Barristter07:


It says after he was MADE ALIVE , to make someone alive, he must have been dead. That's ressurection.

Those spirits are angels. Proving the point that he was indeed raised as a Spirit being. Only a Spirit being could preach to Angels.





" So Peter followed him out, but he was unaware that what the angel was doing was real. He thought he was only seeing a vision ." Act 12:9 Berean

Let it sink. Vision is not reality.

Your deliberate ignorance is appalling. For you to lie, you have to twist words.

I've consistently been using the phrase that you claim that
"Vision is NOT a Spiritual Reality" and you have been saying
"Vision is NOT a Reality"

Are these two phrases equivalent?.

If Vision is NOT a Spiritual Reality" , how come Balaam could have been killed by "what he saw in his vision"?


What you are saying is simply that the Revelation of John is MEANINGLESS! Is it?

Janosky:


False claims
Hogwash.
After all your somersaults on this thread

Hypnosis and Demonisation is similar. You have the conc symptom of both.

Janosky:

1)
Phillipians 3:20-21, Christ is in heaven when Paul wrote that.
1 Cor15:48-50,Bros, can human flesh/body exist in heaven?
Phillipians 3:20-21, Jesus will transform human bodies into spiritual bodies for heavenly citizenship

John 4:24. God is a spirit being. Hebrew9:24. Christ the life giving spirit in heaven will appear before his God in heaven..
Trinity fall yakata.. Yamutu Yakari


John 6:51& Hebrews10:10, is what happened to Christ fleshly body. Inspired utterance of Jesus and Paul .

2)
1 Cor15:40,44-45, glorified spiritual body of Christ the life giving spirit .
Shadeyinka problem is he mistakenly conclude that "Body" is strictly flesh/human.

1Cor15:40,44-45 first Adam human being/body.
2nd Adam, Jesus is a spiritual being/ body.

1 Cor15:40,44-45 is saying Shadeyinka "Receive Sense" you are wrong.

I am not disappointed with your deliberate tangent and evasive
responses

Phillipians 3:20-21
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body

You were blind to the word TRANSFORM
You were blind to the phrase OUR LOWLY BODIES
You were blind to the word HIS GLORIOUS BODY

I rest my case

MaxInDHouse:


Now i know what is confusing you about Christianity!

Before i was thinking you just wanted to harbour iniquity but i'm getting something different about the thoughts of most religionsists through our discussion. Listen and learn now!
The qualities of God's Holy Spirit must be complete in each person before we can be ushered into the new world but those qualities can't be cultivated within our lifespan of 70-80 years, that's why God promised to allow us go through a training session of 1,000 years. Note how Revelations 20:5 put it "the rest of the dead (those who are not part of the 144,000 who have been taken to heaven) did not come back to life until the 1,000 years were ended, this is the first resurrection" God's word is here saying all those who are not going to heaven still have to undergo training before they can qualify for everlasting life on earth. Unlike the Born Again who are going to heaven whoever failed to cultivate all the qualities of God's holy spirit within that 1,000 years can't survive the final test when Satan is released from the Abbys to test those who will live on earth {Revelations 20:7-8} so only the Born Again have escaped this final test because Satan can't gain access to heaven and that's where those ones will be living by then! Revelations 20:6

The FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit is surely what each of us need to qualify for everlasting life on planet earth but nobody can cultivate these qualities completely for now, we need more time to do so that's the import of the 1,000 years!
Otherwise everlasting life has nothing to do with time again!
For now what God is expecting of each individual on planet earth is humility and willingness to make amendments as we continue to learn what righteousness means! Zephaniah 2:2-3
So what are the criteria to qualify for this?
Each person must IDENTIFY the one and only TRUE Christian Organization God is using to direct obedient mankind, that's why Jesus keep emphasizing the need to IDENTIFY or RECOGNIZED the true Christians {Matthew 5:13-16; John 13:34-35, 14:26-28, 17:20-23} otherwise there's no need for identification if Christians are just good people in different religious groups who are able to meet up with the tenets!
Of what significance that would be?

