Chaulay1: @Kobojunkie

Since you strongly feel there is no need for maid services at all, I am just wondering if there is a way out of this situation I am going to describe.

Husband and wife leave home around 7:00am to be back usually 8:00pm. Before the arrival of a baby there was no need for any maid but then wife got pregnant and and will be due for delivery soon. In her place of work, she is only entitled to 6weeks maternity leave. The couple live very far from other family members and now the question is how will they cope without a maid. The wife is considering additional 6weeks off work without pay so that d baby will be 3months before her resumption. The option of resigning to look after the baby is no go area as the wife is the major financier of the home.

Now, what are the other options she has apart from a maid(nanny) considering the fact that Daycare centres close hours before her closing time. Infact, leaving the office for daycare runs is not feasible?
(Note: wife's mum is late and mother in-law will only be available few weeks after delivery)

Will appreciate other peoples' responses as well.

She needs an housekeeper to do her chores while she takes care of her precious bundle of joy.When she is due to return to work,she can take the baby to a very good daycare centre.As a matter of fact,we do have very good ones who even bath ur baby.

Kobojunkie:

Correction : She did not need a maid at any point.

Hope that helps you now.

Sure it helps me. It tells me you were trying to bullish*t us. So if you know that having 17 children essentially gives her her own 'biological maids', why use that example? To try to bamboozle us mindless ones right?

ileobatojo:

Sure it helps me. It tells me you were trying to bullish*t us. So if you know that having 17 children essentially gives her her own 'biological maids', why use that example? To try to bamboozle us mindless ones right?

I suspected that I was dealing with a mindless one but decided instead to correct the error in my sentence there just so I can be more sure of what I am dealing with here.
You are told that she raised 17 children and never at any point needed a maid? Is that really what you Still came up with, even after that correction was made? So, in your mind, this woman ALWAYS had kids to help her take care of the kids?

Kobojunkie:

I suspected that I was dealing with a mindless one but decided instead to correct the error in my sentence there just so I can be more sure of what I am dealing with here.
You are told that she raised 17 children and never at any point needed a maid? Is that really what you Still came up with, even after that correction was made? So, in your mind, this woman ALWAYS had kids to help her take care of the kids?

Can you explain to us all the reason for which you picked that specific example (of that family) to prove your point?

ileobatojo:

Can you explain to us all the reason for which you picked that specific example to prove your point?

I am sure I explained that quite well in the post you picked that from and the one that followed.

Kobojunkie:

I am sure I explained that quite well in the post you picked that from and the one that followed.

LMAO!

Wow, so even you, per your M.O, can't come up with some ridiculously long winded, completely off point, self contradicting, rambling defense for your bullsh*t? It's pretty darn funny, I have to say.

Kobojunkie:

I am sure I explained that quite well in the post you picked that from and the one that followed.

don't you ever sleep. Dont comment ya sef 2 death.NL is filld wit diff't xtr including you

I am not against hiring housekeepers or nannies. I actually came with young kids over a decade ago and had to study for multiple board exams. My amusement at most of the responses is the fact that we are immune to reality as Nigerians and we all pretend to be big men and women. If you cannot pay a living wage do not enslave another man's child. By all means hire anyone but let's stop deluding ourselves. My point is that a house cleaner in this part of the part of the country lives in a nice condominium and has a fairly decent life because they make what is decent for their skills set.
You cannot enslave another man's child on 17000 naira a year and call yourself a madam or oga! It's self delusional. You know what they do to all the Nigerian and Arab families who import house helps to enslave like is done in Nigeria , they jail them. Just google cases some instances. Some people from the developing world are so mean that even though all kids in a school district where you pay your property taxes are able to enroll, they will exclude a minor because they brought her as a maid!!! The African American intelligentsia is ashamed of some of our practices. Remember the slave trade! It took both white folks and Africans . Yes in my opinion most Nigerian women are lazy and their kids are raised by their house helps. I have seen both sides of the equation. Besides all these people boasting about maids cannot afford it in a normal society. Its only in Nigeria that I know whole human beings and their entire families doing the job of a remote garage door opener (maigards)!!! I used to think our problem in Nigeria was leadership but since I stumbled on naira land I changed my mind, the mindset of the populace is interesting and disturbing. What do we all think about slavery?

From what I have gleaned from my many discussions, it is only slavery when the white man or Chinese mane is doing it to a black man. Black man doing it to another black man is, as far as many are concerned, OK.

Kobo, perhaps we also need to consider the take home pay of a 6-6 professional here with that of the counterparts in the western world because surely that would affect their bargaining power?

