SirJohn:

Have you watched the video clip of your testimony? how do you know it was aired? where was it aired?

I have not watched it personally but one morning while I was at work, Pr. Theo, CE Pastor assigned to Kenya called me about it. He wanted me to watch as it was being aired.

Kenyan28:

I have not watched it personally but one morning while I was at work, Pr. Theo, CE Pastor assigned to Kenya called me about it. He wanted me to watch as it was being aired.

Tell us @Kenyan28, how are you doing now since you found out about the sham called 'the Healing School'?, how is your daughter? how have you been faring?

SirJohn:

Tell us @Kenyan28, how are you doing now since you found out about the sham called 'the Healing School'?, how is your daughter? how have you been faring?

Whaat! I almost died 3 weeks ago when my CD4 cells count went up to 375, was attacked by herpes zoster rash, I was in a lot of pain. I gave up and was introduced to ART but couldn't stand the side effects, the bloating, nausea, fatigue, vomiting, head ache etc.I dropped the ARVs on the forth day. I decided to go back to my herbs. I have taken my herbs for a week now and I can say I am better.
My baby was started on ARVs at the age of 7 months + herbs. She is now virus free like I said earlier.

To add on to this, my 4 cancer patients that we met at the healing school are all long dead.

Thank you for your time @Kenyan28, your answers were quite revealing

@Kenyan28, I have a few questions too pls, if you do not mind answering them.

When SirJohn asked you, at the beginning of this interview, today, whether you were negative before going to the healings school, you said "kinda symptom free" Please what do you mean by this statement: "kinda..."

2. Where you referred to the hospital for the test before Pastor Chris prayed for you by the CE people (where you first confirmed your negative result) and after the prayer and "healing", did you return to the same hospital to confirm?

3. Lastly for now, you said Pastor Chris did not pray for you but you only received your healing by faith in the earlier posts years back; why now do you say he prayed for you?

Forgive the many questions, its all for the sake of clarity.

Thanks.

Is it not revealing from these accounts that top workers in Christembassy are party to all these fraudulent activities? And all these arrangements are properly doctored under the supervision of the miracle superstar

I know certainly that some of those top Pastors (partners with Rev Oyakhilome )at the healing school will have a rethink someday and renounce those things even at the expense of threats to their lives.

Kenyan28:

2 days to my interview date I got a text that I was required to have a medical report that said I was positive.I requested my host, who was working at the HealingSchool to take me to a VCT center for the test. I went, did a test that showed "negative". I can bet this is where my "negative" results were baked.

Kenya 28 accounts bears much semblance to the activities at the prayer line of one other joint in Lagos.
The drama of workers putting microphone at people's mouth dictating to them to say things like man of God help me, I am healed. After which, they go for test either at the Church's side lab or anyother clinic assigned by the Church.

Now, two group of victims are made: the faithful and faithless
The faithful will see any attempt to verify any negative results issued by the Church's designated clinics through a re-run at an independent clinic as an act of doubt in the Jesus of the manof god. These group often come down with very severe complications and by the time they are back at the hospital wards, what remains for them is only palliative. These buy the idea that any attempt to verify the healing is an act of faithlessness which could result in losing the miracle acquired.

The second group, the faithless in the eyes of the miracle superstars, are those who after the negative results will want to carry out series of objective tests which in most cases returns positive. And they quickly resort to their medications and personal prayers. They OUTLIVE the first category of victims. In the event that verifiable results confirm them negative, they are not afraid to do regular-interval tests

It woud be very interesting to know how the likes of joagbage will respond to kenyan28 now that she has retracted her earlier claim of being miraculously healed of HIV.

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WinsomeX: @Kenyan28, I have a few questions too pls, if you do not mind answering them.

When SirJohn asked you, at the beginning of this interview, today, whether you were negative before going to the healings school, you said "kinda symptom free" Please what do you mean by this statement: "kinda..."

2. Where you referred to the hospital for the test before Pastor Chris prayed for you by the CE people (where you first confirmed your negative result) and after the prayer and "healing", did you return to the same hospital to confirm?

