Empiree:

I already rebuked and explained the concept of witnesses and God's witnesses. So that's clear.

That is what your Qur'an say about Witnesses not what is logical so it your Qur'an against the Bible not my own case!

Empiree:
Islam is not and groups. It is about practicing the religion as stipulated in the scripture (Qur'an). All Muslims and Muslim groups practice all tenets of Islam the same way.

This is where you need to learn!
Your Qur'an stands as authority within those who accepts it as God's word not for everyone living around you.
To Illustrate imagine a citizen of Kenya who doesn't have anything to do with Nigeria, do you think it makes any sense quoting the laws made by the Nigerian National Assembly for him when he's not a Nigerian?
So your Qur'an only stands as authority within those that accepted it as the word of their God but to someone like me it's complete gibberish until you convince me that it's a message from the God i love to worship!

Empiree:

Now, for the sake of those dialogue I will name just 5 groups in Nigeria only. Ansardeen, nasfat, Ahmadiya, Qorib, Awardeen. All practice Islam. Anything else you want to know?

Again you failed woefully!
If these groups are practicing what the Qur'an say yet they are different sects, you and i aren't kids nah, i am telling you now that it's only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's practicing what Jesus taught globally so if you can't point to one single group then i believe Boko haram and other terrorists groups are also Muslims.
There must be strict tenets that only one group is practicing otherwise you don't know what your religion truly teach. You can't present five different sects in one country yet claiming they're all practicing what one book (Qur'an) teaches!

MaxInDHouse:


This is where you need to learn!
Your Qur'an stands as authority within those who accepts it as God's word not for everyone living around you.
To Illustrate imagine a citizen of Kenya who doesn't have anything to do with Nigeria, do you think it makes any sense quoting the laws made by the Nigerian National Assembly for him when he's not a Nigerian?
So your Qur'an only stands as authority within those that accepted it as the word of their God but to someone like me it's complete gibberish until you convince me that it's a message from the God i love to worship!

Alright then. Jesus was sent to Israelites ONLY. To use your logic against you, how did Jesus concern you?. His message was directed at the Jews, his people. Here are references from your own Bible

Matthew 15:24

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Question, are you Israelite or African?. You are African. How's Jesus your business?.




Matthew 1:21

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins

Question, are you Jewish?. Jesus was a Jew. So you are not his people.




John 1:11

He came to his own people, and his own people did not receive him.

Question, are you his people?. Are you Jewish tribe. No.




Luke 2:34

Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against,

Question, are you Israeli?. No




Matthew 15:24
Matthew 2:6

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Question, are you Israeli?. No. How did Jesus teachings concern you as African?.


Interestingly, in order not to create confusion in the future about whom Jesus was sent to, he was emphatic by using the word ONLY. Do please check your dictionary for the meaning of ONLY?

Again you failed woefully!
If these groups are practicing what the Qur'an say yet they are different sects, you and i aren't kids nah,

what you failed to understand is that Islam is built on 5 tenets. Anyone that practices these 5 pillars of Islam is a Muslims regardless of groups they belong. This is where Islam stands out from all other religions including your Christianity and Jehovah's witnesses. Please show me any groups of the muslims that I mentioned and even that I didn't mention that don't practice all the 5 pillars of Islam?. So Islam doesn't have sects but groups doing the same thing. All other activities aside from 5 pillars are only ijtihad (strive) as long as they confirm with Islamic principles.

Here is evidence that Islam is built on 5 practices.


Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Islam is built upon five: to worship Allah and to disbelieve in what is worshiped besides him, to establish prayer, to give charity, to perform Hajj pilgrimage to the house, and to fast the month of Ramadan.”

Kindly tell me way of universal worship legislated for you in Christianity and let's see if you make sense?

i am telling you now that it's only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's practicing what Jesus taught globally so if you can't point to one single group then i believe Bok.o har.am and other terrorists groups are also Muslims.

please show me evidence from your Bible where Jesus taught you global way of worship since you claimed to follow his teachings?

There must be strict tenets that only one group is practicing otherwise you don't know what your religion truly teach. You can't present five different sects in one country yet claiming they're all practicing what one book (Qur'an) teaches!

So far you have only been talking without evidence.

