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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by agitator: 11:28am On Aug 24, 2013
^^^^

You talk sense my sister.
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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by Garrithe1st: 11:37am On Aug 24, 2013
edo.girl:
It's all down to viability. Truth is LNG is yesterday's news. The world has moved on. Nigeria's biggest LNG project (Brass LNG)has been stuck in phase 2 (called Train 2) when it was planned to have 4 trains. The multinational oil companies are also involved in that project.

The price of LNG collapsed on the world market a few years back, and though it has improved a bit, new gas discoveries have been made in many more countries (including East Africa)thus meaning there are more supply sources. Paradoxically, much of Nigeria's gas can't be sold locally due to low domestic prices.

With LNG no longer in hot demand (as it was when Olokola and the other projects were planned), and no viable domestic market, any surprise investors are pulling back. Investors are hard-nosed profiteers. They are no mugs.

To compound LNG's problem, there is the phenomenon that is shale gas, which is reshaping America's (and soon the world's) energy market. With the discovery of shale gas, LNG prices in America are so low that if you got a ship-load of Nigerian LNG for free, and ship it to the US, by the time it arrives there, the cost of shipping alone will ensure that the 'free' LNG will still be almost as expensive as the current cost of LNG in the American market.

As far as LNG is concerned, OLOKOLA IS DEAD. It's not politics. The project, and others in Nigeria simply are not adding up anymore. What to do is to keep it alive for other industries, and the proposed Dangote refinery is a good step. It can become a cluster for allied petrochemical, plastic, and other industries. It can still achieve serious success.

What we should be doing as a country is seriously looking at rebalancing the economy away from its over dependence on oil. But when you have a political class whose sole desire is to loot, there is no hope of any such rebalancing happening. They are simply not interested.

Ever wondered how much energy, resources, and valuable time this Presidency was spending on Amaechi and PDP's political machinations in Anambra? You get it! Their own personal financial considerations are far more important to them.

I wish you could loan some of your brain cells to B*r*m and Gb*l*we...

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by Spiff20(m): 11:55am On Aug 24, 2013
plaindealer:



1. ND is not the only oil producing region in Nigeria, Ondo state where the project was sited is an oil producing state too.

2. Chevron's oil activities is in Ondo state hence their involvement in the project in Ondo state.


3. ND is not the beginning and end of oil in Nigeria, oil id flowing in other regions too and it's about to start flowing in Lagos too.


4. Ondo and Ogon state are building the OK FTZ/Energy hub and a deep sea port to move LNG and other energy products all over the world in the same area.

5. Dangote is spending $8 billion on his Refinery in the same Olokola FTZ

6. Covenant Ground Refinery is building another refinery in the same Olokola (OKFTZ) in Ondo State too.

The FG and the rest of the shortsighted clowns in Abuja can sabotage and play their usual bad bele game, but their failed LNG project is not the only game in town. It's still full steam ahead for Olokola (OKFTZ).

This is going to be the new Energy Capital of Sub Africa and next in line is the Badagry Energy city...



Thank and like me for this wonderful education...



only uninformed people will like dis out of sheer ignorance. Is d LNG gonna be bigger nd beta dan dat of bonny which is d 2nd best in d world. We all know warri 2 be d main oil nd gas zone 4 chevron with d burutu forcados so shut ya mouth up

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by ono(m): 11:55am On Aug 24, 2013
edo.girl:
It's all down to viability.
The price of LNG collapsed on the world market a few years back, and though it has improved a bit, new gas discoveries have been made in many more countries (including East Africa)thus meaning there are more supply sources. Paradoxically, much of Nigeria's gas can't be sold locally due to low domestic prices.

Actually the above in bold is not true in its entirety.

I have a very reliable source at Bonny LNG who stated that it was more profitable selling our liquefied natural gas to local manufacturing companies at Aba, Ota, Enugu and elsewhere. We all know that the companies at Aba buys gas from either Shell Gas or LNG. Do you think Shell and Total supply gas to Bonny LNG for free? Very cheap source of energy translates to very cheap product - and you can imagine the multiplier effect on consumer goods etc etc.