Btw, the 15 or 17K per month is for live-in helps who are also fed, accomodated by their employers. If placed side by side with the so called minimum wage earner who would still bear the food, transportation etc burden then its a fair deal.

Just saying. . .

I meant 17,000naira/ month in my previous post.
My point is still that we should stop oppressing people who are less privileged. You are not a madam or oga if you cannot pay living wage to that housekeeper you are just pretending and may be better doing that job yourself. As busy as I am, I do my grocery, cook all kinds of meals in bulk on saturdays, freeze stew and my family eats healthy. And I am busier than I was when I was a big "madam" in Nigeria traveling from one country to the other. The point is our society condones oppression and that is reflected in our political system as well as this house help syndrome. By the way does anyone know what the American government classifies as poverty level? It's roughly about 4 million naira per household. Put in perspective, such a household in Nigeria (poor by world class) will have a human car wash, a human garage door opener, and a full time live in or call it whatever house help. Let's get real and stop all these delusions of madam and oga. Let's help the less fortunate rather than exploit them and we'll be better as a society.
I once met a caucasian woman born and bred in Jos and she wondered why there are no soup kitchens and shelters in many parts of Nigeria. She only needs to read some of these posts. We need to see ourselves in some of these less fortunate people. It could have been anyone but for the grace of God. I appreciate the part about creating jobs but please pay living wage otherwise it's not a job but oppression.

ifyalways:
Btw, the 15 or 17K per month is for live-in helps who are also fed, accomodated by their employers. If placed side by side with the so called minimum wage earner who would still bear the food, transportation etc burden then its a fair deal.
Just saying. . .

I will be honest with you. I do not know many Nigerians who pay there house-helps about $300 a month(even if with boarding included) You mentioned that in Lekki people do that, but Lekkis is far from the reality in mainstream Nigeria where majority of those with house helps live.

ifyalways: Kobo, perhaps we also need to consider the take home pay of a 6-6 professional here with that of the counterparts in the western world because surely that would affect their bargaining power?

On Bargaining power, I agree there is that part, and I did address that when I stated that it does cost a bit to maintain a maid here given that maids have rights and under the law are required to be treated humanely, like every other labor worker out there. However, it is possible to get maids for cheaper(illegal immigrants,or those desperate, willing to work under the table,) and some do that.

My mum told me of a friend of her's who kept a maid(Nigerian), in their home in houston. This particular woman paid her maid $1000 a month, and suggested that it was cheaper than sending her kids to daycare. However, that has not caught on here because I am of the opinion that people generally don't have that great of a need for maids. If there was a high demand for maids, I believe the price would generally come down and more people would get them but because their isn't, it is out there for those who feel they can afford it and it makes sense for them(the minority).

Many people here seem to get their ideas of America from watching reality shows(mostly scripted and glamorized pictures, and soap operas). Some pages ago, someone actually posted that one of the episodes of desperate housewives . . . I could not even read the rest of the tripe he typed afterwards cause I kept wondering why anyone would seriously think that watching one of those silly shows if enough to claim to know of America.

AmyJacob: I meant 17,000naira/ month in my previous post.
My point is still that we should stop oppressing people who are less privileged. You are not a madam or oga if you cannot pay living wage to that housekeeper you are just pretending and may be better doing that job yourself. As busy as I am, I do my grocery, cook all kinds of meals in bulk on saturdays, freeze stew and my family eats healthy. And I am busier than I was when I was a big "madam" in Nigeria traveling from one country to the other. The point is our society condones oppression and that is reflected in our political system as well as this house help syndrome. By the way does anyone know what the American government classifies as poverty level? It's roughly about 4 million naira per household. Put in perspective, such a household in Nigeria (poor by world class) will have a human car wash, a human garage door opener, and a full time live in or call it whatever house help. Let's get real and stop all these delusions of madam and oga. Let's help the less fortunate rather than exploit them and we'll be better as a society.
I once met a caucasian woman born and bred in Jos and she wondered why there are no soup kitchens and shelters in many parts of Nigeria. She only needs to read some of these posts. We need to see ourselves in some of these less fortunate people. It could have been anyone but for the grace of God. I appreciate the part about creating jobs but please pay living wage otherwise it's not a job but oppression.

