Janosky:
quote author=peggywebbs post=80924236]Let me help you people with your history since you don't know. Every church has a beginning. Most pastors start with a calling from God but read the story you obviously were never told.
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History of the Jehovah’s Witnesses


Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Knorr chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lacked credentials as Bible translators, and the fifth studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, the New World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and the Word was a god” [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has “and the Word was God.”


NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that the materials
presented in this work are free of doctrinal or moral errors.
Bernadeane Carr, STL, Censor Librorum, August 10, 2004

IMPRIMATUR: In accord with 1983 CIC 827
permission to publish this work is hereby granted.
+Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004





More LIES and distortion.
1) The history of JWs predates Mr Russell.
Isaiah 43:10-12. Acts3:13. Mark1:14,15. John7:16. Romans1:1. Acts8:12. Heb12:1,2. Rev3:14

**2 John Wycliffe translated the first Bible in English ,yet he was NEVER knowledgeable in
Greek or Hebrew language.

JWs NEVER said the world would end in 1975.

3) Other variations of rendering, both in
translation or paraphrase, John 1:1c also
exist:

1808: "and the Word was a god" –
Thomas Belsham The New Testament, in
an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of
Archbishop Newcome ’s New Translation:
With a Corrected Text, London.
1822: "and the Word was a god" – The
New Testament in Greek and English (A.
Kneeland, 1822.)
1829: "and the Word was a god" – The
Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History
According to the Four Evangelists (J. S.
Thompson, 1829)
1863: "and the Word was a god" – A
Literal Translation of the New Testament
(Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of
Frederick Parker], 1863)

1864: "and a god was the Word" – The
Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson ,
New York and London (left hand column
interlinear reading)
1867: "and the Son was of God" – The
Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible
1879: "and the Word was a god" – Das
Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker,
1979)
1885: "and the Word was a god" –
Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible
( R. Young , 1885)
1911: "and [a] God was the word" – The
Coptic Version of the New Testament in
the Southern Dialect, by George William
Horner . [17]
1924: "the Logos was divine" – The Bible:
James Moffatt Translation , by James
Moffatt. [18]
1935: "and the Word was divine" – The
Bible: An American Translation , by John
M. P. Smith and Edgar J. Goodspeed ,
Chicago. [19]
1955: "so the Word was divine" – The
Authentic New Testament , by Hugh J.
Schonfield , Aberdeen. [20]
1956: "And the Word was as to His
essence absolute deity" – The Wuest
Expanded Translation [21]
1958: "and the Word was a god" – The
New Testament of Our Lord and Saviour
Jesus Anointed (J. L. Tomanec, 1958);

1975 "and a god (or, of a divine kind)
was the Word" – Das Evangelium nach
Johnnes , by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen,
Germany
1975: "and the Word was a god" – Das
Evangelium nach Johannes (S. Schulz,
1975);
1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos" –
Das Evangelium nach Johannes , by
Johannes Schneider, Berlin
1985: “So the Word was divine” - The
Original New Testament , by Hugh J.
Schonfield . [22]

rottennaija:


Do the GB rule over Jws? Do the elders rule over members of the congregation? Matthew 23:10-12

Is the watchtower politically neutral? Did they join the United Nation? Do they lobby Government? Do they condemn the killings that happen in Texas and Ohio that leaves 29 death? Do they condemn the boko haram killings happening? Do they condemn the persecution Christians are passing through in many countries? Matthew 26:52 Mt 5:44

Does the watchtower had shares in companies that produce high grade military equipments? Do they have shares in companies that produces cigarettes? Have they been having this shares for more than 20 years?

The pope is based in Italy with strong influence over the world. The seventh days advert is based in US with strong influence over the world just to name a few. It does seem Jesus is using them all. They are so many religious groups all over the world, but don't worry, each claims to be the only true religion.

I have observed catholic, Full life, Redeem, Advent, Christiandelphia etc, they all inculcate importance of God's kingdom in their members.Matthew 10:7

If Catholics, Redeem, Seventh days advent etc were not obeying the command to make disciples, how then do they grow in numbers so that they are numbered in millions? I have lived in my present place for more than 3 years, I saw Jws only on about 5 occasions, but I see other religious groups coming often to preach to me.
Matthew 28:19-20

Maximus69, try and get some sense. Read the scriptures below.

Maximus69:


Let her be!

She's seriously searching for a good believer to marry her but unfortunately the only place where she could find such faithful and loyal prospective husbands is amongst JWs.
And she's not comfortable that JWs don't accept her as a believer whom they can hook up with in the Lord!

