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The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 1:18pm On May 02, 2023
The question of the relationship between the Creator and the Creation has been a topic of discussion for centuries, with no clear-cut answers.
One commonly cited analogy is that a building has a builder, and therefore, the world must have a Creator.
However, this analogy has its limitations, as builders source their raw materials from outside themselves, while the question of the Creator's source remains unanswered.

Another limitation of this analogy is that it assumes a clear separation between the builder and the building. The builder creates the building, but the building is not a part of the builder. However, when it comes to the relationship between the Creator and the Creation, the line between the two becomes blurred.

Some argue that the Creator and the Creation are separate entities, and that the creator exists outside of the Creation. This view allows for a clear separation between the Creator and the Creation, but it raises questions about the Creator's relationship to the Creation. If the Creator is separate from the Creation, how can they be intimately involved in the Creation's affairs.

It can be argued that the Creator cannot be separated from the Creation, as the Creation is made up of the creator's raw materials. In this sense, the Creator is both the Creation and the Created.
if a Creator created everything, then everything that was Created is, in essence, the Creator.
if a Creator created everything, then the Creator is also everything that was Created.


If the Creator is also the everything that was Created, it follows that the traditional concepts of omniscience and omnipotence may be redundant. These concepts suggest that the Creator has absolute knowledge and power over the Creation, but if the Creator is also the Creation, then these titles are useless.

In this sense, the idea of a Creator being "supreme" or all-powerful may also be called into question. If the Creator is everything and everywhere, then there is no need for the Creator to be in competition with other entities or powers. Rather, the Creator simply is, and all of existence is an extension of its being.
Even the title of "Creator" and "Creation" becomes meaningless. These terms imply a separation between the two, but if the two are one and the same, then there is no meaningful distinction to be made.


This raises the question of whether or not the concept of a Creator is even necessary.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by correctguy101(m): 1:27pm On May 02, 2023
Maynman:
The question of the relationship between the creator and the creation has been a topic of discussion for centuries, with no clear-cut answers.
One commonly cited analogy is that a building has a builder, and therefore, the world must have a Creator.
However, this analogy has its limitations, as builders source their raw materials from outside themselves, while the question of the Creator's source remains unanswered.

Another limitation of this analogy is that it assumes a clear separation between the builder and the building. The builder creates the building, but the building is not a part of the builder. However, when it comes to the relationship between the Creator and the Creation, the line between the two becomes blurred.

Some argue that the Creator and the Creation are separate entities, and that the creator exists outside of the Creation. This view allows for a clear separation between the Creator and the Creation, but it raises questions about the Creator's relationship to the Creation. If the Creator is separate from the Creation, how can they be intimately involved in the Creation's affairs, if the creator created everything.

It can be argued that the creator cannot be separated from the Creation, as the Creation is made up of the creator's raw materials. In this sense, the Creator is both the Creation and the Created.
if a Creator created everything, then everything that was Created is, in essence, the Creator.
if a Creator created everything, then the Creator is also everything that was Created.



I like the bolded.

I currently find that view of the matter more appropriate.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Nobody: 1:31pm On May 02, 2023
the size of the sperm cell that form you is approximately 50 micrometer

Likewise the egg it fertilized has a diameter of about 20mm.

But look at how big and heavy you are today with all the thousands of body parts.




Think about this !

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 1:35pm On May 02, 2023
CondenseMilk:
the size of a sperm cell that form you is approximately 50 micrometer

Likewise the egg it fertilized has a diameter of about 20mm.

But look at how big and heavy you are today.




Think about this
Is it only sperm cell that is required to form a child?and who and what made it so that sperm cells are what must be required to form a child, why not sweat?
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by sonmvayina(m): 1:50pm On May 02, 2023
You don't bring this side of you to other people's thread...that's why they find you wanting...

At least you have given me a clear view of where your mind is...


Thanks

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 1:58pm On May 02, 2023
sonmvayina:
You don't bring this side of you to other people's thread...that's why they find you wanting...

At least you have given me a clear view of where your mind is...


Thanks
I hope you really do understand the view.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Nobody: 2:00pm On May 02, 2023
Maynman:

Is it only sperm cell that is required to form a child?and who and what made it so that sperm cells are what must be required to form a child, why not sweat?

Let me repeat myself again.

The egg and sperm cell that formed you, if placed on a flat plate will not be visible to the human eye.

