documented as the greatest Yoruba man ever. If your stupid ogedegbe had enter Benin he would have be sacrificed to the gods
mr1759: IFE bronzes mysteriously appear in 1938, this appearance has help to prove that the Yorubas also had inventions and civilization in precolonial era. But surprisingly this bronze were from Benin city and was produced by Felix idubor father the year 1931, this art work was for some Yoruba dancers who came to Oba of Benin palace to participate in Oba Eweka 11 end of year event it is never past Ooni image,Also this art skill Felix idubor developed and excel with it,
YungMillionaire: Reading through these posts I feel really embarrassed for the way the Bini revisionists go about their propaganda. It's pathetic and stupid. In Delta we have a lot of regard for Bini. But what I see on social media (not just Nairaland but twitter, tiktok etc.) makes me sad. How can you represent Bini by spreading easily debunkable lies all over the internet? This is weak and smacks of low self esteem. If you must lie at least do your homework to make sure that the lies are spurious enough to convince a few of the neutrals. Just like the ridiculous lie that turned Oduduwa an Ife man to a Bini man, these blatant lies will continue to expose you guys as incompetent propagandists. The reason some Binis desire to cut their obvious link with Yorubas is jealousy. They are jealous because Yoruba culture is very dominant. But if they are smart, they would preserve the link and use their strong Yoruba heritage to expand Bini influence (Yes I said it. Bini royalty was founded by Ife. The same way Itsekiri royalty was founded by Bini. Infact the only reason Itsekiri accepted a Bini prince was because it was understood that Bini royalty is Yoruba). But they won't do this because for some reason they foolishly think the only way to expand Bini influence is to destroy Yoruba heritage (an impossible task. How can you use weak online propaganda to destroy something centuries of slave trade and slavery could not destroy?). This is one of the dumbest strategies I have ever seen in my life. I know it is tough to be a minority tribe but stupidity will not give you relevance. Most of the places you go outside of Nigeria the only two tribes most people know are Yoruba and Igbo. If you go to France and say 'Bini' they think you are talking of Benin Republic. If you travel to South America the ONLY Nigerian words that ring a bell is Yoruba, Ife, and the names of the Yoruba dieties. So for those minority tribes in the South who have strong connections with Yorubas or Igbos why not take advantage of this connection rather than fight it? If I go to Brazil, Cuba, Colombia etc. as an Itsekiri man why shouldn't I emphasize my Yoruba heritage and still educate about my unique Itsekiri experience? Why shouldn't a Bini man do the same? Why lie to deny yourself of a rich cultural experience? Stupidity is a disease. It renders its victim blind to reality and wisdom. I weep for stupid people. There is no hope for them in this life.
Come out and own your Yoruba identity with your full chest. No need hiding under being ftom Delta state.
Having pointed out that the 1970s Izoduwa joke has no basis in history; what then do the historical studies say today on the roots of Oduduwa in the light of the earliest traditions and other source evidence??
Oduduwa ruled as king only in Yorubaland, so a fair inquiry into his roots must necessarily proceed with an examination of the Yorubas’ earliest traditions on his roots. Having said that, because his rule was at Ife I would begin with a description of Ife’s topography.
The archaeological survey of the Ife country shows it to lie in a high bowl surrounded by hills which form a watershed for streams flowing out via gaps between the hills.
Paul Ozanne’s 1969 report of his archaeological survey finds that many settlements were already on ground in the Ife country by circa 350 BCE.
These settlements increased in number and size over time, and by 900AD when great changes began in the area, these settlements must have been up to the 13 whose names have been passed via the traditions to the present century.
These settlements include: Iloromu (which lay along a stretch of today’s Ife-Ilesha road); Ideta (which lay along today’s road to Mokuro); Odin (which lay along the modern road to Ifewara); Iwinrin (which covered the area of today’s Koiwo and Oronno quarters); Omologun (which covered part of what is now OAU campus); Imojubi (which lay along today’s Ife-Ondo road); Ijugbe; Oke-Oja; & Iraye (which all lay west of the area now known as Modakeke). The sites of Ido; Oke-Awo; Iloran and Parakin are difficult to asserctain.