As a matter of fact, we as a nation stand to benefit hugely from low energy prices. Environmental degradation as a result of using firewood and kerosene will stop when you can buy cheap liquefied petroleum gas and use for cooking. Imagine every home in Nigeria with gas lines to their homes for cooking. Shouldn't that be something everyone should desire?

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by Nobody: 12:09pm On Aug 24, 2013
edo.girl:
It's all down to viability. Truth is LNG is yesterday's news. The world has moved on. Nigeria's biggest LNG project (Brass LNG)has been stuck in phase 2 (called Train 2) when it was planned to have 4 trains. The multinational oil companies are also involved in that project.

The price of LNG collapsed on the world market a few years back, and though it has improved a bit, new gas discoveries have been made in many more countries (including East Africa)thus meaning there are more supply sources. Paradoxically, much of Nigeria's gas can't be sold locally due to low domestic prices.

With LNG no longer in hot demand (as it was when Olokola and the other projects were planned), and no viable domestic market, any surprise investors are pulling back. Investors are hard-nosed profiteers. They are no mugs.

To compound LNG's problem, there is the phenomenon that is shale gas, which is reshaping America's (and soon the world's) energy market. With the discovery of shale gas, LNG prices in America are so low that if you got a ship-load of Nigerian LNG for free, and ship it to the US, by the time it arrives there, the cost of shipping alone will ensure that the 'free' LNG will still be almost as expensive as the current cost of LNG in the American market.

As far as LNG is concerned, OLOKOLA IS DEAD. It's not politics. The project, and others in Nigeria simply are not adding up anymore. What to do is to keep it alive for other industries, and the proposed Dangote refinery is a good step. It can become a cluster for allied petrochemical, plastic, and other industries. It can still achieve serious success.

What we should be doing as a country is seriously looking at rebalancing the economy away from its over dependence on oil. But when you have a political class whose sole desire is to loot, there is no hope of any such rebalancing happening. They are simply not interested.

Ever wondered how much energy, resources, and valuable time this Presidency was spending on Amaechi and PDP's political machinations in Anambra? You get it! Their own personal financial considerations are far more important to them.
You spoke with high intelligence and wisdom! I had been following the thread and the numerous comments, and as one...I can boldly say- you said the truth.

The world is becoming more concerned about the ozone...and the influence of terrorism on crude oil supply to western nations.

What do I mean? Western nations like: US, Canada, UK, France, Germany, etc are afraid that in future, it will be very difficult for them to secure/buy crude oil, LNG, etc from middle east and africa who are of course the major producers of these products, due to increasing rate of terrorism and militancy, and for this reason, they are keen to discovering alternative energy sources to substitute crude oil and LNG in case middle east and africa decide to stop selling to them.

A new energy source has been discovered in Canada...and more are on the way, and these have affected the price of brent, bonny light, etc crudes and LNG in the American market which happens to be one of the biggest oil market in the world.

Honestly, if things continue as it is, oil companies will start downsizing and laying off workers plus pay cuts...and this ought to be a wake up call to African governments to start preparing for the future without sole-dependence on crude oil and gas.

The value of crude oil will surely reduce in future...Nigeria really need to develop another means of sustaining our economy for better tomorrow.

Even though there is corruption, politics and ethnic battle in the so-called project, the truth remains that LNG value/price is dropping in the global market and it poses threat to prospective investors of the project.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by naptu2: 12:22pm On Aug 24, 2013
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by gerald09(m): 12:24pm On Aug 24, 2013
I just pray ondo people will be smart enough to use dis dere new found wealth to develop dem state n teach dem dumb as*s ND how to develop with oil money. Now dey won't keep say na only dem dey feed Nigeria competition is a b*tich
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by Nobody: 12:26pm On Aug 24, 2013
ono:

Actually the above in bold is not true in its entirety.

