Allah says somewhere in the Koran that he sent down the Torah (OT) and Injil (NT) and confirmed them.
Muslims now claim the Bible that Allah sent has been corrupted such that wherever the stories copied into the Koran differ from the Bible,they tell you it's because the Bible is corrupted.

Can anyone tell us when exactly the Bible became corrupted

Was it before Mohammed, during the lifetime of Mohammed or after the death of Mohammed.

The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

Balerion:
The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

Short, Concise and direct!

Lovely response!

The Qur'an never mentioned "Bible" but Injeel/Torah/Zabur.

Balerion:
The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

Where is that Injil, Can you quote a verse from the injil?

Balerion:
The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

Is Quran not compiled by men, if YES proof?

IslamVIRGlNS:


Where is that Injil, Can you quote a verse from the injil?

The Injil was revealed to Isa (Jesus) not a book of account by Matthew and Mark

Balerion:

The Injil was revealed to Isa (Jesus) not a book of account by Matthew and Mark

Where is that injil since it is not a book of account?

AntiChristian:


Short, Concise and direct!

Lovely response!

The Qur'an never mentioned "Bible" but Injeel/Torah/Zabur.

You can support him or her answering this

IslamVIRGlNS:


Where is that injil since it is not a book of account?

IslamVIRGlNS:


You can support him or her answering this

Injeel was revealed to Jesus and Jesus never wrote it down but preached it.

AntiChristian:


Injeel was revealed to Jesus and Jesus never wrote it down but preached it.

- Injeel revealed to Jesus
- Jesus never wrote it down
- Jesus preached the Injeel

Can you define what Injeel is? Its important so that we can know what we are talking about.

AntiChristian:


Injeel was revealed to Jesus and Jesus never wrote it down but preached it.

The Quran declares that the original message in the Injil were Allah’s Words and that His Words can never be changed. If both of these statements are true it means that it is impossible for people to corrupt the words of al kitab (Taurat, Zabur and Injil = Bible) is it true?

IslamVIRGlNS:


The Quran declares that the original message in the Injil were Allah’s Words and that His Words can never be changed. If both of these statements are true it means that it is impossible for people to corrupt the words of al kitab (Taurat, Zabur and Injil = Bible) is it true?

Your assumption not from Allah!

Where did Allah say Injeel can't be changed? Injeel was specifically for the children of Israel.

You're totally wrong!

purafapi:


- Injeel revealed to Jesus
- Jesus never wrote it down
- Jesus preached the Injeel

Can you define what Injeel is? Its important so that we can know what we are talking about.

It's simple an unwritten book revealed to Jesus which he preached to the children of Israel.

It was never written during the lifetime of Jesus. His disciples may have written some parts of what he preached and this was circulated and later got corrupted by addition of what they didn't witness themselves.

AntiChristian:


Your assumption not from Allah!

Where did Allah say Injeel can't be changed? Injeel was specifically for the children of Israel.

You're totally wrong!

Here is what Allah says

Surah 10:64

For them are glad tidings in this world and in the Hereafter. The words of Allah shall not change. That is the supreme triumph.


Surah 6:34

And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah . And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers.


Surah 18:27

And recite (and teach) what has been revealed to thee of the Book of thy Lord: none can change His Words,


So, if we agree that the prophets preceding Muhammad (PBUH) were given revelation by Allah (as Maida 5:68-69 said), and since these passages, many times over, say very clearly that no one can change Allah’s Words, how then can one believe that the words of Taurat, Zabur and Injil (i.e. al kitab = the Bible) was corrupted or changed by men? It would require a denial of the Qur’an itself to believe that the Bible has been corrupted or changed.

As a matter of fact, this idea of judging various kinds of revelation from God as better or worse than others, though widely believed, is not supported in the Qur’an.




This is what the hadiths and sunnah say on this topic. Notice how the following hadiths affirm the existence and use of the Taurat and Injil in the time of the Prophet Muhammad



“Khadija [his wife] then accompanied him [The Prophet – PBUH] to her cousin Waraqa …, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.”


Al-Bukhari Vol 1, Book 1, No 3

Narrated Abu Huraira: ..The people of the Scripture used to read the Torah in Hebrew and explain it to the Muslims in Arabic. Then Allah’s Apostle said, “Do not believe the people of the Scripture, and do not disbelieve them, but say, ‘We believe in Allah and whatever has been revealed…’


Al-Bukhari Vol 9, Book 93, No. 632

The Jews came to Allah’s Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah’s Apostle said to them, “What do you find in the Torah about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?” They replied, “(But) we announce their crime and lash them.” Abdullah bin Salam said, “You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm.” … the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, “Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm.

AntiChristian:


It's simple an unwritten book revealed to Jesus which he preached to the children of Israel.

It was never written during the lifetime of Jesus. His disciples may have written some parts of what he preached and this was circulated and later got corrupted by addition of what they didn't witness themselves.

How can a book be unwritten? Is this not a contradiction?

Balerion:
The Bible is not the Injil, The Bible was written and compiled by men.

The Quran that was given to Mohammed was also written and compiled by men!

Where is the injil? Don’t tell me that Allah could not keep his injil till today!

AntiChristian:


It's simple an unwritten book revealed to Jesus which he preached to the children of Israel.

It was never written during the lifetime of Jesus. His disciples may have written some parts of what he preached and this was circulated and later got corrupted by addition of what they didn't witness themselves.

A book that was not written?