It's the gathering of imperfect humans who are still struggling to cultivate the qualities yet as a group everyone can notice that LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL Galatians 5:22-23 keep permeating their midst despite being imperfect like everyone else!

Remember that before Apostle Paul enumerate the qualities of God's holy spirit he first of all listed the WORKS of the flesh, note his concluding statement "those who practice these things will not inherit the kingdom of God" Galatians 5:21b
Now try to go through all those works of the flesh as mentioned by Paul, diligently assimilate each of it and answer these two questions:-
Do you agree that there is nobody on planet earth that's totally free from these works of the flesh?
Can you say that you as a person has completely washed yourself from all those works?

Even Apostle Paul himself admitted that he keeps fighting vigorously to keep the works of the flesh that's affecting him away, and that God in his infinite mercy accepted him as he is! Romans 7:13-25

So as we can't master our flesh to put away completely the works of the flesh, the same thing goes to the qualities of God's holy spirit. That's why God in his underserved kindness (grace) will accept us into the 1,000 years reign of Christ so that when Satan who is misleading the entire inhabited earth is caged {Revelations 20:1-3} all of us who qualified to be present by then can learn how to cultivate fully all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit!

So for now you can never find a single person on earth (including all those who served God in the past) who has ever cultivated the FRUIT of God's holy spirit completely, but you can see an organization in which all those qualities is permeating their midst. Because God and Jesus are with them! Zechariah 8:23

You either remembered the last message you preached in your Kingdom hall or found online what you consider as a suitable message.

But keep your preachings as I didn't ask for one. The ones I did ask, you misrably ignored. Go practice your message elsewhere.

Signed out!

shadeyinka:

. The ones I did ask, you misrably ignored. Go practice your message elsewhere.

Signed out!

Abi

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Let me end this for you here

John 2:19-22:
"Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and will you raise it up in three days? But he spoke of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this to them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."


I rest my case. The scriptures cannot be broken!

shadeyinka:

Your deliberate ignorance is appalling. For you to lie, you have to twist words.

I've consistently been using the phrase that you claim that
"Vision is NOT a Spiritual Reality" and you have been saying
"Vision is NOT a Reality"

Are these two phrases equivalent?.

If Vision is NOT a Spiritual Reality" , how come Balaam could have been killed by "what he saw in his vision"?


What you are saying is simply that the Revelation of John is MEANINGLESS! Is it?

Spiritual reality no, spiritual Unrealistic ni .... .

My friend , find something better to talk about. U have no point

shadeyinka:

Let me end this for you here

John 2:19-22:
"Jesus answered and said to them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and will you raise it up in three days? But he spoke of the temple of his body. When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this to them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."


I rest my case. The scriptures cannot be broken!

I always pity you,the other quote u made has landed you in trouble ... Go and answer the transformation saga.

You do quote things you hardly understand , and when the logic turns against you... U took to your heels and jump to another verse.


Do you know this verse doesn't help your case.
Emphasis on " his body " the one he has when making the statement.

Question: The Body that died has blood, , is it that same body that was ressurected ??

shadeyinka:

I am not disappointed with your deliberate tangent and evasive
responses

Phillipians 3:20-21
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body

You were blind to the word TRANSFORM
You were blind to the phrase OUR LOWLY BODIES
You were blind to the word HIS GLORIOUS BODY

I rest my case

For something to be transformed, it means the former one was changed , Do you mean believers body will not rot away in the grave but be transformed ??


U don enter today .

Barristter07:



Christ body was transformed right ?


If so, that should be true for the believers as well. cos it says it will be changed as well which means the transformation theory is saying their bodies cannot corrupt or return to dust.

Now tell me how sensible the transformation theory sounds.


If Christ body wasn't transformed, you have to accept something happened to the former body.

This juncture, your fallacies will be exposed for the lies they are.

cc: shadeyinka .

shadeyinka:

You either remembered the last message you preached in your Kingdom hall or found online what you consider as a suitable message.

But keep your preachings as I didn't ask for one. The ones I did ask, you misrably ignored. Go practice your message elsewhere.

Signed out!