Empiree:
Alright then. Jesus was sent to Israelites ONLY. To use your logic against you, how did Jesus concern you?. His message was directed at the Jews, his people. Here are references from your own Bible
Matthew 15:24
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
Question, are you Israelite or African?. You are African. How's Jesus your business?.
Matthew 1:21
She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins
Question, are you Jewish?. Jesus was a Jew. So you are not his people. John 1:11
He came to his own people, and his own people did not receive him.
Question, are you his people?. Are you Jewish tribe. No. Luke 2:34
Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: “This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against,
Question, are you Israeli?. No
Matthew 15:24
Matthew 2:6
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Question, are you Israeli?. No. How did Jesus teachings concern you as African?.
Interestingly, in order not to create confusion in the future able whom Jesus was sent to, he was emphatic by using the word ONLY. Do please check your dictionary for the meaning of ONLY? what you failed to understand is that Islam is built on 5 tenets. Anyone that practices these 5 pillars of Islam is a Muslims regardless of groups they belong. This is where Islam stands out from all other religions including your Christianity and Jehovah's witnesses. Please show me any groups of the muslims that I mentioned and even that I didn't mention that don't practice all the 5 pillars of Islam?. So Islam doesn't have sects but groups doing the same thing. All other activities aside from 5 pillars are only ijtihad (strive) as long as they confirm with Islamic principles. Here is evidence that Islam is built on 5 practices. Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, "Islam is built upon five: to worship Allah and to disbelieve in what is worshiped besides him, to establish prayer, to give charity, to perform Hajj pilgrimage to the house, and to fast the month of Ramadan.”
Kindly tell me way of universal worship legislated for you in Christianity and let's see if you make sense?
please show me evidence from your Bible where Jesus taught you global way of worship since you claimed to follow his teachings?
So far you have only been talking without evidence.

With this you're a living proof that Islam is a religion of terrorists!

How can you start quoting a book and instead of calmly asking questions to know my resolve regarding the book i choose to believe you're just asking questions irrationally without even giving me the chance to explain myself!

Please what is the difference between Boko Haram that's going about killing people over what they should believe and what they shouldn't believe?

My guy, your Qur'an stands as authority over you because you've reasoned with what you found written in it and you're convinced based on your understanding. So i'm not in position to start quoting the book you trust and telling you what you should believe rather i should be patient enough to grasp your understanding of the book before i can come in not the other way around.

So if you want to reason with others liberally you must allow them to tell you their conviction in relation to the book they regards as sacred. Otherwise i'll tell you to go and convince your terrorist brothers (Boko haram) that they're not interpreting your Qur'an in the right sense before crossing the boundaries to the Bible only to start correcting another religion over what their holy book says.
Haba, go and correct your own people carrying your Qur'an and interpreting it as a reason to kill innocent people!

MaxInDHouse:


I was also a Muslim before i converted to JW so if you're interested in knowing the truth you've got to put aside sentiment and face facts!

First of all the true God of Israel never called His worshipers "CHRISTIANS" neither did Jesus mention anything as such. So how did Jesus' first century disciples got that name?



They were trying as much as possible to do things the way Jesus instructed them because he told them that it's not by calling him Lord! Lord!! or bowing or kneeling before him that matters rather they must do the will of his father who is in heaven (God) Matthew 7:21-23

The reason is because many back then acknowledged Jesus as Lord they keep calling him "Lord" and kneeling before him but they missed the import of his message:
Before anyone can qualify for everlasting life he/she must become an imitator of Jesus Christ in thoughts, words and actions. This requires great humility from each person as we must abandon what we prefer doing and cling unto what Jesus taught us. Luke 9:23
That is what the inhabitants of Antioch saw in them before they nicknamed them "CHRISTIANS" in fact it was a mockery back then as whoever is known by that group name is considered a slowpoke who can't think by himself but always adhering to Jesus' words.
Many of them were arrested and killed just like their leader yet they will not fight back nor compromise their faith. So the inhabitants of Antioch began calling them by that group name to vilify them. But Jesus' followers welcome the new development with joy and they're now sure that they are doing exactly what their leader taught them! Matthew 10:32-33

So the group name CHRISTIAN is not what God wants to call His worshipers the inhabitants of Antioch were using it to mock Jesus' disciples.

God has foretold through Isaiah the prophet that his true worshipers will be mocked with a name, they will drop it for Satan's agents who will later carry it on their head, but the true God will call His own worshipers by another name and destroy all those hypocrites using that mockery name as a disguise to perpetrate evil!

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15

So my friend, the name "CHRISTIANS" wasn't God's choice rather God permitted His people to bear that mockery until Jesus separated his true disciples from the midst of misinformed Churchgoers {Matthew 13:30} the name God has always called His worshipers are "His Witnesses" {Isaiah 43:10-12} Apostle Paul also confirmed this when he wrote a letter to the Hebrew speaking congregation and after listing the names of ancient servants of God {Hebrews 11:4-32} Paul declared that they are WITNESSES of the true God! Hebrews 12:1

So from Abel to Jesus Christ himself and true servants of God today we are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:5

May you have PEACE!

No they were Watchtower Bible and tract society.. Must u link everything to ur org? Even Satan was a jw and all the demons.

Yippeedaniel:

No they were Watchtower Bible and tract society.. Must u link everything to ur org? Even Satan was a jw and all the demons.

Guy, you don't have any business with this nah!
So why are you worried about whatever people say regarding the Bible?
Just help yourself by eating your food, drinking your dagogo and living your life anyhow you please because this has nothing to do with people like you who doesn't care about God's word!

