ednut1:
One of them split from the other at some point. Likely the Yoruba who moved south wards

Chnbanc:
what of EBIRA?
They no relate una?

scholes0:
Igala It looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.

Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.

1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their oral vowel equivalents.
Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.

* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc....
Here are some RULES:

Rule A*: Oral vowel ending to open ending. Middle diphthong eliminated when present
Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu
Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi
Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu
Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi
Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ
Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu
Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu
Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu
Fañ (blow) - Fa
Agañ (barren) - Aga
Kañ (sour) - Ka
Okañ (one) - Oka
Oduñ (year) - Odo
Agbañ (chin) - Agba
Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu
Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa
Oyañ (breats) - Eñya
Idiñ (maggot) - Ide
Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko
Tituñ (new) - Tito

Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa
Kekere (small) - Kekele
Irawo (star) - Ilawo
Iri (dew/mist) - eli
Olu (lord) - Onu
Ro (cultivate) - Lo
Olamide (name) - Uramide
Iru (seed) - ilu
Akere (toad) - Akele
Ra (buy) - La
Erira (ants) - Elila
Ri (see) - Li
Ora (fat) - Ula
Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe

Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L
Ese (leg) - Ere
Eso (fruit) - Ero
Se (block) - Re
Sø (throw) - Rø

Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH
It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.

Sheyi (done this) - Cheyi
Oshu (moon) - Ochu
Ishu (yam) - Uchu
Ashe (authority) - Ache
Isha (pot) - Ucha
Shu (defecate) - Chu

Rule E* Consonant mutation J to BŸ
Aja (dog) - Abya
Eje (seven) - Ebye
Ẹjɛ (blood) - Ẹbyɛ

Rule F* Consonant mutation W to GW just like in the South-Eastern Yorubaland dialects
Ewa (beans) - Egwa
Ku (die) - Kwu
Gun (pound) - Gwu
Ekun (cry) - Ekwu
Oogun (sweat) - Uugwu
Wɛ (wash/bath) - Gwɛ

Rule G*: Consonant mutation L to N
Oluku (friend) - Onukwu
Ile/Ale (land) - Ane
Ale (night) - Ane
Ala (dream) - Ona
Ola (tomorrow) - Ona

Rule A* + B*
Eriñ (four)- Ele
Oruñ (neck) - Olu
Iruñ (hair) - Ilo
Aruñ (five) - Alu
Oruñ (sun) - Olu
Eruru (ashes) - Elulu

Rule A* + C*
Esañ (nine) - Ela
Suñ (sleep) - Lu

Rule A* +D*
Eshiñshiñ (housefly) - Achichi

Rule A* + F*
Egunguñ (bone) - Ogwugwu
Iguñnu (vulture) - Ugwunu
Oguñ (twenty) - Ogwu

Rule A* +G*
Olokuñriñ (man) - Onokele
Olobiñriń (woman) - Onobule

Rule B* + C*
Sure (run/hasten) - Rule

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Other Minor differencess with irregular rules
Bayii (like this) - Abayii
Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø
Owo (money) - Oko
Wo (look) - Go
Ijo (dance) - Ido
Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya
Oru (midnight) - Odu
Eru (slave) -Adu
Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo
Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe

And finally,False friend cognates
Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed
Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat

Du in Yoruba - To contest an object
Du in Igala - To take an object

Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy
Oyu in Igala = Fat

Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice
Ebo in Igala - Deity

Edø in Yoruba = Liver
Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest

Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces
Uwewe in igala = Many


With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.

Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.

scholes0:
Igala It looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.

Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.

1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their oral vowel equivalents.
Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.

* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc....
Here are some RULES:

Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present
Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu
Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi
Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu
Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi
Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ
Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu
Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu
Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu
Fañ (blow) - Fa
Agañ (barren) - Aga
Kañ (sour) - Ka
Okañ (one) - Oka
Oduñ (year) - Odo
Agbañ (chin) - Agba
Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu
Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa
Oyañ (breats) - Eñya
Idiñ (maggot) - Ide
Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko
Tituñ (new) - Tito

Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa
Kekere (small) - Kekele
Irawo (star) - Ilawo
Iri (dew/mist) - eli
Olu (lord) - Onu
Ro (cultivate) - Lo
Olamide (name) - Uramide
Iru (seed) - ilu
Akere (toad) - Akele
Ra (buy) - La
Erira (ants) - Elila
Ri (see) - Li
Ora (fat) - Ula
Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe

Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L
Ese (leg) - Ere
Eso (fruit) - Ero
Se (block) - Re
Sø (throw) - Rø

Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH
It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.

Sheyi (done this) - Cheyi
Oshu (moon) - Ochu
Ishu (yam) - Uchu
Ashe (authority) - Ache
Isha (pot) - Ucha
Shu (defecate) - Chu

Rule E* Consonant mutation J to BŸ
Aja (dog) - Abya
Eje (seven) - Ebye
Ẹjɛ (blood) - Ẹbyɛ

Rule F* Consonant mutation W to GW just like in the South-Eastern Yorubaland dialects
Ewa (beans) - Egwa
Ku (die) - Kwu
Gun (pound) - Gwu
Ekun (cry) - Ekwu
Oogun (sweat) - Uugwu
Wɛ (wash/bath) - Gwɛ

Rule G*: Consonant mutation L to N
Oluku (friend) - Onukwu
Ile/Ale (land) - Ane
Ale (night) - Ane
Ala (dream) - Ona
Ola (tomorrow) - Ona

Rule A* + B*
Eriñ (four)- Ele
Oruñ (neck) - Olu
Iruñ (hair) - Ilo
Aruñ (five) - Alu
Oruñ (sun) - Olu
Eruru (ashes) - Elulu

Rule A* + C*
Esañ (nine) - Ela
Suñ (sleep) - Lu

Rule A* +D*
Eshiñshiñ (housefly) - Achichi

Rule A* + F*
Egunguñ (bone) - Ogwugwu
Iguñnu (vulture) - Ugwunu
Oguñ (twenty) - Ogwu

Rule A* +G*
Olokuñriñ (man) - Onokele
Olobiñriń (woman) - Onobule

Rule B* + C*
Sure (run/hasten) - Rule

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Other Minor differencess with irregular rules
Bayii (like this) - Abayii
Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø
Owo (money) - Oko
Wo (look) - Go
Ijo (dance) - Ido
Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya
Oru (midnight) - Odu
Eru (slave) -Adu
Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo
Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe

And finally,False friend cognates
Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed
Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat

Du in Yoruba - To contest an object
Du in Igala - To take an object

Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy
Oyu in Igala = Fat

Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice
Ebo in Igala - Deity

Edø in Yoruba = Liver
Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest

Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces
Uwewe in igala = Many


With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.

Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.

scholes0:
Igala It looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.

Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.

1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their oral vowel equivalents.
Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.

* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc....
Here are some RULES:

Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present
Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu
Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi
Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu
Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi
Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ
Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu
Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu
Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu
Fañ (blow) - Fa
Agañ (barren) - Aga
Kañ (sour) - Ka
Okañ (one) - Oka
Oduñ (year) - Odo
Agbañ (chin) - Agba
Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu
Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa
Oyañ (breats) - Eñya
Idiñ (maggot) - Ide
Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko
Tituñ (new) - Tito

Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa
Kekere (small) - Kekele
Irawo (star) - Ilawo
Iri (dew/mist) - eli
Olu (lord) - Onu
Ro (cultivate) - Lo
Olamide (name) - Uramide
Iru (seed) - ilu
Akere (toad) - Akele
Ra (buy) - La
Erira (ants) - Elila
Ri (see) - Li
Ora (fat) - Ula
Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe

Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L
Ese (leg) - Ere
Eso (fruit) - Ero
Se (block) - Re
Sø (throw) - Rø

Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH
It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.