So let her continue deceiving herself, if there's true faith in the place where she worships. They won't be arguing endlessly over how women should or shouldn't be treated, when JW wives are already perceiving the aroma of Paradise as we're coddling and pampering them like queens! 1Peter 3:7

Maximus69:


Jesus is the chosen King according what is recorded in the Bible as God's utterances!
Jesus prepared corulers who will rule with him in righteousness with mildness!
Of course the New heavens {Rulers according to God's righteous decrees} and the New earth {Obedient subjects of God's Kingdom} must understand the agenda and proceedings of Paradise! 2Peter 3:13, Revelations 21:1
So we have our own government Sir!
What we're disputing now is "NOBODY participates in God's righteous government under the Prince of Peace{Isaiah 9:6} and at the same time participating in Satan's unrighteous worldly government{ John 14:30, Luke 4:6, 1John 5:19" Luke 18:18-23

You've observed the Churches and discovered that they all inculcates importance of God's Kingdom in their members
Yet members of the same faith still carry guns and other harmful weapons to kill one another during racial conflicts and political differences!

All those Churches are also preaching and teaching thoroughly but only Jehovah's Witnesses are known globally for such activities. Even on social media throughout the earth, the one and only group synonymous to thorough preaching and teaching are JWs!

Check the Opera Mini now and see how many times people log in to talk, chat or argue about the one and only Mountain that all of them can SEE! Isaiah 2:1-4 compared to Matthew 5:14-16

My friend, your bitterness and hatred for the truth changes nothing! It's just revealing the intensity of the envy in your heart, as it's so obvious that this one and only group is enjoying divine acceptance globally that's all! Genesis 4: 3-7

They're the ones who have truthfully proved that all what Jesus taught his disciples back them about REAL unity amongst true worshipers is POSSIBLE! John 13:34-35, 17:20-26

peggywebbs:
First no need to mislead yourself.. no one argued that Russell did not establish JW, I wrote that, I never argued who wrote the first English bible, you obviously decided to derail yourself.

Well I have attached for your pleasure a copy of the Watchtower magazine of 1969 where your JW claimed that the world will be ending.

According to your acclaimed reliable source ,it states


“…six millenniums of mankind’s life on earth would end in the mid-seventies. Thus the seventh millennium from man’s creation by Jehovah God would begin within less than ten years…. In order for the Lord Jesus Christ to be ‘Lord even of the sabbath day,’ his thousand-year reign would have to be the seventh in a series of thousand-year periods or millenniums…. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind’s laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath.” —The Watchtower, October 15, 1969, pp. 622-623

rottennaija:


I think you are incoherent.

Janosky:


More LIES..
Your screenshot said Archbishop James Usher made that 1975 prediction.
For the info of NL Forum, JWs have no "Archbishop" whatever.

*2) **$$ With evidences presented, Do you now agree that this your claim is a LIE ?
" For example, to prove that
Jesus was only a creature, not God,
the New World Translation’s rendering
of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and
the Word was a god” [italics added].
Every other translation, Catholic and
Protestant—not to mention the Greek
original—has “and the Word was God.”
NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that
the materials
presented in this work are free of"

**3). "Your organisation does not recognise
women, they don't even let them talk so
what is your point?"
ANOTHER LIE from peggy bigot.
Deluded feminist pretending to be a Christian.
Shame on you.

Janosky:


More LIES..
Your screenshot said Archbishop James Usher made that 1975 prediction.
For the info of NL Forum, JWs have no "Archbishop" whatever.

*2) **$$ With evidences presented, Do you now agree that this your claim is a LIE ?
" For example, to prove that
Jesus was only a creature, not God,
the New World Translation’s rendering
of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and
the Word was a god” [italics added].
Every other translation, Catholic and
Protestant—not to mention the Greek
original—has “and the Word was God.”
NIHIL OBSTAT: I have concluded that
the materials
presented in this work are free of"

**3). "Your organisation does not recognise
women, they don't even let them talk so
what is your point?"
ANOTHER LIE from peggy bigot.
Deluded feminist pretending to be a Christian.
Shame on you.

peggywebbs:
And who said I'm not married? Because I mentioned JW can't marry from other churches? You're funny. I knew this because of a friend who wanted to marry a JW girl and her family and the church kicked against it.

I am not a kid and I have a very beautiful family so stop entertaining yourself. I am not arguing on this thread about the rights of women. I left that at the former thread and have made my point.

If you want to take me on this thread ,then be ready to deal with facts. JW is not a Christian organisation but instead it a complete mockery of Christianity.

