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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Diligence: 7:10am On Sep 20, 2012
I hv reached out to my muslim friends: that if the world knows your weakness, they will mercilessly exploit it, to their own pleasure! More of these will come up esp from mischief makers... but until the our muslim bros and sis know that the best way to overcome this is to outgrow ur penchant to protect ur weakness and that's reclining to violence in the name of religion...
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by AyeeIdris(f): 7:15am On Sep 20, 2012
Madawaki01: if muslims don't watch it,won't non muslims watch it,b4 d protest,there calls to remove it from d internet but it fell on deaf ears,and who told u it was bricklayers who knew nothing are d ones that protest,don't try to think that every country is Nigeria where things like that abound,every one of dem dat protest has watched d film and knew d reason why they're protesting. If i was called to protest in Nigeria,i would do it and i won't mind reducing d french embassy to ashes.LET THEM KNOW THAT OUR PROPHET IS NOT SOMEONE TO B TOYED WITH.THEY DELIBERATELY STIRRED THE HORNET NEST,THEN LET THEM HAV IT.

People like you continously give us a bad name. SMH.

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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Nobody: 7:30am On Sep 20, 2012
Madawaki01: if muslims don't watch it,won't non muslims watch it,b4 d protest,there calls to remove it from d internet but it fell on deaf ears,and who told u it was bricklayers who knew nothing are d ones that protest,don't try to think that every country is Nigeria where things like that abound,every one of dem dat protest has watched d film and knew d reason why they're protesting. If i was called to protest in Nigeria,i would do it and i won't mind reducing d french embassy to ashes.LET THEM KNOW THAT OUR PROPHET IS NOT SOMEONE TO B TOYED WITH.THEY DELIBERATELY STIRRED THE HORNET NEST,THEN LET THEM HAV IT.

if only all religions think like you the world will be a blood bath!

Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by eduson55(m): 7:30am On Sep 20, 2012
muslim muslim muslim,,cant we just hear another thing??
what sort of nonsense is this?you guys should for once be peaceful.try emulate the Emirate es(UAE)..

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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by 9javoice: 7:40am On Sep 20, 2012
When muslims insult christians no one hears any noise. When its the other way round, dogs start barking! That's what they know how to do best!Let them bark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Nobody: 7:43am On Sep 20, 2012
9javoice: When muslims insult christians no one hears any noise. When its the other way round, dogs start barking! That's what they know how to do best!Let them bark!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you don't need a magician to tell you about the true religion of peace

Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by vislabraye(m): 8:21am On Sep 20, 2012
Madawaki01: if muslims don't watch it,won't non muslims watch it,b4 d protest,there calls to remove it from d internet but it fell on deaf ears,and who told u it was bricklayers who knew nothing are d ones that protest,don't try to think that every country is Nigeria where things like that abound,every one of dem dat protest has watched d film and knew d reason why they're protesting. If i was called to protest in Nigeria,i would do it and i won't mind reducing d french embassy to ashes.LET THEM KNOW THAT OUR PROPHET IS NOT SOMEONE TO B TOYED WITH.THEY DELIBERATELY STIRRED THE HORNET NEST,THEN LET THEM HAV IT.

You'll raze the French embassy at the expense of innocent life?
The moslems who attacked the magazine website did the smartest thing. Non violense is what we are talking about.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Madawaki01(m): 8:22am On Sep 20, 2012
Who are xtians,FOOLISH MINORITIES IN THE WORLD.EVEN JEWS ARE MORE THAN THEM.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Madawaki01(m): 8:25am On Sep 20, 2012
vislabraye:

You'll raze the French embassy at the expense of innocent life?
The moslems who attacked the magazine website did the smartest thing. Non violense is what we are talking about.
NO,don't misunderstand me,i won't kill anybody but reduce their embassy to ashes,at least,they will stop things like that in the future.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Amalaaba: 8:44am On Sep 20, 2012
Ile-Ife:


wise man, clap for him. lmao. your imams have finished you people with conspiracy theories. So, the islamic way of commerce is a threat to the conventional way( chinese,Japanese, western etc). guy wake up, you are sleeping

Sir/Ma, What do you mean by conspiracy theory? Is it conspiracy theory that anybody that denies holocaust will go to jail in most European nations? Is it conspiracy theory that any American politician that openly criticize Jews or Zionist Israel will loose election and be humiliated? Is it too much to respect the sensibilities of others as the western world do to Jews?

