TenQ:

LOL,
And I didn't even study law!

There is an uncontroverted evidence that your prophet Muhammad is:

MUHAMMAD the WOMANISER, TERRORIST, MURDERER and PAEDOPHILE

Here is the EVIDENCE for you in the website link below
https://soc.culture.jordan.narkive.com/9GbYOhUO/muhammad-the-womaniser-terrorist-murderer-and-paedophile

I am sure you agree with this great UNCONTROVERSIAL EVIDENCE!?


Summarise the post in the website for others to read too because it is an UNCONTROVERSIAL EVIDENCE of who Mohammed truely is!

Too many chants of La illah illah la blocks the brain permanently!

TenQ:


Is your Yahya the same as John the Baptist of the Jews/Christians?

If you don't answer the above question, do not bother responding. It is a simple YES or NO, then we can move forward!

LegalWolf:


Lol, back to the simple question do you acknowledge based on uncontroverted evidence I cited that Yahya is not the arabic rendition of John

LegalWolf:


Lol, why are you scared of first acknowledging Yahya is not John after evidence proferred?? ? Mine is to hammer out your lie and show to the world that you are an hypocrite, a liar and a disgraceful bunch. The same way you wiggled your way around debating the fraud of a bible or yhwh that is exactly the same way you are running after being busted that Yahya is not John.

Afterall, sixfiguresmart was caught lying and he is not dead. You won't die after being bursted. Just answer the goddamn simple question and stop running like a roasted witch

TenQ:

Exactly Just as you have agreed on the uncontroversial EVIDENCE that the report on Mohammed is authentic

Here is the EVIDENCE for you in the website link below

https://soc.culture.jordan.narkive.com/9GbYOhUO/muhammad-the-womaniser-terrorist-murderer-and-paedophile

You may wish to summarise the post for us!

TenQ:

Lying time waster!

LegalWolf:


Mr. Man, the question is simple - DO YOU ACKNWOLEDGE, BASED ON EVIDENCE CITED, THAT YAHYA IS NOT AN HEBREW NAME . All these long, time-wasting, circuitous and irrational emotional outburst is not the answer you weasel!

LegalWolf:
TenQ it is even quite dumb. You asked me two questions and I answered one and I am asking you to either confirm or deny the answer and you have been dodging the question like someone whose lips have leprosy. Goddamn answer the Question and stop being a wuss you christian yo-yo!

LegalWolf:
TenQ it is even quite dumb. You asked me two questions and I answered one and I am asking you to either confirm or deny the answer and you have been dodging the question like someone whose lips have leprosy. Goddamn answer the Question and stop being a wuss you christian yo-yo!

LegalWolf:


Mr. Man, the question is simple - DO YOU ACKNWOLEDGE, BASED ON EVIDENCE CITED, THAT YAHYA IS NOT AN HEBREW NAME . All these long, time-wasting, circuitous and irrational emotional outburst is not the answer you weasel!

TenQ:








A man not worthy of his word is not worth a civil speech!

TenQ:








A man not worthy of his word is not worth a civil speech!

LegalWolf:


And the question still lives on unanswered 'O YOU ACKNWOLEDGE, BASED ON EVIDENCE CITED, THAT YAHYA IS NOT AN HEBREW NAME ..?

TenQ:



If Yahya is not a Hebrew word, is Yahya the same as John of the Jews and Christians?

If you are not a LIAR, why can you not answer

TenQ:



If Yahya is not a Hebrew word, is Yahya the same as John of the Jews and Christians?

If you are not a LIAR, why can you not answer

LegalWolf:


Mr. Man, It’s not a question of ifs, please. And stop running around like a mad man out of medications. The question is there begging for answer and don’t be a fraud by asking me dumb questions. Answer my question first

LegalWolf:


If you are not a liar and hypocrite, why can’t u answer a very short and simple question. Yahya again is NOT an Hebrew name. it’s a cognate of the word “ahyu” and literally translates to “He lives (on)”.

I’ve tried to explain this as if I am explaining to an imbec*le but characteristic of Christians, you keep acting dumb. And I’ll answer your questions, but you will answer mine too.

You were the one who lied and said Yahya means the fraudster called yhwh lives on. And you’re yet to prove it and my question still stands !!!

TenQ:

You are a lawyer, you can break down the sentence!

I say again, Can you quote where I said or insinuated or attempted to prove that the Qur'an Confirms the Bible?

