He said, "It is unbelievable, despicable and unfortunate that our Nigerian brothers now act as spies and informants to police authorities for monetary gains against their fellow Nigerians,'' Marwa said at an interactive session with Nigerians on Saturday in Johannesburg.

"How do you leave your country and decide to become an informant for the police against your brothers?''

This is not part of our culture at all."

The High Commissioner, who expressed regret that the activities of few bad Nigerians had dented the image of Nigeria, was full of praises for Nigerian professionals, entrepreneurs and small-scale business people who had continued to make Nigeria proud.


Marwa berates Nigerians for spying for S'African police

Nigeria's High Commissioner to South Africa, Dr. Buba Marwa, has condemned the practice by some Nigerians who act as spies and informants to the South Africa police.

He advised those acting as informants to return to Nigeria if they had no visible means of livelihood, saying that they too constituted part of the bad elements among Nigerians who ``should be ashamed to be called Nigerians''.

Marwa encouraged all Nigerians to remain good ambassadors of their country saying that ``I stand here to assure you that the cases of harassment and intimidation will stop forthwith as long as you continue to act within the scope of the law.''

While the High Commissioner reiterated that these acts were unacceptable to the Nigerian government he said that "The Consul-General and I have been working and meeting people in authority at higher levels and with the South African government to discuss these issues.

``We will do whatever it takes to protect your interest and project the image of our country in glowing light,'' he said.

He urged Nigerians, as soccer loving people, to give maximum support and rousing reception to the Super Eagles when they arrive for a one-week camping in South Africa in preparation for the 2010 World Cup qualifiers match against the Mozambican national team on March 28.

snitching is allowed if it would put a criminal away.

Question to all


If you find your brothers or sisters involued in corrupt malpractices are you brave enough to report them to the relevant authorities.  Please bear in mind that your response clearly confirms the present status of Nigeria

blacksta:

He said, "It is unbelievable, despicable and unfortunate that our Nigerian brothers now act as spies and informants to police authorities for monetary gains against their fellow Nigerians,'' Marwa said at an interactive session with Nigerians on Saturday in Johannesburg.

"How do you leave your country and decide to become an informant for the police against your brothers?''
This is not part of our culture at all."
The High Commissioner, who expressed regret that the activities of few bad Nigerians had dented the image of Nigeria, was full of praises for Nigerian professionals, entrepreneurs and small-scale business people who had continued to make Nigeria proud.

roflmao!!!

i find it hard to believe Marwa said some of the things printed above. if it is actually true that he did, then i guess he is not a smart/principled/upright/etc etc as we are made to believe.

Left to me i'll rat them out. yes i might be regarded as the black sheep in the family but if its to fix the ills of this country. then lets fire on all cylinders, although i hope not to find myself in such situation.

Blacksta, i asked a similar question u to what u just asked an some thread a couple of weeks ago. i'll copy as paste it again with a few modifications.

[size=14pt]u apply for a job and during ur interview u are asked,

"if you suspect ur coworker is stealing/involved in fraud what do u do?"
A report to ur superior
B keep quiet and not do anything
C confront them about it, advice them to stop and you wont report to ur superior
D ignore the situation because u dont want to be seen as a snitch

wetin all of una go do.[/size]

initially only about 2 people responded to the question, hopefully some others would do same here. from the statement being credited to marwa in the above post, i can close my eyes and pick his answer and i sure would be right. only reason i wont is if he lies in his response.

This is not part of our culture at all

no wonder its hard to read kiss and tell stories, just imagine the number of pot-bellied politicians that could've been
caught in the act
unilag, oou, oau etc etc

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I know hypocrites will be here saying it's right but will never admit those snitching are doing it for money not for the sake of eradicating crime.

9jaganja:

I know hypocrites will be here saying it's right but will never admit those snitching are doing it for money not for the sake of eradicating crime.