The other settlements whose names have also come down to us through the traditions are: Ilare, Esije, Ita-Yemoo, Orun-Oba-Ado (after the burial site), Ilara, and Idio.
King Oduduwa of Ife (even before becoming the king of the Ife country) was first widely known (and passed down till date by the early traditions) as Ọṣìn-Ọrà; i.e., the Head of Ora community.
Ọrà (or aptly: Òkè-Ọrà — that is, Ọrà-Hill) was an old hilly settlement in the Ife country, particularly sited in the Iloromu part of the country.
The traditions recall that it was in this hilly community of Ọrà that Oduduwa’s homeland was prior to moving down into the Omologun area of the “Ife bowl”.
After the long civil-conflict between the autochthones of the “Ife-bowl” and the new groups who continued to join them (a conflict which appears from an in-depth analysis of the traditions to have preceded Oduduwa himself), he moved his base from the partly ruined compounds of Omologun to Idio on a low hill which gently slopes in all directions.
It was from this new base (at Idio) that the new task of reorganizing the newly emerging city of Ile-Ife began. Ife thus became one single kingdom in contrast to the former confederation of kingdoms of the pre-existing settlements. The project of building a protective wall around the city was also launched.
PS: Out of “curiosity”, would someone please tell me the name of Pa IDU’s father — yes, the so-called Pa Idu, his own father. Lol. Thanks.
Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?
You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.
What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?
And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?
Having pointed out that the 1970s Izoduwa joke has no basis in history; what then do the historical studies say today on the roots of Oduduwa in the light of the earliest traditions and other source evidence??
Oduduwa ruled as king only in Yorubaland, so a fair inquiry into his roots must necessarily proceed with an examination of the Yorubas’ earliest traditions on his roots. Having said that, because his rule was at Ife I would begin with a description of Ife’s topography.
The archaeological survey of the Ife country shows it to lie in a high bowl surrounded by hills which form a watershed for streams flowing out via gaps between the hills.
Paul Ozanne’s 1969 report of his archaeological survey finds that many settlements were already on ground in the Ife country by circa 350 BCE.
These settlements increased in number and size over time, and by 900AD when great changes began in the area, these settlements must have been up to the 13 whose names have been passed via the traditions to the present century.
These settlements include: Iloromu (which lay along a stretch of today’s Ife-Ilesha road); Ideta (which lay along today’s road to Mokuro); Odin (which lay along the modern road to Ifewara); Iwinrin (which covered the area of today’s Koiwo and Oronno quarters); Omologun (which covered part of what is now OAU campus); Imojubi (which lay along today’s Ife-Ondo road); Ijugbe; Oke-Oja; & Iraye (which all lay west of the area now known as Modakeke). The sites of Ido; Oke-Awo; Iloran and Parakin are difficult to asserctain.
The other settlements whose names have also come down to us through the traditions are: Ilare, Esije, Ita-Yemoo, Orun-Oba-Ado (after the burial site), Ilara, and Idio.
King Oduduwa of Ife (even before becoming the king of the Ife country) was first widely known (and passed down till date by the early traditions) as Ọṣìn-Ọrà; i.e., the Head of Ora community.
Ọrà (or aptly: Òkè-Ọrà — that is, Ọrà-Hill) was an old hilly settlement in the Ife country, particularly sited in the Iloromu part of the country.
The traditions recall that it was in this hilly community of Ọrà that Oduduwa’s homeland was prior to moving down into the Omologun area of the “Ife bowl”.
After the long civil-conflict between the autochthones of the “Ife-bowl” and the new groups who continued to join them (a conflict which appears from an in-depth analysis of the traditions to have preceded Oduduwa himself), he moved his base from the partly ruined compounds of Omologun to Idio on a low hill which gently slopes in all directions.