Sheyi (done this) - Cheyi
Oshu (moon) - Ochu
Ishu (yam) - Uchu
Ashe (authority) - Ache
Isha (pot) - Ucha
Shu (defecate) - Chu

Rule E* Consonant mutation J to BŸ
Aja (dog) - Abya
Eje (seven) - Ebye
Ẹjɛ (blood) - Ẹbyɛ

Rule F* Consonant mutation W to GW just like in the South-Eastern Yorubaland dialects
Ewa (beans) - Egwa
Ku (die) - Kwu
Gun (pound) - Gwu
Ekun (cry) - Ekwu
Oogun (sweat) - Uugwu
Wɛ (wash/bath) - Gwɛ

Rule G*: Consonant mutation L to N
Oluku (friend) - Onukwu
Ile/Ale (land) - Ane
Ale (night) - Ane
Ala (dream) - Ona
Ola (tomorrow) - Ona

Rule A* + B*
Eriñ (four)- Ele
Oruñ (neck) - Olu
Iruñ (hair) - Ilo
Aruñ (five) - Alu
Oruñ (sun) - Olu
Eruru (ashes) - Elulu

Rule A* + C*
Esañ (nine) - Ela
Suñ (sleep) - Lu

Rule A* +D*
Eshiñshiñ (housefly) - Achichi

Rule A* + F*
Egunguñ (bone) - Ogwugwu
Iguñnu (vulture) - Ugwunu
Oguñ (twenty) - Ogwu

Rule A* +G*
Olokuñriñ (man) - Onokele
Olobiñriń (woman) - Onobule

Rule B* + C*
Sure (run/hasten) - Rule

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Other Minor differencess with irregular rules
Bayii (like this) - Abayii
Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø
Owo (money) - Oko
Wo (look) - Go
Ijo (dance) - Ido
Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya
Oru (midnight) - Odu
Eru (slave) -Adu
Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo
Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe

And finally,False friend cognates
Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed
Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat

Du in Yoruba - To contest an object
Du in Igala - To take an object

Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy
Oyu in Igala = Fat

Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice
Ebo in Igala - Deity

Edø in Yoruba = Liver
Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest

Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces
Uwewe in igala = Many


With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.

Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.

Chnbanc:
what of EBIRA?
They no relate una?

scholes0:


Pls stick to what you know, or calm down and stop gettting your panties in a bunch.
I said Olukumi sounds like heavily modified archaic Yoruba, I never said it is the archaic Yoruba, maybe you have comprehension issues..... If you have any contrary opinions, express it. It is an established fact that the NW Yoruba dialects (Your Oyo, Egba, Ibarapa and co) are the newest and latest evolving Yoruba dialects while the eastern dialects ( your Ekiti, Ufe, Ijebu, Owo, Ondo, Okun of Kogi and co) are the most archaic and stable... That is why the vocabulary of Igala is closer to that of the eastern dialects but with heavy mutations due to contact with Idoma and Igbo.

Igala and Olukumi do not belong to the same time period.
All linguists agree that Igala and the modern Yoruba dialects split off from a previous common proto language... so I don't know how any well informed person will be comparing the chronology of Olukumi vis-a-vis Yoruba with that of Igala, which shares a much more antiquated level of relationship.

Ps: Who told you there is nothing like Olokunrin in Yoruba. Stop overreaching yourself please.... or better still, just stick to your dialect and stay there.
And even if that was the case, where exactly are the exaggerations? because apart from that one example out of all those I have listed up there you haven't pointed to any other one.

Subsaharan:


They are all from the Niger-congoid family of languages. They all emanated from a Proto language, no one is superior to the other.

Olu317:
Historical relationship exist for centuries due to the interactive nature of these two groups and more .

Although, Igala is a deer in Yoruba language remains a crossbreed of the people identified as Yorubas and Tapa extract. The word igala is identified as an animal name.

Originally,the oral history says, one of oranmiyan descendant was the founder of Igala with heavy influence of Tapa group and they are with knowledge of of ifa esoteric but not in full that is in accordance to Yoruba's ifa divination system.