You are the one that got me interested in researching JW. I am a lawyer and a researcher. I am always open to find truth, I have learned the ways of the Muslims and almost every other religion. I am also looking to study the Hindus. I do not argue based on bias for a religion and I will always stand for the truth.

peggywebbs:
Please what did you say here?
*2) **$$ With evidences presented, Do you now agree that this your claim is a LIE ?
" For example, to prove that
Jesus was only a creature, not God,
the New World Translation’s rendering
of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and
the Word was a god” [italics added].*
You say that Jesus is what? May God forgive you. The Jesus that I know is not a creature. You make a mockery of Christianity.
Repent and be saved.

peggywebbs:
Please what did you say here?

*2) With evidences presented, Do you now agree that this your claim is a LIE ?

(ii) "Every other translation, Catholic and
Protestant—not to mention the Greek
original—has “and the Word was God.”,


(iii) " The New World Translation was
produced because it buttresses
Witnesses’ beliefs through inaccurate
renderings. For example, to prove that
Jesus was only a creature, not God,
the New World Translation’s rendering
of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and
the Word was a god” [italics added[/b]].*

peggywebbs:
I tell you ,they lack understanding. The watchtower have brainwashed them and according to them they are already living in paradise.
They have no contribution or impact to the society they live in. How can you live in God's Kingdom and obey God's rules when they can not even obey the rules of the land that God has empowered men to rule over. They say where there is no law, there is chaos.
There is nothing anyone can say to them until they fall victim of the harsh reality the ex JW have experienced. Maximum69 and his fellow cultist will soon experience the harsh truth, I just pray it won't be too late by then.

Maximus69:


This girl won't stop amusing me Walahi Talahi!

The Jesus you know that has failed woefully to unite his followers under one umbrella as a body!
Well as for Jehovah's Witnesses, our own Jesus WAS CREATED{Proverbs 8:22} and he has transformed a little group of people into a Governing Body{Luke 12:32} over 8.5 million people from different nationalities across the globe, and guess what? All these people are now unitedly worshiping together as one happy global family peacefully! John 17:20-23

So let observers SEE the evidence that your Jesus is REAL{Matthew 5:14-16} because even though nobody is seeing the Jesus of JWs but his works{James 2:18-26} are evidence of his presence in our midst! Matthew 28:20

peggywebbs:
Please what did you say here?

*2) **$$ With evidences presented, Do you now agree that this your claim is a LIE ?
" For example, to prove that
Jesus was only a creature, not God,
the New World Translation’s rendering
of John 1:1 concludes this way: “and
the Word was a god” [italics added].*

You say that Jesus is what? May God forgive you. The Jesus that I know is not a creature. You make a mockery of Christianity.

Repent and be saved.

TATIME:


Certainly if Jesus is REAL, i suppose there should be evidence of his presence within his followers so that they'll be unitedly doing things the same way no matter where they may be, and there shouldn't be racism amongst them!

Janosky:


The Jesus you claim to know is NOT the real Jesus of the holy Bible.

Copy these 6 questions & give your pastorpreneur god of men.
But Answer my 6 questions ,no dull yourself.

**1) John10:34-36, who is Jesus Christ telling you he is?

2) Rev1:1,5,6, what revelation did Jesus in heaven give to John ?

*3) Who gave that revelation to Jesus in heaven?
4) Matt16:13-17, what revelation did Jesus Christ say was given to Simon Peter?

5) Rev3:2,5, how come your "Jesus almighty God" lives in heaven & calling another Superior Being "my God" & "my Father"?

6)The God of Abraham is the God of Jesus Christ. Proof Jesus Christ has a God. Acts3:13.
Peggy, who is the God of the Father of Jesus Christ?

rottennaija
but I see other religious groups coming often to preach to me.
Matthew 28:19-20

CAPTIVATOR:


Lol, those guys are funny

Rottennaija even claimed the below, I hope he can tell me what the preaching is all about.



What's this there preaching to you all about.

Accept Jesus and go to heaven. If you don't you go to hell . right ?

Maximus69:


No! You missed it, it's not just Hell alone because Fire must be attached to it

So their message goes like this :Yee must be born again otherwise you'll go to Hell fire!

rottennaija:


At least you finally admit they preach.

rottennaija:


At least you finally admit they preach.

Maximus69:


There's still so much for you to learn my friend, you never practiced personal Bible studies on your own as encouraged by the GB of JWs!

All you were trying to do in the organization is to find ways of doing things your own way without any objections, but the PERFECT man Jesus said he does nothing out of his own initiative except what his father asked him to do! John 8:28

Many like you and your friend in the video dearly wants to remain in the organization but that's impossible as they detests having the same line of thought {1Corinthians 1:10} that's why they're ever complaining instead of moving away to another religion of their taste! Note that the lady was highly excited that she wasn't dismissed and at the same time she's referring to this group as being CRUEL!

For your information there are two types of preaching!

¤Oral: Utterances made to convince others!
¤Practical: Putting up actions to motivate others!