Dear Amy,
While i partly agree with most of your points... you lost me at the point about the caucasian woman. And this is what i call self-righteousness.
Because you have found yourself in obodo oyinbo now, you suddenly believe everything you see there should be available here. While it is important you have those amenities. Lets not loose sight of the fact that we have basic amenities challenges. So if my president comes up to say his next project now is to provide shelter home or eradicate some artisan like jobs, am one of those people that will fight down that sort of idea. We are not even developing and you want soup kitchens and shelters, where they will sleep on cold floor, die in mass, become hungry like hell because one individual will not approve the contract!
Pls lets call a spade what it is. If you live in Nigeria, you need to live in the reality of time and economies (If you get a housekeeper, Its no sin, as long as you don't oppress them or think of them as lower beings. If you live in america, you can as well get house-keepers if you have the money to pay them. Its because you guys dont that you suddenly think being super-human is the way to go.
Tell me, if you start earning 12 figures in your proclaimed america, will you not be able to pay 1000 for a weekly clean? So you dont earn enuf to pay, coupled with the fact that ur siblings at home are dependent on the $ you send, which u work extremely hard to earn.
Give me a break mehn< the point here is not how do you treat your maid, It is which will you prefer, and lets base that on our present living conditions and economies.

Kobojunkie:
I will be honest with you. I do not know many Nigerians who pay there house-helps about $300 a month(even if with boarding included) You mentioned that in Lekki people do that, but Lekkis is far from the reality in mainstream Nigeria where majority of those with house helps live.



On Bargaining power, I agree there is that part, and I did address that when I stated that it does cost a bit to maintain a maid here given that maids have rights and under the law are required to be treated humanely, like every other labor worker out there. However, it is possible to get maids for cheaper(illegal immigrants,or those desperate, willing to work under the table,) and some do that.

My mum told me of a friend of her's who kept a maid(Nigerian), in their home in houston. This particular woman paid her maid $1000 a month, and suggested that it was cheaper than sending her kids to daycare. However, that has not caught on here because I am of the opinion that people generally don't have that great of a need for maids. If there was a high demand for maids, I believe the price would generally come down and more people would get them but because their isn't, it is out there for those who feel they can afford it and it makes sense for them(the minority).

Many people here seem to get their ideas of America from watching reality shows(mostly scripted and glamorized pictures, and soap operas). Some pages ago, someone actually posted that one of the episodes of desperate housewives . . . I could not even read the rest of the tripe he typed afterwards cause I kept wondering why anyone would seriously think that watching one of those silly shows if enough to claim to know of America.

Kpele o, Mr kobo junkie that knows america like the palm of his hand. And am sure u will be one of those blacks on the train that sits in a corner looking extremely frustated and angry.
If people base their america experience on media, whats the wrong thing in that. Dont ur western countries base their judgement about us based on wardfare, guerrilla and animal safari/jungle that their media propagate? If i may say, my experience on SA is all i have learnt from the media, The blacks are angry and backward, the while are racial and forward focused. Whats wrong with that, didnt the black kill lucky dube? thinking he was nigerian.....pls Mr Kobojunkie/junkyard.

for those against maids even wit heavy workloads in the office, monster traffic, husband not helping in the house, little kids to take care of etc, pls wat do you do apart from all these? wat extra activities re u into? are you active in church, community, politics etc etc?

Shouldn't having a maid be a personal decison?

Why is this turning into a 5-page long argument

Some of us are comfortable with slaving for hours over house chores, some others are not!

Even outside the country, people employ maids, housekeepers, nannies e.t.c . . . . if they can afford it!

Does someone wanting an easier life h/she can afford make them lazy

I just dont understand Nldres sometimes

If you can afford a house-maid, fine go for it but if not don't engage in child slavery or anything related to it ... if someone wants to be you maid out of his/her own will and you can comfortably afford it all well and good but what i wont stand for is modern day slavery in its entirety...

This page is closed.
On a final note, My fellow Nigeria People.
Pls patronize CleanHomeAffairs o, I use them and they are very good in domestic cleaning.
You can call them on 0700CLEANERS, 08171692639, 08162247396.
Their web addy is www.cleanhomeaffairs.com
You can also get them via email: ayo@cleanhomeaffairs.com or lola@cleanhomeaffairs.com

Their staffs are well-cultured and highly professional, so they dont come to your house looking like your typical maid, they are young men and women doing their own jobs
and they are very affordable. Try them out o.

Pls o, I am looking for a driver living around Mushin area. Guranteed one o.

I have been following this page cuz I was even contemplating what kind of maid to get. I did not want to comment but reading this morning I must say that seriously Nigerians are funny esp those of u that feel u live abroad n u automatically believe their system over there is the most appropriate. Talking about child slavery specifically, please how many nigerians have children as housemaids. We are talking about househelps that would assist in taking care of your kids and cooking and house chores and u all r screaming about child slavery and paying well. Let me ask u one thing do you know how much a bsc holder earns in some companies in nigeria does that mean that's the end of the world.we all very know of the employment situation in the country and if a child whose parents cannot cater for him/her in d village want to start working why not and are you going to pay him all ur hard earned money because you are Michelle obama comon. Even rich tycoons today have a story of when they worked through their young age. Nobody is indulging in child slavery its just mere giving them opportunities. The economy is bad admit.