By the way, just a few days ago 8 Afghanistan(Muslims) women were bombed to pieces while fetching firewood by American assassination drones. How many of the western press focuss on their families to feel their pain? Sir/Ma, or in your planet, they not human beings like the whites who just kill them as they choose. As a conspiracy theory expert, please answer the questions while wishing for yourself what the west is doing to the Arabs, if it is good.

Please sir, watch all the interview by all the western press they never question Israel's possession of Nuclear weapon against the background of its insistence and destroying Iran that is developing its own Nuclear technology.

Sir, this double standard of human right and free speech is clear enough for any fair, sincere and objective observer!

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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Okijajuju1(m): 9:00am On Sep 20, 2012
Islam is a Religion of Peace... However, dont PISS them off..

Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by tbaba1234: 9:32am On Sep 20, 2012
The anger in the muslim world is not from just cartoons and videos, it is from decades of oppression and humiliation.This episode gives people the avenue to let out some of the frustration in ways that are not so desirable.

Palestine has been occupied for over 60 years. A few hours back, Israel dumped bombs in gaza and this week, afghan women were killed fetching wood... What do you want to tell the families of the killed and those kicked out their homes? why would there not be anger? When there is retaliation, you say these muslims have started again.... forgetting that it works both ways. Have you ever been kicked out of your home or have a relative killed senselessly? You will shocked at the kinds of emotions that will bring about....

The freedom of speech argument is inherently flawed. Absolute freedom of speech is a myth.It does not exist.

Drawing of degrading cartoons and movies of the prophet or any other prophet do invoke feelings amongst muslims. It is the kind of cynicism that unfortunately exists in our society. Nothing is held as sacred. Some muslims overreact, but most people will if their mother or father was insulted. Like i said, respect for other people's traditions is an important value. It's a big place, we can all get along.

Movies or cartoons by members of dominant communities vilifying the religion of minority groups that are targets of racism are just a manifestation of oppression and incitation to racial hatred. There is a reason why many countries have laws against hate speech. Can you write a op--ed in the new york times using words like "ni__ga" or other racist slurs? Of course not, so there is a balance between freedom of speech and what is socially acceptable.

They project a stereotype on a minority in a society, a stereotype that makes them susceptible to hate crimes. People get fired from media companies for insulting jews for instance, rick sanchez of cnn was fired for antisemitic comments. Why? there were not socially acceptable. Helen thomas, a veteran white house reporter lost everything because she simply said that the jews in israel should go back to europe. Why? Because these comments were considered socially unacceptable in the society where they lived: America.

There is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech... It is a recipe for chaos,.. People need to respect social barriers particularly for minority groups...

A muslim cannot even insult the idol of an idol worshipper because it is forbidden in Islam... so while muslims are supposed to respect the religious values of others, People under the guise of freedom of speech violate everything held sacred by muslims.

