Abuamam:


You are confused? It must be your 'holy' spirit that is possessing you. Cast it out.

Allah is the Almighty. He can swear by Himself; as Lord of the Easts and Wests; or He can swear by any thing of His creation that He wishes. He cannot be held to any account.

trash!!! Do you know the meaning of "swear"? Ok!! The verse went all the way and say "LORD OF THE EAST AND WEST " who is this Lord of the east that Allah swore to?

EzioAuditore:


I have been waiting for this ignorant twit to join the fray, took you long enough.

He is now quoting from the book of Jubilee; trying to pass it off as bible. Can you imagine how tricky these people are? True followers of Paul. And he will later come back to tell us that the bible was not added to. Here he is doing just that; I am sure that if he had the power to, he will add that book to the OT. Smh!

EzioAuditore:


I have been waiting for this ignorant twit to join the fray, took you long enough.

am here, so what do you want?

malvisguy212:
trash!!! Do you know the meaning of "swear"? Ok!! The verse went all the way and say "LORD OF THE EAST AND WEST " who is this Lord of the east that Allah swore to?

He swore by Himself, the Glorious Lord of East and West... and North and South and everywhere else... no matter how much the unbelievers hate it.

You know, I am really disappointed in you. You tried to add to the bible. Sinful, sinful.

What would your parishioners SAY?

truthman2012:


Na lie!

Why didn't he say ''I swear by my name''?

allahh is a confusionist and a manipulator.

My advice still stands...

Abuamam:

You are confused? It must be your 'holy' spirit that is possessing you. Cast it out.

malvisguy212:
Abraham father worship idols, but he repented because if he did not, Jacob wouldn't have pray to the God of his forefathers.

Poor Jacob was not told by the Lord (as Joshua was), that Terah was an idol worshipper. An honest error. We can't really blame him.

Of course, the whole verse might be interpolated, and 'not found in the oldest, least unreliable sources' as much of the bible seems to be.

Abuamam:


He swore by Himself, the Glorious Lord of East and West... and North and South and everywhere else... no matter how much the unbelievers hate it.

You know, I am really disappointed in you. You tried to add to the bible. Sinful, sinful.

And I swear by thy Lord, we will
surely gather together them and
the Satans: then will we set them on
their knees round Hell: S. 19:68
Rodwell
By the Lord then of the heaven and
of the earth, I swear that this is the
truth, even as ye speak yourselves.
S. 51:23 Rodwell
But nay! I swear by the Lord of the
Easts and the Wests that We are
certainly able S. 70:40
In all these verses we can see Allah
swearing by ANOTHER ENTITY, so
who is THE LORD that Allah sworn by
in these verses? Or is Allah taking a oath for himself?

malvisguy212:
And I swear by thy Lord, we will
surely gather together them and
the Satans: then will we set them on
their knees round Hell: S. 19:68
Rodwell
By the Lord then of the heaven and
of the earth, I swear that this is the
truth, even as ye speak yourselves.
S. 51:23 Rodwell
But nay! I swear by the Lord of the
Easts and the Wests that We are
certainly able S. 70:40
In all these verses we can see Allah
swearing by ANOTHER ENTITY, so
who is THE LORD that Allah sworn by
in these verses? Or is Allah taking a oath for himself?

Did Allah say it was 'another entity'? Or are you trying to add to our Quran the way you tried to add to your bible?

Here is another example...

Surah 4:65
"But no, by your Lord, they can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."

Abuamam:


Poor Jacob was not told by the Lord (as Joshua was), that Terah was an idol worshipper. An honest error. We can't really blame him.

Of course, the whole verse might be interpolated, and 'not found in the oldest, least unreliable sources' as much of the bible seems to be.

and the same God did not correct him if he was praying to other gods?

Abuamam:


Did Allah say it was 'another entity'? Or are you trying to add to our Quran the way you tried to add to your bible?

