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| Who Is Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 7:10pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
We believe that Jesus Christ is a completely unique (one of a kind) human being. Why? He is the only man who was ever born of a virgin (Matt. 1:18; Luke 1:35). God put a perfect seed in the womb of Mary so that Jesus would be born without the sin nature that every other human being inherited from the First Adam. Therefore, Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God (John 3:16) and the Son of Man (John 5:27). He is the only man who is called “the Last Adam” (1 Cor. 15:45). As the only-begotten Son of God, Jesus was the genetic equivalent to the first “Son of God,” Adam (Luke 3:38). As the only man born without inherent sin, Jesus was thus the only man equipped to be the Savior and Redeemer of mankind. Romans 5:12-21 is the classic comparison of these two Adams and the respective impact each had on mankind. He is the only man who had perfect faith in God, and who, by his free will chooses to trust God, lived a sinless life, always doing the will of his Father (John 8:29). Jesus was not a robot, programmed to obey God. If so, he could not have been genuinely tempted to sin, just like all men he came to save (Heb. 4:15). The absence of a sin nature was not the reason why Jesus did not sin. We know that because the First Adam also had no sin nature, and he sinned royally. He is the only man who died as the perfect sacrifice for our sins (Heb. 10:12-14; 1 John 4:10). By his virgin birth and his lifelong obedience to God, all the way to his dying breath on the Cross, he became the perfect sacrifice for the sin and sins of mankind (Heb. 2:17). Thus, he was the complete propitiation for fallen men to be redeemed. He is the only man God ever raised from the dead unto everlasting life in order to confirm that he was who he had said he was—the Son of God (Acts 17:31; Rom. 1:4). The resurrection of Jesus Christ was God keeping His promise to His Son, and also His affirmation to all men that Jesus is “the way, the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). He is the only man whom God highly exalted as “Lord” and “Head of the Church,” and to whom God has given all authority in heaven and on earth (Dan. 7:13-14; Phil. 2:9; Acts 2:36; Eph. 1:22; Matt. 28:18). As Pharaoh exalted Joseph to his right hand and gave him all authority in Egypt (Gen. 41:37-46), so God has given Jesus functional equality with Himself. Jesus Christ is now God’s “right hand man” (Eph. 1:20), carrying out the work that will eventually restore this fallen world. He is the only man who is now the Mediator between God and mankind (1 Tim. 2:5). It is Jesus Christ to whom God has given the power to “save to the uttermost” all who call upon his name, because he ever lives to make intercession for us (Heb. 7:25). He is the only man who will gather together all Christians to meet him “in the air” (1 Thess. 4:17) and give each one a new body like his own (Phil. 3:21). As the promised “seed” of the woman (Gen. 3:15), Jesus Christ will produce fruit after his kind, a race of people living forever. He is the only man who will one day return to the earth, destroy all evil men (and eventually destroy Satan and his evil spirit cohorts), and rule the earth as King for 1000 years (Rev. 19:11-20:7). At his first coming to the earth to Israel, Jesus was the sacrificial Lamb of God, but he will come again as the Lion of Judah to save his people, Israel, and destroy all God’s enemies. He is the only man who will raise from the dead every human being who has ever lived (John 5:21, 25). As God has given Jesus “life in himself,” so he will raise up all people. He is the only man who will judge all men and women of all time (John 5:22, 27). Jesus will righteously judge all people, granting everlasting life to those who deserve it, and annihilating all the wicked (Acts 17:31; John 5:28, 29). He is the only man who will restore on a new earth the Paradise that the First Adam lost (1 Cor. 15:24-28). As “the Last Adam,” Jesus was God’s Contingency Plan to salvage His original plan that Adam’s disobedience thwarted, that is, a perfect race of people living forever on a perfect earth. Amen. He is the only man who is our Savior, our Redeemer, our Mediator, our Lord, our constant Companion, our Best Friend, our Big Brother, the Light of our lives, our Peace, our Joy, and our Mentor in the art of faith. He is the Lover of our souls, and that is why we love him and confess him as Lord (Rom. 10:9). Source |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by flourishG(m): 7:33pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
