tctrills:
Did God expect Adam to fall? Yes. Just the same way he knows that we all would fall in sin at one point or the other. That was why he provided a way even before the creation of the world.
1 Peter 1:19-20

Dtruthspeaker:


Mad twisted wish fuelled delusions of a condemned criminal.

"Denying The Truth, does not change The Truth"

Snitch24:
You could have just Keep quiet

Dtruthspeaker:


Mad twisted wish fuelled delusions of a condemned criminal.

"Denying The Truth, does not change The Truth"

Your "holy ghost" given him the revelation.
TWISTED Trinitarians.

Janosky:

Your "holy ghost" given him the revelation.
TWISTED Trinitarians.

tctrills:

You are entitled to your opinion but as always I depend on the scriptures rather than nag like a woman

Dtruthspeaker:


The scriptures are too well known that Christ is God's Son therefore, He was there before Adam.

And that God had already put man in The Way, so he does not need salvation

Dtruthspeaker:


Jw devil has come with his madness and now even blasphemy has entered. Ah jw don kill you finish. Max, Aemyjah, see your end.

Oga, enjoy your beef with your Trinitarian brethren, Tctrill
Nah your own "holy ghost" dey give am revelation.

tctrills:

The point is not that Christ existed before Adam. The scriptures I quoted teach that Christ was already chosen as the sacrificial lamb before the world was created.
And why was he chosen? Because God knew that Man would most definitely sin.

Janosky:


Oga, enjoy your beef with your Trinitarian brethren, Tctrill
Nah your own "holy ghost" dey give am revelation.

Dtruthspeaker:


The scripture did not say that Christ was chosen as the sacrificial lamb before the world was created.

It only acknowledges that Christ is Our God; He Who is called "Lord God" at the beginning which is why we say Christ is The Lord.

The parable of the wicked husbandmen. Mathew 21:33-46 has already told you how it is and why/how Christ came to do His own part.

tctrills:
Did God expect Adam to fall? Yes. Just the same way he knows that we all would fall in sin at one point or the other. That was why he provided a way even before the creation of the world.
1 Peter 1:19-20

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Rev. 13. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Without Adam, there would be not Christ and Savior.
Without Christ, we can't go back to God.

Dtruthspeaker:


Mad twisted wish fuelled delusions of a condemned criminal.

"Denying The Truth, does not change The Truth"

Everyone knows that Peter was talking about Christ's coming to send us back to The Way God had set for when He created us.

But herecomes the criminal who because of your fullness of sins is now trying to stretch it out of proportions even to the pre Adam stage.

No how much you twist the Bible, your sins won't be washed away and you would still remain a condemned soul.

Dtruthspeaker:


Jw devil has come with his madness and now even blasphemy has entered. Ah jw don kill you finish. Max, Aemyjah, see your end.

jaephoenix:

He knew Adam would fall but still went ahead to plant the forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden, with the best fruits? Really?

tctrills:

Yes. Would you prevent your son from going to school even when you know he would be bullied.
That's why he gave us Christ to overcome the effects of Adam's fall

jaephoenix:

When the source of the bullying is from me, then I need psychiatric evaluation. How can I send my son to school and still pay bullies to assault him?
Its the same scenario here. Yahweh (purportedly) created Adam, Satan, the forbidden tree. So why did he set up Adam knowing he'll fail?
Why did he create the forbidden tree in the first place? And he allowed Satan to deceive Adam, knowing he'll succumb?
Remember he gave Satan power and knows what he can do.
THINK

tctrills:

I am not such you have a child. As a parent, you don't fight all you child's bullies. Would you also fight for them if they are being [b]bullied online? [/b]You allow you child to learn to stand up for himself.
He created all to give man the gift of choice and to allow him have experience.
There is a reason he did not create man and keep him in heaven under his protection. Rather he gave us the opportunity to learn, make mistakes, grow and experience good and bad

jaephoenix:

You still don't understand. And I suspect, you don't want to understand(since the regular theistic mind is incapable of brainstorming outside the religious box).
What if I, the father, i am responsible for hiring the bullies that would beat up the child, and make him fail his exams? Isn't that worthy of a mental institution? Its beyond wickedness!
You said he created man so we can learn and make mistakes? Good. Remember the one tempting and torturing us(Satan) is more powerful than us. So we are royally fvcked from the get-go. Don't give me that bullshit about us having more power than the devil. No man is omnipresent like the devil, so we are already handicapped.
And all this mayhem was created by an omniscient and omnibenevolent Yahweh.
Do you need more scenarios to buttress my point?

tctrills:

Now read word for word and I would make it bold.

Revelation 13:8

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Read also
2 Timothy 1:9

9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began.

God gave us Christ even before creating Adam. Christ was Chosen to be our Lord and Savior before Adam was created.

Dtruthspeaker:


You are just making me repeat what I have said before. Christ is our God by the instruction of His Father!

Then the parable of the wicked husbandmen. Mathew 21:33-46 has already told you what happened.

tctrills:

I am sure you don't understand my post

Dtruthspeaker:


You are the one refusing to accept the implication of Mathew 21:33-46

tctrills:

You claim Jesus Christ is not the lamb slain before the foundations of the world, I show you the scriptures. I don't know what else to show you

Dtruthspeaker:


I did not say that Jesus is not the lamb I clearly said that Mathew 21:33-46 and Exodus to Malachi clearly show us the several attempts God took in trying to save man "to the Hebrew first, then to the Gentiles"

And it did not commence before Adam in Genesis.

tctrills:

Please explain the simple phrase 'The Lamb slain before the foundations of the world.'

Dtruthspeaker:


It is an idiom meaning the sacrifice was so powerful that it went past the beginning of the world exactly how we say "the boy na thief even before dem born am"

jaephoenix:

When the source of the bullying is from me, then I need psychiatric evaluation. How can I send my son to school and still pay bullies to assault him?
Its the same scenario here. Yahweh (purportedly) created Adam, Satan, the forbidden tree. So why did he set up Adam knowing he'll fail?
Why did he create the forbidden tree in the first place? And he allowed Satan to deceive Adam, knowing he'll succumb?
Remember he gave Satan power and knows what he can do.
THINK

tctrills:

Does what you say make any sense? A sacrifice so powerful that it went past the beginning?
We can't just give strange meanings to suit our opinion.
Christ was chosen before the foundations of the world, that's what your bible teaches but you are free not to believe this simple truth.