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Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:27pm On Mar 22, 2023
Jehovah witness organization denies Jesus physical resurrection, they teach that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit person and that Jesus body was destroyed.
They erroneously quote 1 Peter 3 :18 to support this false teaching.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Secondly, they said Jesus offered his body as sacrifice so Jesus body was destroyed never for him to have it anymore.

They erroneously interpreted spirtual body in 1 cor 15 :44 as spirit body.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:28pm On Mar 22, 2023
First of all what does 1 Peter 3 18 mean?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Other translations said Jesus was quickened in the spirit.

Note Peter said Jesus was quickened in the spirit not quickened as a spirit. Meaning Jesus had his spirit and since Jesus was in the flesh he ministered in the flesh but when he died his spirit was activated to function without his body.

This is not Jesus resurrection but an in between period between his death in the flesh and physical resurrection.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by franktolk(m): 9:41pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
First of all what does 1 Peter 3 18 mean?

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Other translations said Jesus was quickened in the spirit.

Note Peter said Jesus was quickened in the spirit not quickened as a spirit. Meaning Jesus had his spirit and since Jesus was in the flesh he ministered in the flesh but when he died his spirit was activated to function without his body.

This is not Jesus resurrection but an in between period between his death in the flesh and physical resurrection.

Then, what can you say of John 20:
27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:44pm On Mar 22, 2023
Was Jesus body destroyed without ever being recovered?

Jesus sacrifice ended at the cross he didn't continue his sacrifice somewhere else.

And we know Jesus body was recovered after his death.
All of Jesus sacrifice needed when he died therefore his body couldn't have being destroyed as a sacrifice after his death.

However the scripture said Jesus body was broken not destroyed.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:45pm On Mar 22, 2023
franktolk:


Then, what can you say of John 20:
27Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and look at my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don’t be faithless any longer. Believe!”
Read carefully, I am making a case for Jesus resurrection instead.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 9:46pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
Jehovah witness organization denies Jesus physical resurrection, they teach that Jesus was resurrected as a spirit person and that Jesus body was destroyed.

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"Steep claim/ post:
"They teach that Jesus body was destroyed"

Oga Steep, this is a FALSE claim you are making.
Your FALSE claim is NOT JWs teaching at all.


Jehovah's witnesses teach that Jesus Christ body was a sacrifice/offering for our sins, Hebrews 10:10, that's what your Bible teaches.

Money you donate into your Church box is a sacrifice from your sweat.
Do you destroy that Offering/Donation?
Do you take back Offering/Donation?

The Offering/Donation have served it's purpose for good.

Hebrews 10:10, John 6:51,How do you expect Jesus Christ to take back his body he donated for Sacrifice of your sins?
@John17:1-5,24 was Jesus Christ a human being in heaven before his earthly birth?

Oga,This is a very simple Bible concept nau.

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Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:50pm On Mar 22, 2023
God promised that Jesus body would not be destroyed.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus said he will raise his body after three days.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


However Jehovah witness organization interpret his body as the congregation or the church

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Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:52pm On Mar 22, 2023
Janosky:


"Steep claim/ post:
"They teach that Jesus body was destroyed"

Oga Steep, this is a FALSE claim you are making.
Your FALSE claim is NOT JWs teaching at all.


Jehovah's witnesses teach that Jesus Christ body was a sacrifice/offering for our sins, Hebrews 10:10, that's what your Bible teaches.

Money you donate into your Church box is a sacrifice from your sweat.
Do you destroy that Offering/Donation?
Do you take back Offering/Donation?

The Offering/Donation have served it's purpose for good.

Hebrews 10:10, John 6:51,How do you expect Jesus Christ to take back his body he donated for Sacrifice of your sins?
@John17:1-5,24 was Jesus Christ a human being in heaven before his earthly birth?

Oga,This is a very simple Bible concept nau.
Didn't Jesus take back his life he laid down?