It was from this new base (at Idio) that the new task of reorganizing the newly emerging city of Ile-Ife began. Ife thus became one single kingdom in contrast to the former confederation of kingdoms of the pre-existing settlements. The project of building a protective wall around the city was also launched.
Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?
You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.
What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?
And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?
If you have always been ignorant of Oduduwa's history that's on you. Yoruba traditions are clear for those who wish to learn. There has never been a reference to mecca. That is as much a bad and tasteless narrative as your silly Bini ekaladaran one.
As for oduduwa coming from the sky, all orisha are said to be heavenly beings but when those with historical curiosities probe they find very earthly locations connected to the Òrìṣà in the same tradition. Please tell me where again did your Pa Idu come from according to Edo traditions?
I have seen whom you quoted. While the account mention Oduduwa as the unifying king who merged the thirteen settlements together, under himself. He was not a lord overall until the decision was arrived at,during the time of the seven Elu(s) and six Ife(s)
I however still insist Oduduwa original home and many other people were not actually here in Nigeria. They were purely migrants to present day Nigeria. Ileife in Nigeria was originally a cosmopolitan city to even foreigners who came overthere and inter married.
Below is fact that the 350 Bce radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne, 1969:32),cited by by both Ogundiran(2002, pc) and Drewal(2009:80) has been rejected by renowned scholars such as professor Susan Blier,Frank willet 2004 and others for lack of evidence.
I have seen whom you quoted. While the account mention Oduduwa as the unifying king who merged the thirteen settlements together, under himself. He was not a lord overall until the decision was arrived at,during the time of the seven Elu(s) and six Ife(s)
I however still insist Oduduwa original home and many other people were not actually here in Nigeria. They were purely migrants to present day Nigeria. Ileife in Nigeria was originally a cosmopolitan city to even foreigners who came overthere and inter married.
Below is fact that the 350 Bce radiocarbon (Folster in Ozanne, 1969:32),cited by by both Ogundiran(2002, pc) and Drewal(2009:80) has been rejected by renowned scholars such as professor Susan Blier,Frank willet 2004 and others for lack of evidence.
I had this argument with Tao12 who believes that Oduduwa was born in the Ile Ife Area and she quoted Prof Akintoyes book which supported that idea but later on I read an article of Prof Biobaku which suggested that Oduduwa came from Arabia Area But recently I have read that Nupe and Yoruba were of the same Origin and ancestry and actually Yorubas were Nupe who crossed river Niger to the South , well there is a Section of Nupe who are originally from Borno Kanuri’s Kukawa and the Kanuri Claim some of their ancestors migrated from Yemen as pagans But where Tao12 May be right is that some researchers believe it was Nupe People from the Niger Area that migrated to Borno in the first Place and not the other way round , DNA evidence appears to support this idea This means that because many Kanuri were originally from Nupe there was a lot of back and forth traffic between both Kingdoms it is Possible Oduduwa was originally Nupe of the Niger Area but moved back and forth between the Kanuri and Nupe Kingdoms after all he was an experienced Horseman
Oranmiyan crossed river Niger on his way to his Grandfathers Kingdom before Lajomo the Nupe King discouraged him and gave him his Daughter as wife who bore him Alaafin Sango the name Sango is also indigenous to Birom Plateau State People who also Claim a Kanuri Origin they too are unlettered
Yorubas have no writing originally and if Oduduwa was truly from Arabia and a Prince that would be almost impossible
Could you please post a link to where you and I began this particular exchange you’re talking about?
I am requesting so everyone can read from that point all the way to see what my argument actually was and to see how our exchange went.
I am requesting so everyone can see whether or not I alleged that Oduduwa is from Ọrà simply because S. A. Akintoye documented it.