3. Lastly for now, you said Pastor Chris did not pray for you but you only received your healing by faith in the earlier posts years back; why now do you say he prayed for you?

Forgive the many questions, its all for the sake of clarity.

Thanks.

I wish to respond to your many questions.
1."Kinda" When I said I was kinda symptom free, I meant that I didnt have any visible symptoms of an HIV infected person. Rem I said I have been on herbs on and off. In Kenya we have herbs that raise the CD4 count and reduce the viral load to the level of undetectable. This time at undetectable, one is symptom free.
2.I was referred to the hospital that I did my test but was literally taken there by a woman/my host who was a volunteer at the HS. She was working for the HS and was close to the staff there. This test was done in readiness for my 1st interview at the healing school. Rem like I said, I did not have a medical report that said I was positive coz I did not want to carry it with me as I traveled for obvious reasons.2 weeks later, Pr Chris Ministered to me, I didnt go back for any other test until more than 2 years later when my baby was discovered to have HIV-right?

3. There was no healing at all. I suspect the kit was faulty. I remember the nurses insisting that I should go for another test after 2 months which I never did.(regrets) On my interview date, and irregardless of the -ve result that I had, I was instructed to say I was still +ve for recording purposes. I was hesitant but was convinced to. Rem this was my 8th day at the healing school. 2 weeks later, I was in the list of the healing line. Pastor Chris Ministered to me, ...oh my the "falling down" was acted, nothing moved me to fall, I just fell coz the rest did. I was very careful on where to land though, lest I hurt myself! lol

Just to add on to these, my 2 friends heard my testimony that took them to the same healing school and NONE OF THEM ever turned negative at any given day. They are still very positive and struggling with the condition. Like I said earlier, the 4 cancer friends/patients that I met there, took their contacts and communicated later, are all dead. May their souls RIP

dorox: It woud be very interesting to know how the likes of joagbage will respond to kenyan28 now that she has retracted her earlier claim of being miraculously healed of HIV.

I wasn't healed, but fooled.

Thank you Kenysn28, I have no further questions.

Is it possible for you to provide us with the name of that herbal drugs you've been using that seems to be very effective in reducing your viral load? Pls provide us the name, manufacturers and the means with which Nigerians living with HIV could purchase it for themselves. That should be the positive result of this thread, outside the fact that CE HS is fraud.

Thank you very much.

WinsomeX: Thank you Kenysn28, I have no further questions.

Is it possible for you to provide us with the name of that herbal drugs you've been using that seems to be very effective in reducing your viral load? Pls provide us the name, manufacturers and the means with which Nigerians living with HIV could purchase it for themselves. That should be the positive result of this thread, outside the fact that CE HS is fraud.

Thank you very much.

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WinsomeX: Thank you Kenysn28, I have no further questions.

Is it possible for you to provide us with the name of that herbal drugs you've been using that seems to be very effective in reducing your viral load? Pls provide us the name, manufacturers and the means with which Nigerians living with HIV could purchase it for themselves. That should be the positive result of this thread, outside the fact that CE HS is fraud.

Thank you very much.

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ladyife: another lie again una no dey tire.

What do you make of kenyan28 account of the Healing School and how it closely matches the account given by sirjohn?

Hmmmmmm........na GOD know sha

Joagbaje:
Watch how HIV got healed in a Christ embassy church: https://www.dropbox.com/l/zm7qzQm89ZWxuyrDrva8kp

The acting was poor and the story line was laughable, I just wonder why those in attendance were so easy to be deceived.

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dorox:
The acting was poor and the story line was laughable, I just wonder why those in attendance were so easy to be deceived.

Really. Did you see how the guy looked emanciated and sickly before the prayer. How was that acted? He lost his Fiancee because of his HIV status . Don't be stubborn . Healing is before you. Watch it again with open mind. https://www.dropbox.com/l/zm7qzQm89ZWxuyrDrva8kp

dorox: It woud be very interesting to know how the likes of joagbage will respond to kenyan28 now that she has retracted her earlier claim of being miraculously healed of HIV.

