atlwireles:


Why not name the government responsible for the major setback. Yes, tell people Buhari was responsible, with his import license /currency restriction policies. That was the beginning of our manufacturing malaise. 18 months of his closed border and one man show, caused so much damaged it took almost 30 years to fix

Obiagelli:

Closed borders affected manufacturing? Interesting. I thought gej's policy is to reduce importation? Please lets stay on the topic

Obiagelli:


Thanks for your insights naptu2, but my question is how does this policy ensure we aint going the VON way? These policy gives almost zero import duty to assembly plants/companies (except i am wrong), how will this encourage them to buy locally?
How do we ensure technology transfer?

Is not enough to say they will employ nigerians, many Nigerians have lost their jobs to these policy already. There are many unanswered questions.

atlwireles:


Why not name the government responsible for the major setback. Yes, tell people Buhari was responsible, with his import license /currency restriction policies. That was the beginning of our manufacturing malaise. 18 months of his closed border and one man show, caused so much damaged it took almost 30 years to fix

naptu2:


How could it have been solely Buhari's government, which was in power for only 20 months, that was responsible for the setback? Was it Buhari that gave contracts to[b] Coscharis to import BMWs for the All Africa Games 2003, rather than PAN?[/b] Was it Buhari that imported Volvos for the 1973 All Africa Games? Was it Buhari that instituted SAP? Get real.

naptu2:


True, that's why I mentioned that the 1970s/80s policy failed because it wasn't followed through. Certain things are needed to make it succeed.

1) Demand: The military government decreed in the 1970s that government ministries, departments and agencies should only purchase made in Nigeria cars, but successive governments did not comply with this law. PAN was furious when the Federal Government entered into an agreement with Coscharis to import BMW cars for the All Africa Games. In fact, the first set of people that usually violate this policy are usually top government functionaries, so I'd like to see the President, Vice President, Senate President, etc use made in Nigeria cars as their official cars.

2) A local content policy will definitely be necessary at some point. There were many local companies that supplied parts to PAN, these and similar companies would need to be encouraged the same way that the auto companies were encouraged.

3) Infrastructure: This is key. People often talk about power when they talk about the auto policy, but it's not just about power. Would companies like PAN be forced to move their cars across country on articulated trucks? This is where the rehabilitation of the railways comes in. I would also like to see rail links to other West African countries (particularly the landlocked countries), so that it would be easier to export.

4) And most importantly, we need to train our manpower to take up the opportunities that would be created by this policy.

naptu2:


How could it have been solely Buhari's government, which was in power for only 20 months, that was responsible for the setback? Was it Buhari that gave contracts to Coscharis to import BMWs for the All Africa Games 2003, rather than PAN? Was it Buhari that imported Volvos for the 1973 All Africa Games? Was it Buhari that instituted SAP? Get real.

atlwireles:


You are better off, sticking with what you know. When, I need to talk about fashion, I will ask your opinion.

Obiagelli:

The difference between me and you is i ask questions, i use my brain whether i like the policy or not.

atlwireles:


Good for you.

Obiagelli:

I would expect that you point out my error.

atlwireles:


How many assembly plants were in Nigeria in 1973? I don't know myself, any help will be appreciated.

By 2003, please truthfully tell us the, the physical and technical situation of PAN. Was Pan even doing any assemble or just importing cars, that were resold?

naptu2:

In 2003 PAN was still making Peugeot 504. They only stopped in 2005 (you can research it. It was the last plant to stop making Peugeot 504s).

Ngwakwe:


I actually don't know from which stand point you based your objections

1. Foreign Reserve

2. Employment creation

3. Technology transfer

4. Industrialisation

5. Community Development

6. The intended credit scheme (buy and pay in ten years with your banks arrangements)

7. Economic bargain.

Etc

Bear in mind that most Auto Industries do provide or are capable of generating their electric powers using turbines and moreover, most big multinational companies in Southern Nigeria run on Natural Gas with 70 to 90% supply efficiency from Shell and other suppliers.

Ngwakwe:



What is the effect of Bakassi dispute on Peugeot with regards to Nigeria foreign policy?

naptu2:


Bedford started production in 1959. The Federal Government started negotiations for the establishment of more automobile plants in 1969 and Peugeot (PAN) started in 1971. VON started around the same time.

In 2003 PAN was still making Peugeot 504. They only stopped in 2005 (you can research it. It was the last plant to stop making Peugeot 504s).

atlwireles:


Surprised PAN was operation in 2003. Nobody was buying 504s in 2003, at least not that I know.

Thanks for the Bedford research.

Obiagelli:


Ngwakwe i am not talking wishful thinking here, please read naptu2's post on PAN and VON, which direction is this policy taking us? How comprehensive is it.

I raised questions on how this policy ensures that these companies at some point buy parts locally.

atlwireles:


Surprised PAN was operation in 2003. Nobody was buying 504s in 2003, at least not that I know.

Thanks for the Bedford research.

Ngwakwe:



Even without buying parts locally the policy is great and commendable hence no need of diverting to secondary stage at the moment.

Local sourcing is dependent on Nigeria as a country in terms of availability/quality of the said resources and government's guidelines and not solely (or necessarily) on the foreign auto industries.

Remember your argument was on protection of Indigenous Auto manufacturers.

atlwireles:

Surprised PAN was operation in 2003. Nobody was buying 504s in 2003, at least not that I know.
Thanks for the Bedford research.

Ngwakwe:

Ask him to give us the sections/ departments that were fully operational and not just that an inconsequential department still exist at the time.
By his logic, may be Michelin is still operational in Nigeria.

naptu2:

4) And most importantly, we need to train our manpower to take up the opportunities that would be created by this policy.

anonimi:


Many thanks for your well researched inputs on this thread as usual.
I hope our youths realise that the above will not be with university degress mainly. Most of the jobs will require TECHNICAL and VOCATIONAL schools training and real hands-on skills.