I have a very reliable source at Bonny LNG who stated that it was more profitable selling our liquefied natural gas to local manufacturing companies at Aba, Ota, Enugu and elsewhere. We all know that the companies at Aba buys gas from either Shell Gas or LNG. Do you think Shell and Total supply gas to Bonny LNG for free? Very cheap source of energy translates to very cheap product - and you can imagine the multiplier effect on consumer goods etc etc.

As a matter of fact, we as a nation stand to benefit hugely from low energy prices. Environmental degradation as a result of using firewood and kerosene will stop when you can buy cheap liquefied petroleum gas and use for cooking. Imagine every home in Nigeria with gas lines to their homes for cooking. Shouldn't that be something everyone should desire?
You have good point too, but my dear, if Nigerian leaders can be visionary for once and see into the future ( though I doubt due to widespread corruption/tribalism/nepotism/etc), what we need right now is alternative and reliable source of sustaining our economy in the future.

We need to massively encourage and develop technology and engineering in Nigeria- these two never fail. They are what's sustaining so many western economies even in the most difficult times.

Imagine if we have the technological know-how to be meeting the needs of our fellow west african nations for a start- supplying them bicycles, local machines, tricycles, agricultural equipments, etc manufactured by Nigerian technicians. Honestly, we won't be afraid of how crude oil is doing in the global market and there will be so many small and medium scale industries and lots of job opportunities.

Instead our brothers in the north are busy wasting their energy and talent in waging religious/political war.

Anyway, we lost it all after the civil war in 1969. If Nigerian leaders then were visionary and intelligent enough to see into the future, they ought to have preserved the numerous local technologies Biafrans and the Nigerian sides developed during that civil war.

That was how the world evolved technologically. Virtually all the technologies we are enjoying in the world today came into existence as a result of world war 1 and 2 (mainly).

Germans, Americans, Britons, French, Russians, etc preserved and developed on the war technologies and look at them today. But Nigeria destroyed our own war technologies so that it won't be credited to any tribe as the source, sighs.

We still have a long way sha...God help us.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by edogirl2: 12:32pm On Aug 24, 2013
Bros, this is more about international energy economics than whatever your 'reliable source' at Brass tells you.

When the board of directors of an oil major meets in Texas or London to deliberate on whether to invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a project in far away Africa, all they think about is what's in it for them as a company and typically, they are more interested in extracting and selling in the international market where they can get their dollars quickly.

Besides, the Nigerian govt interferes with domestic gas prices, and industrial and domestic use of gas is still relatively low in Nigeria. You probably live in Ikoyi where you are all wired up for gas, but when I drive round my area, I see people with their cans searching for kerosene. Very few people use gas in Nigeria.

To give you an example, if you produce 100 gallons of water and there is only market for 10 gallons (at poor prices), would you keep digging more water wells to increase production? And how many manufacturing companies in so-called Aba and Ogun state are 'wired up' to use gas? And where is the infrastructure to distribute the gas.

Of course it's good we have gas, but the infrastructure needed to grow widespread domestic use of gas is not there, and the oil multinationals are not going to wait around until our govt sorts itself out.

It's always amusing to here people say, my friend or a 'reliable source' said this or that. If your reliable source and the others at Brass had been any good at their job in the first place, we would not be left gasping for air when a foreign company pulls out of a project. Like the politicians, your source and his Brass co-workers are creaming off huge salaries and not contributing nothing to steer the country in the right direction.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by Nobody: 12:44pm On Aug 24, 2013
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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by ono(m): 12:54pm On Aug 24, 2013
@edo.girl,
Sorry, it's not Brass - Bonny please. So, let me tell you point blank that I work with an IOC (the inner caucus group) - is that sufficient for you now? So spare me all the other facts about economics and planning.