TenQ:


https://researchoutput.csu.edu.au/en/publications/a-comparative-analysis-of-the-prophet-yahya-john-the-baptist-in-i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Baptist_in_Islam

https://www.alim.org/history/prophet-stories/28/5/

https://aboutislam.net/counseling/ask-about-islam/john-baptist-islam/


https://questionsonislam.com/article/testimony-yahya-john

https://www.al-islam.org/ethics-prophets-mohammad-mehdi-taj-langaroodi/24-ethos-prophet-john-yahya

https://www.islamic-awareness.org/quran/contrad/external/yahya

The Truth you are AFRAID to Speak: Five Muslim sites and Two secular sites stating unequivalently that Yahya is the same as John of the Jews and Christians.

TenQ:

Now we are making some progress

What language is “ahyu”?
What is the meaning of “ahyu”

LegalWolf:


What language did I tell you it’s a direct translation of?

LegalWolf:


Afraid to say what? You can be a fraudster all you want, but not with me.

First of, your claim was the name Yahya is derived from Hebrew which means “yhwh is gracious”. Then I tell you that it is not an Hebrew name but Arabic for “He lives on”.

LegalWolf:

That’s the origin of your circular argument and not the character of Yahya or whether Yahya is known as John or not. I have NOT confirmed or denied that Christians or Jews know Yahya as John . If I did, CAN YOU POINT ME TO WHERE I SAID SO??

Just one reference from me to where I said so and I will concede I am a liar. You cant lie your way to win an argument and it’s not my fault for not having a retentive memory.

LegalWolf:

But my question still lives - Do you acknowledge that Yahya is not an Arabic rendition of John” . Let me rephrase in case you can’t think, Do you acknowledge that Yahya’s has a literal translation in Arabic that is [b] completely different from the translation you gave

Just a simple question you’ve been running around like an imc*le. Just f-cking answer the goddamn question and stop beating around the bush.

Sixfiguresmart:
Even mohammes said that the Bible can authenticate the quran right in the quran itself. Sadly, the Bible does not

TenQ:

Yes, I did say that Yahya is an Arabic pronunciation of the Hebrew name: meaning "YHWH is Gracious".


I never one single time said that you said that "Yahya of the Qur'an is John. " Your DELIBERATE avoidance of the Question was what led me to to post the website links. Twisting my words to say what I never said is just Taqqiyya from you, although I expect it as you are a Muslim (no offence). But You will still be a LAIR if you cannot post just one single place where I said nor insinuated that you claimed that Yahya is the same as John of the Jews and Christians.

You REPEATEDLY refused to acknowledge nor deny that the Yahya of the Qur'an is the same as the John of the Jews and Christians after I REPEATEDLY asked you the question for you to assent or reject!



1. You said:
"Does TenQ acknowledge that Yahya is not an Arabic rendition of John?”

I do NOT concur with your flawed notion that Yahya is NOT an Arabic rendition of John

Yahya is in fact an Arabic rendition of John (of the Jews and Christians)
Reasons:
At least, he identity of the John in question is NOW clear and not in confusion to both of us: The John in Question is one whose Father is Zachariah a Hebrew Priest!

1. John was born at least 630 years before Islam. His known name would not be in Arabic but Hebrew.
2. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the true name of John is Yahya as a cognate of the word ahyu: it would have been a unique name to John ALONE because it would be a meaningless name in Hebrew! There should therefore be no other person OLDER than John bearing this name!

Do you fully concur with these two highlighted in YELLOW?
3. Except Zachariah and his wife got the pronunciation name of John wrong, can we assume that every Jew who called John by his name pronounced it properly. This, the name of John in Hebrew would be Yahya (Arabic tongue) and not Yohanan (Hebrew tongue).
I hope you know that the name John/Yohanan was extremely common in the time of Jesus?

4. The Qur'an has a PROVEN history of RENDERING Jewish names in Arabic.
ENGLISH -HEBREW- ARABIC
Moses= Moshe = Musa
David= Da'vid = Dawud
Jesus = Yeshua= Yisa
Elijah=Eliyyahu= Ilyas
Joseph=Yosef= Yusuf
Ezekiel=Yeḥezqel= Dhulkifl
Jethro = Yatar =Shu'aib

If the Qur'an has done SEVERAL Renderations of Hebrew names into Arabic, what makes the rendition of Yohanan to Yahya impossible?

Your rebuttal if you have any to these four above please.

LegalWolf:


The conversation is getting interesting as I can see the readiness to engage and not deliberately run away from questions. Now back to the point:

1. John was born at least 630 years before Islam. His known name would not be in Arabic but Hebrew

LegalWolf:

1. What was in dispute was the meaning of a name as you clearly acknowledged and not the identity or character of a person.

2. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the true name of John is Yahya as a cognate of the word ahyu: it would have been a unique name to John ALONE because it would be a meaningless name in Hebrew! There should therefore be no other person OLDER than John bearing this name!

Do you fully concur with these two highlighted in YELLOW?

LegalWolf:

2. The Arabic rendition of every Hebrew name you mentioned pre-Islam is correct except for one which is John

3. Except Zachariah and his wife got the pronunciation name of John wrong, can we assume that every Jew who called John by his name pronounced it properly. This, the name of John in Hebrew would be Yahya (Arabic tongue) and not Yohanan (Hebrew tongue).
I hope you know that the name John/Yohanan was extremely common in the time of Jesus?

LegalWolf:

3. Even till today in Middle East, the Arabic rendition of the gospel of John is Yohana and not Yahya . This is a quick reference for your attention (https://www.arabicbible.com/images/stories/sections/bible/Parallel/04_John.pdf) if you can read in Arabic. The fourth book of the Bible (Gospel according to John) is Injil Al-Masih Hasabah Bashiri Yohana if Yahya is the Arabic rendition of John, why yohanna rather than Yahya? After all, Injil is actually the rendition of gospel?

4. The Qur'an has a PROVEN history of RENDERING Jewish names in Arabic.
ENGLISH -HEBREW- ARABIC
Moses= Moshe = Musa
David= Da'vid = Dawud
Jesus = Yeshua= Yisa
Elijah=Eliyyahu= Ilyas
Joseph=Yosef= Yusuf
Ezekiel=Yeḥezqel= Dhulkifl
Jethro = Yatar =Shu'aib

If the Qur'an has done SEVERAL Renderations of Hebrew names into Arabic, what makes the rendition of Yohanan to Yahya impossible?

LegalWolf:

4.On your forth question, It is a flawed logic to equate the attribution of Yahya to John to mean Yahya is derived from Hebrew. That is all the crux of my argument and I have clearly shown that. After all, the Quran called a specific prophet Khalil and another Habib (of course both being jewish prophets) when that is not their given names.

LegalWolf:

5. Every word borrowed into a Language is meaningless. Musa has no meaning in Arabic nor Hausa (a language I speak). Same with Suleiman. Why is Yahya different for Arabic?

LegalWolf:

Have I missed question in the post I responded to? So lets clarify this because it is a quid pro quo to me. Answer my questions and I answer yours

TenQ:

Now is the time to back up your claims with evidence

My Post
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There is no conflict as to the identity of the person, we both know we refer to the same Son of Zachariah.

Meaning:
You will have to provide a proof of John identified as Yahya BEFORE Islam came into being.

Can you provide an evidence before Islam which came over 630 years after John was born.

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i. Can you prove that every Hebrew name I mentioned was correct EXCEPT Yahya?

ii.If the true name of John was Yahya and not Yohanan, there should be evidence of that predating Islam wouldn't it?

iii. There should be no other person named John older than him. What if we can find names of people IDENTICAL to the name of John in History predating Islam!? Do you know that the name John was a common name at the time of Jesus?


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Very lame argument because just as for John, the name Jesus in Arabic bible is DIFFERENT from the name Jesus in the Qur'an

Jesus Christ name in Arabic is:

عيسى المسيح (Isa Al Maseeh) for Muslims
يسوع المسيح (Yasou’ Al Maseeh) for Christians

Same reason bro!
You can get other differences here below:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_terms_in_Arabic


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You will need to give a proof that Yahya is the original name of John and the fact that it is form Arabic roots and not Hebrew.

What was the name of Jesus derived from?

It's like somebody arguing that Oduduwa is from is an English name. Wouldn't you want to know the history of how it came to be?

i. Why is it that ALL the other names are correct Arabic renditions of the Hebrew names with the exception of John? What's your EVIDENCE?

My Post
You should have consulted with the people of the book before making this blunder below . LOL!


Moses:
The name is Egyptian in origin. It means Drawn Out as moses was drawn out of water.
Exo 2:10:
"And the child grew, and she brought him unto Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. And she called his name Moses: and she said, Because I drew him out of the water."
Solomon:
The name is Hebrew in Origin!
Means Man/Person of Peace!
From the Hebrew name שְׁלֹמֹה (Shelomoh), which was derived from Hebrew שָׁלוֹם (shalom) meaning "peace".

