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Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by gabicon: 4:10pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Have you ever heard of melchizedek? I will suggest you read hebrews 7 Abraham never paid tithe... [/quote] |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by gabicon: 4:12pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
MadCow1: Have you ever heard of melchizedek? I will suggest you read hebrews 7 |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Trafficjam11: 4:13pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
nannymcphee: Thank you. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by clevvermind(m): 4:18pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
nnwajiaku:thank u. this is what qiverbox should hv done. not beating about the bush. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by JUBILEE2000: 4:20pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Godside: |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by nora544: 4:20pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
First fruit is not for christians why we here in europa don't have it, we have n o tithing we have a small churchta what is between 1 and 2,5 % of your salary from one year. No lutheran or chatolic or ortodox churches have this also in russia they didnot have this. Ask you why nigerian pastors are so rich why they have private jets, please show me a pastor from europa who has one, please son't look at america americans sell all and what to make profit with all. The pentecost/charismatic pastors they come from america and they learn it from them to enrich themself, I know from on man made God that he told his followers that who pay no first fruit is cursed his name starts with A.... So please read the bible, first fruits is not for real christians it is only for the money loving businessman who collect this in the name of God only to build their empire here on earth. Pastors who preach the heresy prosperity gospel are no real christians. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by PastorKun(m): 4:25pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
bolliejay: Was this addressed to the children of Israel who were under Jewish laws or to christians who are under grace? Also was the first fruit in question money or agricultural produce? If it wasn't money in the bible, do you realise it's a sin to add to, subtract from or twist the. Word of God by by changing agric products to money for what ever reason? 1 Like |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by PastorKun(m): 4:27pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
doug: Quote one single scripture directing new testament christians to pay first fruits or even the more popular scam called tithes. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by JUBILEE2000: 4:27pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
bolliejay: There were people of other professions then such as carpenters, bricklayers n tent makers. If money was required, the bible would have mentioned it. The bible was special on what was required...produce 5 Likes |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by samuelezekiel(m): 4:30pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Is thou shall not kill not from the law of moses? silly question, u better pay ur first fruit, but to be since its not easy...but if u do y will see the reward |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by chokovirus: 4:32pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Tithes is a biblical command. If you like allow ur stinginess to deprive you of the blessings. Firstfruit is a free-will offering. You have to be led by the spirit.For instance, I don't pay firstfruit but I have many friends that do. And I must tell you that they have received instant unusual blessings for that act. Anyday the Spirit impresses that on my heart, I will definitely pay first-fruits. The children of Israel did not understand God's rationale for the Sabbath day until they spent 70 years in captivity. Always act with understanding and ask God for discernment like the Sons of Issachar rather than acting based on the opinions of men. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 4:34pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
The law and every ordinances (the tabernacle, tithe & first fruit inclusive) commanded are not the mind of God but a shadow of Christ & His finished works for the new covenant of which Christ is a Mediator. New International Version The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming--not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. Hebrews 10:1 So, first fruit? Christ already fulfilled the first fruit as a foreshadow. He had given the perfect first fruit offering unto God for believers. This is 2015, those who want to allow themselves to be defrauded can continue and those who want continue in the liberty wherein Christ has made us free, we continue. King James Bible But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1 Corinthians 15:23 3 Likes |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by PastorKun(m): 4:35pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
samuelezekiel: The only reward you would get is starvation in the month of february, God does not require first fruit or tithes from believers so they attract NO rewards. 4 Likes |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by ShakurM(m): 4:37pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Dammyjohn:bless! Is it like tithe? |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by QuiverBox(f): 4:37pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
clevvermind: Keep waiting for a Verse. Ensure you give all your 12 month fruits to your pastor. Clevvermind |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Horlufemi(m): 4:41pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
darepoju: 1. talking about harvest 2. still talking about harvest. the first harvest in the land of Canaan 3. still taking about harvest I should become a pastor. People can be gullible. 3 Likes |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by nannymcphee(f): 4:41pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