There is a Shell Nigeria Gas outfit at Ota for your information (http://www.shell.com.ng/products-services/solutions-for-businesses/natural-gas.html). That unit sell gas to many of the factories at Ota and Aba. So, your claim that usage of natural gas is ''relatively low'' and that very few people use gas in Nigeria isn't very true. You even stated that ''Paradoxically, much of Nigeria's gas can't be sold locally due to low domestic prices. '' What you should say is that the requisite 'hardware' needed to channel the stuff to many end users isn't there at the moment, but I think (and I hope this will come to fruition) the FG is putting some plans in place to make sure that the distribution of this product is within the reach of the average Nigerian - to get better value.

You may want to read the stuff in this link as well. If we want to enlighten the public, lets do it properly.
http://www.nnpcgroup.com/NNPCBusiness/BusinessInformation/InvestmentOpportunities/NigeriaGas.aspx

You need to understand that cheap energy sources means better life for everyone. It is true that profit making will be severely cut as a result of the 'glut' of gas in the market. But that doesn't make it unviable. If the IOCs don't go into the business, others will.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by pazienza(m): 1:04pm On Aug 24, 2013
guonno:

Before the war they said the igboman wanted to take over nigeria, now tell what a major gas facility is doing between ondo and ogun? Is it cost effective to transport gas from warri, kparamatu, etc to somewhere between ondo and ogun for conversion into LNG? Deltans should not complain but enjoy the one nigeria.
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by edogirl2: 1:08pm On Aug 24, 2013
Nigeria is the second largest producer of liquefied petroleum gas in Africa, and the sixth largest producer in the world with over 3million metric tones annually. However, current per capita consumption of the gas in Nigeria is about 0.8kg/annum. This is the lowest in Sub-Saharan Africa; lower than those of Nigeria’s West Africa neighbours who do not produce the product. Annual LPG consumption is in Nigeria for 2010, was put at 120,000MT, whereas, in Lagos alone, there is a potential market for 1,000,000MT annually. Source: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/natural-gas-importance-and-uses-2/

There you go about our per capita gas consumption. You see the problems we face in this country. You are an insider in the industry, yet you do not appear to be aware of the situation. For all we know, you could be a policy maker in the industry. No wonder the country keeps going around in endless circles.

I don't think I said anywhere that there is no potential for increased pas consumption. My argument is that real demand has been low, given the amount the country produces and was billed to produce. That's why I said, the multinationals are not going to sink in more of their money, hence why Brass (Bonny?) has not moved beyond train 2, and why they are pulling out of Olokola.

Perhaps you have different reasons as to why these projects have stalled.

Burying one's head in the sand and saying that all is well and rosy isn't going to get us anywhere. When other countries can see problems several decades ahead, we insist 'all is well and good.' Should we continue to produce gas, absolutely. Should we increase production when economics demand it, yes. Should we be looking to diversify our economy away from near-total dependence on oil. A bigger yes.
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by ono(m): 1:14pm On Aug 24, 2013
@edo.girl,
I will rather believe the stories/news I get from companies corporate websites than from ANY Nigerian newspaper outfit - any day, any time.

And please, I never implied in any way that Olokola was a viable project. Way back since 2006 I ''predicted'' - and that, right here on Nairaland, that the project is a dead-on-arrival one.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by edogirl2: 1:19pm On Aug 24, 2013
My brother, like you, I am usually cautious about Nigerian newspaper, but you can find similar information in the Economist.

I think we both agree that we need to diversify. Of course oil & gas will continue to be important to the economy.
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by naptu2: 1:25pm On Aug 24, 2013
Finally, we are getting somewhere.

Here's the truth.

There will be demand for gas from Asia, but there will also be demand from the Independent Power Projects that are coming on stream. We will still produce gas and even expand the quantity we produce. However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't diversify our economy. The reasons for diversification were as valid in 1982 as they are at the moment.

The real trick that will lead to diversification is fiscal federalism and democracy.

Between 1956-1966 the regions had more control and got more revenue from their resources and so were able to look within and leverage on their areas of comparative advantage. That wasn't the case in 1999 when we returned to civilian rule. Democracy, increased autonomy for state governments, etc have improved things, but we are moving much too slowly.