Bankysterian:
Nice one linguist
There is a hidden anthropological relationship contact in the both language.
From the phonology to syntax and sociolingua

Chnbanc:
what of EBIRA?
They no relate una?

fadal:
I don't know bout that but I know haussas says wahala just like the yorubas

Realtalk20:
Why are these people always trying to famz and party with a tribe.

That's how yesterday one of them was telling me that we Bini people are Yoruba and understand them. That Oba is under their king..

There is something somewhere.
How can a whole tribe feel so insecure and always want to add other under them?

ednut1:
One of them split from the other at some point. Likely the Yoruba who moved south wards

Olu317:

How do you mean Archaic Yoruba ? I will advise you consult extensively before assumption because misleading the public can be infectious. So,kindly do more research than posting submission as this.

Plainly, Igala has never been archaic Yoruba. The Olukwu still speak a dialect of Yoruba being encircled by heavy Ibo speakers.Yet the language cum dialect still retain its Yoruba dialect.

This people had lived in around the era Igala was formed which is over 800 years old and still retain Yoruba dialect . Therefore do not pressume on the Igala language.

So, redirect your research to the fact than asserting such view as "Archaic Yoruba language". The Igala language is not not not "Archaic Yoruba."

Furthermore, the comparison are in some true cognate but exaggeration exist in some areas you thought they same. For instance

There is nothing as Olokunrin or Olobinrin in Yoruba language. Appropriateley, it Okunrin/Ọkunrin or Obinrin/Obiri. Infact, Ajayi Crowther created Arabinrin and Arakunrin which never existed in Yoruba lexicon of ancient times.

Again, the comparison of Igala words with Yorubas still do not have synonymous words for the Yoruba words which differs from Igala's language.

So, kindly take note because all families are in iléifẹ to confirm whoever is telling false positing truth.

scholes0:
Igala It looks like heavily modified archaic Yoruba.

Many of the words are the same. For those that are not exactly the same, I observed the following changes/modifications.

1) I noticed keenly that they have evolved to replace nasal vowel (Añ, Eñ, Iñ, Oñ, Uñ Etc) endings in Yoruba with their open oral vowel equivalents.
Because Yoruba has 7 oral and 7 nasal vowels... but seems Igala has only oral ones.

* And also some consonant mutation in Igala , i.e (R to L), (L to N), (J to Bÿ), (S to R/L) etc....
Here are some RULES:

Rule A*: Nasal vowel ending words in Yoruba to open vowel ending in Igala. Middle diphthong eliminated when present
Jeuñ (eat) - Jeñwu
Igbiñ (snail) - Igbi
Ohuñ (thing) - Eñwu
Eyiñ (tooth) - Eñyi
Ọkuñ (illipede) - Ọkọ
Eguñ (ancestors) - Egwu
Oguñ (medicine) - Ogwu
Fuñfuñ (white) - Fufu
Fañ (blow) - Fa
Agañ (barren) - Aga
Kañ (sour) - Ka
Okañ (one) - Oka
Oduñ (year) - Odo
Agbañ (chin) - Agba
Ouñ (he/she/it) - Oñwu
Ofuñ (throat) - Ofa
Oyañ (breats) - Eñya
Idiñ (maggot) - Ide
Ekuñ (leopard) - Eko
Tituñ (new) - Tito

Rule B* Consonant mutation R to L and vice versa
Kekere (small) - Kekele
Irawo (star) - Ilawo
Iri (dew/mist) - eli
Olu (lord) - Onu
Ro (cultivate) - Lo
Olamide (name) - Uramide
Iru (seed) - ilu
Akere (toad) - Akele
Ra (buy) - La
Erira (ants) - Elila
Ri (see) - Li
Ora (fat) - Ula
Oruñgbe (thirst) - Olugbe

Rule C* Consonant mutation S to R/L
Ese (leg) - Ere
Eso (fruit) - Ero
Se (block) - Re
Sø (throw) - Rø

Rule D* Consonant mutation S and SH to CH
It seems like the “Sh” sound in absent in some Igala dialects , and they replace with a 'CH'... These dialects that lack the the SH sound seem to have become the standard for the whole of Igala.