So? it's only snitching if the informant is actually involved in the crime.  Anyone else is doing a service to society.  Maybe our "brothers" should consider an honest living. We may not need to run to South Africa if Nigeria had more whistleblowers in the past.

bawomolo:

So? it's only snitching if the informant is actually involved in the crime.  Anyone else is doing a service to society.  Maybe our "brothers" should consider an honest living. We may not need to run to South Africa if Nigeria had more whistleblowers in the past.

And what makes you think the snitches won't do crime themselves if they see a mugun? Please! Hypocrisy is contagious. If the criminal finds out the snitch and murdered the aproko, Who will you say is at fault? Cover your mouth if you don't want flies in it. It's none of your business unless you are the victim or the victim is close to you!!!. If not, mind your goddamn biz .

9jaganja:

It's none of your business unless you are the victim or the victim is close to you!!!. If not, mind your goddamn biz .

I guess we should wait till we are victims.

bawomolo:

I guess we should wait till we are victims.

No one is saying you wait till you are victim but when something is none of your business, stay out of it. Many Nigerians in the UK and US snitch on themselves just because of hate and jealousy not because they think they are doing the right thing. Hypocrites will always support the notion of snitching. I know of someone that got deported from the UK last years cause a fellow Nigerian snitched on him for not having a valid visa and he was still working in the UK. Tell me you won't kill such person if that was you. Please!! It's not as if we go abroad to rape and kill do we? NO! It's just this scam thing that stupid boys are doing and guess what? Nigerians are not the only ones doing it. Pakistanis are the worst Welfare scammers ever!!!

9jaganja:

No one is saying you wait till you are victim but when something is none of your business, stay out of it.

Let me try to understand you well here. So it is Ok to see crime being committed but not call it to the notice of the authorities, or report the culprits because according to you, it is none of your business? But then in the same breath you say not to wait till you are a victim to report crime? I don’t get it. Are you advocating that even when we are the victims, it is still none of our business?

9jaganja:

Many Nigerians in the UK and US snitch on themselves just because of hate and jealousy not because they think they are doing the right thing.

Ok! So based on the above, when you come across a Nigerian criminal abroad, you should never report the crime, but say the culprit was not a Nigerian, you can? I don’t get it!

9jaganja:

Hypocrites will always support the notion of snitching.

What has hypocrisy to do with snitching? I am confuzzled!!

9jaganja:

I know of someone that got deported from the UK last years cause a fellow Nigerian snitched on him for not having a valid visa and he was still working in the UK.

And it is your assumption that EVERYONE that chooses to speak out against crime of any crime does so out of hypocrisy? How do you people come up with these things??

9jaganja:

Tell me you won't kill such person if that was you. Please!!

Isn’t that the between the snitch and the one who was snitched upon? Why do you want to then use that as basis for condemning all those who snitch?

9jaganja:

It's not as if we go abroad to rape and kill do we? NO! It's just this scam thing that stupid boys are doing and guess what? Nigerians are not the only ones doing it. Pakistanis are the worst Welfare scammers ever!!!

Ok. So if you agree that Nigerians are not the only ones doing it, then why do you jump to claim that when Nigerians are snitched upon, it is out of hypocrisy, when the same snitch could have also reported people of other nationalities?

Or is this all personal?

9jaganja:

No one is saying you wait till you are victim but when something is none of your business, stay out of it. Many Nigerians in the UK and US snitch on themselves just because of hate and jealousy not because they think they are doing the right thing. Hypocrites will always support the notion of snitching. I know of someone that got deported from the UK last years cause a fellow Nigerian snitched on him for not having a valid visa and he was still working in the UK. Tell me you won't kill such person if that was you. Please!! It's not as if we go abroad to rape and kill do we? NO! It's just this scam thing that stupid boys are doing and guess what? Nigerians are not the only ones doing it. Pakistanis are the worst Welfare scammers ever!!!

So from what you have said what I can deduce is that we should not report an offense unless it is our business.
We Nigerians selling drugs and committing fraud in South Africa is my business. I hate how the first thing people think of when they here Nigeria is 419!
As for the Pakistanis abusing social welfare systems that is their prerogative. A Nigerian would rather commit 419 than to be on welfare and that is a bigger problem.