The reaction should be more thought out, more measured but it is difficult to do that with all the emotions flying around.....
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by tbaba1234: 9:46am On Sep 20, 2012
What Did Muhammad Do When They Insulted Him?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aknDWVyM14
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Trailblazer1(m): 10:21am On Sep 20, 2012
If some on says ' you are crazy' and u replied ' i'd rip off my cloths, break a few bones and drown my self in acid, to show d whole world am angry at u'. den u are mad indeed. wen d world call muslims terrorists, muslims simply live up to their expectation, i bliv dis trend will continue cos non-muslims enjoy to see muslims react negatively, it is fun to dem to see you turn d 'peace of islam' into 'terrorism'. why dont you prove dem wrong by showing d peace you claim? d prophet introduced jihad as d last resort to death, but now it has become d 1st option. JIHAD IS A FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL - ARE D FILMS, CARTOONS, ETC. A THREAT TO D SURVIVAL OF ISLAM? SO WHY DO YOU STILL REMEMBA JIHAD? IS ISLAM ON D BRINK OF EXTINCTION? IF NO, JIHAD IS NOW OUTDATED AND NO MUSLIM SHUD EVA MAKE MENTION OF IT.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by sambang46: 12:42pm On Sep 20, 2012
[i][/i][i][/i]Does one become a Muslim by Conviction or Force. When will Muslims stop behaving as though they are not interested in other human's eternal fate? In case they do not know; The FORCE of CONVICTION is stronger than the CONVICTION of FORCE. Christians use the former and that's why they are unstopable.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by JeSoul(f): 2:45pm On Sep 20, 2012
tbaba1234: The anger in the muslim world is not from just cartoons and videos, it is from decades of oppression and humiliation.This episode gives people the avenue to let out some of the frustration in ways that are not so desirable.
You're probably right. At the same time its unfortunate they don't direct some of their frustration at their own leaders. The west is not 100% responsible for the sad state of the majority of muslim countries. When acid is poured on a 3rd wife or a 12yr old is married off or someone's hand is cut off for stealing or an 'adulterer' is beheaded is it also the west that did it?

Palestine has been occupied for over 60 years. A few hours back, Israel dumped bombs in gaza and this week, afghan women were killed fetching wood... What do you want to tell the families of the killed and those kicked out their homes? why would there not be anger? When there is retaliation, you say these muslims have started again.... forgetting that it works both ways. Have you ever been kicked out of your home or have a relative killed senselessly? You will shocked at the kinds of emotions that will bring about....
Each side has their own story and each side tries to portray themselves as victims - the bottomline is both sides are guilty of crimes towards the other.

^but this is a digression, the part of your post I wanted to respond to is this:
The freedom of speech argument is inherently flawed. Absolute freedom of speech is a myth.It does not exist.

Drawing of degrading cartoons and movies of the prophet or any other prophet do invoke feelings amongst muslims. It is the kind of cynicism that unfortunately exists in our society. Nothing is held as sacred. Some muslims overreact, but most people will if their mother or father was insulted. Like i said, respect for other people's traditions is an important value. It's a big place, we can all get along.

Movies or cartoons by members of dominant communities vilifying the religion of minority groups that are targets of racism are just a manifestation of oppression and incitation to racial hatred. There is a reason why many countries have laws against hate speech. Can you write a op--ed in the new york times using words like "ni__ga" or other racist slurs? Of course not, so there is a balance between freedom of speech and what is socially acceptable.

They project a stereotype on a minority in a society, a stereotype that makes them susceptible to hate crimes. People get fired from media companies for insulting jews for instance, rick sanchez of cnn was fired for antisemitic comments. Why? there were not socially acceptable. Helen thomas, a veteran white house reporter lost everything because she simply said that the jews in israel should go back to europe. Why? Because these comments were considered socially unacceptable in the society where they lived: America.

There is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech... It is a recipe for chaos,.. People need to respect social barriers particularly for minority groups...
First of all you need to seperate issues clearly and not lump it all into one category.

1. Each sovereign country has the right to declare unto themselves what is/is not acceptable in their society. American law has no jurisdiction on Pakistani soil and vice versa. There is no universal code of conduct we all follow and with good reason - every society is different, and assigns varying degrees of importance to various issues.
It may be illegal/immoral to denigrate your prophet in Libya, but it is NOT in America. Simple. And you cannot project your own idea of morality 5000miles away and demand others follow your own beliefs.

2. You are right freedom of speech is not necessarily a license to say what you want without consequence. But there is a stark difference between firing someone (american way of showing disapproval) and taking someone's life (Libyan way of showing disapproval). The consequence is drastically different. One goes about it in a civilized way that discourages others from doing the same - the other is, well, uncivilized that causes others to further hate you.

