Dtruthspeaker:
Another one they would not be able to validly defend.

TenQ:

Their new argument is to say that since Mohammed didn't die immediately, it wasn't the poisoned Lamb that killed him.

TenQ:
One of the verses that seeks to establish that the Quran is
the word of Allah is Quran 69:41-47?

What does it say?
Quran 69:41-47
41. It (the Quran) is not the word of a poet: little it is ye believe! 42 Nor is it the word of a soothsayer: little admonition it is ye receive. 43 (This is) a Message sent down from the Lord of the Worlds. 44 And if the apostle (Mohammed) were to invent any sayings in Our name 45 We should certainly seize him by his right hand 46 And We should certainly then cut off his iorta 47 Nor could any of you withhold him (from Our wrath).

What was Allah saying?
1. Mohammed is just his messenger and the Quran from his mouth is
neither the words of a poet nor a soothsayer
2. The Quran is the Message sent by Allah himself
3. If Mohammed should INVENT or FABRICATE any sayings in the Quran,
Allah himself will seize him by his hands and CUT off his iorta
4. No one will be able to save or deliver Mohammed from this judgement of Allah.
So, How would we know if Mohammed inserted lies or fabrication
in his Quran
1. Allah stated the method of execution: his iorta will be severed
2. Allah that no one can deliver him: everyone would be helpless to help him




So, we can say actually what killed Mohammed: a Poison that cut off
his Aorta according to the words of Allah.

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Question:
1. Since we know that everything is destiny in Islam, Did Allah
destined Zaynab to Poison Mohammed?
2. What chapters and verses of the Quran was fabricated by Mohammed
that Allah had to execute judgement of severing his aorta and making
sure he cannot be helped?
3. If Jesus was delivered from death, why do you think that the
greatest Messenger was not delivered from this excruciatingly painful
slow death? Was Allah torturing Mohammed for his sin?



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Dtruthspeaker:


like saying that because ataga did not die immediately therefore Chidinma is not guilty of his murder. Yet they would never apply this thinking when they are the ones involved. What a Mad people!

TenQ:


I sometimes wonder if I should just make claims without giving evidences so that they can jump about like monkeys while one by one they are decimated by the truth.

Of course, I use this method for the sake of those who are content to just read the first page of a post without even making any contribution.

Their new argument is to say that since Mohammed didn't die immediately, it wasn't the poisoned Lamb that killed him.

AntiChristian:
This falsehood is from one of David Wood's video!

1. Al-Wateen used in the Qur'an verse is not the same as Al-Abhar used in the Hadiths! Both were translated as Aorta

In reality, Abhar is a vein that originates from the head and extends to the feet. When the vein extents to the back it is called Al-wateen. So in essense, Al-Wateen is part of Al-Abhar.

When a person's aorta is cut off the person dies immediately! But that Qur'an verse you claimed was not the last verse that was revealed to the Prophet. More so in Qur'an 5:70, Jews were refered to as usually killing the Prophets sent to them!

Even when the Prophet was poisoned he still lived for a few years.

So as usual, you watch David wood and come here to rant!



Whoever needs to can watch David Wood's video and the refutation on it by visiting the site below!
No need to argue on this guy's misguidance. The video have been extensively and logically debunked by our brother, may Allah grant him and us all Taofeeq and Istiqama!
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

Dtruthspeaker:


like saying that because ataga did not die immediately therefore Chidinma is not guilty of his murder. Yet they would never apply this thinking when they are the ones involved. What a Mad people!

FxMasterz:

Even still, the focus is not on what killed him. The focus is on the fact that he himself confessed that his aorta was cut off. Whatever cut off his aorta doesn't matter. The cutting off of his aorta indicates that he's a false prophet as stated by his own Allah.