I hate seeing people breaking the law because at the end of the day it does indeed have an effect on all of us, through increased police budgets to finding these perpetrators to more jails. I hate being associated with the negative stereotypes that Nigerian fraudsters have enshrined upon all of us. In fact if I had time I would definitely be a scambaiter

Same here. I see a fellow Nigerian committing crime, I don't care who your mama be, I go SQUEAL!! Roflmao!!

Kobojunkie:

Let me try to understand you well here. So it is Ok to see crime being committed but not call it to the notice of the authorities, or report the culprits because according to you, it is none of your business? But then in the same breath you say not to wait till you are a victim to report crime? I don’t get it. Are you advocating that even when we are the victims, it is still none of our business?Ok! So based on the above, when you come across a Nigerian criminal abroad, you should never report the crime, but say the culprit was not a Nigerian, you can? I don’t get it!What has hypocrisy to do with snitching? I am confuzzled!!
And it is your assumption that EVERYONE that chooses to speak out against crime of any crime does so out of hypocrisy? How do you people come up with these things??Isn’t that the between the snitch and the one who was snitched upon? Why do you want to then use that as basis for condemning all those who snitch? Ok. So if you agree that Nigerians are not the only ones doing it, then why do you jump to claim that when Nigerians are snitched upon, it is out of hypocrisy, when the same snitch could have also reported people of other nationalities?

Or is this all personal?

You don't get it. My point is stop talking shit when you are not asked a question. I don't know what's going on in SA but I do know about the US and Canada. Are saying it's ok to go and snitch on someone with expired visa? Or someone who lied about age to get into the country? or someone who is using someone else's papers to work? But many Nigerians are fund of destroyi8ng other's goals just cause of jealousy. I know yahoo boys that snitch on themselves simply because one is making more money (not my friends ooo). I know many yahoo boys in Toronto but I'm not going to the police to snitch at all. unless I'm called in for questioning. If not, NO!!

Also by hypocrisy, I meant those who choose to ignore the fact that many of the snitches will do the same crime if it open room for large amount of cash.

9jaganja:

You don't get it. My point is stop talking shit when you are not asked a question. I don't know what's going on in SA but I do know about the US and Canada. Are saying it's ok to go and snitch on someone with expired visa? Or someone who lied about age to get into the country? or someone who is using someone else's papers to work? But many Nigerians are fund of destroyi8ng other's goals just cause of jealousy. I know yahoo boys that snitch on themselves simply because one is making more money (not my friends ooo). I know many yahoo boys in Toronto but I'm not going to the police to snitch at all. unless I'm called in for questioning. If not, NO!!

Also by hypocrisy, I meant those who choose to ignore the fact that many of the snitches will do the same crime if it open room for large amount of cash.

Yes, Yes, and Yes!
Their are some good human beings still remaining in this world you know.

9jaganja:

You don't get it. My point is stop talking shit when you are not asked a question.

I hate to break it to you, your response only shows where your moral compass is pointing, but I have to add that I am grateful that there are Nigerians out there who are able to at least stand for good ALL THE TIME.

9jaganja:

I don't know what's going on in SA but I do know about the US and Canada. Are saying it's ok to go and snitch on someone with expired visa? Or someone who lied about age to get into the country? or someone who is using someone else's papers to work?

You know, it is easy to say the above when you have not been a victim of identity theft ever. I remember meeting a Kenyan gal about a year ago in the Library. She was in panic, demanding the Library attendant give her information on how she can get the information on the person using her identity to work and even make purchases while she gets the heat for the person’s activities. You mean if I knew who it was I should definitely not squeal?

You complain about those who commit 419 crimes, and give Nigerians a bad name but you fail to realize that the reason they continue to do so is because those around them choose to claim it is none of their business and so we all end up suffering the consequence as Nigerians. They have relatives, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles and aunts who know of their crimes, benefit and choose each day to turn a blind eye. Is that what you want for your beloved Nigeria?