Nevertheless the foundation of the LORD standeth sure having this seal - The LORD knows them that are His...
Even before the OP created this thread, we are all as sure as death that the JW members will never UNLearn and RELearn since they have one Lord - the Watchtower Organization and what they are fed is what they dish.
You've given them straight-forward Scriptures, Jesus' own words, and what did they say - "Ohh Shade, you don't have the holy spirit working in you, (indirectly) Jesus was a clown, he was only using his words to confuse the wolf " ROFLMAO.
Gone are the days of "trying to prove a point", in this season, I go for Essence and essence Only!... Until they can prove that Christ never said those words you quoted, then there is no essence in discussing with a sect whose Lord is not Christ Jesus.

shadeyinka:

You either remembered the last message you preached in your Kingdom hall or found online what you consider as a suitable message.
But keep your preachings as I didn't ask for one. The ones I did ask, you misrably ignored. Go practice your message elsewhere.
Signed out!

I already told you from the start that when it's time for the deep things of God you'll be nowhere to be found"

Well that's what being a Christian entails my guy, it's not about being a perfect person who can cultivate all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit for now, but once you're humble enough to subject yourself under Christ's anointed brothers, you'll be helped to maintain the qualities you already had and cultivate the needed ones. Know that we must be Holy (pure as in unblemish) because Jehovah our God is Holy, but that's not possible for now, that's why he (God) is giving us 1,000 years to learn from Jesus Christ!

You'll have heard of reproof and disfellowshiping offenses amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, well it's not about perfection but repentant attitude, of course you're not perfect so you'll make mistakes but are you willing to accept discipline and make amendments?

That's the significance of God's organization you know today, in our midst you can't find any perfect person, you may try to find such elsewhere, but we are all humble and ready to make amendments. No wonder you all know of a unique GROUP today globally RECOGNIZED as
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

God bless you!

Blabbermouth:

Nevertheless the foundation of the LORD standeth sure having this seal - The LORD knows them that are His...
Even before the OP created this thread, we are all as sure as death that the JW members will never UNLearn and RELearn since they have one Lord - the Watchtower Organization and what they are fed is what they dish.
You've given them straight-forward Scriptures, Jesus' own words, and what did they say - "Ohh Shade, you don't have the holy spirit working in you, (indirectly) Jesus was a clown, he was only using his words to confuse the wolf " ROFLMAO.
Gone are the days of "trying to prove a point", in this season, I go for Essence and essence Only!... Until they can prove that Christ never said those words you quoted, then there is no essence in discussing with a sect whose Lord is not Christ Jesus.

I weep for them bro!
Their delusion is so strong that logic and reason doesn't work. Direct black and white of the scriptures doesn't work. It's like chatting up an unkept mad man in the market square who thinks he is the king of the market.

One can only pray for them as their delusion places their organizations position above Christ and His words while claiming they are Christ's.

That's why I honestly think theirs is a case of demonization with the spirit of error. Christ still sets free even now.

Shalom

MaxInDHouse:

Well that's what being a Christian entails my guy, it's not about being a perfect person who can cultivate all the qualities of God's Holy Spirit for now, but once you're humble enough to subject yourself under Christ's anointed brothers, you'll be helped to maintain the qualities you already had and cultivate the needed ones. Know that we must be Holy (pure as in unblemish) because Jehovah our God is Holy, but that's not possible for now, that's why he (God) is giving us 1,000 years to learn from Jesus Christ!

If this were the Big plan, humans will Fall over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
1. I thought the LOVE, JOY and PEACE you speak of was a trait that can be found in most of you individually, what's these I am hearing again?
What profit hath thee, that you love your own? Even the witches of a coven love their sisters likewise.

2. To a common JW, what is "Grace"?

You'll have heard of reproof and disfellowshiping offenses amongst Jehovah's Witnesses, well it's not about perfection but repentant attitude, of course you're not perfect so you'll make mistakes but are you willing to accept discipline and make amendments?

If I keep soiling your organization's image over and over (maybe because I am addicted), you will break fellowship with me! Not because I am unrepentant (an addicted Christian is always willing to stop but the flesh is weak), but for the fact that I keep shaming your org.

Sorry Mr Blabbermouth, Mama said it's enough with you!