MaxInDHouse:


Guy, you don't have any business with this nah!
So why are you worried about whatever people say regarding the Bible?
Just help yourself by eating your food, drinking your dagogo and living your life anyhow you please because this has nothing to do with people like you who doesn't care about God's word!

NL is for everyone. I hope you're not counting all this ur NL post and hours for ur monthly report oo

Yippeedaniel:

NL is for everyone. I hope you're not counting all this ur NL post and hours for ur monthly report oo

If you don't believe in faith quoting people and commenting only makes you equal to an insane!

MaxInDHouse:


With this you're a living proof that Islam is a religion of terrorists!

How can you start quoting a book and instead of calmly asking questions to know my resolve regarding the book i choose to believe you're just asking questions irrationally without even giving me the chance to explain myself!

Please what is the difference between Boko Haram that's going about killing people over what they should believe and what they shouldn't believe?

My guy, your Qur'an stands as authority over you because you've reasoned with what you found written in it and you're convinced based on your understanding. So i'm not in position to start quoting the book you trust and telling you what you should believe rather i should be patient enough to grasp your understanding of the book before i can come in not the other way around.

So if you want to reason with others liberally you must allow them to tell you their conviction in relation to the book they regards as sacred. Otherwise i'll tell you to go and convince your terrorist brothers (Boko haram) that they're not interpreting your Qur'an in the right sense before crossing the boundaries to the Bible only to start correcting another religion over what their holy book says.
Haba, go and correct your own people carrying your Qur'an and interpreting it as a reason to kill innocent people!

I thought you have sense. I didn't know you are fake. Is it not obvious you are a liar for saying you were Muslim before. This stup!d lies they they taught you in your Bible studies you brought it to nairaland. I don't blame you. You all copied these lies from Paul the liar.

Paul said


“If through my lie, God's truth was magnified. Why am I judge as a sinner?” (Romans 3:7)



What is terror!sts, BH have to do with proving your religion?. You twice crossed my boundaries but I took it easy on you. You are obviously very ignorant. You have been programmed to tag Islam and muslims bad names. Your religion is false. You cant defend it. Yes I have the right to say your religion is false. You started attacking and comparing Islam with BH and terror!sm but I snubbed. Now you did it again just because you can't defend your Creed.

I thought you are well versed in your religion but I didn't realize you are super ignorant. No one restricted you from quoting from your Bible but you chose not to. Now you throw tantrum because i quoted your own Bible for you.

I said it before and I will say it again. Christianity or Jehovah's witness have nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus was sent ONLY to the Jews not Africans like you. I cited evidence and you get upset because of that?. Smh. You cant handle the truth.


There ya nothing like Jehovah's witnesses or Christianity. It is all man-made

Islam is one

Islam is the only religion from God. Q3:19, Q 3:85

Any other religions are counterfeits. Q3:85

All Muslim groups in the world practice same Islam

You feel better now that I bombarded you?

Empiree:

I thought you have sense. I didn't know you are fake. Is it not obvious you are a liar for saying you were Muslim before. This stup!d lies they they taught you in your Bible studies you brought it to nairaland. I don't blame you. You all copied these lies from Paul the liar.
Paul said
“If through my lie, God's truth was magnified. Why am I judge as a sinner?” (Romans 3:7)
What is terror!sts, BH have to do with proving your religion?. You twice crossed my boundaries but I took it easy on you. You are obviously very ignorant. You have been programmed to tag Islam and muslims bad names. Your religion is false. You cant defend it. Yes I have the right to say your religion is false. You started attacking and comparing Islam with BH and terror!sm but I snubbed. Now you did it again just because you can't defend your Creed.
I thought you are well versed in your religion but I didn't realize you are super ignorant. No one restricted you from quoting from your Bible but you chose not to. Now you throw tantrum because i quoted your own Bible for you. I said it before and I will say it again. Christianity or Jehovah's witness have nothing to do with Jesus. Jesus was sent ONLY to the Jews not Africans like you. I cited evidence and you get upset because of that?. Smh. You cant handle the truth. There ya nothing like Jehovah's witnesses or Christianity. It is all man-made
Islam is one
Islam is the only religion from God. Q3:19, Q 3:85
Any other religions are counterfeits. Q3:85
All Muslim groups in the world practice same Islam
You feel better now that I bombarded you?

You're just as insane as many others claiming they belong to that religion!
I mentioned just one Islamic group killing people and you're already running mad
There are scores of killer groups all claiming Muslims and holding your Qur'an as their source of guidance, you can deny them here but everyone know sey them no born you well to stand face to face with a Taliban, Al-Kaeda, Alshabab, Boko haram, Isis or any of those groups and speak against their activities unless you want your head off your neck.
So present one group of worshipers practicing what your religion says i'm not interested in whatever your book says because it's gibberish to me until you present a group that befits people that can be referred to as worshipers of the true God.

Meanwhile below is an Islamic state where your Qur'an is highly valued and enforced yet these are Muslim prostitutes smoking weed and cooling it down with brandy or whiskey!