English dictionary defined swear as;
To make a solemn declaration,
invoking a deity or a sacred person or
thing, in confirmation of and witness to
the honesty or truth of such a
declaration.

Who did Allah invoked or called to bear witnesses to?

malvisguy212:
and the same God did not correct him if he was praying to other gods?

It was only one error. And like you said, he was in fear if his father. Solomon according to your bible, worshipped thousands; and the same God was not reported by your bible to have corrected him.

malvisguy212:
English dictionary defined swear as;
To make a solemn declaration,
invoking a deity or a sacred person or
thing, in confirmation of and witness to
the honesty or truth of such a
declaration.

Who did Allah invoked or called to bear witnesses to?

The Quran is Arabic. Find me the definition in ARABIC and we move on from there.

malvisguy212:
the truth is that Allah has already promise All muslims hell. When you die, hell is your destination, I do not say this, the quran and hadith say it.

Actually you dumb prick, its the other way round, but let me indulge you, bring forth your proof.

Abuamam:



He is now quoting from the book of Jubilee; trying to pass it off as bible. Can you imagine how tricky these people are? True followers of Paul. And he will later come back to tell us that the bible was not added to. Here he is doing just that; I am sure that if he had the power to, he will add that book to the OT. Smh!

Lmao! I'm working on a topic, they claim the Quran contradicts itself and we have a reason but in their book they can have 3 different versions of one same story, which obviously means someone is lying somewhere.

Abuamam:


The Quran is Arabic. Find me the definition in ARABIC and we move on from there.

if the Arabic meaning of swear is different from the English translations, you should have provide the evidence long ago, do your research and what ever evidence you find, let it be sealed in your heart. Thank you.

I gave you evidence that Jacob pray for the forefathers of Abraham but you still insist that terah worship idols, even if we are to agree with you just for argument sake, Abraham did not worship his father gods unlike muhammed who worship not only his father gods but his family gods which is Allah.it was the continuation of this worship in the cave that the demon disguise angel Gabriel visit him.

EzioAuditore:


Lmao! I'm working on a topic, they claim the Quran contradicts itself and we have a reason but in their book they can have 3 different versions of one same story, which obviously means someone is lying somewhere.

Naah. They call it 3 different inspirations to different people.

Come to think of it, it figures. If you have 3 different gods (in one, of course), and each one inspires a different person, you get 3 conflicting; but still inspired; verses. Eureka!

malvisguy212:
if the Arabic meaning of swear is different from the English translations, you should have provide the evidence long ago, do your research and what ever evidence you find, let it be sealed in your heart. Thank you.

I gave you evidence that Jacob pray for the forefathers of Abraham but you still insist that terah worship idols, even if we are to agree with you just for argument sake, Abraham did not worship his father gods unlike muhammed who worship not only his father gods but his family gods which is Allah.it was the continuation of this worship in the cave that the demon disguise angel Gabriel visit him.

No he did not. The prophet (saw) never worshipped idols. Allah HAS ALWAYS BEEN, still IS and forever WILL BE... the Almighty God. Ask your Arab counterparts.

Angel Gabriel is a DEMON? Next you will be telling me that the holy spirit is a fallen angel? SMH.

malvisguy212:
am here, so what do you want?

Entertainment.

Abuamam:


Naah. They call it 3 different inspirations to different people.

Come to think of it, it figures. If you have 3 different gods (in one, of course), and each one inspires a different person, you get 3 conflicting; but still inspired; verses. Eureka!

God be seen?
Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:

"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)

"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)

"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)
God CANNOT be seen:

"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)

"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)

"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)

E.G, what sort of madness is this

EzioAuditore:


Actually you dumb prick, its the other way round, but let me indulge you, bring forth your proof.

read here, the quran and hadith supported it plus Islamic translations.
http://bibleandquran.com/hell.htm

One thing is certain and undisputable: muslims are satanic. If they don't have access to kill their opponents, they will curse or abuse them.

