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Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by histemple: 8:37am On Apr 02, 2023
I was born and baptised as a Catholic. I was at the same time privileged to observe other religious practices and analyse the contractions in all.

There are so many religious practices in the Catholic Church that doesn't seem to align with certain bible injunctions. Particularly the part of image-worship (IDOLATRY).

Also, the use of Ash, palm, candle, water, biscuits etc to perform some rituals is something nobody has been able to explain the significance. Particularly why those items were selected.

The African traditional religion make use of all the above including other natural items like kolanut, egg, leaves etc to perform their rituals as well. Yet the catholics believe they are ungodly.

The ATR recognise, make the statutes and pray through their known ancestors such as their forefathers.

The Catholics on the one side, reference ancestors like Jesus, Mary, St. Paul, St Peter, St, John etc and pray to the molded statutes of Mary and Jesus. They don't even reference Moses and Abraham as much neitherdo they make their statutes. At least I haven't seen the statute of Moses in any Church.

All the above are worrisome but what I find somewhat difficult to understand is the reason catholics refer to the mother of Jesus as "Blessed Virgin Mary"

Can a mother still be called a virgin?

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Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Nobody: 8:46am On Apr 02, 2023
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Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by WowSweetGuy(m): 8:47am On Apr 02, 2023
A mother and a virgin. She was conceived by the holy spirit
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by histemple: 8:53am On Apr 02, 2023
WowSweetGuy:
A mother and a virgin. She was conceived by the holy spirit

I agree the bible said she conceived by the Holy spirit. But having given birth to Jesus, can she be rightly referred to as a virgin?
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FxMasterz: 9:00am On Apr 02, 2023
histemple:
I was born and baptised as a Catholic. I was at the same time privileged to observe other religious practices and analyse the contractions in all.

There are so many religious practices in the Catholic Church that doesn't seem to align with certain bible injunctions. Particularly the part of image-worship (IDOLATRY).

Also, the use of Ash, palm, candle, water, biscuits etc to perform some rituals is something nobody has been able to explain the significance. Particularly why those items were selected.

The African traditional religion make use of all the above including other natural items like kolanut, egg, leaves etc to perform their rituals as well. Yet the catholics believe they are ungodly.

The ATR recognise, make the statutes and pray through their known ancestors such as their forefathers.

The Catholics on the one side, reference ancestors like Jesus, Mary, St. Paul, St Peter, St, John etc and pray to the molded statutes of Mary and Jesus. They don't even reference Moses and Abraham as much neitherdo they make their statutes. At least I haven't seen the statute of Moses in any Church.

All the above are worrisome but what I find somewhat difficult to understand is the reason catholics refer to the mother of Jesus as "Blessed Virgin Mary"

Can a mother still be called a virgin?
Catholicism is idolatry. The Mary they reference is Ishtar and not the true Mary. Ishtar is known as the Queen of heaven in the occult and in all pagan religions.

The Roman Catholics worship Ishthar while deceiving their congregations that it is Mary. They even dedicated a festive season to her which other Protestant denominations ignorantly follow. Easter is the English corruption of Ishthar. Please take note. This goddess is also called Semiramis. Roman Catholicism is paganism and oçcultism made to look like Christianity.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Exmilitant(m): 9:00am On Apr 02, 2023
Isn't she?
1. The Bible you mentioned was doctored and collated by the catholic church.

2. All religion was syncretized to give it form.

3. Catholic uphold their sacred traditions more than their scriptural traditions.

4. Concerning Mother Mary, the church fathers met together on two seperate occassion three hundred and fifty years after the death of Christ in what is now known as the, council of Chalcedon and the council of Ephesus. There they agreed that the mother of God couldn't be stained with the original sin. So she was elevated to, Theothokos (Mother of God).

In the council of Ephesus, it was agreed that Mary remained perpetui virgo postpartum. (Perpetual virgin)

Understand that those who created religion had to adopt from existing ones.

I remain a catholic though.