frosbel: Are you kidding me  You and who are the "We" that believed Jesus Christ is a completely unique (one of a kind) human being? Jesus Christ is God revealed in the flesh or human form. The quicker you get out of your cult, the better for you and you stop your occult fight against the DEITY OF CHRIST. Go away with your sensual knowledge that is void of the spiritual manifestation of the Holy Scripture. We have heard enough of your recent heresies because you reduced yourself to cut and paste on-line occult articles. You don't even know the people who wrote these occultic articles. All you have to do is cut and paste. Smh for you as you are heading somewhere. 16. Without controversy, the mystery of godliness is great: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen by angels, preached among the nations, believed on in the world, and received up in glory. I Timothy 3, World English Bible. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ijawkid(m): 7:34pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
That's why he is called the GREATEST man who ever lived............ |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 7:38pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
flourishG: And God died, was born, was tempted etc. When Jesus died where did his God part go to ? You guys are just false teachers or deceived sheeple , may God open your eyes. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by flourishG(m): 7:48pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
ijawkid: That's why he is called the GREATEST man who ever lived............ frosbel: Both of you are on the front against the deity of Christ. Kindly answer the questions below: How did the Gospel of Matthew presented Christ How did the Gospel of Mark presented Christ How did the Gospel of Luke presented Christ andHow did the Gospel of John presented Christ Now, this is ONE same person presented to us in four different ways by four different inspired writers. Answer the above questions BOTH OF YOU. Your response will determine if we will continue this thread or not. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 7:49pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
flourishG: It is obvious you guys do not read. Do some study and pray , if 3-gods = 1 god then worship that 3-god god. btw , how can God be his own Son and his own Father You guys are sinking into more confusion. 1 Like |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ijawkid(m): 7:52pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
flourishG: They all presented Jesus as the son of God,which ofcus Jesus is........ They all showed that Jesus was sent and that God is greater than Jesus.... They all showed that Jesus worshipped Yahweh and not himself...... They all showed that Jesus could do nothing of his own originality except what the Father (Yahweh) has told him to do.... You can complete the rest..... 1 Like |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by flourishG(m): 8:16pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
frosbel: As usual, you refused to answer the questions above but rather result to equations. Answer the questions above and stop all this your sensual equations. If you don't understand the God you worship, then you have a problem. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by flourishG(m): 8:23pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
ijawkid: Many times I wonder how people who are entrusted to handle the word are so ignorant of the living Word. You don't even know the simple answer to the simple questions above. How am I even sure to trust anything you say I ask you again, in a clearer tone; the way Matthew presented Jesus is different from the way Mark, Luke and John presented SAME Jesus Christ and listen to your answer stating that, "THEY ALL.....". What an ignorant statement! It means you don't even know how Matthew presented Christ neither do you understand how Luke, Mark and John presented him and you believe you are telling the WHOLE truth and presenting the whole mind of God One more trial for you to answer the question sir. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ijawkid(m): 8:42pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
flourishG: If that answer up there is not enough for u,then put down yours here... They all presented Jesus as Gods Son... Na lie?? |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by flourishG(m): 9:19pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
ijawkid: It very clear that you lack Scriptural credibility. You only pick what suits your sensual interpretation and overlook the other side of the word. The word of God is a two-edged sword. Allow the bible to interpret itself. Since you failed to answer a simple question above, I do not consider it wise to discuss with you further else it will be waste of time knowing from all your previous posts that you belong to the cult of JW. You can continue this thread anytime you answer correctly to the above questions. You can as well take a short vacation and do a little study of Matthew to John and come back to answer the simple question. You will be following blindly if you don't even know the Jesus of the Bible. They that KNOW their God shall be strong and do exploit. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 10:15pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
frosbel: You've sealed your mind and conscience and ironed it up, so much that you dont want to llearn anything new from the scriptures, i realy cannot be of help to you when you've sealed fate by sealing your mind as if u've known all that needed to be known from GEN -REV. I'm only living u with this scripture: Colossians 2:9 New International Version (©1984) For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. I live you wwith that... |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ijawkid(m): 10:37pm On Sep 29, 2012 |
