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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 4:55pm On Mar 23, 2023
triple996:
dude look at it again.
The verse said : Those who believed and those who were Christians,Jews and pagans.
English is not hard wooo


LOL, Muslims with Fabrications and Twisting of their own scriptures is 5&6.
Muslims are the only religious faith that will re-interprete their scripture to duck tape various goofs Mohammed made for them.

1. The Arabic did not say the lies you've been fed by the translation. A screenshot is attached for you to see. I guess you saw the "WERE" (past tense) you are looking for.

2. Can you find a single Tafsir that AGREE with your desire for the elusive WERE in the Quranic verse?
Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, Al Qurtubi etc

Or are you saying that your knowledge of the Qur'an surpasses these scholars?


I'm wai------ting!
LOL!
It looks like you don't know me!
I probably know more about Islam than your Imam!

At least you now know that the Sabians worshipped the solar constellation. Why would they be admitted in paradise?

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 7:05pm On Mar 23, 2023
Lukuluku69:


The Month in which the Fasting/Fast is observed is known as Ramadan.

I am sure when you open your Bible, you should know that the Israelites have a Lunar Calendar they follow and they Fast in a Particular Month too. The Fast is referenced with the month it is observed in hence "Ramadan Fast" meaning the fasting observe in Ramadan.

As you will have come across, Muslims observe other Fasting across the Twelve Lunar months, but the one in the month of Ramadan is obligatory on them all.

The reference only points to the month.

Jesus and Moses and the Israelites all observed Fasting at some point in their life and history, does it mean they were Pagans too?

Make una dey try engage your brain cells before una let out the hates in you small nah : shocked
1. Mohammed didn't invent the Month called Ramadan it predated Islam. Mohammed received his first Qur'an in the month of Ramadan.
2. The issue was never about Fasting or not Fasting. The Isrealites have been Fasting since the time of Moses.

3. The issue was having so much similarities between the Sabians and Islam

You might want to have a read of the Sabian belief system and see how much similarity there exist between it and Islam
There is fasting in the Sabian belief system. It lasts for 30 days. This period is tied to the movement of the Moon. Their rule was 'see the moon and start fasting, see the moon and start rejoicing.' (Islam adopted the period of fasting, and the rule of 'fasting-rejoicing' exactly).

https://spentamainyu.tripod.com/sabian2.htm

Here is another

The Sabeans in Iraq used to fast thirty days each year, starting with sighting of the crescent and ending it with its sighting again a month later. At that time, Eid al-Fitr began for them. Like them, the grand-father of Prophet Mohammed, Abdul Muttalib and other prominent Arabs used in Ramadan, a special month for them, to make sure they fasted.
https://thearabweekly.com/electronic-fast


Thank you sir

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Rosemaiden(f): 7:18pm On Mar 23, 2023
TenQ:



LOL, Muslims with Fabrications and Twisting of their own scriptures is 5&6.
Muslims are the only religious faith that will re-interprete their scripture to duck tape various goofs Mohammed made for them.

1. The Arabic did not say the lies you've been fed by the translation. A screenshot is attached for you to see. I guess you saw the "WERE" (past tense) you are looking for.

2. Can you find a single Tafsir that AGREE with your desire for the elusive WERE in the Quranic verse?
Ibn Kathir, Ibn Abbas, Al Qurtubi etc

Or are you saying that your knowledge of the Qur'an surpasses these scholars?


I'm wai------ting!
LOL!
It looks like you don't know me!
I probably know more about Islam than your Imam!

At least you now know that the Sabians worshipped the solar constellation. Why would they be admitted in paradise?
They would be admitted into paradise because the god of the Serbians and the god of Mohammed are the same.

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 7:32pm On Mar 23, 2023
Rosemaiden:

They would be admitted into paradise because the god of the Serbians and the god of Mohammed are the same.
Of course!
Only that Allah actually serves Mohammed or at best Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Rosemaiden(f): 7:38pm On Mar 23, 2023
TenQ:

Of course!
Only that Allah actually serves Mohammed or at best Mohammed is pseudo-Allah!
This is serious.
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 8:23pm On Mar 23, 2023
TenQ:

1. Mohammed didn't invent the Month called Ramadan it predated Islam. Mohammed received his first Qur'an in the month of Ramadan.
2. The issue was never about Fasting or not Fasting. The Isrealites have been Fasting since the time of Moses.