I have listened to islamic clerics on cassettes and radio, most of their sermon statements are cursing and abusing others.

Muhammad on his dying bed cursed the Jews. He started and ended quranic revelations with curses:

Quran 111:1-5] The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish.

His wealth and gains will not exempt him.

He will be plunged in flaming Fire,

And his wife, the wood-carrier,

Will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre

Is this not enouh to show islam is from the Devil?

Quran is said to be words of allahh alone, then why should God be so bitter with a man and could do nothing to him other than curses? Why is he so powerless?

Go to Christian assemblies, no preacher can be found abusing or cursing people in the name of preaching. Never.

The bible says we shall know them by their fruits.

malvisguy212:
read here, the quran and hadith supported it plus Islamic translations.
http://bibleandquran.com/hell.htm

It seems stupidity is not limited to the christians on this forum, smh. That's what I'm talking about malvis! More, I'm really bored!

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truthman2012:
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EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

truthman2012:
One thing is certain and undisputable: muslims are satanic. If they don't have access to kill their opponents, they will curse or abuse them.

I have listened to islamic clerics on cassettes and radio, most of their sermon statements are cursing and abusing others.

Muhammad on his dying bed cursed the Jews. He started and ended quranic revelations with curses:

Quran 111:1-5] The power of Abu Lahab will perish, and he will perish.

His wealth and gains will not exempt him.

He will be plunged in flaming Fire,

And his wife, the wood-carrier,

Will have upon her neck a halter of palm-fibre

Is this not enouh to show islam is from the Devil?

Quran is said to be words of allahh alone, then why should God be so bitter with a man and could do nothing to him other than curses? Why is he so powerless?

Go to Christian assemblies, no preacher can be found abusing or cursing people in the name of preaching. Never.

The bible says we shall know them by their fruits.

Watch all posts by muslims, you will see the spirit of allahh in them.

EzioAuditore:


EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

War against enemy nations of Israel as they were surrounded by nations who wanted to eradicate their race.

Since you are looking for war, this forum is not meant for you, go and join ISIL.

truthman2012:


Watch all posts by muslims, you will see the spirit of allahh in them.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

truthman2012:


War against enemy nations of Israel as they were surrounded by nations who wanted to eradicate their race.

But I thought Muhammad can't be a prophet because he went to war with the Meccans that attacked him?

truthman2012:


War against enemy nations of Israel as they were surrounded by nations who wanted to eradicate their race.

Since you are looking for war, this forum is not meant for you, go and join ISIL.

But I'm not a Christian. You worship Kratos, the God of war. Lmao!

EzioAuditore:


But I thought Muhammad can't be a prophet because he went to war with the Meccans that attacked him?

Nobody attacked him, he attached them first, any one who refused to surrender to islam. He went to Yemen all the way from Mecca to attack them, kill their men and took their wives. When the the Yemen people attack him first.

He killed the Jews and the Christians, when did they attack him first?

EzioAuditore:


But I'm not a Christian. You worship Kratos, the God of war. Lmao!

Imagine! So it is the Christians you find in ISIL.

truthman2012:


Nobody attacked him, he attached them first, any one who refused to surrender to islam. He went to Yemen all the way from Mecca to attack them, kill their men and took their wives. When the the Yemen people attack him first.

Lol! You will forever remain a foool! But read this,

“ [The] Arabs will hear how we marched forth and of our mighty gathering, and they will stand in awe of us forever. ”
—Abu Jahl



313 vs 950 and the prophet still made this promise


Behold! Allah Promised Me that He would definitely help me. I'm taking an oath by Allah's Excellent Name, Here will be the grave of Abu Jahl, and here will lay Utba ibn Rabiah (Prophet mentioned 14 different unbeliever leaders' names and signed they graves before the battle). ”
—Muhammad - Sahih Muslim

They were all found in those exact places, is this not another miracle?