But after incubation, see how big and heavy you are today in addition to the thousands of cells and hundreds vital parts in your body.

The entire creation is from one (God almighty)

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 2:02pm On May 02, 2023
CondenseMilk:


Let me repeat myself again.

The egg and sperm cell that formed you, if placed on a flat plate will not be visible to the human eye.

But after incubation, see how big and heavy you are today in addition to the thousands of cells and hundreds vital parts in your body.

The entire creation is from one (God almighty)

Your analogy is false.
First off who created the sperm cell?
And did the sperm cell create everything?

Read the article again you don’t understand yet.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Nobody: 2:22pm On May 02, 2023
Maynman:

Your analogy is false.
First off who created the sperm cell?
And did the sperm cell create everything?

Read the article again you don’t understand yet.

The entire universe is from one God almighty.

Whatever that springs out (trees, water, rocks) from each creation (e.g the earth) can be understood from the formation of the foetus.

In your article, you mentioned about the materials used for creation, this was why I used the foetus as a perfect example.

2 invisible units coming together and after incubation, it formed a foetus which results to the human with several body parts (trees as hair, water as blood, bones as rock etc)
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 2:24pm On May 02, 2023
CondenseMilk:


The entire universe is from one God almighty.

Whatever that springs out (trees, water, rocks) from each creation (e.g the earth) can be understood from the formation of the foetus.

In your article, you mentioned about the materials used for creation, this was why I used the foetus as a perfect example.

2 invisible units coming together and after incubation, it formed a foetus which results to the human with several body parts (trees as hair, water as blood, bones as rock etc)

Which of the gods are you talking about? Yahweh?
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 2:27pm On May 02, 2023
CondenseMilk:


The entire universe is from one God almighty.

Whatever that springs out (trees, water, rocks) from each creation (e.g the earth) can be understood from the formation of the foetus.

In your article, you mentioned about the materials used for creation, this was why I used the foetus as a perfect example.

2 invisible units coming together and after incubation, it formed a foetus which results to the human with several body parts (trees as hair, water as blood, bones as rock etc)

First off you don’t understand what i posted.

The foetus ONLY created a child.
I’m talking about what created everything, your example is flawed.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by sonmvayina(m): 3:45pm On May 02, 2023
Maynman:

I hope you really do understand the view.

Yes I do....

That's all I was trying to explain to you...

The only thing I did was give it a name...
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Maynman: 3:52pm On May 02, 2023
sonmvayina:


Yes I do....

That's all I was trying to explain to you...

The only thing I did was give it a name...


Read the article again, i updated it.
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by sonmvayina(m): 4:13pm On May 02, 2023
Maynman:


Read the article again, i updated it.

Ok...
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by sonmvayina(m): 4:18pm On May 02, 2023
This is what I said way back that flew over the head of Maxindhouse....

The creation and creator are one and the same..
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by kkins25(m): 9:59pm On May 02, 2023
The jagabans that can actually discuss this wonderful topic have mostly left Nairaland or are busy with American politics. Deus es machina, Na God, summarizes the mind of the average naija Christian.
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by kkins25(m): 10:06pm On May 02, 2023
CondenseMilk:
the size of the sperm cell that form you is approximately 50 micrometer

Likewise the egg it fertilized has a diameter of about 20mm.

But look at how big and heavy you are today with all the thousands of body parts.




Think about this !

The mosquito is a vector to a deadly parasite, the plasomodium spp. Have you thought about how the deadly disease came to be?

When Adam was in the Garden of Eden, lying down naked with the spiky grass, poking his balls, did mosquitoes bite him? The Garden of Eden no get toilet. Adam nourished a section of the Garden with his dudu. grin grin grin grin


If adam was made from clay, why wasn't eve made as well. Genesis 1 says so, but in Genesis two, both were created the same day. Why? Let's start from there.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:51am On May 03, 2023
kkins25:


The mosquito is a vector to a deadly parasite, the plasomodium spp. Have you thought about how the deadly disease came to be?

When Adam was in the Garden of Eden, lying down naked with the spiky grass, poking his balls, did mosquitoes bite him? The Garden of Eden no get toilet. Adam nourished a section of the Garden with his dudu. grin grin grin grin


If adam was made from clay, why wasn't eve made as well. Genesis 1 says so, but in Genesis two, both were created the same day. Why? Let's start from there.

