1Co. 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; [Gen. 2:7] the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
1Co. 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
1Co. 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

The fall of man led to man losing the Holy Spirit. Once the Holy Spirit is not in man, man is no longer a living soul, but a dead soul. A living soul is a soul that can grow towards the level of God and thereby become a life-giving spirit. When Satan instigated man to go against the commandment of God, he basically murdered the soul of man (Jn. 8:44). Man was barred from receiving the Holy Spirit again (Ge. 3:22-24).

In order for the soul of man to be redeemed from its dead state, an Adam must be offered as a sacrifice of atonement for the sin of the original Adam. Just as God provided a lamb for Abraham to sacrifice (Ge. 22:8, 13), God brought an Adam into the world to offer himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of mankind.

Jn. 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Ac. 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac. 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In order to benefit from the redemption that Jesus Christ carried out for us, we begin with repentance. The fall of man was caused by man’s disregard of the word of God. Repentance means to have a high regard for the word of God, which leads to a desire to keep the commandments of God. Then comes baptism into the name of Jesus Christ. Baptism into the name of Jesus Christ unites a person with the death that Jesus Christ died for us and makes it the person’s death to the original Adam and his sins. The person is spiritually grafted into Jesus Christ. The original Adam and his children cannot receive the Holy Spirit again, whereas Jesus and his children easily receive the Holy Spirit. The person has therefore crossed over from death to life (Jn. 5:24). All that it takes for such a person to receive the Holy Spirit is to ask God for the gift of the Holy Spirit. God guarantees that He will give the Holy Spirit if He is asked (Lk. 11:13).

When a person is baptized into Jesus Christ in water and in the Spirit, the person becomes a living soul. The person now has the potential to become a life-giving spirit, just like God. What is the process of rising up to become a life-giving spirit?

1Pe. 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

A comparison of the original Adam and the new Adam shows how the original Adam fell from glory and the new Adam ascended in glory. That’s all we need in order to discover the process of rising up to become a life-giving spirit. Note that the two Adams began life as earthly beings, of the dust of the earth. When God put His Spirit into each Adam, he became a living soul. The original Adam fell from living soul to dead soul, whereas the new Adam rose from living soul to life-giving spirit.

Ro. 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
Ro. 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
Ro. 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ro. 3:24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Mankind fell short of the glory of God because of sin. After a person has been restored to glory (becoming a living soul through baptisms), the way to rise towards becoming a life-giving spirit is to practice the righteousness from God through faith in Jesus Christ. Faith in Jesus Christ simply means to follow the way of Jesus Christ and shun the sinful way of the original Adam. How did Jesus Christ practice the righteousness from God and how did Adam fail to practice it?

Ge. 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Ge. 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

When tempted by Satan, the original Adam looked away from God’s word and began to focus on Satan’s word. That was how the original Adam got hooked by sin.

Mt. 4:3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
Mt. 4:4 Jesus answered, “It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’“ [Deut. 8:3]

When tempted by Satan, Jesus never looked away from God’s words. He held on to God’s words and rebuffed Satan’s words using words of God.

Jo. 1:8 Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.

Jn. 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jo. 1:8 captures the righteousness from God. Jesus so much spoke words of God that the Word possessed him—the Word became flesh. Anybody who is in Christ can be possessed by the Word, if the person speaks words that came out of the mouth of God (not every word in the Bible constitutes the Word) as described in Joshua 1:8.

Jn. 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

Ro. 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

In Jn. 3:34 we see that speaking words that came out of the mouth of God (applying the words to oneself) makes God to give the speaker the Holy Spirit (small increments of the Holy Spirit). The more a person speaks words of God, applying same to her/himself, the more the measure of the Holy Spirit grows; the person therefore ascends towards becoming a life-giving spirit. Salvation in Ro. 10:10 simply means growing in the glory of God or divinity, as opposed to falling in glory, which sin causes.

March 31,2024: This season will become a season of exploration and discovery. These two things will take place as we walk in and with the Holy Spirit and by activating the Word of God through continuous application to our lives and circumstances by faith.

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So the first man sin against God, he couldn't forgive him but had to kill his own son to appease himself wow.

Blakjewelry:
So the first man sin against God, he couldn't forgive him but had to kill his own son to appease himself wow.

The first man was also God's son. It's not just a matter of forgiveness. The issue at stake is how to give life back to a soul that lost its life. God's law says that a soul that sins must die (Ez. 18:20). Angels are watching. If God just gives life back to the original Adam, then God must restore all the angels that rebelled against Him, otherwise He is not the holy and just God that He is supposed to be.