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me,

because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:57pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
God promised that Jesus body would not be destroyed.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus said he will raise his body after three days.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


However Jehovah witness organization interpret his body as the congregation or the church
The problem with this their interpretation is that Jesus promised that the gate of hell will never prevail against his church/congregation.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

There was no time the church was dead, although local church might close down but the body of believers has never being dead at any time in history.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:00pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:



They erroneously quote 1 Peter 3 :18 to support this false teaching.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

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1 Peter 3:18
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"


HCSB translation is the simplest version of
1 Peter 3:18.
Christ died in the earthly realm & came back to life in the spiritual realm, simple as ABC.

1 Peter 3:18 is accurate & agree with Hebrews 10:10 & John 17:1-5,24.
Did Jesus Christ teach John & Paul the apostles?
Yes


For your information, Holman Christian Standard Bible are your fellow Trinitarians.

Why would the same ghost leading you & leading HCSB translators disagree with your claim?
gringrin
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:06pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
Didn't Jesus take back his life he laid down?

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me,

because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Did Jesus Christ have life in a human body in heaven @John 17:1-5,24 with his Father?
Answer,No.

@John 10:17, Jesus Christ is taking back his life back as a spirit, John 17:1-5,24 Jesus Christ explained it thoroughly nau.



grin
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 10:10pm On Mar 22, 2023
Jesus resurrected body a spirit body or a spiritual body?

First understand what the word spiritual means.
It is used quite a number of times in the bible.

It is used to describe the law.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is "spiritual" as against "carnal" meaning the law does not follow man's natural desire, carnal means what human beings naturally wants.

Paul said the Jews ate spiritual food and drink from a spiritual rock.
Did he mean me they ate spirit food and drank from spirit rock, no!

1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

We know that the jews ate physical food and the rock was physical.
But the food was not produced by man or natural process neither did the rock produce water by natural process. But by the power of God, and christ was the actual rock that gave them that water.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:11pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
God promised that Jesus body would not be destroyed.

Psalms 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Jesus said he will raise his body after three days.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.


2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.


However Jehovah witness organization interpret his body as the congregation or the church

Hebrews 10:10 addressed your FALSE claim.
you are just ranting offkey with your FALSE claim.

Jesus Christ body was a ransom sacrifice offering. The same manner you put offering into your Church box.
Your offering sacrifice would serve its purpose and you never demand for ,nor take back your offering.

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Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 10:12pm On Mar 22, 2023
Janosky:


1 Peter 3:18
Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God, after being put to death in the fleshly realm but made alive in the spiritual realm"


HCSB translation is the simplest version of
1 Peter 3:18.
Christ died in the earthly realm & came back to life in the spiritual realm, simple as ABC.

1 Peter 3:18 is accurate & agree with Hebrews 10:10 & John 17:1-5,24.
Did Jesus Christ teach John & Paul the apostles?
Yes


For your information, Holman Christian Standard Bible are your fellow Trinitarians.

Why would the same ghost leading you & leading HCSB translators disagree with your claim?
gringrin
After Jesus was put to death in the flesh he was made alive in spirit realm, this is not his bodily resurrection. To quicken means to energized.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 10:14pm On Mar 22, 2023
Janosky:


Hebrews 10:10 addressed your FALSE claim.
you are just ranting offkey with your FALSE claim.

Jesus Christ body was a ransom sacrifice offering. The same manner you put offering into your Church box.
Your offering sacrifice would serve its purpose and you never demand for ,nor take back your offering.
According to Paul Jesus body was broken not destroyed.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 10:23pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
Jesus resurrected body a spirit body or a spiritual body?

First understand what the word spiritual means.
It is used quite a number of times in the bible.

It is used to describe the law.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

The law is "spiritual" as against "carnal" meaning the law does not follow man's natural desire, carnal means what human beings naturally wants.

Paul said the Jews ate spiritual food and drink from a spiritual rock.
Did he mean me they ate spirit food and drank from spirit rock, no!