MaxInDHouse:

So from Abel to Jesus Christ himself and true servants of God today we are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

false jw mad max
it's not: "we are all Jehovah's witnesses",
for Jehovah doesn't inspire His witnesses with many false prophecies/predictions etc.

jw org/watchtower etc. have published many dates for various things that have then failed, and they have given a lot of other false info. too

that and much more can be read about here: https://jwfacts.com

Pure worship is the direct opposite of false religion, but all will appear to be the same in the eyes of a layman.
WHY?
Because humans were created with the sense to detect falsehood yet majority will overlook it when such falsehood is what his/her own relatives practices as their religion. Moreover all religions acknowledge that there is a mighty spirit being who is the master brain behind falsehood.
So how can we all come together to resolve this issue?
If we want to capitalize on what the books regarded as Holy books say then we must gather all the books about religion throughout the world and begin studying all to compare and contrast. Of course that will lead to endless arguments because each person will stick to how he/she understands in the book he/she is carrying.
There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christianity, there are many different sects all claiming denominations in Islam these are the two major players when it comes to religion yet there are other religions like Buddhism, Hinduism and other Traditional religions all claiming they know God.
So instead of taken what their so called Holy books that's all contradicting each other say, why not look for the group that befits people of God?
To Illustrate, thousands of schools may claim they are scientists each talking about physics, chemistry, biology, geography and agriculture.
But if we allow each group to PRACTICE what they know are we still going to have issues regarding the real scientists?
Certainly not, because the real scientists will use their wisdom to increase food supply, healthcare, make the best use of their physical environment and protect their domain from life threatening diseases.
The same logic should be applied to religion.
Let each religion present a group practicing what is written in their so called Holy book and we can use such a group as a means to ascertain the authenticity of what their book says.
There are many religions claiming Christians and many claiming Muslims all of them are saying they know God but where are the undeniable qualities of God we can all acknowledge? like
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
GOODNESS
GENTLENESS
FAITH
MILDNESS AND
SELF-CONTROL
It's after seeing all these qualities in a group that we can be sure that God is the one making it possible for imperfect humans to exhibit these fine qualities, because no human can exhibit these qualities since we're not perfect but as a group God's presence will be felt as He organizes His worshipers in an orderly manner. That's when we can now take the book such a group is using seriously not the other way around!

Empiree:
You are too elementary for me jare and you boring to me. I will only address your first paragraph. No Muslim disagree on fundamental issues in Islam. But David Wood analysis was based on fundamental doctrines which JW in this group disagrees with. If you read him very well, he believes Jesus is messanger if God contrary to your Creed

Abdul Empiree, Have you seen any Christian disagree on the fact that Jesus died for mankind's sin?

David Wood is saying, in case you missed it, that Islam has no reason to think that Christians cannot explain their position on the Godhead!

Moslems think that this is an objection Christians can't explain. But David Wood explained it and went on to show that even in Islam the objection can be seen.

You have deliberately and conveniently left that out and you are chasing shadows. When you attack the person and not his argument what does that make you?

MaxInDHouse:
Pure worship is the direct opposite of false religion, but all will appear to be the same in the eyes of a layman.
WHY?
Because humans were created with the sense to detect falsehood yet majority will overlook it when such falsehood is what his/her own relatives practices as their religion. Moreover all religions acknowledge that there is a mighty spirit being who is the master brain behind falsehood.
So how can we all come together to resolve this issue?
If we want to capitalize on what the books regarded as Holy books say then we must gather all the books about religion throughout the world and begin studying all to compare and contrast. Of course that will lead to endless arguments because each person will stick to how he/she understands in the book he/she is carrying.
There are over 41,000 different sects claiming denominations in Christianity, there are many different sects all claiming denominations in Islam these are the two major players when it comes to religion yet there are other religions like Buddhism, Hinduism and other Traditional religions all claiming they know God.
So instead of taken what their so called Holy books that's all contradicting each other say, why not look for the group that befits people of God?
To Illustrate, thousands of schools may claim they are scientists each talking about physics, chemistry, biology, geography and agriculture.
But if we allow each group to PRACTICE what they know are we still going to have issues regarding the real scientists?
Certainly not, because the real scientists will use their wisdom to increase food supply, healthcare, make the best use of their physical environment and protect their domain from life threatening diseases.
The same logic should be applied to religion.
Let each religion present a group practicing what is written in their so called Holy book and we can use such a group as a means to ascertain the authenticity of what their book says.
There are many religions claiming Christians and many claiming Muslims all of them are saying they know God but where are the undeniable qualities of God we can all acknowledge? like
LOVE
JOY
PEACE
PATIENCE
GOODNESS
GENTLENESS
FAITH
MILDNESS AND
SELF-CONTROL
It's after seeing all these qualities in a group that we can be sure that God is the one making it possible for imperfect humans to exhibit these fine qualities, because no human can exhibit these qualities since we're not perfect but as a group God's presence will be felt as He organizes His worshipers in an orderly manner. That's when we can now take the book such a group is using seriously not the other way around!

false jw mad max

all of your arguments that your group of people is God's group of people are so weak.
most all groups of people have love joy peace etc. among themselves, and not just religious groups

Mat 5:46  For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

^^ most all groups love each other etc., duh they wouldn't group if they didn't

sagenaija:
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Abdul Em.piree, Have you seen any Christian disagree on the fact that Jesus died for mankind's sin?