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Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Exmilitant(m): 9:03am On Apr 02, 2023
FxMasterz:

Catholicism is idolatry. The Mary they reference is Ishtar and not the true Mary. Ishtar is known as the Queen of heaven in the occult and in all pagan religions.

The Roman Catholics worship Ishthar while deceiving their congregations that it is Mary. They even dedicated a festive season to her which other Protestant denominations ignorantly follow. Easter is the English corruption of Ishthar. Please take note. This goddess is also called Semiramis. Roman Catholicism is paganism and oçcultism made to look like Christianity.
What is christianity?
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:03am On Apr 02, 2023
histemple:


I agree the bible said she conceived by the Holy spirit. But having given birth to Jesus, can she be rightly referred to as a virgin?

Exactly. She can't.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Felimax(m): 9:05am On Apr 02, 2023
Take your time your time and read the account how Mary will be conceived of Jesus, take very careful time to try and understand how the other two personalities will take part in the process. If fear nor catch you then na God know why.


Leave Catholics with what they believe and don't just face your front endeavor to mind your business.

Sometimes mysteries are not easy to explain in lame man's terms.

We love our mother Mary for first she is the gateway to our salvation.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FxMasterz: 9:08am On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
What is christianity?
Christianity is a life, not a religion. It's the life of a disciple of Christ following right in the footsteps of his master. No more, no less.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Exmilitant(m): 9:13am On Apr 02, 2023
FxMasterz:

Christianity is a life, not a religion. It's the life of a disciple of Christ following right in the footsteps of his master. No more, no less.
Who started the christ message before it got to you?
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FxMasterz: 9:23am On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
Who started the christ message before it got to you?
Christ Himself started the salvation message and commissioned His 12 disciples to do the same:

Mathew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations."

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Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Exmilitant(m): 9:46am On Apr 02, 2023
FxMasterz:

Christ Himself started the salvation message and commissioned His 12 disciples to do the same:

Mathew 28:19
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations."
You couldn't answer my question right.
one of the reasons christianity is loosing its grip is because of intoxicated people like you and others on this forum.
and bet you me, you all are going to pay a worthy price!

you lie, you slander, you blasphem. All together you amount to Satan!
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by histemple: 10:13am On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
Isn't she?
1. The Bible you mentioned was doctored and collated by the catholic church.

2. All religion was syncretized to give it form.

3. Catholic uphold their sacred traditions more than their scriptural traditions.

4. Concerning Mother Mary, the church fathers met together on two seperate occassion three hundred and fifty years after the death of Christ in what is now known as the, council of Chalcedon and the council of Ephesus. There they agreed that the mother of God couldn't be stained with the original sin. So she was elevated to, Theothokos (Mother of God).

In the council of Ephesus, it was agreed that Mary remained perpetui virgo postpartum. (Perpetual virgin)

Understand that those who created religion had to adopt from existing ones.

I remain a catholic though.

Quite insightful
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:17am On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
Isn't she?
1. The Bible you mentioned was doctored and collated by the catholic church.

2. All religion was syncretized to give it form.

3. Catholic uphold their sacred traditions more than their scriptural traditions.

4. Concerning Mother Mary, the church fathers met together on two seperate occassion three hundred and fifty years after the death of Christ in what is now known as the, council of Chalcedon and the council of Ephesus. There they agreed that the mother of God couldn't be stained with the original sin. So she was elevated to, Theothokos (Mother of God).

In the council of Ephesus, it was agreed that Mary remained perpetui virgo postpartum. (Perpetual virgin)

Understand that those who created religion had to adopt from existing ones.

I remain a catholic though.

In the end you prove that men rule catholic church rather than God.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by histemple: 10:20am On Apr 02, 2023
Felimax:
Take your time your time and read the account how Mary will be conceived of Jesus, take very careful time to try and understand how the other two personalities will take part in the process. If fear nor catch you then na God know why.


Leave Catholics with what they believe and don't just face your front endeavor to mind your business.