All visible living intelligent creatures preach using either one or both style.

But the only thing that distinguish TRUE preachers of divine wisdom is result. Don't forget that preaching is aimed at changing someone's line of thought in other to conform to some ideas or suggestions.

If it's from the true God, the bond within adherents will become indomitably unbreakable in the face of destructive agents that easily subdue all other forms of union! {John 17:20-23}
Yet they'll be harmless as dove! Matthew 10:16
So if adherents are not threatened with harmful weapons what exactly binds them together? Well Paul answered @ Hebrews 4:12 that it's the power in the spiritual sword {God's word} This spiritual weapon binds even God himself because he will not go against his own principles {Genesis 18:25, Numbers 14:10-23} that's why all those having his spirit {likeness} in them always stick to this same principles even if it means dying because of it!

So your frustration becomes obvious as you and your folks really wish to maintain close relationship with adherents of this union{JWs} yet you don't want to be a part of it!

rottennaija:


Here you go again, muddling up the issue. At first, Jws are the only preaching, now you are talking about 2 types of preaching and the changes expected in people lives. Your points are useless, so you have to bring in results into it. But again, you cannot hammer on results as your religion really has no results to show for their preaching.

So, what does Maximus69 do? He ignored everything he has written up above, he doesn't ask of the result in the adherents of the preachers, he doesn't want to content what sort of preaching they do whether oral or practical. Heck, he does not want to know if the preaching done produces love among it's adherents. No! All those are useless because he has no solid grounds to hold on to.

So he has to insinuate that I really desire the things I left behind. That my frustration is so obvious as I want to maintain close association with the things I left behind.

Maximus69, if that was what I desired, I would simply turn a blind eye on their practices and force my conscience to go along with it. By now, I would have been an elder, preaching watchtower believes, I would be 'respected', holding high positions, 'spoken well of'.

But these were of no real value to me, as the apostle Paul said on the account of the excelling value of our Lord Jesus, all such power, influence, 'goodwill' were worthless to me if we were not preaching God's word, if we're hypocrites, if were bad ourselves.

So, as I had said before. You really don't know what you want. In fact, you have nothing on me.

Maximus69:


@bolded

Your lady in the video have spoken in volume Sir!

¤She has done something worth questioning.
¤She [b]willingly went to the elders not force.
¤Questioned and responded no threats with weapons.
¤She jubilates for not being dismissed from a cruel religion.
¤She's so grateful for your prayers that she's able to remain as a part of the cruel religion anyway.[/b]

Of course she's unlike me because she truthfully knew exactly what she want!

TATIME:


Walahi Talahi Maximus will not kill people on this thread with amusement!

Are you sure someone normal put up all that, and some sane individuals really took her words seriously?

Awon Oponu Olodo dede!

achorladey:


They are coming back to tell you they only SHOUT all over the place. Or they ONLY make NOISE.

Maximus69:


@bolded

Your lady in the video have spoken in volume Sir!

¤She has done something worth questioning.
¤She willingly went to the elders not force.
¤Questioned and responded no threats with weapons.
¤She jubilates for not being dismissed from a cruel religion.
¤She's so grateful for your prayers that she's able to remain as a part of the cruel religion anyway.

Of course she's unlike me because she truthfully knew exactly what she want!

rottennaija:


As usual, deny, deflect, mudsling, accuse, insinuate etc

Maximus69:


Please can you just mention one single exjw cruelly battered for living the organization?

Perhaps you're referring to Apostle John's admonition at 2John 10-11!

Or you're against that of Apostle Paul at Galatians 1:8!

Please you can query them for that, but as for us never mind because we're ever loyal to their so called cruel admonitions!

TATIME:


Why won't you just allow him entertained himself peacefully with other Apostates tori Olorun?

If this rottennaija guy catch you hen!

Maximus69:


Please can you just mention one single exjw cruelly battered for living the organization?

Perhaps you're referring to Apostle John's admonition at 2John 10-11!

Or you're against that of Apostle Paul at Galatians 1:8!

Please you can query them for that, but as for us never mind because we're ever loyal to their so called cruel admonitions!

Maximus69:


Do you realise how silly and funny you could be with some of your post at times?

Perhaps you think you're discussing with toddlers?

Well for your information, there's no threats in the case of 1 person who feels like not talking to you, whereas there still remains over 999 others that could easily become your friend!

The bone of contention could only be if this SINGLE person happens to be the one and only loyal friend you could ever think of. That's when it becomes a big threat to any intellectual!

Jehovah's Witnesses only numbers 8.5 million when there are almost 9 billion people on this planet, just almost ratio 1~1,000!

Do you truthfully know what you want?