I have been following this page cuz I was even contemplating what kind of maid to get. I did not want to comment but reading this morning I must say that seriously Nigerians are funny esp those of u that feel u live abroad n u automatically believe their system over there is the most appropriate. Talking about child slavery specifically, please how many nigerians have children as housemaids. We are talking about househelps that would assist in taking care of your kids and cooking and house chores and u all r screaming about child slavery and paying well. Let me ask u one thing do you know how much a bsc holder earns in some companies in nigeria does that mean that's the end of the world.we all very know of the employment situation in the country and if a child whose parents cannot cater for him/her in d village want to start working why not and are you going to pay him all ur hard earned money because you are Michelle obama comon. Even rich tycoons today have a story of when they worked through their young age. Nobody is indulging in child slavery its just mere giving them opportunities. The economy is bad admit.

I have been following this page cuz I was even contemplating what kind of maid to get. I did not want to comment but reading this morning I must say that seriously Nigerians are funny esp those of u that feel u live abroad n u automatically believe their system over there is the most appropriate. Talking about child slavery specifically, please how many nigerians have children as housemaids. We are talking about househelps that would assist in taking care of your kids and cooking and house chores and u all r screaming about child slavery and paying well. Let me ask u one thing do you know how much a bsc holder earns in some companies in nigeria does that mean that's the end of the world.we all very know of the employment situation in the country and if a child whose parents cannot cater for him/her in d village want to start working why not and are you going to pay him all ur hard earned money because you are Michelle obama comon. Even rich tycoons today have a story of when they worked through their young age. Nobody is indulging in child slavery its just mere giving them opportunities. The economy is bad admit.

bukatyne: for those against maids even wit heavy workloads in the office, monster traffic, husband not helping in the house, little kids to take care of etc, pls wat do you do apart from all these? wat extra activities re u into? are you active in church, community, politics etc etc?

Does it matter what extra activities YOU CHOOSE to get yourself hooked on the side?

Kobojunkie:

Does it matter what extra activities YOU CHOOSE to get yourself hooked on the side?

how was your night hope it was good .. i can see you are awake

NONE...

Kobojunkie:

Does it matter what extra activities YOU CHOOSE to get yourself hooked on the side?

it does... i am not for/against maids, it depends on individual situation but i won't make a general/blanket statement/standard for everyone.

bukatyne: it does... i am not for/against maids, it depends on individual situation but i won't make a general/blanket statement/standard for everyone.

Well, I don't see the sense in getting a maid just so you can go join the choir, or attend yoga classes every other day. I am not saying there are no folks out there who do it, just that I don't see the sense in it.

Nobody really makes standards for everyone. You can simply take a look at data that is available on these things and easily plot those on the left and on the right the curve.

Another question that I forgot to ask . . . how many of you "Madams" keep to the 8 hour day schedule and make sure to pay them at least Naira 18,000 each month for those hours and overtime if they go above that?

free2ryhme: don't you ever sleep. Dont comment ya sef 2 death.NL is filld wit diff't xtr including you

thank you jare, she is begining to piss me off sef

figures: thank you jare, she is begining to piss me off sef

Join the queue o o o . . . you are not even patient #222 on that list, and you won't be the last . . . .I can guarantee you that

Hire prfessional housekeepers to do your house chores while you do office chores.

9ja4us: This page is closed.
On a final note, My fellow Nigeria People.
Pls patronize CleanHomeAffairs o, I use them and they are very good in domestic cleaning.
You can call them on 0700CLEANERS, 08171692639, 08162247396.
Their web addy is www.cleanhomeaffairs.com
You can also get them via email: ayo@cleanhomeaffairs.com or lola@cleanhomeaffairs.com

Their staffs are well-cultured and highly professional, so they dont come to your house looking like your typical maid, they are young men and women doing their own jobs
and they are very affordable. Try them out o.

Pls o, I am looking for a driver living around Mushin area. Guranteed one o.

.....

^^^^^ By the way, you just helped me with support for most every one of the points I have tried to make about how many of our Nigerian women(Madams with house helps and cleaners) are not on the same level when it comes to Hard-work, as women in other parts of Africa where many of the pictures of hard-working women now come from, and some parts of the west. . . .