1 Corinthians 10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;

10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

We know that the jews ate physical food and the rock was physical.
But the food was not produced by man or natural process neither did the rock produce water by natural process. But by the power of God, and christ was the actual rock that gave them that water.



in 1 Corinthians 15, the distinction was between natural and spiritual.

1 Corinthians 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The natural body is is one that is subject to nature but the spiritual body is not.

The spiritual body does not age nor decay.

Jesus body was not destroyed but was raised to be to be spiritual.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:27pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
After Jesus was put to death in the flesh he was made alive in spirit realm, this is not his bodily resurrection. To quicken means to energized.
Quicken, Bible definition;
To resurrect,raise up from the dead.

Romans 4:17 & 1 Corinthians 15:22, Give life to the dead, resurrect the dead

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Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:28pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
According to Paul Jesus body was broken not destroyed.

Hebrews 10:10, Jehovah's witnesses stick to the scriptures,not the FALSE claim you have made here.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:32pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:
After Jesus was put to death in the flesh he was made alive in spirit realm, this is not his bodily resurrection. To quicken means to energized.

Jesus Christ was raised to life in the spirit realm.

Jesus a spirit from the spirit realm, came to the Earthly realm & went back again to the spirit realm.
As a spirit of course!

Luke 24:4,23 spirits do not have need for bodily resurrection in order to appear to men.
The Spirits were called "men" but they were not humans.

The same manner Jesus Christ has no need for a bodily resurrection of the perfect body he donated for sacrifice of sins.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 10:46pm On Mar 22, 2023
Steep:



They erroneously interpreted spirtual body in 1 cor 15 :44 as spirit body.

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Does God the spirit have eyes, mouth,ears ,face ,hands & form in the spiritual realm ?
Oga Steep, abeg you, put your God given brain to use.
E get why grin

God has form, therefore God has body like other of spirits, invisible to human eyes


Stop DECEIVING yourself.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 6:36am On Mar 23, 2023
Janosky:


Hebrews 10:10, Jehovah's witnesses stick to the scriptures,not the FALSE claim you have made here.

Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

It didn't say Jesus body was destroyed
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:37am On Mar 23, 2023
Don't bother yourself over what another religion teaches intensify in your own since you believe what your own religion teaches then go out there and make disciples baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit teaching them to observe all the things Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} JWs are doing just that and members across the globe have become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word. Act 1:8
So instead of giving yourself a headache over what JWs teaches their members to remove the making buying selling and using of weapons in their hearts {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} why not work hard to achieve something worthwhile so observers can see the WORKS of your Faith! James 2:18-26 smiley

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Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 9:55am On Mar 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Don't bother yourself over what another religion teaches intensify in your own since you believe what your own religion teaches then go out there and make disciples baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit teaching them to observe all the things Jesus commanded {Matthew 28:19-20} JWs are doing just that and members across the globe have become zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word. Act 1:8
So instead of giving yourself a headache over what JWs teaches their members to remove the making buying selling and using of weapons in their hearts {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} why not work hard to achieve something worthwhile so observers can see the WORKS of your Faith! James 2:18-26 smiley
Why does watch tower bother about what Christiendom teaches?
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:15pm On Mar 23, 2023
Steep:
Why does watch tower bother about what Christiendom teaches?

Which religion specifically bears that name CHRISTENDOM? undecided
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 3:14pm On Mar 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Which religion specifically bears that name CHRISTENDOM? undecided
you said "don't bother about what other religions teaches" and I said why does jehovah false witness bother about what Christiendom teach?

It does not matter whether the religion has a name or not, that is not the issue.


False witness liars.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 4:53pm On Mar 23, 2023
Steep:


Hebrews 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

It didn't say Jesus body was destroyed
Hebrews 10:10, is the evidence that Oga Steep lied against JWs.
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Janosky: 4:59pm On Mar 23, 2023
Steep:
you said "don't bother about what other religions teaches" and I said why soes jehovah false witness bother about what Christiendom teach?

