did Jephthat the gileadite offered his daughter as a burnt offering unto the Lord based on his vow to God according to judges 11:31. Well i dont think he did because, he knows the Lord wont accept that kind of offering(human beign as a burnt offering) because he knows the law of the lord well,so instead he dedicated her unto the Lord by being single 4 the rest of her life. Will appreciate ur comments on this, thanks

Adekdammy:

did Jephthat the gileadite offered his daughter as a burnt offering unto the Lord based on his vow to God according to judges 11:31.

Well i dont think he did because, he knows the Lord wont accept that kind of offering(human beign as a burnt offering)

because he knows the law of the lord well,so instead he dedicated her unto the Lord by being single 4 the rest of her life.

Will appreciate ur comments on this, thanks

@Adekdammy

This was recorded for posterity to learn from

Carpenters are wary of hammers, though an enabling tool, it wont stop giving them a sore thumb, if they arent careful when nailing.

When the Spirit of God descended on Jephthat (i.e. power to accomplish), he unguardedly and uncarefully exuberantly spoke words

The lesson here, is, a big mouth is no excuse, do not get carried away with gra-gra and throw caution to wind when under the power

Unguarded vow. He cant be 100% sure that it will be an animal that will come to meet him and not a person.

The cheek of the man, trying to shift blame on his daughter, thank God she was a God fearing & understanding daughter

"And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said,
Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me:
for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back
” - Judges 11:35

Like you, the school of thought is the daughter did not die

Judges 11
30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands,

31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the Lord delivered them into his hands.

34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter.

35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the Lord, and I cannot go back.

36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the Lord, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the Lord hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon.

37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows.

38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains.

39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel,

40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

She was barbecued.

Adekdammy: did Jephthat the gileadite offered his daughter as a burnt offering unto the Lord based on his vow to God according to judges 11:31. Well i dont think he did because, he knows the Lord wont accept that kind of offering(human beign as a burnt offering) because he knows the law of the lord well,so instead he dedicated her unto the Lord by being single 4 the rest of her life. Will appreciate ur comments on this, thanks

she serve Yahweh all her live.

jayriginal:

She was barbecued.

you are in the wrong territory.

truthislight:

she serve Yahweh all her live.

yea, i agree with you

truthislight:

she serve Yahweh all her live.

And this is written in which part of the story?. . .

danwo:

Like you, the school of thought is the daughter did not die

It's funny to see Christians deceiving themselves about something that is obvious. You all believe that your religion is more civilized than others. So when confronted with a clear biblical reference to human sacrifice, you tell yourselves that "the girl didn't die". This is what the oyinmbos call cognitive dissonance.

Of course the girl died, her father offered her as a burnt offering! A human sacrifice! A virgin sacrifice! To the god of Isreal!

And the god of Israel did nothing to stop this travesty. In fact he was happy enough to have it included in the "divinely inspired" Book of Judges (with no don't roast your daughters disclaimer afterwards) as an example to parents for all time.

Clearly, your god is not that different from those of the Amalekites, and the Assyrians, and the Jebusites, and the Mayans.

jayriginal:

She was barbecued.

Evil Brain:

It's funny to see Christians deceiving themselves about something that is obvious. You all believe that your religion is more civilized than others. So when confronted with a clear biblical reference to human sacrifice, you tell yourselves that "the girl didn't die". This is what the oyinmbos call cognitive dissonance.

Of course the girl died, her father offered her as a burnt offering! A human sacrifice! A virgin sacrifice! To the god of Isreal!

And the god of Israel did nothing to stop this travesty. In fact he was happy enough to have it included in the "divinely inspired" Book of Judges (with no don't roast your daughters disclaimer afterwards) as an example to parents for all time.

Clearly, your god is not that different from those of the Amalekites, and the Assyrians, and the Jebusites, and the Mayans.

@jayriginal
@Evil Brain

Without saying much,

God does not, will not, has never accepted human sacrifices,

Human sacrifice is repugnant to God and there is no commandment or law to offer or kill as a religious sacrifice to God.

and before you lash and clutch on straws with what about the Jesus sacrifice

it is worth minding that Jesus was legally sentenced to death according to the Roman law of the day and land

Jesus died and became a sacrifice in accordance with the law of the land.

Jephthat had no legality to carry out his vow to sacrifice a human being to God.