flourishG: You just called me a cultist... Is that how to refer to a brother??... I gave you a perfect answer to your question and u label me a cultist....that I belong to a cult.... So u mean acknowledging Yahweh as the Father and God of Jesus Christ has now made JW's cultists or a cult?? If Jesus isn't the son of God then who is He?? Is he God of son?? Or is Yahweh the son of Jesus Christ?? Oya tell us what those gospels say.....and let's see...... You talked about exploits... What exploits have those who believe in the trinity and its instigators done?? Other than use force to propagate this heretic pagan dogma.... Bring out your points and let's discuss instead of calling me a cultist.... 1 Like |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by tidytim: 2:45pm On Sep 30, 2012 |
According to Jesus, God is strictly one Person, not three. Christians who value Jesus as the supreme revealer of truth should consider his classic words, uttered in a final prayer. "You, Father, are the only one who is truly God" (John 17:3). He defined salvation as belief in that One and only true God, and in himself as the Messiah (John 17:3). It is a serious hijacking of the words of Jesus if one adds to Jesus' creed. For Jesus, his Father is "the one who alone is truly God, the only one who is truly God, the one true God" (see also John 5:44 and Mark 12:29). Those utterances are more than clear. They are without a hint of ambiguity. Yet they have been abandoned by the church bearing the name of Jesus. The church has for centuries, since post-biblical times, defined God as three Persons. Jesus defined God as one Person, the Father. There is a very great difference. That difference calls for extensive rethinking and reform. We cannot risk fragmenting God. Jesus believed and taught strict unitary monotheism. He had never heard of the Trinity - or if he had he rejected it. So should his followers. Centuries later, after church councils had invented iron-clad creeds and imposed them on the faithful, Augustine came face to face with Jesus' definition of God as the "only one who is truly God." What was he to do? The church by then had lost Jesus' creed. It propagated everywhere belief that God was three Persons. That innocent sentence in John 17:3 stated that God was a single Person, not three Persons. Here is Augustine's "solution." He wrote: "The proper order of the words is 'that they may know You and Jesus Christ, the only true God'" (Homilies on John). One can have the words of Jesus on this great issue, or the words of the post-biblical creeds. It is hard to see how one can have both at the same time. Following Jesus means believing his teachings. Jesus' teaching about how many Persons are the One God is really not difficult: "You, Father, are the only true God." Jesus is the Lord Messiah (Luke 2:11; Ps. 110:1), the Son of God (Matt. 16:16), but not the One True God. The word "one" should be clear to all. If anyone has any question about this, let him consult the thousands upon thousands of singular personal pronouns used for God in the Bible. "I," "Me," "Mine," "Myself," "Thee," "Thy," "Thine," "Thyself," "He," "Him," "His," "Himself." All these words, as well as God's proper name Yahweh followed by singular verbs (6700 times), ought to convince the open-minded that God is one Person, not more. And monotheism - belief that God is one - is, according to Jesus, of critical importance (Mark 12:29). Jesus, the Son of God, is the perfect human reflection of the One God, his Father. But he is not God. He is the sinless second Adam and the "prophet to be raised up from the house of Israel" (Deut. 18:15-18). Created and begotten in the womb of his mother under the power of God's spirit, he is designated "Son of God" (Luke 1:35). The idea that he is "eternally begotten" not only has no recognizable meaning in language, but it is false to Scripture. "Eternal generation" contradicts the important biblical fact that the Son of God was begotten "today," not in eternity (Ps. 2:7; cp. Acts 13:33, referring in the latter text to the birth of Jesus. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 6:14pm On Sep 30, 2012 |
tidytim: According to Jesus, God is strictly one Person, not three. Christians who value Jesus as the supreme revealer of truth should consider his classic words, uttered in a final prayer. "You, Father, are the only one who is truly God" (John 17:3). He defined salvation as belief in that One and only true God, and in himself as the Messiah (John 17:3). I have just two questions for you bro, No'1: John 20:28 said: Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God. Now the question is why did'nt he (Jesus) rebuke him for worshiping him? No'2: So are u also saying apostle paul and other apostles of christ who testifies to the fact that Jesus is God are ignorant or not knowledgable enough to have been right. Is it? E.g 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. And many many more, or is it God who himself prophecied in the book of Hebrew 5:5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father and Psalm 2:7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. Or Act 13:33 this are God's very own word, so you can see that christ was begotten in a day and as further explained in the book of Act 13:33 it said that christ was only begotten when he died and rose back to life (Being the first of the firstborn of the dead) meaning he was born from death to life eternal. This might be too huge for you but i pray God help you understand him more. It's just a mystery that can only be revealed to you by God. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 6:14pm On Sep 30, 2012 |
