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Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Empiree: 5:12pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
truthman2012:I will take this as excuse for seeking sincere knowldge. Yes, Quran is complete. By secondary source, it means hadith is practical i:e deeds, sayings and silent approval a k a Sunnah of prophet Muhammad(Allah's blessings and peace shower upon him and his household). Just like Paul and others narrated stories about Jesus, what they 'saw' him did, said, practiced etc. Problem with your bible however is it's mixed up of God's word and others. That's why christians are unable to differentiate between God and Jesus, words of man from God's word and the whole thing got mixed up. Is like you spent 4 in yrs in college. At the end, you have to serve or go for project. SERVE AND PROJECT are practicals i:e your sunnah. You record your activities here and there in separate booklets apart from your text books. Same in Islam. Quran is revealation to the prophet ONLY. His followers(muslims) could not undersrand Quran directly unless by following the prophet. So he is example. That's why we have tafsir (explanation of Quran) recorded separately. Hope this helps. I just tried to make up this analogy. 1 Like |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by 9jaforlife: 6:39pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
truthman2012: Definitely, much more than the lies you've been fed
The bold part of your post above, Q53:18 sums it all. He (PBUH) did NOT see Allah 2 Likes |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Empiree: 8:12pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
9jaforlife:You dey mind him. I read his post and smh. He is a typical oniranu 2 Likes |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Ayomivic(m): 9:47pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Don't you understand what it mean to see someone face to face. Moses did not see the face of God .You too quoted the verse where God told Mose that no human would see his face and remain alive what Moses saw is not the face of God |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Ayomivic(m): 9:53pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:give us the verse where he sees God face to face. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Ayomivic(m): 9:57pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE: God speaks to Moses as one would speak to his frind. He only heard the voice he did not see his face. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Demmzy15(m): 9:59pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
truthman2012:Ode!!! Deactivate your account shap shap jor, this humiliation is too much!!! 2 Likes |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:43pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
Ayomivic: This is what face to face interaction between friends look like below. Does that indicate they do not see themselves? 3 Likes
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Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:49pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
Ayomivic: What do you think face to face interaction is? Pls read that here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face-to-face_interaction When a direct comparison of friend interaction comes in, how is it hard for you to see that face contact will always be involve in face to face discussion? Take a look at what face to face interaction is below 2 Likes
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Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by atoleybaba(m): 10:59pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:moses saw d glory of God |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:04pm On Jun 12, 2015 |
atoleybaba: Dumb. Did God glory speaks? Moses speak with God. God glory doesn't mouth to speak |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by truthman2012(m): 8:48am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Demmzy15: See your choice of words. Islam doesn't have morals. Abuses, killings etc are the trademark of the evil religion and that shows the true nature of your god (satan in disguise). May God deliver you from islamic/satanic deception. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Maamin(m): 9:00am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Stop cherry picking the bible...here is a verse that throws more light on Gen 32:22-32... Hosea 12:2-4 "2 The LORD hath also a controversy with Judah, and will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he recompense him. 3 He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: 4 Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us;" |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Jerryolumide(m): 9:15am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Moses didn't!!! Read your Bible wella, God only showed Moses his back not his face |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Jerryolumide(m): 9:16am On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Do you read Bible at all? |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Demmzy15(m): 12:19pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