3. The issue was having so much similarities between the Sabians and Islam

You might want to have a read of the Sabian belief system and see how much similarity there exist between it and Islam
There is fasting in the Sabian belief system. It lasts for 30 days. This period is tied to the movement of the Moon. Their rule was 'see the moon and start fasting, see the moon and start rejoicing.' (Islam adopted the period of fasting, and the rule of 'fasting-rejoicing' exactly).

https://spentamainyu.tripod.com/sabian2.htm

Here is another

The Sabeans in Iraq used to fast thirty days each year, starting with sighting of the crescent and ending it with its sighting again a month later. At that time, Eid al-Fitr began for them. Like them, the grand-father of Prophet Mohammed, Abdul Muttalib and other prominent Arabs used in Ramadan, a special month for them, to make sure they fasted.
https://thearabweekly.com/electronic-fast


Thank you sir


Kudos to you for teaching Muslims the root of their religion
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 8:40pm On Mar 23, 2023
advocatejare:

Kudos to you for teaching Muslims the root of their religion
You are welcome. It's not their fault. Their scholars always whitewash Islam for them so that they hear only of the glorious things. The dead rot and puss is covered up and dressed up as sugar and honey syrup for them.
When lies multiply, this is what you get

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 8:42pm On Mar 23, 2023
Rosemaiden:

This is serious.
You might want to read this previous post of mine. All the Muslims fled the post

https://www.nairaland.com/7617951/now-agree-muslims-allah-indescribable
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 8:47pm On Mar 23, 2023
TenQ:

You are welcome. It's not their fault. Their scholars always whitewash Islam for them so that they hear only of the glorious things. The dead rot and puss is covered up and dressed up as sugar and honey syrup for them.
When lies multiply, this is what you get
Many of them are so much pleased with the lies, they don’t want to know the truth. The truth scares them!0

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Rosemaiden(f): 8:48pm On Mar 23, 2023
TenQ:

You might want to read this previous post of mine. All the Muslims fled the post Hu


https://www.nairaland.com/7617951/now-agree-muslims-allah-indescribable

Sure!

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 9:11pm On Mar 23, 2023
advocatejare:

Many of them are so much pleased with the lies, they don’t want to know the truth. The truth scares them!0
The truth scares them plus the power of inductrination. How can the most VILE of a human being be termed as NOBLE?
How can the most untrustworthy individual be termed Al Amin?

How many of Muslim men can trust their wives pay a visit to Mohammed?

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 9:29pm On Mar 23, 2023
TenQ:

The truth scares them plus the power of inductrination. How can the most VILE of a human being be termed as NOBLE?
How can the most untrustworthy individual be termed Al Amin?

How many of Muslim men can trust their wives pay a visit to Mohammed?
Which man will trust him wife with him? someone who had special privileges one of which is:

Tenth: If Muhammad looks at a woman (and desires her) THEN IT IS NECESSARY FOR HER HUSBAND TO DIVORCE HER AND FOR MUHAMMAD TO MARRY HER.
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 9:42pm On Mar 23, 2023
advocatejare:

Which man will trust him wife with him? someone who had special privileges one of which is:

Tenth: If Muhammad looks at a woman (and desires her) THEN IT IS NECESSARY FOR HER HUSBAND TO DIVORCE HER AND FOR MUHAMMAD TO MARRY HER.
Muslims cannot see the moral problem this creates in their religion.

Any believing women (married or not) can also give herself to Mohammed

A man who can Shamelessly cancel adoption because he LUSTED after the Wife of his own son!

Indeed, the world will pick darkness over the Light.

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Bellotelli: 6:09am On Mar 24, 2023
TenQ:

If it is a lie, in your opinion, what is the Religion of the Sabians?

The Sabians worship the solar constellation.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabians


Of course, prophet Mohammed didn't say that according to you Muslims, Allah himself said so:

Quran 2:62
“Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabeans - those who believed in Allāh and the Last Day and did righteousness - will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve.”


This is your Muslim translation. What else does it say?
This is to say if u believe in Allah, believe in the last day and be righteous then you will attain paradise. Now I'll ask you what else do u require to become a Muslim?
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Kobojunkie: 6:17am On Mar 24, 2023
Bellotelli:

This is to say if u believe in Allah, believe in the last day and be righteous then you will attain paradise. Now I'll ask you what else do u require to become a Muslim?
Following the teachings of Jesus Christ, paradise in fact refers to the grave. Yes, when Jesus Christ told the thief on the cross that he, the thief, would be with Him, Jesus Christ, that day in paradise, Jesus Christ in fact was telling the thief that he would die that very same day, this as opposed to hanging on the cross for several days as was common place for many of the condemned. Jesus Christ died that day and was in the grave that day and the days after confirming that paradise is indeed a reference to the grave in scripture. undecided

So, here's my question. Which or what paradise do Muslims expect to gain access to after death? undecided
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by PAWIX: 6:47am On Mar 24, 2023
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 9:20am On Mar 24, 2023
Bellotelli:

This is to say if u believe in Allah, believe in the last day and be righteous then you will attain paradise. Now I'll ask you what else do u require to become a Muslim?
This is a flawed argument!