David Wood is saying, in case you missed it, that Islam has no reason to think that Christians cannot explain their position on the Godhead!

Moslems think that this is an objection Christians can't explain. But David Wood explained it and went on to show that even in Islam the objection can be seen.

You have deliberately and conveniently left that out and you are chasing shadows. When you attack the person and not his argument what does that make you?

Jesus didn't die for anybody's sin. He lived his life and he left, period.

You Christians are perpetrators of injustice on Jesus by saying he came to die for you whereas, your Bible says otherwise; “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Deuteronomy 24:16


Also in Ezekiel 18:20


"The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them"

He did not die for the sin of anyone. The idea of Jesus died for your sin is New Testament. It is idea that was innovated after Jesus.

"Blood of Jesus"

"Jesus died for your sin" etc are innovated doctrines


Based on the verses above, to claim that Jesus died on the cross for your sin denotes injustice.

Finally, Jesus was clear about the reason he came as recorded in Mark 1:38 and Luke 4:43



"And he said unto them, Let us go into the next towns, that I may preach there also: for therefore came I forth."




"And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent."


So it is clear from these verses the reason Jesus came was to preach Good News not to die for you.

MaxInDHouse:


You're just as insane as many others claiming they belong to that religion!
I mentioned just one Islamic group killing people and you're already running mad
There are scores of killer groups all claiming Muslims and holding your Qur'an as their source of guidance, you can deny them here but everyone know sey them no born you well to stand face to face with a Taliban, Al-Kaeda, Alshabab, Boko haram, Isis or any of those groups and speak against their activities unless you want your head off your neck.
So present one group of worshipers practicing what your religion says i'm not interested in whatever your book says because it's gibberish to me until you present a group that befits people that can be referred to as worshipers of the true God.

Meanwhile below is an Islamic state where your Qur'an is highly valued and enforced yet these are Muslim prostitutes smoking weed and cooling it down with brandy or whiskey!

you have nothing to offer but hatred. You don't know your Bible. Abeg shift

Empiree:

you have nothing to offer but hatred. You don't know your Bible. Abeg shift

Ògbéni if you don't care to know the group that's practicing what Jesus taught but calling all those claiming Christians "CHRISTIANS" then you shouldn't be irritated when someone calls terrorist groups claiming Muslims "Muslims"

MaxInDHouse:


Ògbéni if you don't care to know the group that's practicing what Jesus taught but calling all those claiming Christians "CHRISTIANS" then you shouldn't be irritated when someone calls terrorist groups claiming Muslims "Muslims"

what type of silly post is this?. Jw are Christians. Catholics are Christians. Protestants are Christians. Trinitarians are Christians. Unitarians are Christians. Deeper Life, Redeemed, Lord chosen, CAC, Celestials, cerebrum and seraphim are all Christians. You all use Bibles. So we called you Christians that you called yourselves.

So how does this compared to rubbish you are posting by comparing Muslims to terror!sm?. Hatred they taught you in your Bible studies is obviously taking toll on you.

Empiree:
what type of silly post is this?. Jw are Christians. Catholics are Christians. Protestants are Christians. Trinitarians are Christians. Unitarians are Christians. Deeper Life, Redeemed, Lord chosen, CAC, Celestials, cerebrum and seraphim are all Christians. You all use Bibles. So we called you Christians that you called yourselves.

So how does this compared to rubbish you are posting by comparing Muslims to terror!sm?. Hatred they taught you in your Bible studies is obviously taking toll on you.

The same applies to your religion:
Taliban
Al-Kaeda
Alshabab
Boko haram
Isis
Are all using Qur'an and practice the five pillars of Islam so they're Muslims because they claim so!

MaxInDHouse:


The same applies to your religion:
Talib.an
Al-Kaeda
Alsha.bab
Bo.ko har.am
Isi.s
Are all using Qur'an and practice the five pillars of Islam so they're Muslims because they claim so!

MOD, Seun, please I think you need to do something about this dude trying to provoke religious violence.

The groups you posted were created by Judeo-christian terrorists. They confessed themselves


We (Judeo-christian terrorists) created terrorists - Hillary Clinton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9riC3944m8


Obama/Clinton (Judeo-christian terrorist) created isis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTuQjlCnvMs

Empiree:

,Seun, please I think you need to do something about this dude trying to provoke religious violence.