What is a book? a set of written sheets of skin or paper or tablets of wood or ivory
b : a set of written, printed, or blank sheets bound together between a front and back cover

Maybe Islam has a different definition of book

IslamVIRGlNS:


Can anyone tell us when exactly the Bible became corrupted

Was it before Mohammed, during the lifetime of Mohammed or after the death of Mohammed.

Becos Muhammed never made such a claim, even at the time of revealing the Quran, he said people of the gospel should judge by what is revealed therein

“And let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allāh has revealed therein. And whoever does not judge by what Allāh has revealed - then it is those who are the defiantly disobedient.” Sura 5:47

When looking for the meaning of confusion just come here pick Balerion and AntiChristian as the best definition of confusion

Balerion:

The Injil was revealed to Isa (Jesus) not a book of account by Matthew and Mark

AntiChristian:


It's simple an unwritten book revealed to Jesus which he preached to the children of Israel.

It was never written during the lifetime of Jesus. His disciples may have written some parts of what he preached and this was circulated and later got corrupted by addition of what they didn't witness themselves.

NOT A BOOK and AN UNWRITTEN BOOK.. See confusion galore in the religion of Muhammad

Ekrenji:

A book that was not written?

What is a book? a set of written sheets of skin or paper or tablets of wood or ivory
b : a set of written, printed, or blank sheets bound together between a front and back cover

Maybe Islam has a different definition of book

You should get the gist except if you want to be cynical. I want to write a book! That's a sentence. The book never existed! But I want to write it.

purafapi:


How can a book be unwritten? Is this not a contradiction?

A book is usually unwritten before it's written. Think! Why are you guys all the same!

AntiChristian:


A book is usually unwritten before it's written. Think! Why are you guys all the same!

I am confused here. How can you call it a book when it unwritten? Is this Islamic logic?

purafapi:


I am confused here. How can you call it a book when it unwritten? Is this Islamic logic?

No! It is general logic! My thoughts when written down can be a book!

I can have a Book in my head!

AntiChristian:


No! It is general logic! My thoughts when written down can be a book!

I can have a Book in my head!

Lolzz. Your thoughts is not a book. This is classical Islamic logic.

So, you are saying Jesus Injil was in his thoughts and not a physical book? Is this your point?

purafapi:


Lolzz. Your thoughts is not a book. This is classical Islamic logic.

So, you are saying Jesus Injil was in his thoughts and not a physical book? Is this your point?

No!
I am saying a book can be written or not!

The Qur'an too was called a Book. But it wasn't written down in a book form till after Muhammad 's demise (salallahu alayhi wasalam).

Anything that can be written down (read) can be called a Book!

AntiChristian:


No!
I am saying a book can be written or not!

The Qur'an too was called a Book. But it wasn't written down in a book form till after Muhammad 's demise (salallahu alayhi wasalam).

Anything that can be written down (read) can be called a Book!

You are confusing yourself and your readers. We know that verses and sometimes chapters of the Quran were written on different objects available at the time the revelations came to the prophet. Some people wrote them down on bones, some on barks, some on paper. However, majority memorized them. It was never in book form until Zaid bn Thabit put everything together in a book form under the commandment of Caliph Uthman.

So, Quran was never in book form in the beginning. In fact, some revelation came as the situation demands. Example, when Mohammed wanted to have Zainab, the wife of Zaid. A convenient revelation came abolishing adoption so he could have her.

purafapi:


You are confusing yourself and your readers. We know that verses and sometimes chapters of the Quran were written on different objects available at the time the revelations came to the prophet. Some people wrote them down on bones, some on barks, some on paper. However, majority memorized them. It was never in book form until Zaid bn Thabit put everything together in a book form under the commandment of Caliph Uthman.

Not Uthman but Abu Bakr. See error 404!

So, Quran was never in book form in the beginning. In fact, some revelation came as the situation demands. Example, when Mohammed wanted to have Zainab, the wife of Zaid. A convenient revelation came abolishing adoption so he could have her.

It was already called a Book before taking the form of a Book! So a Book is what can be written and read!

ANTllSLAAM:
When looking for the meaning of confusion just come here pick Balerion and AntiChristian as the best definition of confusion






NOT A BOOK and AN UNWRITTEN BOOK.. See confusion galore in the religion of Muhammad

Try to understand my comment. "Not a book" was referring to the BIBLE

AntiChristian:


You should get the gist except if you want to be cynical. I want to write a book! That's a sentence. The book never existed! But I want to write it.

It is nt the same. Mohammed just got things mixed up, he had tot that Moses, David and Jesus were actually given books so he tot he was given a book called the Quran too.
Jesus never claimed to have been given any book, he said he came to preach the good news (gospel). Gospel is not book

Ekrenji:

It is nt the same. Mohammed just got things mixed up, he had tot that Moses, David and Jesus were actually given books so he tot he was given a book called the Quran too.
Jesus never claimed to have been given any book, he said he came to preach the good news (gospel). Gospel is not book

So then the Christians too lied by claiming Matthew, Mark, Luke and John gospels! If Jesus preached the gospel or good news then the good news should be one not four different accounts!

Your Jesus said in John 5:30 or so, that he can of himself do nothing! He judge as he hear...

Those things he did were as was revealed to him.

Balerion:

Try to understand my comment. "Not a book" was referring to the BIBLE

Your second said an unwritten book while you said not a book, do you understand the two statements? Is the not confusion in your religion?

ANTllSLAAM:


Your second said an unwritten book while you said not a book, do you understand the two statements? Is the not confusion in your religion?

Even if our opninions are contradictory which they are not, why not provide a better answer instead of finding mistakes