tidytim: According to Jesus, God is strictly one Person, not three. Christians who value Jesus as the supreme revealer of truth should consider his classic words, uttered in a final prayer. "You, Father, are the only one who is truly God" (John 17:3). He defined salvation as belief in that One and only true God, and in himself as the Messiah (John 17:3). I have just two questions for you bro, No'1: John 20:28 said: Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God. Now the question is why did'nt he (Jesus) rebuke him for worshiping him? No'2: So are u also saying apostle paul and other apostles of christ who testifies to the fact that Jesus is God are ignorant or not knowledgable enough to have been right. Is it? E.g 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. And many many more, or is it God who himself prophecied in the book of Hebrew 5:5 So Christ also did not take upon himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father and Psalm 2:7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. Or Act 13:33 this are God's very own word, so you can see that christ was begotten in a day and as further explained in the book of Act 13:33 it said that christ was only begotten when he died and rose back to life (Being the first of the firstborn of the dead) meaning he was born from death to life eternal. This might be too huge for you but i pray God help you understand him more. It's just a mystery that can only be revealed to you by God. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ichuka(m): 1:19pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
@OP He is the Word of God,which is God Himself in the begining that became flesh......Jhn1:1,1:13. -He is our Way,our Truth and our Life..Jhn14:6. -He is our Food and our drink..Jhn6:35. -He is our sight..Jhn8:12. -He is our Hope..1Tim1:1 -He is our Wisdom,our Righteousness, our Sanctification and our Redemption...1Cor1:30. -He is our Salvation..Pslam27:1. -He is our Eternal FATHER...Ish9:6. -our Begining and End is He..Rev19:16. -He is our "I AM"........the Resurrection and the Life,the Way,the Truth,and the Life,the Bread of life and the Light of Life,the Alpha and the Omega,the First and the Last,the Bright morning Star.....Exd3:14,Jhn8:58. -He is the Life-Given Spirit(the HolySpirit) in us..Roms15:45. -And all things were created by Him,through Him and for Him..Rom11:36.(for He is the evidence/reality of the existence of God,for without Him,any attribute of God is a fraud and powerless,because He is the very God Himself!!!) |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 1:35pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
i.chuka: Matthew 4:10: "Jesus said to him,'Away from me, Satan! For it is written: "Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only."'" John 17:3: "Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent." 1Corinthians 8:5-6: "For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords" ), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" James 2:19: "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder." So tell me Mr. Chuka, how can you mathematically make 1 = 3 and vice versa Can you kindly write the equation you used to derive such a conclusion to allow us have a go at this most mysterious task ! |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ichuka(m): 6:37pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
frosbel: Friend the Holyspirit is our only teacher..1Jhn2:27.so if you are truely a christain,just ask Him to put you through. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 6:38pm On Oct 01, 2012 |
i.chuka: You Trinitarians are one track minded, just like the Muslims evidence means nothing to you. Jesus is not GOD , period. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 10:58pm On Oct 02, 2012 |
frosbel: And why did'nt any of you answer my previous question? |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ichuka(m): 12:29am On Oct 03, 2012 |
frosbel: Friend,what you seek is argument and that you can't get from me in the issue concerning the Divinity of Jesus.because one can't argue/reason his way into the Kingdom of God,we are only born into the Kingdom. Seems some folks are like Nicodemus who thought he can reason/argue himself into God's Kingdom. I wonder why some christains are not SEEING Him and His Kingdom...Ish6:1-2. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 6:02pm On Oct 04, 2012 |