samuelezekiel: Must u insult? For ur info, the reason a Christian should not kill or cheat or lie isn't because they are written in the ten commandment(in the first place they were not given to Christians, neither is it meant for a Christian to keep excerpt u're a Jew) A Christian shouldn't kill or cheat or steal because its against God will & purpose, its against what the spirit of God stands for The Christian ought to live according to that which is consistent with the spirit of God God said a new law will I write in their hearts(not ten commandment) & I'll put my spirit within them to cause them to do it 1 Like |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Nobody: 4:45pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
darepoju:Lets assume we drop our "FIRST FRUIT" is there Second fruit and third fruit and so on, i mean like every year as the MOG says? Already am so broke and i dunno how am going to cope for the rest of the Month, now if i now finally suffer my way out of this month, so you want me to now go and drop ALL the salary for one Pastor? How am i going to cope throughout the month of February again You guys just enjoy people living in penury |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by nannymcphee(f): 4:47pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Goshen360: Let me add this Galatians 3 23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our SCHOOLMASTER to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But AFTER that faith is come, we are NO longer UNDER a schoolmaster(which is the law) It's written in black & white, we are no longer under the LAW 3 Likes |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Nobody: 4:47pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Horlufemi:Exactly my thoughts and he never saw anything wrong in what he was saying! SMH |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Sweetmarriage: 4:51pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
clevvermind: Yes, give so you will be blessed. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by God2man(m): 4:52pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Normally, they won't mention the church , old recycled thread. God2man. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Dammyjohn(m): 4:54pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
ShakurM:It is totally different from tithe.Tithe is 10% of your monthly income which you receive month by month while firstfruit is the first of all in a year.In other words,tithe is 10% part of your monthly salary and firstfruit is first salary,gift,crop etc you get in one year and which you must do every year. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 5:00pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
nannymcphee: I have never seen a woman so sound in the word as you. Blessed art thou among this generation of women for YOU will birth Christ...in this context, you will reveal Christ & Him Crucified. |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by PastorKun(m): 5:00pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Dammyjohn: And the definitions you gave above, are they the biblical definitions of tithes and first fruits or the false man made definitions peddled by pulpit pimps in churches today? 1 Like |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 5:02pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
sexyseun: You cope by FAITH.....not by your sense..... |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by Goshen360(m): 5:03pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
God2man: You mean you don't know many churches preaching this first fruit scam? |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by JUBILEE2000: 5:10pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
flipboss: Jesus was talking to the Pharisees who were still under the law as at the time the statement was made 1 Like |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by fretnot(m): 5:11pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
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Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by santicruz: 5:11pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
First fruit means nothing but your first child. Jus take ur first issue n sacrifice 2 ur pastor |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by fretnot(m): 5:16pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Femi Aribisala: Read how Nigerian pastors will rob you in January by Femi AribisalaThe armed robber takes your money from you with a gun in his hand: the pastor takes your money by brandishing a bible.Jesus berated the mercenary religious leaders of biblical days. He told them: “‘It is written, my house shall be called a house of prayer,’ but you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’” (Matthew 21:13).This word remains pertinent to pastors in the churches of today. They come up with all kinds of schemes designed to squeeze money out of their church-members. They search the scriptures, looking for quotable quotes that can be used to make merchandise of men. Some of their favourites are those scriptures dealing with giving first-fruits to priests.Fleecing the flockThose months with names ending with “ember” in English are sometimes referred to as the “ember” months. These include September, October, November and December. Strictly-speaking, October does not fit this bill; otherwise it would have been called “Octoember.” Nevertheless, it is conventional also to include it as one of the “ember” months.In these months, there is a definite change of emphasis in the messages preached by pastors in many of today’s new generation churches. If you have been paying attention, you would have noticed this already. In the “ember” months, pastors start to talk repeatedly about the need to give “first-fruits;” laying down the foundation for a major robbery routinely planned for January.In the Old Testament, first-fruits were required to be given to priests. Ezekiel says: “The best of all the first-fruits and of all your special gifts will belong to the priests.” (Ezekiel 44:30). This scripture is seized on by today’s money-grubbing pastors who now