A muslim cannot even insult the idol of an idol worshipper because it is forbidden in Islam... so while muslims are supposed to respect the religious values of others, People under the guise of freedom of speech violate everything held sacred by muslims.

The reaction should be more thought out, more measured but it is difficult to do that with all the emotions flying around.....
Again, it is commendable muslims choose to 'respect' other religions (although you deny that 'respect' when they exhibit violence towards others), but you cannot expect others to hold the same beliefs as you do. There are atheists who don't believe in any faith, and we all reserve the right to hold profane that which another might deem sacred - and not have to be killed for it.

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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Martianarian: 2:54pm On Sep 20, 2012
You can't say you believe in the Bible and then, say the Bible is corrupted. No! Not even the koran can say the bible is corrupted. Suras 4:136, 5:43, 47 confirms that the Bible was fully known to Prophet Muhammed and he had full confidence in its truthfulness. It also tells us that according to true islam, Christians are to guide themselves by the Gospel. Muhammed was even told to refer to the Christians for duller spiritual understandings. And moreover, you can't compare Jesus with any prophet. According to sura 4:171(al nisa), Jesus is the Spirit of God, the Saviour and the Word of God. This verse agrees to John 1:1. Not even muhammed or moses or Abraham have that privilege. You can say Jesus is the Spirit of Allah and still call Him his servant or slave or even a prophet. He's far greater than that.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Cityguy: 3:27pm On Sep 21, 2012
Madawaki01: Who are xtians,FOOLISH MINORITIES IN THE WORLD.EVEN JEWS ARE MORE THAN THEM.
You suck........
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by tbaba1234: 4:12pm On Sep 21, 2012
JeSoul: You're probably right. At the same time its unfortunate they don't direct some of their frustration at their own leaders. The west is not 100% responsible for the sad state of the majority of muslim countries. When acid is poured on a 3rd wife or a 12yr old is married off or someone's hand is cut off for stealing or an 'adulterer' is beheaded is it also the west that did it?

Each side has their own story and each side tries to portray themselves as victims - the bottomline is both sides are guilty of crimes towards the other.

Acid poured on a third wife?? what are you talking about

I am talking of problems of colonisation, sponsored coups, occupation and wars (including unwarranted drone strikes).... Imagine coming out of your house and seeing foreign tanks on you land, setting up check points... Most of the leaders you talk about were installed/supported by foreign powers. Saddam hussein, Mubarak, Ben Ali etc

As regard the palestinian conflict, The major problem is the OCCUPATION of a people..... I agree that crimes from both sides but you can not suffocate a people and expect no reaction....

First of all you need to seperate issues clearly and not lump it all into one category.

1. Each sovereign country has the right to declare unto themselves what is/is not acceptable in their society. American law has no jurisdiction on Pakistani soil and vice versa. There is no universal code of conduct we all follow and with good reason - every society is different, and assigns varying degrees of importance to various issues.
It may be illegal/immoral to denigrate your prophet in Libya, but it is NOT in America. Simple. And you cannot project your own idea of morality 5000miles away and demand others follow your own beliefs.

2. You are right freedom of speech is not necessarily a license to say what you want without consequence. But there is a stark difference between firing someone (american way of showing disapproval) and taking someone's life (Libyan way of showing disapproval). The consequence is drastically different. One goes about it in a civilized way that discourages others from doing the same - the other is, well, uncivilized that causes others to further hate you.

1. It is kind of shallow to assume that what happens in America does not affect people in the muslim world and on a lesserscale vice versa, the world has changed drastically, No one lives in isolation anymore. There is a lot of hypocrisy to this concept of freedom of speech. Try talking against gay people as a popular person and watch the backlash.

So It is not 500miles away any longer, The US government orders Youtube to take down many videos yearly, where is the freedom of speech there? There are over 1.5 billion people that subscribe to the muslim faith. They could have ordered youtube to take it down after the whole thing started.