Ac. 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realise how true it is that God does not show favouritism
Ac. 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

God's way of saving mankind from death and still preserve His holiness and justice is to establish a new Adam in the world and make it known to the new Adam that it is His will for the new Adam to save mankind from sin by offering himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of mankind. God must not impose on the new Adam that he must do it, rather it is up to the new Adam to selflessly choose to save mankind from death. That way, it is the new Adam who saves mankind and not God, even though God made it possible by bringing the new Adam into the world and making it known that it is His will that the new Adam should save mankind.

Jn. 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Jn. 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Jn. 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
Jn. 10:18 No-one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

Lk. 22:41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,
Lk. 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Lk. 22:43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.

Jesus Christ eventually did the will of God by accepting to offer himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of mankind. Due to the fact that he never sinned, but rather died in fulfillment of the will of God, God's law does not permit him to remain dead. So, God raised him back to life, in fulfillment of His own law that only the soul that sins shall die.

Ph. 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Ph. 2:6 Who, being in very nature [Or in the form of] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Ph. 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature [Or the form] of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Ph. 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Ph. 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
Ph. 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Ph. 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Blakjewelry:
So the first man sin against God, he couldn't forgive him but had to kill his own son to appease himself wow.

killed him and brought him back to life and gave him a seat beside him, making him the second most powerful being in existence. If I want to tell a story, tell it completely 😳. And that was done so that you as well as that first man may have eternal life and enter God's kingdom.

gohf:
killed him and brought him back to life and gave him a seat beside him, making him the second most powerful being in existence. If I want to tell a story, tell it completely 😳. And that was done so that you as well as that first man may have eternal life and enter God's kingdom.

So he did it because of the benefits involved, so why y'all shouting love

Blakjewelry:

So he did it because of the benefits involved, so why y'all shouting love

the Father's love because he gave, wait whose love are you talking about
You say you all, who are these lemme know

gohf:
the Father's love because he gave, wait whose love are you talking about
You say you all, who are these lemme know

You all religious folks.
You said just love the world hence he gave his life, but there are a lot of benefits attached so how is it selfless.

Kei144:


The first man was also God's son. It's not just a matter of forgiveness. The issue at stake is how to give life back to a soul that lost its life. God's law says that a soul that sins must die (Ez. 18:20). Angels are watching. If God just gives life back to the original Adam, then God must restore all the angels that rebelled against Him, otherwise He is not the holy and just God that He is supposed to be.

Ac. 10:34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realise how true it is that God does not show favouritism
Ac. 10:35 but accepts men from every nation who fear him and do what is right.

God's way of saving mankind from death and still preserve His holiness and justice is to establish a new Adam in the world and make it known to the new Adam that it is His will for the new Adam to save mankind from sin by offering himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of mankind. God must not impose on the new Adam that he must do it, rather it is up to the new Adam to selflessly choose to save mankind from death. That way, it is the new Adam who saves mankind and not God, even though God made it possible by bringing the new Adam into the world and making it known that it is His will that the new Adam should save mankind.

Jn. 10:10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
Jn. 10:11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Jn. 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
Jn. 10:18 No-one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

Lk. 22:41 He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them, knelt down and prayed,
Lk. 22:42 “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”
Lk. 22:43 An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him.

Jesus Christ eventually did the will of God by accepting to offer himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of mankind. Due to the fact that he never sinned, but rather died in fulfillment of the will of God, God's law does not permit him to remain dead. So, God raised him back to life, in fulfillment of His own law that only the soul that sins shall die.

Ph. 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Ph. 2:6 Who, being in very nature [Or in the form of] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Ph. 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature [Or the form] of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Ph. 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Ph. 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
Ph. 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Ph. 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

you said God didn't impose his will on the new Adam but you refuse to state that he was bribed with the promise of been raise from the dead plus reward in heaven.

Blakjewelry:

You all religious folks.
You said just love the world hence he gave his life, but there are a lot of benefits attached so how is it selfless.

I did not say that?
😋
Try listening properly okay, you are trying to quote John 3:16 for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son...

Now reread my previous response to you.

Blakjewelry:
you said God didn't impose his will on the new Adam but you refuse to state that he was bribed with the promise of been raise from the dead plus reward in heaven.

God definitely promised him being raised from the dead, but he wasn't aware of the eternal reward in heaven. What God made him to know was limited to what was already prophesied in the Old Testament. Much of what we know about him after he was glorified was revealed by Jesus himself through Apostle Paul. Many people, especially Muslims and former Muslims, misunderstand the ministry of Apostle Paul and say that they only believe what Jesus said during his earthly ministry, but they are not aware that Jesus was limited in knowledge during his earthly ministry. It was after Jesus was glorified that he knew everything.

