FxMasterz:

There's a Witness that has always been there from the beginning. He will be there even after the end.

The purported Witness wrote nothing.

LordReed:


The purported Witness wrote nothing.

According to you.

Talktalk2022:
FxMasterz & his telegram group Robot Factory or Robot Factory group is a notorious scammer! He has scammed so many people on Nairaland & telegram . Run away from him. He has other monikers. Beware!

Refund my 500k!!

FxMasterz is a fraudster . I'll deal mercilessly with you until your life becomes disgusting to your parents. You wicked polluted son of a criminal. You've bitten more than what you can chew. Just be on the lookout for me

FxMasterz, i don't know who you are but you need to return what doesn't belong to you.

Image123:


FxMasterz, i don't know who you are but you need to return what doesn't belong to you.

Are you minding the fool? He's a mad boy. So, why concern yourself with a mad fellow? I owe him nothing. He should return what he owes me.

FxMasterz:

Are you minding the fool? He's a mad boy. So, why concern yourself with a mad fellow? I owe him nothing. He should return what he owes me.

The both of you quoted me na.

FxMasterz:

According to you.

According to reality.

Image123:


The both of you quoted me na.

I'm the complainant. He is on blackmail. I'll arrest him soon.

LordReed:


According to reality.

Are you the reality?

FxMasterz:

Are you the reality?

I am part of reality, your Witness is not.

LordReed:


I am part of reality, your Witness is not.

My witness has been before you and would continue after you're long gone. You met Him here and got to know about Him as you grew up. He'll still be here when you cease eternally. You're not the reality. You're just an illusion. There's no guarantee that you'll be here tomorrow.

FxMasterz:

My witness has been before you and would continue after you're long gone. You met Him here and got to know about Him as you grew up. He'll still be here when you cease eternally. You're not the reality. You're just an illusion. There's no guarantee that you'll be here tomorrow.

Your Witness does not exist and so has never been a part of reality.

LordReed:


Your Witness does not exist and so has never been a part of reality.

According to you. Can you prove that?

FxMasterz:

Please would you be specific?

Regarding the sun standing still. That was an experience Joshua had with his armies. We can't tell whether the phenomenon spread to other places as well. Scientifically speaking, it should. But then, the people would only observe the phenomenon without knowing why or how it happened. Only Joshua and his people did. So, that can't be part of anybody's history.

Im referring to this group of people in your post regarding the sun/moon standing still

FxMasterz:

According to you. Can you prove that?

According to reality. Very simple, tell me where in this reality your Witness resides, nowhere.

LordReed:


According to reality. Very simple, tell me where in this reality your Witness resides, nowhere.

Using a question to answer a question. I know where He resides.

jaephoenix:


Regarding the sun standing still. That was an experience Joshua had with his armies. We can't tell whether the phenomenon spread to other
places as well. Scientifically speaking, it should. But then, the people would only observe the phenomenon without knowing why or how it happened. Only Joshua and his people did. So, that can't be part of anybody's history.

Im referring to this group of people in your post regarding the sun/moon standing still

Where are those people today? That's my question.

FxMasterz:

Using a question to answer a question. I know where He resides.

I answered the question. Your Witness does not reside anywhere because it doesn't exist.

LordReed:


I answered the question. Your Witness does not reside anywhere because it doesn't exist.

I said prove it.

FxMasterz:

Who record events? The participators or the spectators?

Has archeology reached a perfect state where nothing more could be found?

Who should record the flood of Noah, the people swept away by the flood? Or you mean that archeologists should unearth the flood of Noah?

You only read from pages that criticise the Bible, and even if you read anything that provides evidence for Biblical events, you always chose to believe the ones that argue against the evidence.

This your bias would lead you somewhere.

1. Both participants and spectators can record events. Eclipses in the ancient days were recorded by spectators. The ancient Egyptians recorded their pyramid building progress, as participants.
2. There's nothing like perfect state in archeological findings. The depth at which an artifact is found does not, by itself, indicate age. Soil isn’t deposited at a constant rate, even in a small area. Rates of deposition are very much dependent on local geography, climate, and biological activity. Post-depositional activity can disturb relative positions (for example, plowing can raise things up or push them down). And artifacts can be deliberately buried, cutting through layers of soil.However, the depth at which an item is buried can assist in dating an artifact, or at least assist in dating when it was buried. The law of stratigraphy is that things buried deeper down are older. What you find on top is newest, stuff under that is older, stuff under that is older still, and so on. The artifacts that are supposed to be found around the supposed Bible period have been found and documented. But none of the Bible artifacts, relics, stele can be found. So let’s say that in some layer of soil you find the remains of a mosaic which, judging by the style, was probably made around 100 AD. You find some not-immediately-dateable pottery some distance below that, and some charcoal even farther down. With C-14 dating, it appears that the charcoal dates to around 500 BC. You’ve now got a couple of dates bracketing that pottery. Because it’s above the charcoal, it has to be newer than 500 BC, but because it’s beneath the mosaic, it’s got to be older than 100 AD. The depth, then, hasn’t told you how old the pottery is by itself, but along with other information, it does.
3. The creation and flood stories were supposed to be documented by Moses as Yahweh's scribe. However, this can be disregarded. Why
A. Like I have explained earlier(maybe not in this thread) there was no evidence Moses existed
B. The rocks and soil of Earth has been studied and scientists found out, there's no way something as big as a flood would have covered the whole world. Worse still, where did all the water go?
C. The story of the flood was copied from Epic of Gilgamesh and Mesopotamia flood stories which all predated the Bible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth
Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh." These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.

"The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."

Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean. There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history. copied
4. Bro I have a scientific mind. And science loves to disprove itself. What may be true today may be wrong tomorrow. So if you have evidence the flood or any Bible event happened, please let me know. I'll humbly recant. I'm not in any religion that says 'believe it by faith' irrespective of the glaring evidence against it

jaephoenix:

1. Both participants and spectators can record events. Eclipses in the ancient days were recorded by spectators. The ancient Egyptians recorded their pyramid building progress, as participants.
2. There's nothing like perfect state in archeological findings. The depth at which an artifact is found does not, by itself, indicate age. Soil isn’t deposited at a constant rate, even in a small area. Rates of deposition are very much dependent on local geography, climate, and biological activity. Post-depositional activity can disturb relative positions (for example, plowing can raise things up or push them down). And artifacts can be deliberately buried, cutting through layers of soil.However, the depth at which an item is buried can assist in dating an artifact, or at least assist in dating when it was buried. The law of stratigraphy is that things buried deeper down are older. What you find on top is newest, stuff under that is older, stuff under that is older still, and so on. The artifacts that are supposed to be found around the supposed Bible period have been found and documented. But none of the Bible artifacts, relics, stele can be found. So let’s say that in some layer of soil you find the remains of a mosaic which, judging by the style, was probably made around 100 AD. You find some not-immediately-dateable pottery some distance below that, and some charcoal even farther down. With C-14 dating, it appears that the charcoal dates to around 500 BC. You’ve now got a couple of dates bracketing that pottery. Because it’s above the charcoal, it has to be newer than 500 BC, but because it’s beneath the mosaic, it’s got to be older than 100 AD. The depth, then, hasn’t told you how old the pottery is by itself, but along with other information, it does.
3. The creation and flood stories were supposed to be documented by Moses as Yahweh's scribe. However, this can be disregarded. Why
A. Like I have explained earlier(maybe not in this thread) there was no evidence Moses existed
B. The rocks and soil of Earth has been studied and scientists found out, there's no way something as big as a flood would have covered the whole world. Worse still, where did all the water go?
C. The story of the flood was copied from Epic of Gilgamesh and Mesopotamia flood stories which all predated the Bible.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth
Some of the details of the Noah story seem mythical, so many biblical scholars believe the story of Noah and the Ark was inspired by the legendary flood stories of nearby Mesopotamia, in particular "The Epic of Gilgamesh." These ancient narratives were already being passed down from one generation to the next, centuries before Noah appeared in the Bible.

"The earlier Mesopotamian stories are very similar where the gods are sending a flood to wipe out humans," said biblical archaeologist Eric Cline. "There's one man they choose to survive. He builds a boat and brings on animals and lands on a mountain and lives happily ever after? I would argue that it's the same story."

Catastrophic events of this kind are not unique to the Bible. Some contemporary examples include the 2004 tsunami that wiped out villages on the coasts of 11 countries surrounding the Indian Ocean. There was also Hurricane Katrina, described as the worst hurricane in United States history. copied
4. Bro I have a scientific mind. And science loves to disprove itself. What may be true today may be wrong tomorrow. So if you have evidence the flood or any Bible event happened, please let me know. I'll humbly recant. I'm not in any religion that says 'believe it by faith' irrespective of the glaring evidence against it

If there has never been a flood, why would the story be found in other cultures?
.
Remember that, story telling predates book writing. The only way people could pass information to the next generation is by telling stories which could later on be regarded as myths to those who were born thousands of years later.

The Bible gives better clarifications of the story than what those cultures present. In the Bible we have the full details of the event.

First tell me what science must find to prove a flood. The Bible recorded that before the time of the flood, there never had been a rainfall. Grasses were watered by mists. So, let's know the evidence that science wants to see. Is it the ark of Noah that was made of wood? Do you expect such an ark to survive after 5,000 years?

The name Noah is present in some cultures that never read the Bible, and were virtually unknown to Moses.

The fact that there are stories of the flood in more ancient cultures is in itself a proof and not a refutation.

FxMasterz:

I said prove it.

I just did. You prove that your Witness exists.

FxMasterz:

If there has never been a flood, why would the story be found in other cultures?

Because floods are a phenomenon wherever there are large bodies of water.

LordReed:


I just did. You prove that your Witness exists.

You have not proved that He doesn't.

LordReed:


Because floods are a phenomenon wherever there are large bodies of water.

You shot yourself in the leg.

FxMasterz:

You shot yourself in the leg.

Nope. Do you not know simple geography?

FxMasterz:

You have not proved that He doesn't.

Great. Now prove that the Witness exists.

LordReed:


Great. Now prove that the Witness exists.

After you must have proven that He doesn't.

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Nope. Do you not know simple geography?[/quite]

Of course, you did. My position was that a real flood must have happened for such stories of a flood to find its way into many cultures. You just confirmed that in your last post.

FxMasterz:

Special Notice
Talktalk2022 is a Scammer boy who made away with my 200k. Rather than return my money to me, he retorted to blackmail. I'll deal mercilessly with the criminal until his life becomes disgusting to his parents.

You wicked polluted son of a criminal called talktalk2022, You've bitten more than what you can chew. Just be on the lookout for me.
Nairanlanders please tell the criminal to return my money.

Who’s talktalk2022?

FxMasterz:

After you must have proven that He doesn't.

LoLz. OK.

FxMasterz:
Of course, you did. My position was that a real flood must have happened for such stories of a flood to find its way into many cultures. You just confirmed that in your last post.

LoLz. So if someone experiences a flood around the Nile it means some other person who lives near the Niger also experienced the flood of the Nile because floods are all the same.

LordReed:


LoLz. So if someone experiences a flood around the Nile it means some other person who lives near the Niger also experienced the flood of the Nile because floods are all the same.

This response is illogical. We were talking about a global flood.