Sheyi (done this) - Cheyi
Oshu (moon) - Ochu
Ishu (yam) - Uchu
Ashe (authority) - Ache
Isha (pot) - Ucha
Shu (defecate) - Chu

Rule E* Consonant mutation J to BŸ
Aja (dog) - Abya
Eje (seven) - Ebye
Ẹjɛ (blood) - Ẹbyɛ

Rule F* Consonant mutation W to GW just like in the South-Eastern Yorubaland dialects
Ewa (beans) - Egwa
Ku (die) - Kwu
Gun (pound) - Gwu
Ekun (cry) - Ekwu
Oogun (sweat) - Uugwu
Wɛ (wash/bath) - Gwɛ

Rule G*: Consonant mutation L to N
Oluku (friend) - Onukwu
Ile/Ale (land) - Ane
Ale (night) - Ane
Ala (dream) - Ona
Ola (tomorrow) - Ona

Rule A* + B*
Eriñ (four)- Ele
Oruñ (neck) - Olu
Iruñ (hair) - Ilo
Aruñ (five) - Alu
Oruñ (sun) - Olu
Eruru (ashes) - Elulu

Rule A* + C*
Esañ (nine) - Ela
Suñ (sleep) - Lu

Rule A* +D*
Eshiñshiñ (housefly) - Achichi

Rule A* + F*
Egunguñ (bone) - Ogwugwu
Iguñnu (vulture) - Ugwunu
Oguñ (twenty) - Ogwu

Rule A* +G*
Olokuñriñ (man) - Onokele
Olobiñriń (woman) - Onobule

Rule B* + C*
Sure (run/hasten) - Rule

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Other Minor differencess with irregular rules
Bayii (like this) - Abayii
Øbɛ (soup) - Øbø
Owo (money) - Oko
Wo (look) - Go
Ijo (dance) - Ido
Monamona (lightening) - Omamañya
Oru (midnight) - Odu
Eru (slave) -Adu
Ehoro (rabbit) - Efolo
Adiye (hen) - Ajuwe

And finally,False friend cognates
Yo in Yoruba = Fully fed
Yo in Igala = Plump / Fat

Du in Yoruba - To contest an object
Du in Igala - To take an object

Oyuñ in Yoruba = Pregnancy
Oyu in Igala = Fat

Ebo in Yoruba - Sacrifice
Ebo in Igala - Deity

Edø in Yoruba = Liver
Edø in Igala = Heart/Chest

Wewe in Yoruba = Pieces
Uwewe in igala = Many

There are many countless words that are exactly the same in both languages and need no further elucidation, since we are focusing more on what has made the two languages different over time.
That being said, there are many other words too that are very different... Hence the reason why Igala approximately shares only about 64% or so, word cognates with the General Yoruba we speak. The 40% that do not align between both is already enough to make inter-comprehension between both very hard... The biggest chunk of non Yoruboid words in Igala is from Idoma according to some research.

With this, I would give a Yoruba - give or take 6 months to master this language under complete exposure like going to live in Idah or Dekina.

Yoruba is Igala Pro Max. Once you master the grammatical rule of thumb in the formula required to convert from one dialect gloss to the other gloss ... you will master the language sharply.

Chnbanc:
what of EBIRA?
They no relate una?

ariesbull:
the igaks man said that they are closely related to the igbo than the yoruba and the man had his reasons

They don't want to be associated with....

shortIGBOman:


Biafra only consist of 4 IGBO indegineous States. Which are Ebonyi, Imo, Abia and some part of Enugu. Major parts of Enugu and the entire Anambra State are IGALA ancestral Land.

inverseparanoia:
As an igala person, if I listened carefully to Yoruba conversation, I may not understand everything but will surely have an idea of what they are discussing...