An animal? yeah, yes he can, but a human being? Oh no, no, no can do

Jephthat was aware of the faux pas and the bit of bother he found himself in

His daughter, credit to her, had enough cop on, and offerred her dad a get-out-of-jail-free cop-a-plea.

Jephthat having realised he is onto an impossible task succumbed to his daughter's alternative.

You need to realise that Judges 11:39 is about another Jephthat's vow, which retrospectively he agreed to

(i.e. she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel)

Now let's read Judges 11:40

That the daughters of Israel went ^Nyearly ^Nto lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

40 Heb. from year to year

40 Or, to talk with

If she was sacrified or died, how is it possble that the daughters of Israel went from year to year to talk with the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year

mazaje:

And this is written in which part of the story?. . .

she was used for babecue was written in which part of the scriptures?

When samuel was offered to Yahweh was he use for babecue?

So why conclude that she was babecue?

The levi that were dedicated to Yahweh were they babecued?

Evil Brain:

It's funny to see Christians deceiving themselves about something that is obvious. You all believe that your religion is more civilized than others. So when confronted with a clear biblical reference to human sacrifice, you tell yourselves that "the girl didn't die". This is what the oyinmbos call cognitive dissonance.

Of course the girl died, her father offered her as a burnt offering! A human sacrifice! A virgin sacrifice! To the god of Isreal!

And the god of Israel did nothing to stop this travesty. In fact he was happy enough to have it included in the "divinely inspired" Book of Judges (with no don't roast your daughters disclaimer afterwards) as an example to parents for all time.

Clearly, your god is not that different from those of the Amalekites, and the Assyrians, and the Jebusites, and the Mayans.

you are describing yourself.

The evidence of proof rest on you the accuser.

So, stop your self deceit.

danwo:
@jayriginal
@Evil Brain

You need to realise that Judges 11:39 is about another Jephthat's vow, which retrospectively he agreed to

She knew no man simply means she died a virgin. She was roasted a virgin.

If you say there was another vow, prove it. After all, her lament when she heard of the vow was simply bemoaning the fact that she was about to die as a virgin.
Get real bro.

Ha ha ha.
These Yahwehist again, defending Yahweh again, even from what is clearly written in the book of Yahweh.
N wa o.
This is soooo ridiculous.
Danwo is even tying to rewrite the dictionary meaning of the word Lament. In his scriptural reasoning(lol), lament should now mean "Talk to to".

2 judges 11:31 says clearly; then It shall be that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, Shall surely be the lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

Then, verse 39 clearly says: And it came to pass that at the end of 2 months, she(his daughter) returned unto her father who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed.And she knew no man(died a virgin). And it was a custom in Isreal(it became a custom in Isreal).

Do you guys now disagree with the words of your holy bible , or is it just too much for you to comprehend?

jayriginal:

She knew no man simply means she died a virgin. She was roasted a virgin.

If you say there was another vow, prove it. After all, her lament when she heard of the vow was simply bemoaning the fact that she was about to die as a virgin.
Get real bro.

plaetton:

Ha ha ha.
These Yahwehist again, defending Yahweh again, even from what is clearly written in the book of Yahweh.
N wa o.
This is soooo ridiculous.
Danwo is even tying to rewrite the dictionary meaning of the word Lament. In his scriptural reasoning(lol), lament should now mean "Talk to to".

2 judges 11:31 says clearly; then It shall be that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, Shall surely be the lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.

Then, verse 39 clearly says: And it came to pass that at the end of 2 months, she(his daughter) returned unto her father who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed.And she knew no man(died a virgin). And it was a custom in Isreal(it became a custom in Isreal).

Do you guys now disagree with the words of your holy bible , or is it just too much for you to comprehend?

@jayriginal
@plaetton

"she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.
And it was a custom in Israel"
- Judges 11:39

I hope you both noticed the punctuation mark ( : ) in the above verse and what followed after it (i.e. the immediate five words after and ending with the custom sentence)
Go figure?

danwo:



@jayriginal
@plaetton

"she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel"
- Judges 11:39

I hope you both noticed the punctuation mark ( : ) in the above verse and what followed after it (i.e. the immediate five words after)
Go figure?

Answer this: what did he vow?

mkmyers45:

Answer this: what did he vow?