Why isn't Ondo aggressively exploiting its cocoa? Even if we agree that Nigerian politicians are very corrupt, it's still true that exploitation of cocoa will produce more money for them to steal. Why have the northern governors refused to set up ranches, milk and meat processing factories, invest in agricultural extension, etc. Why isn't government patronising Innososn? What about the Eko Auto Company?

The reason is simple: cheap oil money from the centre.

We need to wean state governments off this drug by implementing real fiscal federalism.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by plaindealer: 1:59pm On Aug 24, 2013
Spiff20: only uninformed people will like dis out of sheer ignorance. Is d LNG gonna be bigger nd beta dan dat of bonny which is d 2nd best in d world. We all know warri 2 be d main oil nd gas zone 4 chevron with d burutu forcados so shut ya mouth up


Exactly what's this pointless and what's big or not big paranoia got to do with me and what I said or you just don't know how to read and understand basic English words?
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by plaindealer: 2:22pm On Aug 24, 2013
edo.girl:
It's all down to viability. Truth is LNG is yesterday's news. The world has moved on. Nigeria's biggest LNG project (Brass LNG)has been stuck in phase 2 (called Train 2) when it was planned to have 4 trains. The multinational oil companies are also involved in that project.

The price of LNG collapsed on the world market a few years back, and though it has improved a bit, new gas discoveries have been made in many more countries (including East Africa)thus meaning there are more supply sources. Paradoxically, much of Nigeria's gas can't be sold locally due to low domestic prices.

With LNG no longer in hot demand (as it was when Olokola and the other projects were planned), and no viable domestic market, any surprise investors are pulling back. Investors are hard-nosed profiteers. They are no mugs.

To compound LNG's problem, there is the phenomenon that is shale gas, which is reshaping America's (and soon the world's) energy market. With the discovery of shale gas, LNG prices in America are so low that if you got a ship-load of Nigerian LNG for free, and ship it to the US, by the time it arrives there, the cost of shipping alone will ensure that the 'free' LNG will still be almost as expensive as the current cost of LNG in the American market.

As far as LNG is concerned, OLOKOLA IS DEAD. It's not politics. The project, and others in Nigeria simply are not adding up anymore. What to do is to keep it alive for other industries, and the proposed Dangote refinery is a good step. It can become a cluster for allied petrochemical, plastic, and other industries. It can still achieve serious success.

What we should be doing as a country is seriously looking at rebalancing the economy away from its over dependence on oil. But when you have a political class whose sole desire is to loot, there is no hope of any such rebalancing happening. They are simply not interested.

Ever wondered how much energy, resources, and valuable time this Presidency was spending on Amaechi and PDP's political machinations in Anambra? You get it! Their own personal financial considerations are far more important to them.


True, with other source of LNG springing up all over the world, the price fell drastically, but you are wrong about local demand and consumption simply because we are still decades behind in gas usage, we mostly still burn fosil fuel and kerosene when we really should have moved away from such relic products to LNG. Our industries and homes are yet to be penetrated because of lack of investment and will by our leaders to see beyond their pockets and greed.

By now, we should be talking about our buses running on LNG, laying gas pipes into our homes and industries.


Saying there is no demand for what we are yet to tap and desperately need to tap on behalf of 160 million population sounds a little bit off. The fact that our lazy and usless leaders are yet to do the right thing doesn't mean the demand is not there, in fact, the demand is huge and untapped..
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by naptu2: 2:25pm On Aug 24, 2013
plaindealer:


True, with other source of LNG springing up all over the world, the price fell drastically, but you are wrong about local demand and consumption simply because we are still decades behind in gas usage, we mostly still burn fosil fuel and kerosene when we really should have moved away from such relic products to LNG. Our industries and homes are yet to be penetrated because of lack of investment and will by our leaders to see beyond their pockets and greed.

By now, we should be talking about our buses running on LNG, laying gas pipes into our homes and industries.


Saying there is no demand for what we are yet to tap and desperately need to tap on behalf of 160 million population sounds a little bit off. The fact that our lazy and usless leaders are yet to do the right thing doesn't mean the demand is not there, in fact, the demand is huge and untapped..