TenQ:


Unfortunatley
!. Its been long I watched any of David Woods Videos
2. I am not even aware that he has any video discussing this ( I ll probably go watch it after)

Now, to your arguments
1. Mr AntiChristian says: (Al-Wateen is part of Al-Abhar)
I didnt translate the Arabic into English.
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
(69:46) Then We would have cut from him the aorta.
MUHAMMAD TAQI-UD-DIN AL-HILALI AND MUHAMMAD MUHSIN KHAN,
(69:46) And then certainly should have cut off his life artery (Aorta),
MOHAMMED MARMADUKE WILLIAM PICKTHALL
(69:46) And then severed his life-artery,
ABDULLAH YUSUF ALI
(69:46) And We should certainly then cut off the artery of his heart:
MOHAMMAD HABIB SHAKIR
(69:46) Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta.
DR. GHALI
(69:46) Thereafter indeed We would have cut (off) (his) aorta.

The Word translated in the Quran is : ٱلْوَتِينَ (I-watina)
The several meanings are: Aorta, Artery of his heart, artery of his life, Life-Artery
Meaning that it has to do with an artery connected to his heart

2. An islamic website refuting David Wood says al-watin is actually part of al-abhar and agrees that they are synonyms for each other
It says:
"So here we observe that al-wateen is actually a part of al-abhar. This is why al-wateen is sometimes used synonymously with al-abhar in some dictionaries. It is because al-wateen is a part of al-abhar, however likewise can't be said vice versa, for Al-abhar doesn't necessarily refer to al-wateen."
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

As someone said:
If Allah says a person going to die through Vehicle Accident and he was killed by a Trailer , would the Muslim's argument be :
He was killed by a Vehicle and not a Trailer ?

3. Can you please translate the last sentence of this hadith into English
Sunan Abi Dawud 4512: Book 41, Hadith 19
حَدَّثَنَا وَهْبُ بْنُ بَقِيَّةَ، عَنْ خَالِدٍ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو، عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ، قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقْبَلُ الْهَدِيَّةَ وَلاَ يَأْكُلُ الصَّدَقَةَ ‏.‏ وَحَدَّثَنَا وَهْبُ بْنُ بَقِيَّةَ فِي مَوْضِعٍ آخَرَ عَنْ خَالِدٍ عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عَمْرٍو عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ وَلَمْ يَذْكُرْ أَبَا هُرَيْرَةَ قَالَ كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم يَقْبَلُ الْهَدِيَّةَ وَلاَ يَأْكُلُ الصَّدَقَةَ ‏.‏ زَادَ فَأَهْدَتْ لَهُ يَهُودِيَّةٌ بِخَيْبَرَ شَاةً مَصْلِيَّةً سَمَّتْهَا فَأَكَلَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِنْهَا وَأَكَلَ الْقَوْمُ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ ارْفَعُوا أَيْدِيَكُمْ فَإِنَّهَا أَخْبَرَتْنِي أَنَّهَا مَسْمُومَةٌ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ فَمَاتَ بِشْرُ بْنُ الْبَرَاءِ بْنِ مَعْرُورٍ الأَنْصَارِيُّ فَأَرْسَلَ إِلَى الْيَهُودِيَّةِ ‏"‏ مَا حَمَلَكِ عَلَى الَّذِي صَنَعْتِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ إِنْ كُنْتَ نَبِيًّا لَمْ يَضُرَّكَ الَّذِي صَنَعْتُ وَإِنْ كُنْتَ مَلِكًا أَرَحْتُ النَّاسَ مِنْكَ ‏.‏ فَأَمَرَ بِهَا رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَقُتِلَتْ ثُمَّ قَالَ فِي وَجَعِهِ الَّذِي مَاتَ فِيهِ ‏"‏ مَا زِلْتُ أَجِدُ مِنَ الأَكْلَةِ الَّتِي أَكَلْتُ بِخَيْبَرَ فَهَذَا أَوَانُ قَطَعَتْ أَبْهَرِي ‏"‏ ‏.‏

Anyone can type قَطَعَتْ أَبْهَرِ (qataeat 'abhar) into google translate and see that it is translated as SEVERED AORTA
OR
type قَطَعَتْ أَبْهَرِي (qataeat 'abhari) into google translate and see that it is translated as YOU CUT MY AORTA

This Hadith is VERY SAHIH


We have shown that even abhar was translated not only by google translate but by Sunnah.com in Sunan Abi Dawud 4512: Book 41, Hadith 19

TenQ:

Every Time, they have to invent lies to cover up what has been written in their own books by their own trusted scholars.