2. No one supports the taking of innocent lives... The reaction is not the best and goes against Islamic values....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6zuKbBlmRo
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Nobody: 4:27pm On Sep 22, 2012
tbaba1234: The anger in the muslim world is not from just cartoons and videos, it is from decades of oppression and humiliation.This episode gives people the avenue to let out some of the frustration in ways that are not so desirable.

Strange. Because you never see these same muslims violently protesting the sheer inhumane treatments at the hands of vicious dictators like Saddam Hussein or Bashar Al Assad.
Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by Sagamite(m): 6:13pm On Sep 22, 2012
davidylan:

Strange. Because you never see these same muslims violently protesting the sheer inhumane treatments at the hands of vicious dictators like Saddam Hussein or Bashar Al Assad.

This is what pisses me off.

A lot of muslims go on the streets to protest if one group (e.g. Jews, Southerners, the West etc) is fighting and killing a group of muslims, claiming that they have to react that way because their 'muslim brothers and sisters' are being slaughtered, so they have to support them. Support them sometimes might include killing innocent "infidels" in their locality.

Yet if it is the muslims in another region that has an upperhand and are killing other people (lets say Xtians), they keep quiet. So it is okay "infidels" are killed?

That is what I call a CULT MENTALITY!

https://www.nairaland.com/678977/muslim-girl-stoned-death-participating/3#msg8426101

Even if it is the muslims in another region that has an upperhand and are killing other other muslims, they keep quiet. How come they are not on the streets protesting their 'muslim brothers and sisters' are being slaughtered? Does their 'muslim brothers and sisters' not need support then? So it is okay for muslims to be killed as long as the killing is being done by a fellow muslim?

This is the sad mentality of superiority. You can't touch us but we are allowed to touch you, if you object to this, you will get violence. That is cult mentality.
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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by madihaaleem: 8:00am On Dec 12, 2018
The displeasure in the muslim world isn't from just kid's shows and recordings, it is from many years of persecution and humiliation.This scene gives individuals the road to let out a portion of the dissatisfaction in manners that are not all that attractive.

Palestine has been involved for more than 60 years. A couple of hours back, Israel dumped bombs in gaza and this week, afghan ladies were killed getting wood... What would you like to tell the groups of the executed and those kicked out their homes? for what reason would there not be outrage? At the point when there is countering, you say these muslims have begun again.... overlooking that it works both ways. Have you at any point been kicked out of your home or have a relative executed foolishly? You will stunned at the sorts of feelings that will bring about....

The right to speak freely contention is characteristically imperfect. Supreme the right to speak freely is a myth.It does not exist.

Drawing of corrupting kid's shows and motion pictures of the prophet or some other prophet do conjure emotions among muslims. It is the sort of criticism that shockingly exists in our general public. Nothing is held as hallowed. A few muslims overcompensate, yet the vast majority will if their mom or father was offended. Like I stated, regard for other individuals' conventions is an imperative esteem. It's a major place, we would all be able to get along.

Motion pictures or kid's shows by individuals from predominant networks attacking the religion of minority bunches that are focuses of prejudice are only a sign of abuse and incitation to racial disdain. There is a motivation behind why numerous nations have laws against despise discourse. Would you be able to compose an operation - ed in the new york times utilizing words like "ni__ga" or other supremacist slurs? Obviously not, so there is a harmony between the right to speak freely and what is socially adequate.

They anticipate a generalization on a minority in a general public, a generalization that makes them vulnerable to loathe violations. Individuals get let go from media organizations for offending jews for example, rick sanchez of cnn was let go for anti-Jewish remarks. Why? there were not socially satisfactory. Helen thomas, a veteran white house correspondent lost everything on the grounds that she essentially said that the jews in israel ought to return to europe. Why? Since these remarks were considered socially unsatisfactory in the general public where they lived: America.

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Re: France To Close Embassies Over Cartoon Publication by antiMuhamad: 9:41am On Apr 23
@krismas they published the blokos of your satanic prophet grin grin grin cheesy I am sure he has such a small dick for Aisha to have cheated on him. grin grin grin may he rot in hell grin grin grin

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