@mkmyers45

OK here it is ...

danwo:



@jayriginal
@plaetton

"she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man.
And it was a custom in Israel"
- Judges 11:39

I hope you both noticed the punctuation mark ( : ) in the above verse and what followed after it (i.e. the immediate five words after and ending with the custom sentence)
Go figure?

Yup, I noticed the punctuation. It simply shows that she was roasted a virgin.

Which vow did he make that was not mentioned. If god did not like the human sacrifice and permitted him to fulfill another vow(I am assuming for the sake of argument), why then was it not mentioned. Then, we wouldnt be arguing over this.

Consider Jephthah telling god he will roast whatever comes out of his house. Did either he or god suppose it would be a table that would come out of the house ?

Or perhaps the cooking pot would open the door and come out ?

At the very thing, it had to be a living thing. If I were god and didnt want the human sacrifice, what would stop me from somehow making sure it was an animal; a sheep perhaps that came out of the already opened door (dont ask me how, I am god until the fullstop ).

No, instead, god watched (that is if he did not even make the girl rush out) as the girl came joyfully to greet her father.

Now, she told her father that he must fulfill his vow, but he should let her mourn for her virginity. After mourning, she came back Jephthah turned her to suya according to his vow, and the Israel chicks MOURNED her.

You find it abhorrent and it shows you are at the very least, better than the god she was sacrificed to, but you dont want to believe that. So instead, you bend over backwards to escape the obvious.

danwo:

@mkmyers45

OK here it is ...

where?

mkmyers45:

Answer this: what did he vow?

jayriginal:

Yup, I noticed the punctuation. It simply shows that she was roasted a virgin.

Which vow did he make that was not mentioned. If god did not like the human sacrifice and permitted him to fulfill another vow(I am assuming for the sake of argument), why then was it not mentioned. Then, we wouldnt be arguing over this.

Consider Jephthah telling god he will roast whatever comes out of his house. Did either he or god suppose it would be a table that would come out of the house ?

Or perhaps the cooking pot would open the door and come out ?

At the very thing, it had to be a living thing. If I were god and didnt want the human sacrifice, what would stop me from somehow making sure it was an animal; a sheep perhaps that came out of the already opened door (dont ask me how, I am god until the fullstop ).

No, instead, god watched (that is if he did not even make the girl rush out) as the girl came joyfully to greet her father.

Now, she told her father that he must fulfill his vow, but he should let her mourn for her virginity. After mourning, she came back Jephthah turned her to suya according to his vow, and the Israel chicks MOURNED her.

You find it abhorrent and it shows you are at the very least, better than the god she was sacrificed to, but you dont want to believe that. So instead, you bend over backwards to escape the obvious.

@mkmyers45
@jayriginal

Without trying to come across as condescending, there is enough information from preceding posts to how and what really was vowed than this overrated barbecued conjecture or roasted paranoia

Here is unfolding the information . . .

Slowly read Judges 11:31 because I am hoping you will spot and detect the dichotomy in the verse

Then it shall be, that whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S,
and I will offer it up for a burnt offering.
- Judges 11:31

Jephthah made was a coded or as it were a pregnant or loaded vow

#1: "whatsoever comes forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S"

#2: "and I will offer it up for a burnt offering."


It is like this:

Referring to #1: Whatsoever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me shall surely be the LORD'S (i.e. dedicated or vowed to God)

Referring to #2: Better still, if it happens to be an IT (i.e. an animal and not a human being) then I will offer IT, the animal up for a burnt offering as a bonus.

Father and daughter knew the fate of the daughter is now a lifetime of celibacy and dedication to God (i.e. as per #1)

Please do not hit under the belt with "it" is used for a human being

(i.e. please recognise and understand that the "it" in the verse is referring to an animal and not a human being or Jephthah's daughter)

^^^
You wish to avoid the obvious; so be "it".

jayriginal:

^^^
You wish to avoid the obvious; so be "it".

@jayriginal

Seems you wouldn't mind me referring to you as it

Maybe I shall start using the adjective IT for you from now on when talking about you or referring to you.

^^
If you like. I cant stop you can I ?

jayriginal:

^^
If you like. I cant stop you can I ?

^^^
It (i.e. jayriginal) and others can't say I didn't try.
Oops!
Sorry jayriginal, I didn't really mean to call you it.