Thanks bro. —————— PS: For clarity, king Oodua is from Òkè-Ọrà not merely because this information was captured into writing in the mid/late-1900s, and not merely because Akintoye too captured it in another peer-reviewed work. He is from there for the reason that this truth is present in the indigenous and traditional narrative of Ife and of the Yoruba people in general prior to the emergence of the Johnsonian hypothesis which is rooted in Sultan Bello’s supposition on the origins of Yorubas.
Could you please post a link to where you and I began this particular exchange you’re talking about?
I am requesting so everyone can read from that point all the way to see what my argument actually was and to see how our exchange went.
I am requesting so everyone can see whether or not I alleged that Oduduwa is from Ọrà simply because S. A. Akintoye documented it.
Thanks bro. —————— PS:
TAO11: You seem to be reading my comments too fast. The answers to your comment are always found in the very comment you’re quoting.
(1) I have already addressed the plurality of the story among the different Nigerian groups where I wrote that:
“To buttress this point further vis-a-vis the other groups in relation to which you may have read a similar story; Sultan Bello did not limit his story to the Yorubas.
In fact, he specifically mentioned that the Nupe people, the “Ya-ory” people and in fact, all the tribes of the West Sudan are descended from (and the Nupe are related to) the Yorubas — and that they originally came in from the Middle-East.”
(2) Also, you still seem unknowingly stuck on the stem of the tree rather than consider the actual root of the tree which historians have identified.
For the umpteenth time, the root of these stories is the Fulani writing of Sultan Bello which was intended perhaps to ease proselytizing.
The Yorubas, et al. had their respective original accounts which the Fulani-made story gradually came to replace over time until recently.
Let me point out quickly that the Kisra legend is one variant of the actual unsubstantiated story penned by Sultan Bello.
There is no historical evidence for this legend, neither is there any historical evidence to support the first story (Bello’s) on which it and others are based.
There are corpus of literature from the Islamic world (regarding Muhammad’s campaigns) and literature from Middle East in general, there is no support for this legend in any of their corpus of writings.
Moreover, your version here is interesting and unique to you. You see, professional historians do not simply sit back and guess out the history of a group of people.
Neither, do they go about asking Hausas/Fulanis about the history of Yorubas. No! To know what your family name is, I should actually ask you or some member of your family — I shouldn’t ask some foreigner.
This is precisely what Clapperton and Johnson had done on Oduduwa’s roots until recently when professional historian recognized that hole.
Professional historians have now done the right thing of turning to the Yorubas themselves (rather than to non-Yorubas) in order to inquire about what their original traditional narrative actually say regarding the historicity of Oduduwa’s roots.
The general outline of the original Yoruba traditional narrative of Oduduwa’s roots (prior to its apparent suppression by Bello’s story and all its variants) can be summarized as follows:
“Some small settlements had, for a long time, existed on hills beyond the immediate environs of the settlements in the Ife bowl. At some point in time, one of them moved down, staked claims to some land within the area and started to build a new settlement. Its leader was a man named Oduduwa. Before this group came, there was already an area that the old settlements generally regarded as land for strangers. It was into this area that the group now commonly represented in the traditions as the Oduduwa group moved. From the moment that this group arrived, it was unprepared to accept the claims of precedence by the older settlements; it was also not willing to have any dealings with the existing alliance of kings. All this led to the beginning of conflicts between the Oduduwa group and some of the older settlements, and this conflicts got worse over a long time.”
~ S. Adebanji Akintoye: “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing, 2010, p. 57; citing Adediran: “The Early Beginnings of the Ife State,” pp. 77-95; and Obayemi: “The Phenomenon of Oduduwa in Ife History,” pp. 62-76; in I. Adeagbo Akinjogbin: “The Cradle of a Race: Ife from the Beginning to 1980,” Sunray Publications, 1992.
So, if you’re asking what the Yorubas held originally regarding the historicity of Oduduwa’s roots, then that is it for you.
The idea of a migration of Oduduwa (or his ancestors) from the Middle-East is originally alien to the Yorubas. As historians have shown, this later idea emerged from Hausaland.