AntiChristian:

Google translate?
K

FxMasterz:

Their lies are accepted by their fake god. So, they do it with joy.

Ignorant fellows.

TenQ:

I wonder what they'll do when on the day of judgement they discover that the whole of Islam is Taqqiya!

FxMasterz:

SMH. Why must anyone tell lies to defend his god?

TinubuShet:
You deserve my following, keep pressing the neck of self acclaimed religion of peace, whereas reverse is the case

TenQ:
Mr AntiChristian,
If we ask you now, you can't speak Arabic: you are very ignorant of what your Islamic Scholars says.

All you can say is to make fun of Google-translate. Unfortunately, the chain that hook your leg is more than one.


Your argument failed: I'm sure you'll still say I have gone to David Wood to ask for rebuttal.



1. Several Qur'an translations use the word AORTA for ٱلْوَتِينَ (I-watina)
2. Translation by Sunnah.com of
Sunan Abi Dawud 4512: Book 41, Hadith 19
translations use the word AORTA for abhari (al-abhar)

3. You AntiChristian says "Al-Wateen used in the Qur'an verse is not the same as Al-Abhar" but then you went on to claim that "So in essense, Al-Wateen is part of Al-Abhar."

4. Your Islamic website agree that Al-Wateen and Al-Abhar are used synonymously.
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

5. Google translate of أَبْهَرِي (qataeat 'abhari) as used in Sunan Abi Dawud 4512 says YOU CUT MY AORTA

If your Islamic Scholars translate both Al-Wateen and Al-Abhar mean AORTA, how is that my Problem!

Please find another excuse!


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The website given is logical enough to guide whoever wants to be guided!

As for people with the Hollywood spirit, na cruise Dem dey!

AntiChristian:
This falsehood is from one of David Wood's video!

1. Al-Wateen used in the Qur'an verse is not the same as Al-Abhar used in the Hadiths! Both were translated as Aorta

In reality, Abhar is a vein that originates from the head and extends to the feet. When the vein extents to the back it is called Al-wateen. So in essense, Al-Wateen is part of Al-Abhar.

When a person's aorta is cut off the person dies immediately! But that Qur'an verse you claimed was not the last verse that was revealed to the Prophet. More so in Qur'an 5:70, Jews were refered to as usually killing the Prophets sent to them!

Even when the Prophet was poisoned he still lived for a few years.

So as usual, you watch David wood and come here to rant!



Whoever needs to can watch David Wood's video and the refutation on it by visiting the site below!
No need to argue on this guy's misguidance. The video have been extensively and logically debunked by our brother, may Allah grant him and us all Taofeeq and Istiqama!
https://www.call-to-monotheism.com/prophet_muhammad__peace_be_upon_him__and_the_taking_of_poison

FxMasterz:


That means it wasn't the poison that killed him. He died because his aorta was cut according to his own personal confession.

TenQ is absolutely correct.

TenQ:

You think they want to hear the truth?

They have succeeded to make Mohammed Assistant-Allah by the way they rever him.

They don't realise that they have made Mohammed equal or at par with Allah in knowledge when the say:
"Allah and his messanger know best!"

In this case Mohammed himself says his Aorta is being cut (according to the curse of Allah) BUT Muslims say he died a natural death.

FxMasterz:
.
They should keep deceiving themselves.

TenQ:

I noticed two things with refutations by Muslims dawahrists. It is usually very long with several unrelated matters to the argument inserted just to make it impossible to read up and confuse the readers.

Secondly, the offending Hadiths are not quoted but every other hadith (many times without traceable references) would be quoted.

It may not apply to all but this is my observation for now

FxMasterz:

I can relate with your second observation. I encountered it while searching for a quranic verse online where Allah was swearing with the moon. Only few links came up. None of them contained the actual verse. The entire articles were spurious explanations muddled up with several unrelated verses without referencing any.

The most annoying thing is that, rather than quote the verse, the refer to it by its name. Seems, some of those verses have names they call them. So, if you're not a Muslim, you'll be totally lost as regarding the argument.

A very organized and well calculated method of deception.