Blabbermouth:

If this were the Big plan, humans will Fall over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
1. I thought the LOVE, JOY and PEACE you speak of was a trait that can be found in most of you individually, what's these I am hearing again?
What profit hath thee, that you love your own? Even the witches of a coven love their sisters likewise.

2. To a common JW, what is "Grace"?

If I keep soiling your organization's image over and over (maybe because I am addicted), you will break fellowship with me! Not because I am unrepentant (an addicted Christian is always willing to stop but the flesh is weak), but for the fact that I keep shaming your org.

MaxInDHouse:
Sorry Mr Blabbermouth, Mama said it's enough with you!

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
In what bible verse can I find this?

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

I also proceedeth forth and came from my Father. For I was in the loins of my father when he was copulating with my soon-to-be mother, then at the climax of pleasure, I proceedeth from my Father and ran a very crucial race with my brothers. "Stay here!"- I said, then I added " I will be back". Thus I conjoined with a valid egg (which will be my body) and became a living soul soon enough.
Am I my Father's incarnate? No!
Am I in my Father's image? Yes!
Genesis 5:3
"And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called him Seth."
Are we the same person? No!
Can I have a will different from my Father's? Yes!
Why? We are not the same person!
Decode that beloved, "exerchomai" does not prove trinity.

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth,
which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"
- John 15:26

There is an angel called - THE ANGEL OF THE LORD'S PRESENCE. What do you know of Him?

You can't run, you can't hide from "exerchomai," the Greek original word translated as "proceeded forth" lmso. Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, from the Father, acquired power to walk on water and hence defied the law of gravity, lmso. The Father, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit, all form or comprise the Godhead.

Hmmmm

It's OK Mr Blabbermouth, you need nothing from demonized persons, as you're well acquainted with the word.
So go out there, preach and teach what you know about Jesus of Nazareth!

Blabbermouth:

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
In what bible verse can I find this?

"Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine" Matt 7:6a

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK Mr Blabbermouth, you need nothing from demonized persons, as you're well acquainted with the word.
So go out there, preach and teach what you know about Jesus of Nazareth!

AkinwaleJJ:
"Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine" Matt 7:6a

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
The Lord knows them that are His; Let every man that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity (+ false and Antichrist doctrines)

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

Barristter07:


Do you read that Jesus have a body like the heavenly ones ?

So tell me if Yahweh and the angels posses flesh and bones.




You mean their bodies will be transformed like that of Christ was transformed ??

For transformation to occur, the former body cannot corrupt. So you mean the bodies of believers will not see corruption ??

To deny their transformation, would mean that of Christ wasn't transformed as well. And you will have to answer what happen to Christ's former body . The same accusation you gave the witnesses

What is your point? Are you saying that Christ body was not transformed? Are you agreeing with Jehovah Witness that God stole his body? Are you saying everyone will receive a transformed body.

Our bodies even if decayed will receive a new body.

Please ask sensible questions.

Janosky:


Romans6:4 , Ken4 himself have faulted his FALSE claim.
Bros, your Romans 6:4 quote confirmed Jesus did not raise himself.

Thomas touched Jesus Christ when Christ appear to them.
Bros, Glorified body dey get wounds and nail marks?

You go dey claim say you get Sense

They are not wounds but scars for the purpose of evidence otherwise those who saw him will have reasons to doubt.

Thanks sir, may God bless you!

Blabbermouth:

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha
The Lord knows them that are His; Let every man that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity (+ false and Antichrist doctrines)

Hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha

AkinwaleJJ:

Thanks sir, may God bless you!

Hmmmmmmmm, Maturity!
Ìyá Ajérìí!

His brother who kept quoting scriptures out of context is now totally confused so there's nothing else he could do than to run away when i'm quoting and interpreting scriptures that all his Pastors, Daddy GOs including their so called holy ghost can't explain!

He has learnt lessons why
©Satan will be caged in the Abbys.
©Christ's 1,000 years reign.
©Satan released for a short period.
©The rest of the dead did not come to life until the end of 1,000 years.