Again, if I must know your family name, I should ask you (or/and members of your family) and not some foreigner. Don’t you agree?
Lol. Regardless of the truth nature of this (true or false) this is irrelevant to the historical roots of Oduduwa (or Yorubas).
Yoruba indigenous traditional narrative debunks the Middle-East migration story. Scientific evidence also debunks the story.
One question you must ponder deeply is as follows:
“Why do I wish so badly that this Middle-East migration story is true despite the fact that: (i) this story originated from a non-Yoruba source(a Fulani ); (ii) Yorubas originally have no such story in their tradition, and (iii) professional historians now reject such story as ‘unhistorical’?? ?? ?? ?? ??”
If you ponder this question genuinely, I bet you will become free from the block. I was once there.
Cheers!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
Ps Where have you been Tao11 ?
I was beginning to think you were on maternity leave
I was going to send you a Congratulations message and ask if it was a boy or a girl
I was beginning to think you were on maternity leave
I was going to send you a Congratulations message and ask if it was a boy or a girl
Merry Christmas.
Afi maternity leave na. I’ve been busy with other things ni o.
Thanks for posting the link to one of the comments we had in that exchange.
Now it can be seen by all and sundry that I never said the reason why Oduduwa is from Oke-Ora is merely because it was documented by S. Adebanji Akintoye [or in I. A. Akinjogbin, or even in much earlier works].
And as I have added in the “PS” of my foregoing, it is clear that the reason why he is from here is clearly because the tradition says it.
I had this argument with Tao12 who believes that Oduduwa was born in the Ile Ife Area and she quoted Prof Akintoyes book which supported that idea but later on I read an article of Prof Biobaku which suggested that Oduduwa came from Arabia Area But recently I have read that Nupe and Yoruba were of the same Origin and ancestry and actually Yorubas were Nupe who crossed river Niger to the South , well there is a Section of Nupe who are originally from Borno Kanuri’s Kukawa and the Kanuri Claim some of their ancestors migrated from Yemen as pagans But where Tao12 May be right is that some researchers believe it was Nupe People from the Niger Area that migrated to Borno in the first Place and not the other way round , DNA evidence appears to support this idea This means that because many Kanuri were originally from Nupe there was a lot of back and forth traffic between both Kingdoms it is Possible Oduduwa was originally Nupe of the Niger Area but moved back and forth between the Kanuri and Nupe Kingdoms after all he was an experienced Horseman
Oranmiyan crossed river Niger on his way to his Grandfathers Kingdom before Lajomo the Nupe King discouraged him and gave him his Daughter as wife who bore him Alaafin Sango the name Sango is also indigenous to Birom Plateau State People who also Claim a Kanuri Origin they too are unlettered
Yorubas have no writing originally and if Oduduwa was truly from Arabia and a Prince that would be almost impossible
There is no crime if you and Tao had a different perspective on Oduduwa being born and raised in Ileife. Even these professors need proof it beyond assumption.
Afterall there is a burial site which housed the family of Oduduwa with a burial pattern while the Oramfe descendants has too that are not even up to 1300 years old.
Therefore it is wrong to think Oduduwa was even alive during Òogún, Ọbálúfọn-Ogbogbodirin, Ọbálúfọn Atayéṣé and Ọrànmiyàn era.
Infact, there is an Odùduwa who came down from heaven directly in Ifáodù corpus that became king over all kings on earth. This personality was also attacked by Ọbátálà and it took the authority of Ẹlàà(Ọ̀rúnmìèlàà) to defeat Ọbátálà after displeasure of hearing Odùduwa had been given the authority to rule the earth.
My take of this misconception on these two different personality is that the Odùduwa was the the sacred powerful God whom is referred as Odù, the femine creative power of God whom women do not see eyeball to eyeball and IWA the perfection God.
It was supposedly after this first spirit being king that the earthly man closely identified as Eri Òogún and later Odùduwa assume the title.