Just a touch will heal her. I have 4 cases of HIV healed at least that I know. There could be more who never came to testify

In addition . I have a case of ebola healed in Arusha town ,Tanzania. . If I lie about theses things the curse of God will be on me. God doesn't need a lie. If you don't believe in miracles today. You will believe when you need one someday

Joagbaje: In addition . I have a case of ebola healed in Arusha town ,Tanzania. . If I lie about theses things the curse of God will be on me. God doesn't need a lie. If you don't believe in miracles today. You will believe when you need one someday

How are we sure you are not an atheist? With the way use God's name to swindle people, you obviously have no regard for God talkless of believing in him.

Joagbaje: In addition . I have a case of ebola healed in Arusha town ,Tanzania. . If I lie about theses things the curse of God will be on me. God doesn't need a lie. If you don't believe in miracles today. You will believe when you need one someday

Come on Joagbaje just because we try to expose some of the trickery and charlatanism perpetrated in the healing school and by some self acclaimed faith healers does not make us non believers in miracles.
I believe in the sovereignty of God and his ability to do what he wills. If I need a miracle someday, you can bet I won't be looking for you or Chris nor any other man.

Now to your claims of healing HIV, I make bold to say that your videos are nothing but another theatrical display and proves absolutely nothing. You keep talking about how emaciated the guy looked; so? What does that prove?
I wish I could put the guy on a hot sit and ask him some questions myself, probably one on one; I'm sure like all other cases, the whole story will fall apart.
If that guy will be honest, I don't mind putting him on the hot sit

SirJohn:

Now to your claims of healing HIV, I make bold to say that your videos are nothing but another theatrical display and proves absolutely nothing. You keep talking about how emaciated the guy looked; so? What does that prove?

I'm amazed at you. So what made him look sickly . Will 4 medical report lie? Your mind is already closed to truth . I'm not trying to convince you. The man who got healed of ebola only watched my crusade and believed . It saved his life.

I wish I could put the guy on a hot sit and ask him some questions myself, probably one on one; I'm sure like all other cases, the whole story will fall apart.
If that guy will be honest, I don't mind putting him on the hot sit

Ive been waiting for someone who will do that. So I would have really loved you to put him on your so called hot seat. I bet you,the seat will not be hot at all . My only concern is your sincerity . We've been here before . I gave you a contact of a lady who got healed of blindness. And you said she wasn't blind just because hospital didn't give her diagnosis.

Well if you're really interested and sincere His is JEFF Niboro by name is he works at the international airport in ph.

Joagbaje:

We've been here before . I gave you a contact of a lady who got healed of blindness. And you said she wasn't blind just because hospital didn't give her diagnosis.

Mr Joagbaje there you go with your lies again. Our engagement is still here on NL for all to reference. I never said she wasn't blind because she didn't have a medical report. She told me herself that she was never blind but started having peppery sensation in both eyes after an altercation with a neighbour. You simply did what your master does which is garnish cases and form stories of healing based on false representation.
I also called the lady's brother and he couldn't also say emphatically that her sister was blind. By the time I called her again after giving you feedback from our conversation, she became hostile and wouldn't talk again nor pick my calls (very typical of someone trying to evade being caught)
That was what happened and you know its the truth; its not too late to still verify; I'm sure the lady is still alive.

SirJohn:

Mr Joagbaje there you go with your lies again. Our engagement is still here on NL for all to reference. I never said she wasn't blind because she didn't have a medical report. She told me herself that she was never blind but started having peppery sensation in both eyes after an altercation with a neighbour. You simply did what your master does which is garnish cases and form stories of healing based on false representation.
I also called the lady's brother and he couldn't also say emphatically that her sister was blind. By the time I called her again after giving you feedback from our conversation, she became hostile and wouldn't talk again nor pick my calls (very typical of someone trying to evade being caught)
That was what happened and you know its the truth; its not too late to still verify; I'm sure the lady is still alive.

You're just an insincere liar john. She never told you that. And she can't say that. She was blind for weeks. She quarreled with a person and they attacker her spiritually . From the bathroom she couldn't open her eyes for weeks . After I prayed for her ,her eyes opened but she still couldn't see. Then she said to herself "I CAN SEE" and sight was restored . I had it all on tape that's about 9 -10 years ago.

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