I remember that, back in the 1980s, NNPC regularly exhibited a made in Nigeria peugeot 504 that ran on gas, with the promise that such cars would go on sale in Nigeria "next year".
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by rodbel(m): 2:27pm On Aug 24, 2013
Billyonaire: Obj blackmailed Ibori to secede land to Ondo so yorubaland can be called oil producing state and went ahead to build that LNG to pipe gas from ND.

That LNG will not work cos ondo and ogun has no gas. Obj's second name is injustice.

I want to guess you are from Niger Delta....... You just followed their pattern of reasoning...... **no atom of intelligence**
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by atlwireles: 2:35pm On Aug 24, 2013
bloggernaija: What the heck are you talking about?
Chevron's main oil and gas field is located in ondo state.
Lagos state is about to start producing oil.
There are gas fields off badagry and republic of Benin .
Olokola is located in ondo state.
So dangote was stupid to site his refinery in olokola too,abi?
Which international corporate entity too you think is stupid enough to site a capital intensive project of that nature again in the niger delta?with the insecurity in the place, do you think it is a strategically smart thing to do?
Why do people just open their mouth without thinking?
MARK MY WORD , IT IS GOING TO GET BUILT AND THERE IS NOTHING AGENTS OF RETROGRESSION CAN DO ABOUT IT.

You are a liar from the kingdom of satan. Chevron is in Ondo state, tell that to any itskeri My God, when did Ondo become an oil producing state, was it not 2003. After OBJ gave oil wells in delta to Ondo

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by plaindealer: 2:40pm On Aug 24, 2013
atlwireles:

You are a liar from the kingdom of satan. Chevron is in Ondo state, tell that to any itskeri My God, when did Ondo become an oil producing state, was it not 2003. After OBJ gave oil wells in delta to Ondo


OK we don hear, there is no oil in ondo and every drop of oil in Nigeria is from ND if makes you snore well at night, but please don't derail or let it degenerate into your usual tribal mud slinging.

Curb your tribal agro for the sake of the thread abeg.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by atlwireles: 2:49pm On Aug 24, 2013
plaindealer:


OK we don hear, there is no oil in ondo and every drop of oil in Nigeria is from ND if makes you snore well at night, but please don't derail or let it degenerate into your usual tribal mud slinging.

Curb your tribal agro for the sake of the thread abeg.

Sorry, if it came out tribal, but the comment of Ondo producing oil before 2003 has to be dealt with. Also this plant was suppose to be in Ondo/Ogun but the gas is pipe lined from where. This kind of political projects will fail in Nigeria. Those days should be gone forever.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by agbameta: 3:08pm On Aug 24, 2013
atlwireles:

Sorry, if it came out tribal, but the comment of Ondo producing oil before 2003 has to be dealt with. Also this plant was suppose to be in Ondo/Ogun but the gas is pipe lined from where. This kind of political projects will fail in Nigeria. Those days should be gone forever.


Not that I'm with your argument, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Fact remains that Ondo is an oil producing state and Chevron is in Ondo state and they get their oil from the same Ondo state so it's only natural for them to secure their oil from the same location they operate in which is Ondo state on top of the fact that the same area is a major FTZ with other energy comps including our own DANGOTE investing bilions of dollars in the same location.

So why are they concentrating their energy activities in this very location if tthere is no oil there? Do you think they don't have business sense or how and where to invest their money or do you think they are all political including DANGOTE?

I just don't see any sense in your argument...sorry to say.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by plaindealer: 3:10pm On Aug 24, 2013
agbameta:


Not that I'm with your argument, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Fact remains that Ondo is an oil producing state and Chevron is in Ondo state and they get their oil from the same Ondo state so it's only natural for them to secure their oil from the same location they operate in which is Ondo state on top of the fact that the same area is a major FTZ with other energy comps including our own DANGOTE investing bilions of dollars in the same location.

So why are they concentrating their energy activities in this very location if tthere is no oil there? Do you think they don't have business sense or how and where to invest their money or do you think they are all political including DANGOTE?