While Òogúnwasregenttobemade there was a problem Ooni as king over all in Iléifẹ, he was usurped and when the families of Òogún could not have their way, Ogbogbodirin was picked from the town meeting and he became Olúfẹ.
It was during this period between Òogún before the reign of Ogbogbodirin that Ọrànmiyàn was always formenting trouble that he was sent to Igodo and the rest is history.
The point here is that there was no Odùduwa the pioneer overall king in Nigeria even was not even alive during Orànmiyàn. He lived in the BCE.
Furthermore, Òrànmiyan and other princes, such as a descent of ilàọràngún, owu etc were going to avenge the taken over of Orànmiyan and their ancestors land which was when they crossed over to River Niger and moved on but they turned back aroud Songhai Empire -Mali Empire due to distance.
It was when they were coming back they met stiff opposition from Empe(Tapa people), which he won alongside his cowarriors. This what led to Torosi(mother) of Itiolú Ṣàngó ,whom he made his wife. This where Katunga was taken over by Yorubas.
So,Yorubas were intermarried to Tapa and not that they were all Yorubas. Òogún has no meaning in Tapa language as found in Yoruba. The farther you go up North , you will understand.
Beside, four houses begun in Ileife,in which I will mention them as following
Ilé Omirin Ilé Òogún Ilé Ugbo Ilé Odikéjì
Lastly, there is a information that suggest that Eri is same as Eri that is written about in the Semitic account because the name means the same. This is not because Yoruba do not know they were migrants but because certain scholars do not see reason Yoruba should be given the rightful position in the committee of nation. Ifáodù is actually what begun monotheism God called Àle or Èle (Mighty)
Pained man, post the burial of Odùduwa in Ileife if you have information of it. I post what I know.
Yes,it's not a must to be semitic but itis a must to correct the anomalies of wrong language grouping. In as much Yoruba language is found to be spoken in Ancient Egypt, Arabia land Israel.Then Yoruba history and place of origin is not in West Africa.
So, competing with information you have no knowledge on is as simple as you making fool of yourself. Afterall,your ancestor wasnt Eri .
Oranmiyan's ancestors forebear was known as Eri Ogun and remained his descendants ancestor. Infact,his paternal cousins, extended families have Eri~~~~~~the warlord as their ancestor and as family members.
Below is the Eri meaning which is same with, Eri of Yoruba from present day.
There are information that I couldnt post due to avoidance of being banned because BOT.
So, this is certainly the reason I skipped some information. Peradventure, I have not answered some question of yours, then take time to ask me one after the other and I shall do justice to it if such information is within my grip.
Meanwhile, I will prefer a thread on Oduduwa or a Yoruba and not posting resourceful information as this on Edo supremacy thread.
Where did you dig up these new lies about Oduduwa from?
You accuse the other guy of being a revisionist and yet out of the blue you come up with a new story about the origin of Oduduwa completely different from what has been promoted and written over the years.
What happened to the story of Oduduwa coming from Mecca?
And the believe by yoruba cultural traditions that he fell from the sky?
How do you get your own Igodo historical information about Owodo ?
Th I am interested in it because if indeed Igodo know the origin of Oduduwa, tell us the history of Ogun the man and not the deity.
How many houses founded Igodomigodo ?
Are Urhobo groups part of ancient Igodomigodo ?
Who were the efas in Igodomigodo ?
Who were the Ikas in Igodomigodo land ?
What is the version of how the king's sword got in Biniland ?
Whose house gives the sword to Oba Bini ancestrally ?
Clearly, in scholarly world, linguistic trait is part of determining where ethnic identity is from or aptly if a superior group came to another group's land and impose her language in that land and intermarried with the locals.
This is how you can understand how migration of people can be determined or possibility of it.
Un Ecology of language,studies has shown that a superior teacher's language can affect weak learner's ethnic group language in the hand of such superior teacher's language, if migration or contact arises for whatever reason.