Ken4Christ:



What is your point? Are you saying that Christ body was not transformed? Are you agreeing with Jehovah Witness that God stole his body? Are you saying everyone will receive a transformed body.


Our bodies even if decayed will receive a new body.

Please ask sensible questions.

New body ? So the former body will rot.


You don't know the implication of what you just typed, here is the verse that will expose ya


Phillipians 3:20-21
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body "

When you transform , u are using an already existing body.


Implications

1. If Jesus body was transformed, it means believers body too will not rot, but be transformed like Jesus own.

2. If Jesus former body was disposed, and he got a new one, it means Believers will also get a new one.


The bolded part of your post suggest 2.


So the question is: since you don't agree with Jehovahs witnesses, tell me what happen to Christ former body ??

Jumping from a scripture to another that you can't explain won't help.
look for a Jw in your area for enlightenment

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shadeyinka:

Let me end this for you here

This is the closure!

Even if We once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way. (2 Corinthians 5:​16)

Just like Jesus disciples, and the early christains, Jehovah's witnesses no longer know Jesus to be in flesh after his resurrection having sacrificed. He's now a glorious spirit being like other spirit creatures in heaven


You can continue preaching your unscriptural doctrine of your fleshy Jesus in heaven!

Shalom!

haddeylium:

Jumping from a scripture to another that you can't explain won't help.
look for a Jw in your area for enlightenment.



This is the closure!
Even if We once knew Christ according to the flesh, we certainly no longer know him in that way. (2 Corinthians 5:​16)
Just like Jesus disciples, and the early christains, Jehovah's witnesses no longer know Jesus to be in flesh after his resurrection having sacrificed. He's now a glorious spirit being like other spirit creatures in heaven
You can continue preaching your unscriptural doctrine of your fleshy Jesus in heaven!
Shalom!

Exactly what all of them needed right now, since they can't come to terms on doctrines yet they're claiming followers of Christ whose true followers had the same line of thought! Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10; Galatians 1:8; Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2 compare to John 17:20-23

It's when they want to make their shameless and hypocritical alliance against JWs that they'll be consoling themselves over their empty headedness, just watch them on other threads and you'll see how they'll be arguing, insulting, abusing even cursing one another in the name of same Lord!
But Jehovah's Witnesses who are united in FAITH, having the same mind on sacred matters, devoted to the same God of an organized group where LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign, they're calling "demonized" Matthew 10:22-25
Wetin Musa no go see for gate?

Barristter07:


New body ? So the former body will rot.


You don't know the implication of what you just typed, here is the verse that will expose ya


Phillipians 3:20-21
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body "

When you transform , u are using an already existing body.


Implications

1. If Jesus body was transformed, it means believers body too will not rot, but be transformed like Jesus own.

2. If Jesus former body was disposed, and he got a new one, it means Believers will also get a new one.


The bolded part of your post suggest 2.


So the question is: since you don't agree with Jehovahs witnesses, tell me what happen to Christ former body ??

The body of Jesus didn't decay. It was transformed.

The body of believers that have died which has decayed will receive a brand new body.

Why do you think God cannot give a decayed body a brand new one? With God, all things are possible. We know that of Jesus didn't decay because the Bible said so.

Read the account of Ezekiel on the vision of the valley of dry bones;

Ezekiel 37:1-13
1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

This prophecy has two dimensions. First, it talks about the future resurrection of Israel. Their bones will come together and God will give it a new flesh.

The second is the hopelessness of the house of Israel. Their hopes will be restored.

So, this passage confirms that God can provide new flesh even for decayed bodies and broken bones.

He is the Lord and there is nothing too hard for him. After all, our intricate and beautiful bodies were made from the dust.

shadeyinka:

I am not disappointed with your deliberate tangent and evasive
responses

Phillipians 3:20-21
"But our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body

You were blind to the word TRANSFORM
You were blind to the phrase OUR LOWLY BODIES
You were blind to the word HIS GLORIOUS BODY

I rest my case

Bros,you have ZERO case.
TRANSFORM = CHANGE..
2 Cor 5:16. 1 Cor15:44-45. Christ did not change from human to human.