I just don't see any sense in your argument...sorry to say.



I don't know why people think ND is the only oil producing region in Nigeria..
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by atlwireles: 3:14pm On Aug 24, 2013
edo.girl:
Nigeria is the second largest producer of liquefied petroleum gas in Africa, and the sixth largest producer in the world with over 3million metric tones annually. However, current per capita consumption of the gas in Nigeria is about 0.8kg/annum. This is the lowest in Sub-Saharan Africa; lower than those of Nigeria’s West Africa neighbours who do not produce the product. Annual LPG consumption is in Nigeria for 2010, was put at 120,000MT, whereas, in Lagos alone, there is a potential market for 1,000,000MT annually. Source: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/07/natural-gas-importance-and-uses-2/

There you go about our per capita gas consumption. You see the problems we face in this country. You are an insider in the industry, yet you do not appear to be aware of the situation. For all we know, you could be a policy maker in the industry. No wonder the country keeps going around in endless circles.

I don't think I said anywhere that there is no potential for increased pas consumption. My argument is that real demand has been low, given the amount the country produces and was billed to produce. That's why I said, the multinationals are not going to sink in more of their money, hence why Brass (Bonny?) has not moved beyond train 2, and why they are pulling out of Olokola.

Perhaps you have different reasons as to why these projects have stalled.

Burying one's head in the sand and saying that all is well and rosy isn't going to get us anywhere. When other countries can see problems several decades ahead, we insist 'all is well and good.' Should we continue to produce gas, absolutely. Should we increase production when economics demand it, yes. Should we be looking to diversify our economy away from near-total dependence on oil. A bigger yes.

As much as I agree with some of your points. The fact remains, that natural gas demand globally will rise. Shale gas or not. LNG Plants will play a major role in this market. Even the American shale gas will be exported somewhere in Asia. The cost of building new pipelines,shipping terminals and very strict environmental rules will not only equalize, whatever advantage they have, it will actually make our gas cheaper .The Indians, Chinese, Japanese and Koreans are in desperate need of Natural gas. China is spending hundred of billions to pipeline gas from Russia. The America market is gone, but Asia is just opening up. Nigeria is well position due to cost and availability of this product to remain a player for another 100ys. Unless we turn water in some kind of cost effective energy source.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by yunisco: 3:17pm On Aug 24, 2013
bloggernaija: What the heck are you talking about?
Chevron's main oil and gas field is located in ondo state.
Lagos state is about to start producing oil.
There are gas fields off badagry and republic of Benin .
Olokola is located in ondo state.
So dangote was stupid to site his refinery in olokola too,abi?
Which international corporate entity too you think is stupid enough to site a capital intensive project of that nature again in the niger delta?with the insecurity in the place, do you think it is a strategically smart thing to do?
Why do people just open their mouth without thinking?
MARK MY WORD , IT IS GOING TO GET BUILT AND THERE IS NOTHING AGENTS OF RETROGRESSION CAN DO ABOUT IT.
Even jonathan can not stop dis project my brother. Any hand that want to stop dis project in my state, HOLY GHOST FIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by atlwireles: 3:37pm On Aug 24, 2013
agbameta:


Not that I'm with your argument, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Fact remains that Ondo is an oil producing state and Chevron is in Ondo state and they get their oil from the same Ondo state so it's only natural for them to secure their oil from the same location they operate in which is Ondo state on top of the fact that the same area is a major FTZ with other energy comps including our own DANGOTE investing bilions of dollars in the same location.

So why are they concentrating their energy activities in this very location if tthere is no oil there? Do you think they don't have business sense or how and where to invest their money or do you think they are all political including DANGOTE?

I just don't see any sense in your argument...sorry to say.

Have you been to the kaduna petrol chemical plant How many barrels of crude does Northwest Nigeria produce. Omotosho and Olorunsogo were two power plants inaugurated by OBJ. Why did they not produce one single watt of power Till the gas pipelines were installed Where is the gas for those power plants coming from The sad reality in this country, is the ability of some to create make believe scenarios. Those days are gone.