truthman2012:So I can't be vulgar to you as a person, but you can come and abuse and curse my religion for free?! You must be sick, like I said earlier deactivate your account because you're nothing but a loser. You think this job of yours could do you any God?! It's better for you to leave so as your "sins" won't pile-up. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by truthman2012(m): 4:45pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Demmzy15: You are so desirous that I leave. Smh!!! My presence is intimidating you and your allahh. For wanting me to leave, I will not leave. I will keep pricking your heart with the truth. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Demmzy15(m): 4:49pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
truthman2012:OK o! *In Patience Jonathan's voice* Continue! 2 Likes |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Ayomivic(m): 6:28pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:if that was what you mean by face to face, Moses did not see the face of God. Wha he saw was the cloud coming down upon the tent and he heard God voice |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Medicis(m): 6:51pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:WOW!!!! You guys seem to know the Bible even more than us. Even God himself said in Exodus 33:20 But he said , ''you cannot see my face; for no man shall see me and live.'' This clearly shows that Moses did not see God in his GLORY in chapter 33:11. What the Bible simply means is that God has shown himself to people in different form but never in his GLORY(Exact form). I DARE YOU TO SHOW ME A PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE ANYBODY SAW GOD IN HIS GLORY. You can never discredit the Bible, it has been around before you were born and will still be around after you are long gone. I RELEASE YOU FROM SPIRITUAL CATARACT IN JESUS NAME!!!!! |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by atoleybaba(m): 7:07pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
FOLYKAZE:lame question.. He heard d voice of God while hiding in a cave and when he decided to look at God,he could only see God's glory...also I think this abstract will helpyou gotten from WWW.jw.org....o human has literally seen God. (Exodus 33:20; John 1: 18; 1 John 4:12 ) The Bible says that “God is a Spirit,” a form of life that is invisible to the human eye.— John 4:24; 1 Timothy 1:17 . God can be seen directly by angels, though, because they are spirit creatures. ( Matthew 18:10 ) Moreover, some humans who die will be raised to life in heaven with a spirit body and will then be able to see God.— Philippians 3:20, 21; 1 John 3:2 . How to “see” God now The Bible often uses the idea of seeing figuratively, to represent enlightenment. ( Isaiah 6:10; Jeremiah 5:21; John 9:39-41 ) In this sense, a person can see God now with “the eyes of [his] heart” by having faith so as to know Him and appreciate His qualities. (Ephesians 1:18 ) The Bible describes steps to build this kind of faith. Learn about God’s qualities, such as his love and generosity as well as his wisdom and power, through his creation . ( Romans 1:20 ) After being reminded of God’s creative works, the faithful man Job felt as though God were right before his eyes.— Job 42:5 . Get to know God by studying the Bible . “If you search for [God], he will let himself be found by you,” the Bible assures us.— 1 Chronicles 28:9; Psalm 119:2; John 17:3 . Learn about God through the life of Jesus. Since Jesus perfectly reflected the personality of his Father, Jehovah God, he could rightly say: “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father also.”— John 14:9 . Live in a way that pleases God , and see how he acts in your behalf. Jesus said: “Happy are the pure in heart, since they will see God.” As noted earlier, some who please God will be resurrected to heaven and will thus “see God” there.— Matthew 5:8; Psalm 11:7 . Did not Moses, Abraham, and others actually see God? In accounts where it might seem that the Bible says that humans literally saw God, the context shows that God was represented by an angel or appeared by means of a vision. Angels. In ancient times, God sent angels as his representatives to appear to humans and to speak in his name. (Psalm 103:20 ) For example, God once spoke to Moses from a burning bush, and the Bible says that “Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God.” (Exodus 3:4, 6 ) Moses did not literally see God, though, for the context shows that he actually saw “Jehovah’s angel.”— Exodus 3:2 . Similarly, when the Bible says that God “spoke to Moses face-to-face,” it means that God conversed with Moses intimately. ( Exodus 4:10, 11; 33:11 ) Moses did not actually see God’s face, for the information he received from God “was transmitted through angels.” ( Galatians 3:19; Acts 7: 53 ) Still, Moses’ faith in God was so strong that the Bible described him as “seeing the One who is invisible.”— Hebrews 11:27 . In the same way that he spoke to Moses, God communicated with Abraham through angels. Granted, a casual reading of the Bible might give the impression that Abraham literally saw God. ( Genesis 18:1, 33 ) However, the context shows that the “three men” who came to Abraham were actually angels sent by God. Abraham recognized them as God’s representatives and addressed them as if he were speaking directly to Jehovah.