It does not matter whether the religion has a name or not, that is not the issue.


False witness liars.

Steep FALSE claim/ post:
"They teach that Jesus body was destroyed"

But you were LYING with this FALSE claim in your own thread.

Why do you DECEIVE yourself?
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:10pm On Mar 23, 2023
Steep:

you said "don't bother about what other religions teaches" and I said why soes jehovah false witness bother about what Christiendom teach? It does not matter whether the religion has a name or not, that is not the issue.
False witness liars.
Dude there are over 41,000 different sects all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, they often condemn one another so for you to single out just one out of the 41,000 saying they speak against Christendom shows you don't know what you're saying.
Two Churches in Christendom don't agree as regards doctrines so if you call out just one what about Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Celestial, C & S, Christ Embassy, Lord Chosen, KICC, Salvation Ministry, Dominion City, Harvesters and many more like that. All these different religions answer "Christendom" and none agree with another that's why each is standing on its own. So calling out a religion saying they contradicts Christendom when there is no agreement in the Christendom regarding doctrines sounds really stupid to me! undecided

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Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by Steep: 5:19pm On Mar 23, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Dude there are over 41,000 different sects all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines, they often condemn one another so for you to single out just one out of the 41,000 saying they speak against Christendom shows you don't know what you're saying.
Two Churches in Christendom don't agree as regards doctrines so if you call out just one what about Deeperlife, RCCG, MFM, Catholic, Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Celestial, C & S, Christ Embassy, Lord Chosen, KICC, Salvation Ministry, Dominion City, Harvesters and many more like that. All these different religions answer "Christendom" and none agree with another that's why each is standing on its own. So calling out a religion saying they contradicts Christendom when there is no agreement in the Christendom regarding doctrines sounds really stupid to me! undecided
Why are you criticizing their teachings if you don't want yours criticized simple
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:36pm On Mar 23, 2023
Steep:
Why are you criticizing their teachings if you don't want yours criticized simple

Which particular religion am i criticizing?

Note that all these religions are criticizing one another so please tell me the particular one i have been criticizing don't just fling dust in the air saying someone also flung it yesterday try to be specific, mention just one church that i have been criticizing on this forum! smiley
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by sonmvayina(m): 5:43pm On Mar 23, 2023
Janosky:


Does God the spirit have eyes, mouth,ears ,face ,hands & form in the spiritual realm ?
Oga Steep, abeg you, put your God given brain to use.
E get why grin

God has form, therefore God has body like other of spirits, invisible to human eyes


Stop DECEIVING yourself.
I don't have any need for jesus and whatever he represents.
But,

What did I just see??

Which form?
Re: Jesus Resurrected body A Spiritual Body Or Spirit Body by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:23pm On Mar 23, 2023
The only problem with most of you is inferiority complex, you don't have anything to preach or teach so instead of going for a Bible study with JWs you feel like criticizing their teaching so you can hear from them then you disguise as if they're the ones criticizing.
What is the name of your church, doctrine and how exactly has JWs criticized it? undecided

Instead of you to come out openly asking JWs to explain to you what you don't understand in their teachings you are here calling them critic when actually you're the one criticizing their teaching.

JWs teach that Jesus died in the human body and resurrected as a spirit there's no criticism in that as far as i'm concerned that's a unique teaching so if you want to understand what they meant the best thing to do is walk up to any JW and politely speak with them regarding what you think about the topic of discussion then hear them out if there's agreement fine if there's no agreement it's OK, two churches in Christendom never agree on all doctrines and JWs don't disagree with everything all others believe, at least JWs believe Jesus is God's Son, only through his teachings can anyone be saved, he will rule over God's kingdom and Christians must preach about this to their neighbours. Anything outside these always leads to contradictions among the churches so why calling out just one claiming they criticize others as if others have perfectly agreed on doctrines? smiley

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