Stop behaving like a kid, the same thing is applicable to those you're calling Christians.
There is a reason why each of the groups were formed and the name "CHRISTIANS" appeals to them but if you want to know those who are practicing what the first century Jewish disciples of Jesus practice you can know.
You just don't want to know rather you're trying to group different sects claiming denominations of one religion together because they claim so.
The same should be applied to your religion, all those terrorist groups are claiming Muslims today and writing everything with Arabic so if you don't want people to call them Muslims it's OK you must listen to what others have to say in defense of what you're thinking but it's obvious you don't want that yet you want me to listen to your pathetic story regarding the creation of terrorist groups claiming Muslims.
So calm down and listen to know what happens or else all those killer groups are also Muslims after all that's what they're claiming!

MaxInDHouse:


I was also a Muslim before i converted to JW so if you're interested in knowing the truth you've got to put aside sentiment and face facts!

First of all the true God of Israel never called His worshipers "CHRISTIANS" neither did Jesus mention anything as such. So how did Jesus' first century disciples got that name?

They were trying as much as possible to do things the way Jesus instructed them because he told them that it's not by calling him Lord! Lord!! or bowing or kneeling before him that matters rather they must do the will of his father who is in heaven (God) Matthew 7:21-23

The reason is because many back then acknowledged Jesus as Lord they keep calling him "Lord" and kneeling before him but they missed the import of his message:
Before anyone can qualify for everlasting life he/she must become an imitator of Jesus Christ in thoughts, words and actions. This requires great humility from each person as we must abandon what we prefer doing and cling unto what Jesus taught us. Luke 9:23
That is what the inhabitants of Antioch saw in them before they nicknamed them "CHRISTIANS" in fact it was a mockery back then as whoever is known by that group name is considered a slowpoke who can't think by himself but always adhering to Jesus' words.
Many of them were arrested and killed just like their leader yet they will not fight back nor compromise their faith. So the inhabitants of Antioch began calling them by that group name to vilify them. But Jesus' followers welcome the new development with joy and they're now sure that they are doing exactly what their leader taught them! Matthew 10:32-33

So the group name CHRISTIAN is not what God wants to call His worshipers the inhabitants of Antioch were using it to mock Jesus' disciples.

God has foretold through Isaiah the prophet that his true worshipers will be mocked with a name, they will drop it for Satan's agents who will later carry it on their head, but the true God will call His own worshipers by another name and destroy all those hypocrites using that mockery name as a disguise to perpetrate evil!

And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name: Isaiah 65:15

So my friend, the name "CHRISTIANS" wasn't God's choice rather God permitted His people to bear that mockery until Jesus separated his true disciples from the midst of misinformed Churchgoers {Matthew 13:30} the name God has always called His worshipers are "His Witnesses" {Isaiah 43:10-12} Apostle Paul also confirmed this when he wrote a letter to the Hebrew speaking congregation and after listing the names of ancient servants of God {Hebrews 11:4-32} Paul declared that they are WITNESSES of the true God! Hebrews 12:1

So from Abel to Jesus Christ himself and true servants of God today we are all JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Revelations 1:5

May you have PEACE!

Max you are funnier than them
So Paul a real character (supposedly) or a fictional character said you are God's witness and then you converted it to a name?
How about floating a movement like "Jesus' chastised (jC)" or " the son's chastised (TSC)" since biblical Jesus himself said you will be persecuted for his name's sake (this could even make more sense from the horses mouth) ..

Even a movement like "children of God" ...since you want to be converting sentences/clause to names

MaxInDHouse:


Stop behaving like a kid, the same thing is applicable to those you're calling Christians.
There is a reason why each of the groups were formed and the name "CHRISTIANS" appeals to them but if you want to know those who are practicing what the first century Jewish disciples of Jesus practice you can know.
You just don't want to know rather you're trying to group different sects claiming denominations of one religion together because they claim so.
The same should be applied to your religion, all those terrorist groups are claiming Muslims today and writing everything with Arabic so if you don't want people to call them Muslims it's OK you must listen to what others have to say in defense of what you're thinking but it's obvious you don't want that yet you want me to listen to your pathetic story regarding the creation of terrorist groups claiming Muslims.
So calm down and listen to know what happens or else all those killer groups are also Muslims after all that's what they're claiming!

I have always thought JWs are the most tolerant Christian sect but for the for time in 20 years of my experience with JW, I met a fanatic Jehovah's witness on NL.

Now look at those highlighted phrases. First all, no one gives me commands to listen to them. It is not a must. Secondly, no one said you shouldn't air whatever you wanted to say but you chose to digress and attacked my religion and yet you want me to listen to you?. That's counterproductive. The floor is yours. Go ahead and rant.

Empiree:

I have always thought JWs are the most tolerant Christian sect but for the for time in 20 years of my experience with JW, I met a fanatic Jehovah's witness on NL.

Now look at those highlighted phrases. First all, no one gives me commands to listen to them. It is not a must. Secondly, no one said you shouldn't air whatever you wanted to say but you chose to digress and attacked my religion and yet you want me to listen to you?. That's counterproductive. The floor is yours. Go ahead and rant.