insist that the “first-fruits” of all the members of their congregation must be handed over to them.This is disingenuous because, in the New Testament, there is actually no longer an exclusive priesthood. Instead, Jesus has made all believers: “kings and priests to our God.” (Revelation 5:10). But this fact is conveniently ignored by today’s first-fruits collectors.First-fruits were given to priests because they were not allowed to own landed-property in Israel. God said: “I am to be the only inheritance the priests have. You are to give them no possession in Israel; I will be their possession.” (Ezekiel 44:28-29).However, the pastors of today are men of means and property owners. In no way whatsoever do they fit the bill of a people without inheritance who only have God as their possession. Indeed, some of today’s mega-pastors are multi-millionaires who drive around with bodyguards in a cortege of Jeeps and even fly around in private jets.Fruits of moneyAs the word indicates, first-fruits were strictly-speaking agricultural produce. Moses says: “The first of the first-fruits of your land you shall bring into the house of the LORD your God.” (Exodus 23:19). This shows first-fruits were crops. Indeed, money was never regarded as first-fruit in the bible; neither was it ever paid as such.However, today’s pastors would not find it funny if you were to bring your first-fruits to them in bananas or pineapples. First-fruits are now only acceptable in cash or cheque. If you ask why, don’t be surprised if you are told that: “Money is the answer to everything.” (Ecclesiastes 10:19).Scripturally, first-fruits were only required from Jews living in Israel because God gave them their land. First-fruits were inapplicable to Israelites living in foreign lands. This also means first-fruits are inapplicable to today’s Christians who are mostly non-Israelis and do not live in Israel. Nevertheless, pastors hoodwink Christians by claiming there are special blessings attendant upon giving first-fruits to pastors anywhere.In biblical days, first-fruits were not required from those in non-agrarian trades, such as carpenters or fishermen because these professions were not tied to the land. However, today’s opportunist pastors collect first-fruits from anybody and everybody.It should be clear from the foregoing therefore that pastors who insist on collecting first-fruits in the churches of today are nothing but thieves and robbers. The armed robber takes your money from you with a gun in his hand: the pastor takes your money by brandishing a bible.BonanzaIt used to be the case that first-fruits were defined as a Christian’s first salary after leaving school and securing gainful employment. But some pastors quickly realised that this only gives them the right to a Christian’s salary once in a lifetime. Therefore, this soon became inadequate, leading to more ingenious and more financially lucrative biblical “revelations” about first-fruits.Many pastors now insist that since the January salary is the first in the year, it legally falls under the definition of first-fruits. Therefore, they now require that all church-goers hand over to them their entire January salaries in the name of first-fruits. This makes the first-fruits boon far more profitable than the tithe; which is just a tenth of the Christian’s salary. Moreover, the tithe is nominally given to “the church.” The “first-fruits” is a far more rewarding scam because the money is specifically addressed to the pastor.If this “godliness” is taught effectively, a pastor can make a bundle of money at the beginning of every year. Just do the maths. Imagine a situation where the pastor gets the January salary of every single member of his congregation. Depending on the size of his church, he can get in one bonanza enough money to last him a lifetime. Is it any wonder, therefore, that pastors are very zealous in preaching about first-fruits in the “ember” months?Many even refuse to be limited to their churches. Turn onto Christian television such as the Trinity Broadcasting Network in the “ember” months, and you are likely to find Paula White or Steve Munsey extolling the blessings of giving first-fruits. Of course, the first-fruits must be sent to them and to no one else.ComeuppanceIn one of Nigeria’s big churches with a large branch-network, the pastors were making a killing collecting first-fruits. But one of them used the money to put up a church building. This went a long way to endear him to his congregants. Other pastors who had nothing to show for the first-fruits they collected became concerned that the pastor would soon bring them into disrepute. So they decided to take “appropriate” action.They reported him to the General Overseer of the church. His transgression was that he put up an entire church building single-handedly. So doing, they claimed, he prevented others from getting blessed by not taking contributions from them. The General Overseer wondered where he got the money to erect the entire building by himself. So they told him the money came from the first-fruits he collected from his church-members.The General Overseer became even more curious. Just how much first-fruit were these pastors collecting? He was astonished to discover the sums involved. It was unacceptable that such lucrative business was taking place in his churches without due recognition for his position. Therefore, he fired a memo to all his parishes: henceforth, all first-fruits must be forwarded intact to headquarters.However, his memo backfired. Thereafter, his subordinate pastors noticeably lost all interest in collecting first-fruits. “Let everybody shout hallelujah.”“They are greedy dogs which never have enough. And they are pastors who cannot understand; they all look to their own way, every one for his own gain, from his own territory.” (Isaiah 56:11). 2 Likes |
Re: Should Christians Give First Fruit Offering? by teajay007: 5:17pm On Jan 04, 2015 |
Giving as specified in new testament has to be done cheerfully and not compulsorily.Do not be deceived by any man of God.Study the word of God yourself and understand what God is demanding from you at any particular point in time. |
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