Some examples, the Yoruba language infiltrate Igodomigodo language, in which traces of Yoruba language mixed up with Igodomigodo.
Ibo language having contact with Yoruboid language which makes some Ibo lexicon becomes corruptly pronounced in one way or the other which easily makes such cognates.
Another example is imposition of English language by the British colonialist who use her language as a means of communication in her colonies.
Interestingly, Yoruba language has a means of survival in Nigeria because of Ifaodu( highly detailed sacred memoir of Yoruba religious beliefs and worldview. Besides, the English language borrowed a lot from the Hebrew and the Hebrew-Arabic are enshrined in Yoruba Ifaodu.
The same can be said about Hausa language and her people of a high probability of survival though with heavy influence from Arabic language.etc
Plainly , Oduduwa has history in ifaodu and also in Ileife. So Erroneously information that has littered made it looks like Oduduwa the man is not Yoruba but Edo ? Mind you, Edo people lied or their scholars or kings courtyard historians lied about Oduduwa being on throne when Ileife was visited by the Edo chiefs. Oduduwa the man was long gone.
Olu317: How do you get your own Igodo historical information about Owodo ?
Th I am interested in it because if indeed Igodo know the origin of Oduduwa, tell us the history of Ogun the man and not the deity.
How many houses founded Igodomigodo ?
Are Urhobo groups part of ancient Igodomigodo ?
Who were the efas in Igodomigodo ?
Who were the Ikas in Igodomigodo land ?
What is the version of how the king's sword got in Biniland ?
Whose house gives the sword to Oba Bini ancestrally ?
Clearly, in scholarly world, linguistic trait is part of determining where ethnic identity is from or aptly if a superior group came to another group's land and impose her language in that land and intermarried with the locals.
This is how you can understand how migration of people can be determined or possibility of it.
Un Ecology of language,studies has shown that a superior teacher's language can affect weak learner's ethnic group language in the hand of such superior teacher's language, if migration or contact arises for whatever reason.
Some examples, the Yoruba language infiltrate Igodomigodo language, in which traces of Yoruba language mixed up with Igodomigodo.
Ibo language having contact with Yoruboid language which makes some Ibo lexicon becomes corruptly pronounced in one way or the other which easily makes such cognates.
Another example is imposition of English language by the British colonialist who use her language as a means of communication in her colonies.
Interestingly, Yoruba language has a means of survival in Nigeria because of Ifaodu( highly detailed sacred memoir of Yoruba religious beliefs and worldview. Besides, the English language borrowed a lot from the Hebrew and the Hebrew-Arabic are enshrined in Yoruba Ifaodu.
The same can be said about Hausa language and her people of a high probability of survival though with heavy influence from Arabic language.etc
Plainly , Oduduwa has history in ifaodu and also in Ileife. So Erroneously information that has littered made it looks like Oduduwa the man is not Yoruba but Edo ? Mind you, Edo people lied or their scholars or kings courtyard historians lied about Oduduwa being on throne when Ileife was visited by the Edo chiefs. Oduduwa the man was long gone.
In between, I am waiting for your answers.
Your response seems too much for him, don't expect any reasonable response other than the usual conjectures. You should have leave it at the question stages. Anyway, good write up there keep winning, as we go into the year 2022 I hope Bini delusionists would find internal peace
Could you please post a link to where you and I began this particular exchange you’re talking about?
I am requesting so everyone can read from that point all the way to see what my argument actually was and to see how our exchange went.
I am requesting so everyone can see whether or not I alleged that Oduduwa is from Ọrà simply because S. A. Akintoye documented it.
Thanks bro. —————— PS: For clarity, king Oodua is from Òkè-Ọrà not merely because this information was captured into writing in the mid/late-1900s, and not merely because Akintoye too captured it in another peer-reviewed work. He is from there for the reason that this truth is present in the indigenous and traditional narrative of Ife and of the Yoruba people in general prior to the emergence of the Johnsonian hypothesis which is rooted in Sultan Bello’s supposition on the origins of Yorubas.