The only reason why you say all those different sects are Christians is because that's what they claim!
So going by the same logic any group of people no matter the harm they're causing in the society as long as they're claiming Muslims are Muslims!

I asked you to present one group of people practicing what your Qur'an teaches then you and i will concentrate on that group and use it as a case study to weigh what your Qur'an says with reality.
I presented JWs to you as the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught but you're irrationally confusing yourself saying you don't want to know since there are many religions claiming Christians.
So apply the same logic to your Islam don't come up with excuses!

If you're deceiving yourself you can't deceive me, i've been in Islam for more than thirty years before my conversion. I couldn't take it seriously because of different sects claiming Muslims and nobody was able to present one group for me to be sure of what the Qur'an teaches. You're now listing the names of sects that seems liberal in the society whereas there are others who are killer groups also claiming Muslims and they're ready to kill you for not supporting their movement.
The same thing is applicable to the churches of Christendom. I tried to know which of them is practicing what Jesus taught but all of them were beating about the bush until i met the JWs, this time the group opened the Bible and we started studying it, several times i argue furiously with them but i'm not the type that keeps on arguing blindly when i see facts.
That's why i believe that the JWs truly knows what Jesus taught.
So if you're now presenting several groups as Muslim groups all practicing what Qur'an teaches then what is the difference between you and the churchgoers?
My friend all of you are on the same page trying to present what the society will accept not what your book teaches.
If you're not specific regarding what i asked you then it's better we end it here, all groups claiming Christians are CHRISTIANS and all groups claiming Muslims are MUSLIMS.

NO STORY!

MaxInDHouse:


The only reason why you say all those different sects are Christians is because that's what they claim!
So going by the same logic any group of people no matter the harm they're causing in the society as long as they're claiming Muslims are Muslims!

I asked you to present one group of people practicing what your Qur'an teaches then you and i will concentrate on that group and use it as a case study to weigh what your Qur'an says with reality.
I presented JWs to you as the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught but you're irrationally confusing yourself saying you don't want to know since there are many religions claiming Christians.
So apply the same logic to your Islam don't come up with excuses!

If you're deceiving yourself you can't deceive me, i've been in Islam for more than thirty years before my conversion. I couldn't take it seriously because of different sects claiming Muslims and nobody was able to present one group for me to be sure of what the Qur'an teaches. You're now listing the names of sects that seems liberal in the society whereas there are others who are killer groups also claiming Muslims and they're ready to kill you for not supporting their movement.
The same thing is applicable to the churches of Christendom. I tried to know which of them is practicing what Jesus taught but all of them were beating about the bush until i met the JWs, this time the group opened the Bible and we started studying it, several times i argue furiously with them but i'm not the type that keeps on arguing blindly when i see facts.
That's why i believe that the JWs truly knows what Jesus taught.
So if you're now presenting several groups as Muslim groups all practicing what Qur'an teaches then what is the difference between you and the churchgoers?
My friend all of you are on the same page trying to present what the society will accept not what your book teaches.
If you're not specific regarding what i asked you then it's better we end it here, all groups claiming Christians are CHRISTIANS and all groups claiming Muslims are MUSLIMS.

NO STORY!

since you are adamant, Tamil Tigers which is Christian terrorist group is part of you. See the rest of Christian terrorists activities here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism



How about Joseph Kony of Lord Resistance Army CAR in Africa. They are Christians too that beheaded Muslims.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/yes-there-are-christian-terrorists

So be sure to add these Christian terrorist groups to your list.

Empiree:
since you are adamant, Tamil Tigers which is Christian terrorist group is part of you. See the rest of Christian terrorists activities here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
How about Joseph Kony of Lord Resistance Army CAR in Africa. They are Christians too that beheaded Muslims.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/yes-there-are-christian-terrorists
So be sure to add these Christian terrorist groups to your list.

I'm OK with whatever you choose since you're not ready to present the group practicing what your Qur'an teaches. I have presented the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught so until you're ready to discuss about your religion and mine do enjoy your weekend!

MaxInDHouse:

I'm OK with whatever you choose since you're not ready to present the group practicing what your Qur'an teaches. I have presented the one and only group practicing what Jesus taught so until you're ready to discuss about your religion and mine do enjoy your weekend!

Oh I see. You are extremists. So all other xtians are unbelievers. JWs are the only true xtians, abi?. I got you.

Joseph Kony was a true Christian that blow up and beheaded Muslims. I believe you gone through the links and your seen for yourself Christian terrorists.

Back to your question. Even though I already told you but your head couldn't comprehend.. Let me tell you again.

Islam is built on 5 pillars. Anyone you see practicing these 5 tenets is muslims. The obligatory tenets are:

The belief in One God, 5 daily Salat, Ramadan, zakat, Hajj. Anyone that denies these is not Muslim.