If Ondo state will produce the needed 400,00 barrels of crude oil for Dangote , the man can build as many refineries as he wants in Ondo. But, if he intends to pipeline oil from another place to his refinery other than importing the crude oil from the international market. His plant will go the same way as Olokola LNG. The days of wealth transfer from the SS to other zones are gone for good.You don't have to agree with me, but after the Lagos saga, every man should build his backyard with their own resources.

Also, the injustice of 2003 by OBJ is still in court. The oil wells in Ondo today, will be returned to the rightful owners. That is my State of delta.

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Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by agbameta: 3:49pm On Aug 24, 2013
atlwireles:

Have you been to the kaduna petrol chemical plant How many barrels of crude does Northwest Nigeria produce. Omotosho and Olorunsogo were two power plants inaugurated by OBJ. Why did they not produce one single watt of power Till the gas pipelines were installed Where is the gas for those power plants coming from The sad reality in this country, is the ability of some to create make believe scenarios. Those days are gone.

If Ondo state will produce the needed 400,00 barrels of crude oil for Dangote , the man can build as many refineries as he wants in Ondo. But, if he intends to pipeline oil from another place to his refinery other than importing the crude oil from the international market. His plant will go the same way as Olokola LNG. The days of wealth transfer from the SS to other zones are gone for good.You don't have to agree with me, but after the Lagos saga, every man should build his backyard with their own resources.

Also, the injustice of 2003 by OBJ is still in court. The oil wells in Ondo today, will be returned to the rightful owners. That is my State of delta.


All this wahala over what? Why are you troubling yourself based on nothing? There is oil in Ondo state and they are not talking about laying pipelines to transport nd gas to Ondo state so why are you getting agitated ?
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by vladimiros: 4:06pm On Aug 24, 2013
plaindealer:



1. ND is not the only oil producing region in Nigeria, Ondo state where the project was sited is an oil producing state too.

2. Chevron's oil activities is in Ondo state hence their involvement in the project in Ondo state.


3. ND is not the beginning and end of oil in Nigeria, oil id flowing in other regions too and it's about to start flowing in Lagos too.


4. Ondo and Ogon state are building the OK FTZ/Energy hub and a deep sea port to move LNG and other energy products all over the world in the same area.

5. Dangote is spending $8 billion on his Refinery in the same Olokola FTZ

6. Covenant Ground Refinery is building another refinery in the same Olokola (OKFTZ) in Ondo State too.

The FG and the rest of the shortsighted clowns in Abuja can sabotage and play their usual bad bele game, but their failed LNG project is not the only game in town. It's still full steam ahead for Olokola (OKFTZ).

This is going to be the new Energy Capital of Sub Africa and next in line is the Badagry Energy city...



Thank and like me for this wonderful education...




if you think SW is going to replace ND as Niaja main energy Hub

then some of you south westerners have smoked enough of ur utopia..

yes the SW is good, but are you comparing resources in SW to the whole ND?

Please, get a grip and smell reality
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by plaindealer: 4:19pm On Aug 24, 2013
vladimiros:

if you think SW is going to replace ND as Niaja main energy Hub

then some of you south westerners have smoked enough of ur utopia..

yes the SW is good, but are you comparing resources in SW to the whole ND?

Please, get a grip and smell reality



Obviously, you don't know the meaning of energy hub or any kind of hub. Find out the meaning and get back at me.
Re: Chevron, Shell Pull Out Of Olokola LNG Project by davide470(m): 4:28pm On Aug 24, 2013
Well, Shale Gas or not..the market for Gas is still active and progressing
N.B: some firms i know in the US still prefer naija gas than their *discovered* shale gas.
Asian market consumes gas like we consume garri over here. Look @ Japan, since they shut-down some of their nuclear reactors, gas has been one of their main stays, if not the major.

So, Olokola, Brass or not, NLNG is still functional and Train 7 is even about to come on stream!

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