9jaganja:

But many Nigerians are fund of destroyi8ng other's goals just cause of jealousy. I know yahoo boys that snitch on themselves simply because one is making more money (not my friends ooo). I know many yahoo boys in Toronto but I'm not going to the police to snitch at all. unless I'm called in for questioning. If not, NO!!

Lo and Behold we find out to truth. You are now telling us that by not reporting these men to the police, you are doing your country, Nigeria, good? You are a better person than he who sees and knows the same but chooses to report the crime to the police? I have a problem when people come on in public to proclaim all will be well but in the same breath tell us of how they make conscious choices to do nothing useful to see that change come to light but instead expect it all to MAGICALLY happen! If you want to believe you are doing a better job representing Nigeria by your actions up there in Toronto, I say goodluck!

Snitching does not in anyway absolve you of future sins. A Person can snitch today and be caught for crime tomorrow. It has nothing to do with hypocrisy but all to do with the fact that  we are humans and can change the next day.

Kobojunkie:

I hate to break it to you, your response only shows where your moral compass is pointing, but I have to add that I am grateful that there are Nigerians out there who are able to at least stand for good ALL THE TIME.

You know, it is easy to say the above when you have not been a victim of identity theft ever. I remember meeting a Kenyan gal about a year ago in the Library. She was in panic, demanding the Library attendant give her information on how she can get the information on the person using her identity to work and even make purchases while she gets the heat for the person’s activities. You mean if I knew who it was I should definitely not squeal?

You complain about those who commit 419 crimes, and give Nigerians a bad name but you fail to realize that the reason they continue to do so is because those around them choose to claim it is none of their business and so we all end up suffering the consequence as Nigerians. They have relatives, mothers, brothers, sisters, uncles and aunts who know of their crimes, benefit and choose each day to turn a blind eye. Is that what you want for your beloved Nigeria?

Lo and Behold we find out to truth. You are now telling us that by not reporting these men to the police, you are doing your country, Nigeria, good? You are a better person than he who sees and knows the same but chooses to report the crime to the police? I have a problem when people come on in public to proclaim all will be well but in the same breath tell us of how they make conscious choices to do nothing useful to see that change come to light but instead expect it all to MAGICALLY happen! If you want to believe you are doing a better job representing Nigeria by your actions up there in Toronto, I say goodluck!

Snitching does not in anyway absolve you of future sins. A Person can snitch today and be caught for crime tomorrow. It has nothing to do with hypocrisy but all to do with the fact that  we are humans and can change the next day.

I don't get into other people's business. They have nothing to do with me. I'm not going to just work up to the police station and say "those guys are scammers you should arrest them". Common!!!! I was born in and raised in Lagos, I'm too street wise to do such thing!!!.

9jaganja:

I don't get into other people's business. They have nothing to do with me. I'm not going to just work up to the police station and say "those guys are scammers you should arrest them". Common!!!! I was born in and raised in Lagos, I'm too street wise to do such thing!!!.

I was born and raised in Lagos as well, I am also street wise but I know that the reason the streets of Lagos remain as is today is because we have cowards walking around with information that could potentially SAVE LIVES but choose each day to turn a blind eye, claiming it is none of their business. Ever wonder how many deaths on the streets of lagos could have been avoided if only people opened up to speak out? Ever wonder how much easier the lives of millions in that country could have been made easier if we had snitches in offices to give people outside access to truth that could save their lives? I am reminded of the recent Teething drug incident. The deaths that resulted could have been prevented if only someone snitched on that company. People knew of what was going on but many kept quiet claiming it was none of their business; they watched as babies died and kept consoling themselves with claims that it was none of their business. Would you be happy with someone who came to you with that excuse had your own brother or child died as a result?
I mean if you are here to tell us that you completely sanction the crime committed in that country each day, against ordinary citizens, be it by those in power or by the many armed robbers and criminals we have out there, and the crime committed worldwide by Nigerians abroad, then I will understand this mindset of yours.

LOL! I want to know the exact problem he has with this. Does he want us to become enablers? This is really hilarious. I love the fact that he's mad that people are helping us clean up our image in another country.
However, these people acting as spies should spy for their country first before spying for another country police. Maybe if we actually had a police force, we could hire South Africans to spy for us too. . .