Now, a Muslim who fulfils these obligations but he's not righteous in conduct is still muslims. He's a work in progress. He gets punished for his iniquities if he doesn't repent till he dies.


So now, you condemned all Christian groups as heretic and JWs are the only true followers of Jesus. This type of ideology of your is very dangerous and leads to extremism. Christians in Nigeria need to put you in their watchlist because you can one day blow them up because they are not Jehovah's witnesses.

Omo komo

Empiree:


Islam is built on 5 pillars. Anyone you see practicing these 5 tenets is muslims. The obligatory tenets are:

The belief in One God, 5 daily Salat, Ramadan, zakat, Hajj. Anyone that denies these is not Muslim.

By your definition, any terrorist group that believe and practice these five pillars of Islam are Muslims?

sagenaija:
The Question No Christian Can Answer
- By David Wood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA23-bUOdTI
One of the most common accusations Christians hear from their Moslem friends is that Christians believe that 1+1+1=1. But is this what Christians believe?
What happens if we apply the same sort of analysis to Allah, Mohamed, and the Koran?
David Wood investigates.

Empiree, Lukgaf, Rashduct4luv, Antichristian, motayoayinde, mhmsadyq, haekymbahd or Realismailakabir

Mohammed himself is not worthy to be called a prophet nor his revelation' credible..

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haddeylium:

By your definition, any terrorist group that believe and practice these five pillars of Islam are Muslims?

He is not intelligent and he wants to deceive himself so if he's not ready to present a group practicing what his Qur'an teaches then anyone practicing those five pillars is a Muslim whether he's a terrorist or not!

Empiree:

Oh I see. You are extremists. So all other xtians are unbelievers. JWs are the only true xtians, abi?. I got you. Joseph Kony was a true Christian that blow up and beheaded Muslims. I believe you gone through the links and your seen for yourself Christian terrorists.

What exactly did Jesus teach?

Empiree:

Back to your question. Even though I already told you but your head couldn't comprehend.. Let me tell you again.
Islam is built on 5 pillars. Anyone you see practicing these 5 tenets is muslims. The obligatory tenets are:
The belief in One God, 5 daily Salat, Ramadan, zakat, Hajj. Anyone that denies these is not Muslim.

These are the things Muhammad taught you about sacred service just as all other religions also have their own so if all the groups claiming Muslims are doing this then they are all Muslims. Now are you ready to know what Jesus taught that makes JWs the only group practicing Christianity in the right sense?

Empiree:

Now, a Muslim who fulfils these obligations but he's not righteous in conduct is still muslims. He's a work in progress. He gets punished for his iniquities if he doesn't repent till he dies.
So now, you condemned all Christian groups as heretic and JWs are the only true followers of Jesus. This type of ideology of your is very dangerous and leads to extremism. Christians in Nigeria need to put you in their watchlist because you can one day blow them up because they are not Jehovah's witnesses.
Omo komo

Jesus and Muhammad both condemned other religionists who don't agree with them, i can't speak for Muhammad but regarding those who refuse to accept Jesus' teachings he strictly warned his disciples never to wish them bad but to continue loving them as neighbours {Mark 12:31} whereas those who accepts Jesus' teachings the disciples must love such ones exactly the same way Jesus loves his disciples. This means Jesus' disciples must be prepared to lay down their life for one another! John 13:34-35

Both Jesus and Muhammad stood their ground on avoiding sacred services with unbelievers (those who will not accept their message) even though Jesus warned his disciples not to wish unbelievers evil {Luke 9:51-56} he maintained that they will be destroyed when God's Kingdom comes:

Moreover, just as it occurred in the days of Noah, so it will be in the days of the Son of man: they were eating, they were drinking, men were marrying, women were being given in marriage until that day when Noah entered into the ark, and the Flood came and destroyed them all! Luke 17:26-27

“For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. John 3:16

So if you're now calling people who say the same thing extremist then it means both Jesus and Muhammad were extremists!

Empiree:
Jesus didn't die for anybody's sin. He lived his life and he left, period.

You Christians are perpetrators of injustice on Jesus by saying he came to die for you whereas, your Bible says otherwise; “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall
...............
So it is clear from these verses the reason Jesus came was to preach Good News not to die for you.

Think about these:
[b]Israel was expecting a Messiah.
This was after they've had Moses and the prophets. So, he was not just viewed as 'another prophet'.
Even your Koran calls Jesus "THE MESSIAH". Not a Messiah but the Messiah.

Mathew 1 - the angel's words to Joseph
"But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”
Matthew 1:20‭-‬21 NIV

John 1 - John the Baptist's declaration
"The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"
John 1:29 NIV


Luke 4 - Jesus at the start of his work
"and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.” Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
Luke 4:17‭-‬21 NIV

Jesus's declaration
"Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."
Luke 24:45‭-‬47 NIV

So, CLEARLY Jesus's primary mission to the world was to be the atoning sacrifice for mankind's sin.