Jn. 10:17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life — only to take it up again.
Jn. 10:18 No-one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

Mt. 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Jesus didn't know about Mt. 28:18 until he was about to ascend to heaven. How many people would believe God enough that he would raise them up and because of that lay down their lives in the doing of God's will? Faith in God is not so simple. We are just analysing what Jesus did, in hindsight. Did the rich young ruler (Mt. 19:16-30), who was a contemporary of Jesus, believe God enough to give up all his wealth for eternal life?

Kei144:
1Co. 15:45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; [Gen. 2:7] the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
1Co. 15:46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
1Co. 15:47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.

The fall of man led to man losing the Holy Spirit. Once the Holy Spirit is not in man, man is no longer a living soul, but a dead soul. A living soul is a soul that can grow towards the level of God and thereby become a life-giving spirit. When Satan instigated man to go against the commandment of God, he basically murdered the soul of man (Jn. 8:44). Man was barred from receiving the Holy Spirit again (Ge. 3:22-24).

In order for the soul of man to be redeemed from its dead state, an Adam must be offered as a sacrifice of atonement for the sin of the original Adam. Just as God provided a lamb for Abraham to sacrifice (Ge. 22:8, 13), God brought an Adam into the world to offer himself as a sacrifice of atonement for the sins of mankind.

Jn. 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, [Or his only begotten Son] that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Ac. 2:37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
Ac. 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

In order to benefit from the redemption that Jesus Christ carried out for us, we begin with repentance. The fall of man was caused by man’s disregard of the word of God. Repentance means to have a high regard for the word of God, which leads to a desire to keep the commandments of God. Then comes baptism into the name of Jesus Christ. Baptism into the name of Jesus Christ unites a person with the death that Jesus Christ died for us and makes it the person’s death to the original Adam and his sins. The person is spiritually grafted into Jesus Christ. The original Adam and his children cannot receive the Holy Spirit again, whereas Jesus and his children easily receive the Holy Spirit. The person has therefore crossed over from death to life (Jn. 5:24). All that it takes for such a person to receive the Holy Spirit is to ask God for the gift of the Holy Spirit. God guarantees that He will give the Holy Spirit if He is asked (Lk. 11:13).

When a person is baptized into Jesus Christ in water and in the Spirit, the person becomes a living soul. The person now has the potential to become a life-giving spirit, just like God. What is the process of rising up to become a life-giving spirit?

1Pe. 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

A comparison of the original Adam and the new Adam shows how the original Adam fell from glory and the new Adam ascended in glory. That’s all we need in order to discover the process of rising up to become a life-giving spirit. Note that the two Adams began life as earthly beings, of the dust of the earth. When God put His Spirit into each Adam, he became a living soul. The original Adam fell from living soul to dead soul, whereas the new Adam rose from living soul to life-giving spirit.

Ro. 3:21 But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
Ro. 3:22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
Ro. 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Ro. 3:24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Mankind fell short of the glory of God because of sin. After a person has been restored to glory (becoming a living soul through baptisms), the way to rise towards becoming a life-giving spirit is to practice the righteousness from God through faith in Jesus Christ. Faith in Jesus Christ simply means to follow the way of Jesus Christ and shun the sinful way of the original Adam. How did Jesus Christ practice the righteousness from God and how did Adam fail to practice it?

Ge. 3:5 “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
Ge. 3:6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

When tempted by Satan, the original Adam looked away from God’s word and began to focus on Satan’s word. That was how the original Adam got hooked by sin.

Mt. 4:3 The tempter came to him and said, “If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread.”
Mt. 4:4 Jesus answered, “It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’“ [Deut. 8:3]

When tempted by Satan, Jesus never looked away from God’s words. He held on to God’s words and rebuffed Satan’s words using words of God.

Jo. 1:8 Do not let this Book of the Law depart from your mouth; meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do everything written in it. Then you will be prosperous and successful.

Jn. 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Jo. 1:8 captures the righteousness from God. Jesus so much spoke words of God that the Word possessed him—the Word became flesh. Anybody who is in Christ can be possessed by the Word, if the person speaks words that came out of the mouth of God (not every word in the Bible constitutes the Word) as described in Joshua 1:8.

Jn. 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.

Ro. 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.