Kobojunkie:

I was born and raised in Lagos as well, I am also street wise but I know that the reason the streets of Lagos remain as is today is because we have cowards walking around with information that could potentially SAVE LIVES but choose each day to turn a blind eye, claiming it is none of their business. Ever wonder how many deaths on the streets of lagos could have been avoided if only people opened up to speak out? Ever wonder how much easier the lives of millions in that country could have been made easier if we had snitches in offices to give people outside access to truth that could save their lives? I am reminded of the recent Teething drug incident. The deaths that resulted could have been prevented if only someone snitched on that company. People knew of what was going on but many kept quiet claiming it was none of their business; they watched as babies died and kept consoling themselves with claims that it was none of their business. Would you be happy with someone who came to you with that excuse had your own brother or child died as a result?
I mean if you are here to tell us that you completely sanction the crime committed in that country each day, against ordinary citizens, be it by those in power or by the many armed robbers and criminals we have out there, and the crime committed worldwide by Nigerians abroad, then I will understand this mindset of yours.

I doubt anyone with information that could save lives in Lagos will keep it. No one is talking about knowing someone wants to kill people and keeping quiet. You are blowing it out of proportion to defend your point. How many Nigerians go outside Nigeria to kill people? I think abroad is actually a rehab for many Nigerian criminals.

9jaganja:

I doubt anyone with information that could save lives in Lagos will keep it. No one is talking about knowing someone wants to kill people and keeping quiet. You are blowing it out of proportion to defend your point. How many Nigerians go outside Nigeria to kill people? I think abroad is actually a rehab for many Nigerian criminals.

Oh! So you believe no one knew of the poisoning of the teething drug back in Nigeria? Is this sort of like saying the Chinese factory workers where milk was tainted with melamine had absolutely no clue of what was going on? You seriously want to claim NO ONE KNEW THIS hence the reason why NO ONE saw fit to speak out against it before it was too late?

Now you are trying to water down the situation so your point might seem rational. Yes, people withhold information daily that could potentially save lives. Think of the many suicides that have potentially resulted from you keeping quiet about the activities of the yahoo boys you know of up there in Canada. Ever think of the children and families that have been made homeless as a result of people claiming it is not their place to blow the whistle on corruption where they see it? Are you going to tell me next that when swindled by these same yahoo boys, you know for a fact that none of the victims have committed suicide or have lost it all and ended up dead of the streets? You claim that you were raised on the streets of Lagos, so are you going to tell me that no one of those street boys have ever resorted or stabbing and potentially murdering any of their victims? Do we live in a disconnected world then where the action of those who commit crime NEVER affect the lives of those affected by these crimes?

By the way, are you saying that because Nigerians do not go outside to kill people means no Nigerian has ever killed anyone outside of Nigeria? Abroad is rehab for many Nigerian criminals yet you confessed earlier that you have information on yahoo yahoo boys right there in Canada that you choose to remain mum on, or is Canada no longer to be considered part of ABROAD? Or let me guess, it is only CRIME when someone actually gets killed, else it is not crime? If so, are you at least willing to tell us all here that you are ok with the corruption and crime that continues in Nigeria to date? Are you willing to stand here today to tell us that 419 is no big deal and so should not be treated as serious crime?

@ Kobo

You can not revolutionize the way certain people think. They will always have a "save face" attitude.
It takes a lot of guts to see something bad and do something about it. I lot of people would rather "mind their business" and allow things to continue as usual.

Most of China is against communism yet it is still allowed to rule. ( The communist party has less than 10% membership)
Most Nigerians are against corruption yet it is still allowed to flourish. (we have people who will rather stay mum than to report acts of corruption)

Kobojunkie:

Oh! So you believe no one knew of the poisoning of the teething drug back in Nigeria? Is this sort of like saying the Chinese factory workers where milk was tainted with melamine had absolutely no clue of what was going on? You seriously want to claim NO ONE KNEW THIS hence the reason why NO ONE saw fit to speak out against it before it was too late?