— Genesis 18:2, 3, 22, 32; 19:1 . Visions. God has also appeared to humans through visions, or scenes presented to a person’s mind. For instance, when the Bible says that Moses and other Israelites “saw the God of Israel,” they really “saw a vision of the true God.” (Exodus 24:9-11 ) Likewise, the Bible sometimes says that prophets “saw Jehovah.” (Isaiah 6:1; Daniel 7:9; Amos 9:1 ) In each case, the context shows that they were given a vision of God rather than a direct view of him.— Isaiah 1:1; Daniel 7:2; Amos 1:1 . 1 Like |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Empiree: 7:54pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Medicis:Dont you get it?. Look at underlined and compare with this verse Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: [size=15pt]"For I have seen God face to face, but my life was saved."[/size] So Bible contradicts itself. Get over it. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Rilwayne001: 8:06pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Medicis: You are still rambling after busting your lie abi ? |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Rilwayne001: 8:10pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Empiree: Don't mind that fellow. After his previous lie got bursted, he is now gasping at straw. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Rilwayne001: 8:16pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Jerryolumide: YEAH, here is what I read, Does God Tempts? "And it came to pass after these things, that God did TEMPT Abraham." (GEN 22:1) "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man." (JAS 1:13) |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Rilwayne001: 8:18pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Maamin: Finish this by quoting verse 5 |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Empiree: 9:49pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Exactly! like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MZWj9AfPOM 1 Like |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Medicis(m): 10:22pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
JACOB'S wrong in receiving his brother's blessing by fraud was again brought forcibly before him, and he was afraid that God would permit Esau to take his life. In his distress he prayed to God all night. An angel stood before Jacob, presenting his wrong before him in its true character. As the angel turns to leave him, Jacob lays hold of him, and will not let him go. He makes supplications with tears. He pleads that he has deeply repented of his sins and the wrongs against his brother, which had been the means of separating him from his father's house for twenty years. He ventures to plead the promises of God and the tokens of His favor to him from time to time in his absence from his father's house. All night Jacob wrestled with the angel, making supplication for a blessing. The angel seemed to be resisting his prayer, by continually calling his sins to his remembrance, at the same time endeavoring to break away from him. Jacob was determined to hold the angel, not by physical strength, but by the power of living faith. In his distress Jacob referred to the repentance of his soul, the deep humility he had felt for his wrongs. The angel regarded his prayer with seeming indifference, continually making efforts to release himself from the grasp of Jacob. He might have exercised his supernatural power and forced himself from Jacob's grasp, but he did not choose to do this. But when he saw that he prevailed not against Jacob, to convince him of his supernatural power, he touched his thigh, which was immediately out of joint. But Jacob would not give up his earnest efforts for bodily pain. His object was to obtain a blessing, and pain of body was not sufficient to divert his mind from his object. His determination was stronger in the last moments of the conflict than at the beginning. His faith grew more earnest and persevering until the very last, even till the breaking of the day. He would not let go his hold of the angel until he blessed him. "And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me." The angel then inquired, "What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed." Why can't some people just understand that even if Jacob said his life was spared, the Angel he wrestled was not in his full Glory because if sinful Man should see God in his fullness of glory(His exact form) sinful man would die. NO MAN HAS EVER SEEN GOD IN HIS FULLNESS OF GLORY!!!!! |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Nobody: 10:31pm On Jun 13, 2015 |
[size=17pt]NO one has seen God the father except Jesus Christ.... Moses saw the back of God... But technically Many saw God (Jesus) cos anyone who sees the son has seen the father because in colossians 2 it says it has pleased the deity to dwell in Christ in bodily form.... Praise Jesus Christ![/size] |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Esdb3: 6:41am On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: No one has ever seen him "face to face"! Only Moses saw his back parts! And what is your business! You are a muslim! All this what we have complained to Mr seun to simply do here what he did to islamic section. |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Maamin(m): 5:09pm On Jun 14, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Here is verse 5 "5 Even the LORD God of hosts; the LORD is his memorial." And your point is? |
Re: Has Anyone Seen God Face-to-face? by Nobody: 12:35am On Jun 15, 2015 |
lepasharon:hy atheist were have you been? |
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