Sometimes mysteries are not easy to explain in lame man's terms.

We love our mother Mary for first she is the gateway to our salvation.

I am a Catholic too. But I think you should be making your submissions with empirical facts and not conjectures. It is the most reasonable premise to sound convincing.

BTW. What do you make of genuflecting for the image of Mary just as adherents of African Traditional religion genuflect for the image of their ancestors in worship, taking into account, the concept of IDOLATRY?
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by histemple: 10:24am On Apr 02, 2023
OAM4J. I will appreciate a push to FP for a robust conversation.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FreedomfromtheT: 10:27am On Apr 02, 2023
Mary the mother of Christ was a virgin at the birth of the Saviour.
However, she had intimacy with Joseph her husband afterwards and gave birth to at least five other children (Matthew 13:55 - 58, Luke 2:4-7)
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Exmilitant(m): 10:28am On Apr 02, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


In the end you prove that men rule catholic church rather than God.
The creators of religion didn't know God but, they know the human nature. Yes, men rule the Catholic church.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Felimax(m): 11:58am On Apr 02, 2023
histemple:


I am a Catholic too. But I think you should be making your submissions with empirical facts and not conjectures. It is the most reasonable premise to sound convincing.

BTW. What do you make of genuflecting for the image of Mary just as adherents of African Traditional religion genuflect for the image of their ancestors in worship, taking into account, the concept of IDOLATRY?

Keep your I am a Catholic rhetorics off my mention. A Catholic indeed! A Catholic not guided and taught by the Spirit is not yet a Catholic. Besides, if you are a Catholic as you claimed then you should know the best place to channel your question to.

Who is that person that has gone through the catechism will still be asking such questions? What did you now do in your catechism class?

You are a Catholic indeed!
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Felimax(m): 12:03pm On Apr 02, 2023
FreedomfromtheT:
Mary the mother of Christ was a virgin at the birth of the Saviour.
However, she had intimacy with Joseph her husband afterwards and gave birth to at least five other children (Matthew 13:55 - 58, Luke 2:4-7)

@op, these are the kind confused gospel you want to be hearing isn't it?

Oya your question has been answered. Are you ok now?
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FxMasterz: 12:15pm On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
You couldn't answer my question right.
one of the reasons christianity is loosing its grip is because of intoxicated people like you and others on this forum.
and bet you me, you all are going to pay a worthy price!

you lie, you slander, you blasphem. All together you amount to Satan!
Why are you so embittered? The hate in your tone is unmistakable. And for what reason? For telling you the truth? Where's the lie, the slander or the blasphemy to which you referred?

I answered your question supporting it with scripture but you replied me with bitterness full of your own personal bias. What for?
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by Exmilitant(m): 1:07pm On Apr 02, 2023
FxMasterz:

Why are you so embittered? The hate in your tone is unmistakable. And for what reason? For telling you the truth? Where's the lie, the slander or the blasphemy to which you referred?

I answered your question supporting it with scripture but you replied me with bitterness full of your own personal bias. What for?
I am bittered over these:

''Roman catholicism is paganism and occultism made to look like christianity.''

a well structured religious body that has stood the test of time for over 2000 years should not be trifle with.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by WowSweetGuy(m): 1:19pm On Apr 02, 2023
histemple:


I agree the bible said she conceived by the Holy spirit. But having given birth to Jesus, can she be rightly referred to as a virgin?
Yes. That's why She holds a title...Virgin mother Mary

The only Virgin Mother
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by WowSweetGuy(m): 1:21pm On Apr 02, 2023
FreedomfromtheT:
Mary the mother of Christ was a virgin at the birth of the Saviour.
However, she had intimacy with Joseph her husband afterwards and gave birth to at least five other children (Matthew 13:55 - 58, Luke 2:4-7)
Lies

She left earth body and soul to heaven. Nothing like any other child aside Jesus christ our saviour
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by MindHacker9009(m): 1:52pm On Apr 02, 2023
Because these are what you'll find under the Vatican