In Jn. 3:34 we see that speaking words that came out of the mouth of God (applying the words to oneself) makes God to give the speaker the Holy Spirit (small increments of the Holy Spirit). The more a person speaks words of God, applying same to her/himself, the more the measure of the Holy Spirit grows; the person therefore ascends towards becoming a life-giving spirit. Salvation in Ro. 10:10 simply means growing in the glory of God or divinity, as opposed to falling in glory, which sin causes.

what? What is this? This is the teaching from mystical religions that man can ascend to the level of Godhood.
A living soul does not become a life life giving Spirit, man does not become God.
The life-giving Spirit is Jesus christ he is the only man that can give (spiritual life).

Steep:
what? What is this? This is the teaching from mystical religions that man can ascend to the level of Godhood.
A living soul does not become a life life giving Spirit, man does not become God.
The life-giving Spirit is Jesus christ he is the only man that can give (spiritual life).

1Co. 15:49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

In August 2014, my two year old son was having acute malaria and my wife got frustrated with giving him medicine. In the night, he could not take the medicine my wife was giving him. Around 6 am the next morning, I was busy doing something and my nine year old daughter came to tell me that mommy needed my attention. Something in me made me to think that this may be urgent; so I went. On reaching my wife, I saw her holding our little son in her hands and he was suffering acute convulsion. In fact, he was almost gone. I quickly took my little son from my wife and began to say, "I give life to you through the Holy Spirit" (Ro. 8:11). By the time I said it a few times, my little son snapped out of convulsion with a loud breath, then he cried. I told my wife that she had to take him to a doctor that we know, but my wife went into the room and gave him the same malaria medication that he couldn't take the previous night; he easily took the malaria medicine and began to recover quickly. If I had not been able to give life to my little son through the Holy Spirit, I would have lost my son that early morning. Today, he is a junior secondary school student.

I am still at the beginning stage of rising from living soul to life-giving spirit and I already have experience of being a life-giving mortal. It is not difficult for me to know that I am headed towards becoming a life-giving spirit. What I have described here is just one of my experiences of giving life; I have others.

Kei144:


1Co. 15:49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

In August 2014, my two year old son was having acute malaria and my wife got frustrated with giving him medicine. In the night, he could not take the medicine my wife was giving him. Around 6 am the next morning, I was busy doing something and my nine year old daughter came to tell me that mommy needed my attention. Something in me made me to think that this may be urgent; so I went. On reaching my wife, I saw her holding our little son in her hands and he was suffering acute convulsion. In fact, he was almost gone. I quickly took my little son from my wife and began to say, "I give life to you through the Holy Spirit" (Ro. 8:11). By the time I said it a few times, my little son snapped out of convulsion with a loud breath, then he cried. I told my wife that she had to take him to a doctor that we know, but my wife went into the room and gave him the same malaria medication that he couldn't take the previous night; he easily took the malaria medicine and began to recover quickly. If I had not been able to give life to my little son through the Holy Spirit, I would have lost my son that early morning. Today, he is a junior secondary school student.

I am still at the beginning stage of rising from living soul to life-giving spirit and I already have experience of being a life-giving mortal. It is not difficult for me to know that I am headed towards becoming a life-giving spirit. What I have described here is just one of my experiences of giving life; I have others.

So you gave life to your son through the Holy Spirit not God, you are you own God then?
May God open your eyes and bring you out of this satanic deception.

I bet you didn't even read that scripture properly,

1Co. 15:49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

the earthly man is Adam and man from heaven is Jesus christ.
Paul is referring to the human nature of Jesus christ which at the resurrection Christian human nature would be changed to resemble christ own humanity. However, they would still be humans but a different human creature.

Steep:

So you gave life to your son through the Holy Spirit not God, you are you own God then?
May God open your eyes and bring you out of this satanic deception.

I bet you didn't even read that scripture properly,

1Co. 15:49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.

the earthly man is Adam and man from heaven is Jesus christ.
Paul is referring to the human nature of Jesus christ which at the resurrection Christian human nature would be changed to resemble christ own humanity. However, they would still be humans but a different human creature.

He. 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honour because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
He. 2:10 In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.

Ro. 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.
Ro. 8:18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us.

Do you know what it means that God is bringing many sons to glory? Do you know what it means that we are heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ? Do you know what sharing in the glory of Jesus means? Do you know the meaning of the glory that will be revealed in us?

1Co. 2:9 However, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him” — [Isaiah 64:4]

1Jn. 3:1-3 (KJV) 1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God : therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be : but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall
be like him ; for we shall see him as he is.
3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

The world (including Christians) do not know who the sons of God really are. Christians don't even know the calling that God has placed on them, but we know that those that will make the adoption of the sons of God or resurrection will become exactly like Jesus.

Steep:

the earthly man is Adam and man from heaven is Jesus christ.
Paul is referring to the human nature of Jesus christ which at the resurrection Christian human nature would be changed to resemble christ own humanity. However, they would still be humans but a different human creature.