Cheers.
You make me laugh...
Present in which ife tradition prior to Johnson work Oduduwa is an invention of sultan Bello and Johnson improved on it
Hope you brought some new lies your old ones are already stale......
You should be busy proving the existence of Oduduwa before any of your lies towards benin will resurface AreaFada2 Etinosa1234 Valirex Ghostwon Davidnazee Samuk
[quote author=niggadee post=105125519]Oba of benin na yoruba man you benin people too stubborn like goat do your calculation yoruba population big pass una and yoruba civilised benin empire[/quote
Please do not call truth sh.it, instead of the Yoruba to give credit to Edo nation for being the one that first brought civilization to them before Fulani finally colonies the Yoruba before British came, Yoruba be rewriting history to reduce Edo their ancestral land
You mean the way Oranmiyan our father trashed the useless Ogisos of Edo descendants and installed the sophisticated political system of the great Yoruba people.
YungMillionaire: Reading through these posts I feel really embarrassed for the way the Bini revisionists go about their propaganda. It's pathetic and stupid. In Delta we have a lot of regard for Bini. But what I see on social media (not just Nairaland but twitter, tiktok etc.) makes me sad. How can you represent Bini by spreading easily debunkable lies all over the internet? This is weak and smacks of low self esteem. If you must lie at least do your homework to make sure that the lies are spurious enough to convince a few of the neutrals. Just like the ridiculous lie that turned Oduduwa an Ife man to a Bini man, these blatant lies will continue to expose you guys as incompetent propagandists. The reason some Binis desire to cut their obvious link with Yorubas is jealousy. They are jealous because Yoruba culture is very dominant. But if they are smart, they would preserve the link and use their strong Yoruba heritage to expand Bini influence (Yes I said it. Bini royalty was founded by Ife. The same way Itsekiri royalty was founded by Bini. Infact the only reason Itsekiri accepted a Bini prince was because it was understood that Bini royalty is Yoruba). But they won't do this because for some reason they foolishly think the only way to expand Bini influence is to destroy Yoruba heritage (an impossible task. How can you use weak online propaganda to destroy something centuries of slave trade and slavery could not destroy?). This is one of the dumbest strategies I have ever seen in my life. I know it is tough to be a minority tribe but stupidity will not give you relevance. Most of the places you go outside of Nigeria the only two tribes most people know are Yoruba and Igbo. If you go to France and say 'Bini' they think you are talking of Benin Republic. If you travel to South America the ONLY Nigerian words that ring a bell is Yoruba, Ife, and the names of the Yoruba dieties. So for those minority tribes in the South who have strong connections with Yorubas or Igbos why not take advantage of this connection rather than fight it? If I go to Brazil, Cuba, Colombia etc. as an Itsekiri man why shouldn't I emphasize my Yoruba heritage and still educate about my unique Itsekiri experience? Why shouldn't a Bini man do the same? Why lie to deny yourself of a rich cultural experience? Stupidity is a disease. It renders its victim blind to reality and wisdom. I weep for stupid people. There is no hope for them in this life.
Chai! Boss i respect you, you have said things the way they are and ought to be
You mean the way Oranmiyan our father trashed the useless Ogisos of Edo descendants and installed the sophisticated political system of the great Yoruba people.
First of all oromiyan never existed take that shit out of your brain
First of all oromiyan never existed take that shit out of your brain [/qu
No Oranmiyan no Oba of Benin No Oranmiyan no civilization for Benin. No Oranmiyan,no Ogun, no shango, no olokun, no aiyelala, no ifa for Benin.
Without Oranmiyan there is no BENIN!!!!!
You should learn to be grateful the Yorubas for their wisdom, the wit and their generosity for given igodomido a Yoruba blood to rule of over them and save them from useless and backward Ogisos.