Now you are trying to water down the situation so your point might seem rational. Yes, people withhold information daily that could potentially save lives. Think of the many suicides that have potentially resulted from you keeping quiet about the activities of the yahoo boys you know of up there in Canada. Ever think of the children and families that have been made homeless as a result of people claiming it is not their place to blow the whistle on corruption where they see it? Are you going to tell me next that when swindled by these same yahoo boys, you know for a fact that none of the victims have committed suicide or have lost it all and ended up dead of the streets? You claim that you were raised on the streets of Lagos, so are you going to tell me that no one of those street boys have ever resorted or stabbing and potentially murdering any of their victims? Do we live in a disconnected world then where the action of those who commit crime NEVER affect the lives of those affected by these crimes?

By the way, are you saying that because Nigerians do not go outside to kill people means no Nigerian has ever killed anyone outside of Nigeria? Abroad is rehab for many Nigerian criminals yet you confessed earlier that you have information on yahoo yahoo boys right there in Canada that you choose to remain mum on, or is Canada no longer to be considered part of ABROAD? Or let me guess, it is only CRIME when someone actually gets killed, else it is not crime? If so, are you at least willing to tell us all here that you are ok with the corruption and crime that continues in Nigeria to date? Are you willing to stand here today to tell us that 419 is no big deal and so should not be treated as serious crime?

You are escalating your analogy to defend a little point and also to point out against my point. If I see someone poisoning people or about to do so, of course I'll talk. But If I see someone working a fake work permit, it's non of my business. I think you'll have a big mouth in reality. You are blowing it out of proportion. Stop making a big analogy for a little point. It just makes you annoying. If I know someone is about to kill people of course I'll talk. But if someone is sleeping with your girl friend, it's none of my business!!! Did you have to go big like poisoning in china and stuff? Damn!!!!

9jaganja:

You are escalating your analogy to defend a little point and also to point out against my point. If I see someone poisoning people or about to do so, of course I'll talk. But If I see someone working a fake work permit, it's non of my business. I think you'll have a big mouth in reality. You are blowing it out of proportion. Stop making a big analogy for a little point. It just makes you annoying. If I know someone is about to kill people of course I'll talk. But if someone is sleeping with your girl friend, it's none of my business!!! Did you have to go big like poisoning in china and stuff? Damn!!!!

And we continue to wonder what is wrong with Nigeria, and how come Life is difficult for many out there?? WOW!!

Kobojunkie:

And we continue to wonder what is wrong with Nigeria, and how come Life is difficult for many out there?? WOW!!

Is that a point or a supporting statement? The fact that I'm not snitching on someone who kissed your girl friend doesn't make life difficult for anyone. The fact that Nnamdi is selling something he bought for $2 at a price rate of $10 and I refused to report to the police doesn't make your life any difficult okay!! accept it that snitching caused  jealousy and envy is bad.

Just when I think you can’t possibly come up with a more amazing story to offer, you come up with an even more astonishing analogy to try to rationalize your stance! If you want to believe as you choose, that is fine by me. I just do not agree with you, nor do I see the reasoning behind the argument, and analogies you have used thus far. I happen to be one who is against ALL CRIME. I was just praying the other day and asking God to give me the courage to serve out my sentence should I be found guilty of any crime. I happen to be one whose life has been seriously affected, in so many ways, by people around choosing to "Mind there own business". So, you can understand how what you are saying will likely never make sense to me, and so I ask that we call it a day.

A day it is. Thanks for not calling me names though. I was expecting that but you surprised me. However, I still don't agree I have to be an aproko for the society to be better. Have a nice one!!

9jaganja:

A day it is. Thanks for not calling me names though. I was expecting that but you surprised me. However, I still don't agree I have to be an aproko for the society to be better. Have a nice one!!

Seems you mistook kobo for funmi.

no wonder we found millions stacked in overhead water storage tanks after the death of some millitary man some ten years ago. his family members knew there was money stacked in there yet didnt say anything. OLE NI GBO GBO WON!