Common sense should have told you that she was made from clay since she was made from Adam who was made from clay.
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by LordReed(m): 8:20am On May 03, 2023
CondenseMilk:
the size of the sperm cell that form you is approximately 50 micrometer

Likewise the egg it fertilized has a diameter of about 20mm.

But look at how big and heavy you are today with all the thousands of body parts.




Think about this !

After a very considerable infusion of energy. I hope you don't think an embryo just grows without help and resources from the mother.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by kkins25(m): 12:05pm On May 03, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Common sense should have told you that she was made from clay since she was made from Adam who was made from clay.
If she was made from clay, was the clay obtained from Adam's ribs? You can use garri to make eba, but you can't use eba to make another eba.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by KnownUnknown: 2:05pm On May 03, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Common sense should have told you that she was made from clay since she was made from Adam who was made from clay.

Hi, I am………Adam

Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by KnownUnknown: 2:07pm On May 03, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Common sense should have told you that she was made from clay since she was made from Adam who was made from clay.

Hiiiii, I am Eve. Do you want to taste my forbidden fruit? kiss

Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by jaephoenix(m): 2:52pm On May 03, 2023
CondenseMilk:
the size of the sperm cell that form you is approximately 50 micrometer

Likewise the egg it fertilized has a diameter of about 20mm.

But look at how big and heavy you are today with all the thousands of body parts.
what do you think happened




Think about this !
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by jaephoenix(m): 2:53pm On May 03, 2023
CondenseMilk:


Let me repeat myself again.

The egg and sperm cell that formed you, if placed on a flat plate will not be visible to the human eye.

But after incubation, see how big and heavy you are today in addition to the thousands of cells and hundreds vital parts in your body.

The entire creation is from one (God almighty)

Fallacy of the god of the gaps
You're really deficient in science.
Have you heard of DNA?

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by jaephoenix(m): 2:55pm On May 03, 2023
CondenseMilk:


The entire universe is from one God almighty.

Whatever that springs out (trees, water, rocks) from each creation (e.g the earth) can be understood from the formation of the foetus.

In your article, you mentioned about the materials used for creation, this was why I used the foetus as a perfect example.

2 invisible units coming together and after incubation, it formed a foetus which results to the human with several body parts (trees as hair, water as blood, bones as rock etc)
How do you know it wasn't Flying Spaghetti Monster that created everything

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by jaephoenix(m): 2:58pm On May 03, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


Common sense should have told you that she was made from clay since she was made from Adam who was made from clay.
That means your bible didn’t have common sense since it said Eve came from Adam's rib which was a bone

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:48pm On May 03, 2023
jaephoenix:

That means your bible didn’t have common sense since it said Eve came from Adam's rib which was a bone

Clearly you lack even sense else you would have known to shut up rather than speak even more stupidly.

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Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:51pm On May 03, 2023
kkins25:
If she was made from clay, was the clay obtained from Adam's ribs? You can use garri to make eba, but you can't use eba to make another eba.

You obviously have never dried eba else you would know that when properly done, eba will turn to garri.
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by kkins25(m): 9:31pm On May 03, 2023
Dtruthspeaker:


You obviously have never dried eba else you would know that when properly done, eba will turn to garri.
Ure simply reheating nd not making
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by kkins25(m): 9:33pm On May 03, 2023
CondenseMilk:


The entire universe is from one God almighty.

Whatever that springs out (trees, water, rocks) from each creation (e.g the earth) can be understood from the formation of the foetus.

In your article, you mentioned about the materials used for creation, this was why I used the foetus as a perfect example.

2 invisible units coming together and after incubation, it formed a foetus which results to the human with several body parts (trees as hair, water as blood, bones as rock etc)

You're wrong on all points. Principles of basic science have also been bastardized in ur weite up there.
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Emusan(m): 6:44pm On May 04, 2023
LordReed:
After a very considerable infusion of energy.

So who decided this VERY CONSIDERABLE infusion of energy?

I hope you don't think an embryo just grows without help and resources from the mother.

The only thing from the mother is the basic nutrients, the embryo comes prepared itself.
Re: The Relationship Between The Creator And The Creation. by Emusan(m): 6:51pm On May 04, 2023
jaephoenix:

Fallacy of the god of the gaps
You're really deficient in science.
Have you heard of DNA?

Nothing like deficient in science!

Besides, he made a good point.

DNA when considered in the process of conception is a strong argument for a creator not the other way round.

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