The earthly man is how every human being (including Jesus) begins life. The man from heaven is a creation of the Holy Spirit that involves transformation of mortal to immortality.

1Co. 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

1Co. 15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

Kei144:


The earthly man is how every human being (including Jesus) begins life. The man from heaven is a creation of the Holy Spirit that involves transformation of mortal to immortality.

1Co. 15:50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

1Co. 15:53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.

You have no idea of what you are saying. Jesus wasn't an earthly man at any time he has always being the man from heaven.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Did you read that the man who is born again is a new creation?
Yes anyone who is born again become a new type of human bearing the human likeness of Jesus christ but however the Christian remains a created being meanwhile God is never created, he is eternal having no beginning or ending.

Steep:
You have no idea of what you are saying. Jesus wasn't an earthly man at any time he has always being the man from heaven.

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

Did you read that the man who is born again is a new creation?
Yes anyone who is born again become a new type of human bearing the human likeness of Jesus christ but however the Christian remains a created being meanwhile God is never created, he is eternal having no beginning or ending.

Jn. 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

The Word possessed Jesus (Jn. 1:14). In Jn. 8:23, it is the Holy Spirit (the Word) speaking through the man Jesus. During the days of T. B. Joshua, you may have watched demons speaking through human beings on Emmanuel TV. The Jews knew that some spirit was working in Jesus and accused him of being possessed by Beelzebub, to which Jesus warned them about blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Mt. 12:22-32).

Kei144:


Jn. 14:10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

The Word possessed Jesus (Jn. 1:14). In Jn. 8:23, it is the Holy Spirit (the Word) speaking through the man Jesus. During the days of T. B. Joshua, you may have watched demons speaking through human beings on Emmanuel TV. The Jews knew that some spirit was working in Jesus and accused him of being possessed by Beelzebub, to which Jesus warned them about blaspheming the Holy Spirit (Mt. 12:22-32).

From one heresy to another.
I don't think you are seeing your contradiction, you claim Jesus is just the flesh and yet quoting Jesus saying he and the father are one. Forgetting that the verb " are" already means there are more than one entity. You are confused!

Steep:
From one heresy to another.
I don't think you are seeing your contradiction, you claim Jesus is just the flesh and yet quoting Jesus saying he and the father are one. Forgetting that the verb " are" already means there are more than one entity. You are confused!

The only reason why I have been replying you is for other people who visit this thread. If you choose to hold on tightly to the doctrines you imbibed in your church over the years, go ahead. God is doing a new thing. Old understandings or doctrines will not lead to the manifestation of the sons of God that is about to begin. When a human being lives by the Holy Spirit, the human being and God become one. Jesus was the first human, after the fall of man, to ever live by the Holy Spirit. That was why his claim of being one with God was so strange to the Jews of his time. If a Christian of today dares to consistently live by the Holy Spirit, s/he becomes one with the Father.

Ro. 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
Ro. 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Ro. 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. [Or adoption] And by him we cry, “Abba, [Aramaic for Father] Father.”
Ro. 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Ro. 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

Kei144:


The only reason why I have been replying you is for other people who visit this thread. If you choose to hold on tightly to the doctrines you imbibed in your church over the years, go ahead. God is doing a new thing. Old understandings or doctrines will not lead to the manifestation of the sons of God that is about to begin. When a human being lives by the Holy Spirit, the human being and God become one. Jesus was the first human, after the fall of man, to ever live by the Holy Spirit. That was why his claim of being one with God was so strange to the Jews of his time. If a Christian of today dares to consistently live by the Holy Spirit, s/he becomes one with the Father.

Ro. 8:13 For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live,
Ro. 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
Ro. 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. [Or adoption] And by him we cry, “Abba, [Aramaic for Father] Father.”
Ro. 8:16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.
Ro. 8:17 Now if we are children, then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

You claim the word possessed Jesus? That means according to you Jesus is not the word?
Whether you like it or not doctrines matters and it is the most important.
Don't try and dodge according to you Jesus is just the flesh? So when the Jesus Said I and my father are one what does he mean

Steep:

You claim the word possessed Jesus? That means according to you Jesus is not the word?
Whether you like it or not doctrines matters and it is the most important.
Don't try and dodge according to you Jesus is just the flesh? So when the Jesus Said I and my father are one what does he meab

Please stop trying to destroy the message of this thread. Form your own thread and post what you consider the accurate message. Why are you hell-bent on destroying the message of this thread? If you don't like the message, leave the thread alone. Start a new thread and post your own message. Or is there something in you that is compelling you to make sure that you rubbish this thread?