Are you saying emphatically that Jews are Muslims?
Are you saying emphatically that Christians are Muslims?
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Bellotelli: 11:39am On Mar 24, 2023
TenQ:

This is a flawed argument!

Are you saying emphatically that Jews are Muslims?
Are you saying emphatically that Christians are Muslims?

Do they believe in Allah?
If yes, then they are.
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 11:43am On Mar 24, 2023
TenQ:

Muslims cannot see the moral problem this creates in their religion.

Any believing women (married or not) can also give herself to Mohammed

A man who can Shamelessly cancel adoption because he LUSTED after the Wife of his own son!

Indeed, the world will pick darkness over the Light.
The cancellation of adoption is one of the things that got me baffled about Islam till date. As beautiful as adoption law was, Muhammad cancelled it cos of his lust for one woman.

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 11:59am On Mar 24, 2023
advocatejare:

The cancellation of adoption is one of the things that got me baffled about Islam till date. As beautiful as adoption law was, Muhammad cancelled it cos of his lust for one woman.

And he is the best example for Muslims on morality?

Even the average contemporary Muslim's moral is higher than Mohammed's

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 12:02pm On Mar 24, 2023
Bellotelli:

Do they believe in Allah?
If yes, then they are.
1. If Jews believe in Allah, why do Muslims and Allah hate them above all men?
2. But, No Jews don't believe in Allah. They believe in Yahweh!
Christians too do not believe in Allah, they believe in Yahweh!

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 12:51pm On Mar 24, 2023
TenQ:

And he is the best example for Muslims on morality?

Even the average contemporary Muslim's moral is higher than Mohammed's
That is why they don’t talk about his atrocities, they only over amplify the few good things he did and bury the numerous evil things he did!

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Kobojunkie: 12:59pm On Mar 24, 2023
Bellotelli:
Do they believe in Allah? If yes, then they are.
Jews don't believe in Allah as they instead believe in YHWH and YHWH isn't Allah. We have more than established that much. undecided

Christians also don't believe in Allah since Christians instead believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is not from Allah but from the source that is also YHWH and this much we have established undecided

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 3:21pm On Mar 24, 2023
Kobojunkie:
Jews don't believe in Allah as they instead believe in YHWH and YHWH isn't Allah. We have more than established that much. undecided

Christians also don't believe in Allah since Christians instead believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is not from Allah but from the source that is also YHWH and this much we have established undecided
Exactly,

1. The name of the "Allah" of the Muslims is Allah
The name of the "Allah" of the Christians is Yahweh
The name of the "Allah" of the Jews is Yahweh
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 3:23pm On Mar 24, 2023
advocatejare:

That is why they don’t talk about his atrocities, they only over amplify the few good things he did and bury the numerous evil things he did!
Even then can someone under the command of Shaitan be good?

At least Mohammed says satan command him only for good

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 3:47pm On Mar 24, 2023
TenQ:

Even then can someone under the command of Shaitan be good?

At least Mohammed says satan command him only for good
grin How can Satan commands anyone for good? That is where Muslims should have opened their eyes and realize that they are being deceived!

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 4:16pm On Mar 24, 2023
advocatejare:

grin How can Satan commands anyone for good? That is where Muslims should have opened their eyes and realize that they are being deceived!

Sahih Muslim 2814a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that
Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.



Satan the commander of the good of Mohammed!

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Bellotelli: 6:45pm On Mar 24, 2023
Kobojunkie:
Jews don't believe in Allah as they instead believe in YHWH and YHWH isn't Allah. We have more than established that much. undecided

Christians also don't believe in Allah since Christians instead believe in Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is not from Allah but from the source that is also YHWH and this much we have established undecided
In other not to dabble in too much argument, I'll leave you with Al kafiroon.
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Kobojunkie: 6:46pm On Mar 24, 2023
Bellotelli:
In other not to dabble in too much argument, I'll leave you with Al kafiroon.
What is there is argue in this abeg? Nothing! undecided
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by advocatejare(m): 9:09pm On Mar 24, 2023
TenQ:


Sahih Muslim 2814a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that
Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.




Satan the commander of the good of Mohammed!
The one obeys a command is below the one who gives the command.

It’s a pity

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Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by Rosemaiden(f): 10:08pm On Mar 24, 2023
advocatejare:

Which man will trust him wife with him? someone who had special privileges one of which is:

Tenth: If Muhammad looks at a woman (and desires her) THEN IT IS NECESSARY FOR HER HUSBAND TO DIVORCE HER AND FOR MUHAMMAD TO MARRY HER.
Lol
Re: Ramadan Fasting Is Of Pagan Origin! by TenQ: 10:21pm On Mar 24, 2023
advocatejare:

The one obeys a command is below the one who gives the command.

It’s a pity
A prophet under the control of satan!

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