Hebrew 9:24 Jesus Christ appears before God.
Bros, you claim Jesus is in heaven with Human glorified body.
Jesus appears before God.
Your Trinity Jesus is God GIBBERISH nailed and buried. Shikena !

Let's go treat your other mess alias glorified human body FRAUD .

2Cor5:16 ".. even if We once knew Christ as a Man (Greek4561) , We know him no more as a Man."


John 17:24
Father, I want those You have given Me to be with Me where I am, that they may see the glory You gave Me

Question for Shadeyinka:
John 17:24, & Phil 2:6,Bros, in which body form was Jesus existing "where I am" before he came to earth?

In which body will the Apostles "be with me (Jesus) where I am"

Ken4Christ:


They are not wounds but scars for the purpose of evidence otherwise those who saw him will have reasons to doubt.

Why would Jesus use that body scar for Evidence to Thomas if he was resurrected as Human ?
John 20:11-14,Why did Mary Magdalene not recognize him without body scars even though she knows Jesus very well?

Why would Jesus appear and disappear several times in Luke 24:8-42 without any body scar ?

Before Jesus death can you show us when and where Jesus vanished and reappeared unrecognized by his disciples?
2 Corinthians 5:16, Christ is no more a Man.
1 Cor15:45 Jesus Christ is a life giving SPIRIT.
Glorified human body FRAUD
Triune idols worshippers Receive SENSE

Ken4Christ:


The body of Jesus didn't decay. It was transformed.

The body of believers that have died which has decayed will receive a brand new body.

Why do you think God cannot give a decayed body a brand new one? With God, all things are possible. We know that of Jesus didn't decay because the Bible said so.

Read the account of Ezekiel on the vision of the valley of dry bones;

Ezekiel 37:1-13
1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

2 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.

4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.

5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

11 Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

This prophecy has two dimensions. First, it talks about the future resurrection of Israel. Their bones will come together and God will give it a new flesh.

The second is the hopelessness of the house of Israel. Their hopes will be restored.

So, this passage confirms that God can provide new flesh even for decayed bodies and broken bones.

He is the Lord and there is nothing too hard for him. After all, our intricate and beautiful bodies were made from the dust.

Jesus' body was like a burnt offering to God.

It wasn't transformed but taken away by the angels as the sacrifice for sin. He never needed the human body from the start, all what that body stood for is to bear (carry) away the sin of the world. Therefore he can't put it on anymore, since it's bearing all our sins that is what made it corruptible (dishonour) 1Corint 15:42-43

Jesus resurrected in another form which is in his original form as a Mighty spirit. Fine, you may disagree with Jehovah's Witnesses but you can never find Bible students who understands what happened to Jesus body anywhere because they are not interested in such topic, all they're after is prosperity. How many of them do you see here coming to make expressions of faith regarding the topic?
The few ones that came are confused as they keep jumping from pillar to post just to support you against Jehovah's Witnesses, in reality they don't have anything tangible to offer.
Take it or leave it, Jesus didn't resurrect with his human body.

Blabbermouth:

Nevertheless the foundation of the LORD standeth sure having this seal - The LORD knows them that are His...
Even before the OP created this thread, we are all as sure as death that the JW members will never UNLearn and RELearn since they have one Lord - the Watchtower Organization and what they are fed is what they dish.
You've given them straight-forward Scriptures, Jesus' own words, and what did they say - "Ohh Shade, you don't have the holy spirit working in you, (indirectly) Jesus was a clown, he was only using his words to confuse the wolf " ROFLMAO.
Gone are the days of "trying to prove a point", in this season, I go for Essence and essence Only!... Until they can prove that Christ never said those words you quoted, then there is no essence in discussing with a sect whose Lord is not Christ Jesus.

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Philippians 2:6 Romans 8:3,Jesus was existing in God's spirit form before coming to earth
John 20:17, according to Blabber & Shadeyinka, Jesus Christ went to heaven in Human body to meet a Spirit,his God and Father.
Una think say una get SENSE?


2 Corinthians 5:16 and 1 Corinthians 15:44-45, shebi na Jehovah's witnesses write am for una BIBLE ?