Now, meaning of names DO NOT change with Language and Culture.
Yehoshua= Joshua= Jesus= Yesu, Jesu ALL mean the same thing "Yahweh with Us"!

If I change the spelling or pronunciation of Mohammed to Muhammad have I changed the meaning from "the Praised One"?

You will still need to explain why ONLY the name Yahya was rendered incorrectly by the Jews and Christians!





Summary:
1. Find any other person named Yahya by the Jews?
2. Show that no other person has the same name as what John was called by the Jews and Christians?
3. You will need to show that, the name of John in Hebrew would be Yahya (Arabic tongue) and not Yohanan (Hebrew tongue)?
4. Show why Yahya is the ONLY mis-transmitted name in the Qur'an?
5. Would you agre le to the fact that other Jews were called the same name John the Baptist was called?

You can see how easily ALL your rebuttals were deflated!
Over to you please!

Sixfiguresmart:
Just to imagine that Legalwolf is a lawyer is utterly disconcerting to me. His level of exposure and mental cognizance is below freezing point.

His ability to respond to a simple question is alarmingly basic and poor. It's hard getting to sustain a casual conversation with a brainwashed element like him

LegalWolf:


You haven't answered your question and your futile attempt of hiding under the shadow of the pseudo-apologist TenQ would not save you. Still waiting for your proof actually

LegalWolf:


Your attempt to clutch to straws is 'disconcerning' as sixfiguresmart used the word. Dribbling round the issue would not save you as I have made the point abundantly clear and trying to dodge the burden of proof is futile as it squarely lies on. Now let me recap the point so you can catch the drift (not that I am just doing it):

- You claim that Yahya means the 'yhwh is gracious' being an arabic rendition of the Hebrew name Yohana.

- I dispute that saying yhyh is an arabic name meaning 'He lives on'

- I cited with proof that even the Arabic bible renders John as Yuhana and not 'Yahya'

- In response, you claim quite correctly that Arabic bible refers to jesus as 'Yasu' but you have failed to tell us that Yasu is practically meaningless in Arabic

- Again, you have failed to show that Yahya does not have any meaning in Arabic given that is direct rendition of an Hebrew name . This is the central point of our argument. Or let me put it differently, it is only when you show that Yahya has no meaning in Arabic being that it is a borrowed Hebrew name would you have a point .

- Just to digress a bit, can you tell me the literal meaning of 'Yasu' in arabic?

To put in better context because it appears the point flew over your head in the previous post. My contention is when a name is borrowed into another language, that name has no meaning in the new language. Lets use the example of John. We both agree that the name John in English is ultimately traceable to Yohanna. But it is meaningless in English. Same thing with Yehoshua traceable to Hebrew but the name 'Jesus' is meaningless in English. So why would Yahya's own be different which has a literal meaning in Arabic? This is the ultimate crux you have to demonstrate not the backward shifting goal post you are trying to do above.

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Sixfiguresmart:
Yes, I am glad that you are learning from me. That is what big black brothers do. Learn and be better. That is why I share for free. I am sure that you are here for the extras too.

Jesus is from Ιησούς or modern Greek Iisús. Jehovah is from Ἰαω or Iaō. If you look carefully, you can see the diacritics that push the vowel sounds. Those diacritics are missing in the oldest quran even after over 400 years of popularity in all languages. Now, the 'I' sound in Greek language changes to 'J' sound in English. Ιεροσόλυμα is Yerushalayim or Jerusalem. The Hebrew language has no 'J' sound just as Arabic has no B or V sound and more. So, Jehovah is YaHwa in Arabic. John is Yahya.

The point to note here is that, though Arabic has a similar or stronger 'J' sound, but because the language was formed from Aramaic and Hebrew, they simply copied the deficiencies of those languages especially when ancient words are mentioned. This letter ج sounds ججِيم‎ (jīm) is a harder 'J' in English.

If you criticize Jesus in English, you end up having a harder time with Issa in Arabic. Because, Arabic copied right from the Greek rather than the Hebrew word. So, at the time that the Christians preached in Arabia, Paul used Greek which was the dominant language in the Arabian peninsula. Though the sounds differ from Hebrew Yehoshua or Yeshua (the shortened form). But, from a soft bite, you can feel the connection of the first and last vowel sounds. E.g PeTer or Pe_er, or Peder.

LegalWolf:


Two questions please:

- All what you wrote goes to prove what exactly ?

- And of what connection is it to the simple question I asked you that you’ve failed to respond to ?