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U96Ur3_MvWs

Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FreedomfromtheT: 4:00pm On Apr 02, 2023
WowSweetGuy:
Lies

She left earth body and soul to heaven. Nothing like any other child aside Jesus christ our saviour
Sir, please can you cite any scriptural passage to back this your claim that Mary the mother of the Redeemer did not have any other child apart from the Saviour?
I was born as a member of a particular religious organization were the laity do not read the Bible on their own except what the clergy read and interpret to them.
I used to enjoy the ceremonies in that religious circle and I think I used to get mad at people who criticized my former religious organization popularly refered to as the first Church in the world.
Thank God for the Charismatic Renewal and the Bible Society wings of that religious Organization.
However, It is so unfortunate that some sincerely misguided people are still fanatically attached to and sorry to use the word, blinded by the dogmas of this popular religious Institution.
May God save them as He saved a lot of us in Jesus' name, Amen.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FreedomfromtheT: 4:11pm On Apr 02, 2023
WowSweetGuy:
Yes. That's why She holds a title...Virgin mother Mary

The only Virgin Mother
It is not giving birth that made Mary not to be a virgin any longer.
It is the fact that having had other children from where I quoted, there is no way she could have conceived without having sexual intercourse with a man since only her first conception was through the power of the Holy Spirit.
The title 'only Virgin Mother' is neither here nor there because it is a fallacy not backed by the Scriptures of truth that cannot be broken.
Why do some Catholics give the impression that having sex with one's husband makes the woman defiled? Please ww
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by FxMasterz: 5:38pm On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
I am bittered over these:

''Roman catholicism is paganism and occultism made to look like christianity.''

a well structured religious body that has stood the test of time for over 2000 years should not be trifle with.

I understand you but what I said up there is the whole Truth. Just read up on the history of the Catholic Church from extra-biblical sources.

As a starting point, let me hint you again that there's no queen of heaven anywhere in God's kingdom. I have read the Bible from cover to cover several times without number. And I can confidently tell you the truth.

The only places where the queen of heaven was ever mentioned in the Bible are related to pagan worship, and that was thousands of years before Mary was born. Mary isn't a queen anywhere. The apostles never prayed through Mary. This is a latter invention of the Catholic Church. Please research the truth and save yourself from ignorance.

Read up the following scriptures that made reference to the said queen of heaven, then, let's discuss those scriptures together. All liars, fabricators and blasphemers shall have their portions in hell.

Check these scriptures:
Jeremiah 7:18; Jeremiah 44:17-19 and Jeremiah 44:25.

I can give you a whole exposition on who the queen of heaven is and why she is anti-God and not Mary.

Think of it, Mary's picture was never drawn neither was it ever taken before her death. She didn't even hold any Important position or influence in the church of the apostles. Where did they get all the images from?

Read those scriptures first. I have a lot to say to you.
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by MindHacker9009(m): 5:45pm On Apr 02, 2023
Exmilitant:
I am bittered over these:

''Roman catholicism is paganism and occultism made to look like christianity.''

a well structured religious body that has stood the test of time for over 2000 years should not be trifle with.

True Judaism is the only true religion. If not, why will the Marys going into the tomb with anointing oil on the third day be the basis for a new religion. Which religion sends women into the tomb on the third day with anointing oil?

The True GOD of the Torah has included Gentiles for salvation without a new religion: "I will also make you a light for the Gentiles that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.” Isaiah 49:6

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Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:35pm On Apr 02, 2023
After giving birth to Jesus Joseph started sleeping with his wife (Mary) and she gave birth to four brothers of Jesus and girls for her husband! Mark 6:3
Re: Why Do Catholics Refer To Mary As Virgin? by sonmvayina(m): 7:07pm On Apr 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
After giving birth to Jesus Joseph started sleeping with his wife (Mary) and she gave birth to four brothers of Jesus and girls for her husband! Mark 6:3

Where the brothers Jehovah's witnesses?

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