[size=15pt] You know, it amazes me what spirit is realy at work in the life of some christians, the holy i know would first of all teach you the basics about the kingdom of God before even furging ahead to teach you about life's mysteries, but that's not the case with so many believers now adays, it seems they are baptised with strange spirit as rightfully predicted in the bible by both prophets and apostles and even Jesus christ himself that on the last day many would be decieved and many would be baptised with strange spirit and fire other than that which christ promised and i think i'm seeing this happening right before my eyes in my generation. The first thing the holy spirit would teach a believer who truly just gave his or her life to christ is to first unvail the mystery of the Godhead, the problem is just that most of you think you can access God of the heavenlies without his spirit or by relying of your logical reasoning, well God will never reveal his mysteries to mere men except his children (The True Born Again) Now, my question is this: In Gen 1:26 which states - Then God said, let us create man in our image and after our likeness. Now the question here is who was God refering to when he said let us create man in our own image? Well i guess John 1:1 answers it all, it is only hidden to those who think they can find God by being logical. John 1:1 as Quoted - In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 He created everything there is. Nothing existed that he did'nt make. Life itself was in him and this life gives light to everyone. verse 10 But although the world was made through him, the world did'nt recognize him when he came. 11 Even in his own land and among his own people, he was not accepted. verses 14 so the word became human and lived here on earth among us. He was full of unfailing love and faithfulness and we have seen his glory, the glory of the only begothen son of the Father. is'nt this self-explanatery enough? Or do you want me to start giving you scriptural backings where Jesus was quoted testifying the the fact that he's God? [/size] |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 6:26pm On Oct 04, 2012 |
John 10:30 - 30 The Father and I are one. 31 Once again The Jewish Leaders Picked Up Stones To Kill Him. 32 Jesus Said, At my father's direction i have done many things to help the people so for which oof this good deeds Are You Killing Me? 33 They replied, not for any good works but for blasphemy, because you are just a mere man but have made yourself God. So is'nt the avove self explanatery enough also? And when you say Jesus Is Lord, what significance does it mean to you |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ichuka(m): 11:08am On Oct 05, 2012 |
@Joe4Christ. Some people argue blindly because they have not seen,and seeing personally is just the begining of the life of a christain.our Lord Jesus Christ told nicodemus that inorder 4him to SEE he have to be born again(Jhn3:3). Even Isaiah(Ish6:1) that's not even a Christain then saw our Lord Jesus Christ sitted on His Throne highly exalted. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by Nobody: 11:41am On Oct 05, 2012 |
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| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by ichuka(m): 2:43pm On Oct 05, 2012 |
[quote author=frosbel] [/quote @Frosbel Have you ever heard of a Kingdom with two Thrones? |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by joe4christ(m): 3:33pm On Oct 05, 2012 |
[size=15pt] Could someone reading this please help me explain what the scriptures in colossians 2:9 and colossians 1:19 was talking about? I'll be glad if anyone could help me cure my ignorance. Lol! [/size] |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by okeyxyz(m): 6:31pm On Oct 05, 2012 |
WHo is Jesus Christ? He is the Son of God. Therefore, the son of god has to be god, He has the same quality and size as his father. Why would there be a reference to a father if not that there is a son. Yes, they are the same God, not the same persons, but the father "begats" the son. God the father has passed his "genes" 100 percent to the son and that makes him different from a servant/slave, He is the same make-up as the Father. A person who clearly disregards natural law/principle/logic cannot understand the godhead. The genetic relationship between @frosbel and his biological father, or a Lion that has fathered another lion, that is the same relationship between God the Father & God the Son. Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. So I ask: what is the natural relationship between Father & Son and why cannot the same relationship apply to God the Father & God the Son? |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by okeyxyz(m): 6:38pm On Oct 05, 2012 |
Did he not say: Let us make man in our own image & likeness...(Genesis 1:26)? Therefore our "natural" relationships of Father & Son should reflect that of God too. |
| Re: Who Is Jesus Christ? by okeyxyz(m): 6:46pm On Oct 05, 2012 |
For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit(John 3:34) Since God is a Spirit, and the one To whom God has given his spirit without measure/limit, has such a person not become equal to God?? |
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