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TroGunn:

The part of 1 John 5:7 that you quoted is generally regarded as not part of the Bible - it's missing in older manuscripts so it was likely added by Catholic controled translation to buttress the Trinity doctrine. Most modern Bible translations, rightly remove these text - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

According to the Bible, Jesus existed before being born on earth so the creation account likely referred to him. It does not make him equal to God. It's clear from the Scriptures that Jesus is subordinate to God. There is only one Almighty God.

"rightly remove these text" and u call your book word of God. What was the status of the words before they were "rightly" removed - word of God or word of man? U hav inadvertently expose d falacy in ur "word of God" - a book which man can choose to remove portions or revise as he pleases - can that be word of God?

we are here on earth beneath the sun and the moon..The sun earth and moon,obvious trinity by the naked eye when looking to heaven...Body ,mind and spirit,another trinity....THE GOOD THE BAD AND THE uGLY.....its just every where

i think the best question to ask is what is the name of the true God? Because Lord, God, King, Father are not names but title , remember president, chairman, lawyer, are not names but title and rank.

Hebrews 1:8... But unto the SON, He saith, Thy throne o God is forever and ever
Titus 2:13... Looking for the blessed hope, and d glorious appearing of the[b] GREAT GOD[/b] and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST
John 20:28... Thomas saith unto him(Jesus), my LORD and my GOD
John 1:1... And the WORD was GOD
John 1:14... The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us

Appearance of God in d old testament was actually CHRIST

Remember when d 3 angels visited Abraham, 2 of dem were sent 2 save Lot. D last one was Lord(Christ). Pls read Genesis 19:24... And the[b] LORD[/b](on earth) rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the[b] LORD[/b] out of heaven

God the Father said in Zechariah 13:7... Awake, O sword against[b] my Shepherd(Christ)[/b], Against the Man that is MY FELLOW(Companion)...The father called Christ my FELLOW(MATE)

YES FATHER ND SON RE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY RE UNITED AS ONE. WE WORSHIP GOD, CHRIST IS ALSO WORSHIPPED

CHRIST SHARES ALL ATTRIBUTES OF GOD... THE 1ST AND D LAST... ANCIENT OF DAYS... EVERLASTING...WASN'T CREATED, BUT HE IS D CREATOR OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE COLOSSIANS 3:16


JUST BECAUSE OF HIS HUMILITY, MANY ARE SAYING TRASH...
WAIT TILL U SEE HIM ON THE JUDGEMENT THRONE COS HE WILL JUDGE BOTH D LIVING AND D DEAD.




THE HOLY SPIRIT SHARES THE SAME ATTRIBUTES WITH THEM. IN MY NEXT COMMENT, U WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT HIM.

THEY ARE 3 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WHO HAVE AND SHARE THE SAME VISION AND MISSION. YET, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD

A GREAT MYSTERY THAT IS BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION

mu2sa2: "rightly remove these text" and u call your book word of God. What was the status of the words before they were "rightly" removed - word of God or word of man? U hav inadvertently expose d falacy in ur "word of God" - a book which man can choose to remove portions or revise as he pleases - can that be word of God?

Do you read at all.

Most versions do not contain this ambiguity, 99% of all translations with the exception of the KJV omit this passage.

The Bible is the WORD of GOD 100% when read honestly , truthfully and with the understanding granted by the Spirit of GOD.

Debroslink: Hebrews 1:8... But unto the SON, He saith, Thy throne o God is forever and ever
Titus 2:13... Looking for the blessed hope, and d glorious appearing of the[b] GREAT GOD[/b] and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST
John 20:28... Thomas saith unto him(Jesus), my LORD and my GOD
John 1:1... And the WORD was GOD
John 1:14... The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us

Appearance of God in d old testament was actually CHRIST

Remember when d 3 angels visited Abraham, 2 of dem were sent 2 save Lot. D last one was Lord(Christ). Pls read Genesis 19:24... And the[b] LORD[/b](on earth) rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the[b] LORD[/b] out of heaven

God the Father said in Zechariah 13:7... Awake, O sword against[b] my Shepherd(Christ)[/b], Against the Man that is MY FELLOW(Companion)...The father called Christ my FELLOW(MATE)

YES FATHER ND SON RE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY RE UNITED AS ONE. WE WORSHIP GOD, CHRIST IS ALSO WORSHIPPED

CHRIST SHARES ALL ATTRIBUTES OF GOD... THE 1ST AND D LAST... ANCIENT OF DAYS... EVERLASTING...WASN'T CREATED, BUT HE IS D CREATOR OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE COLOSSIANS 3:16


JUST BECAUSE OF HIS HUMILITY, MANY ARE SAYING TRASH...
WAIT TILL U SEE HIM ON THE JUDGEMENT THRONE COS HE WILL JUDGE BOTH D LIVING AND D DEAD.




THE HOLY SPIRIT SHARES THE SAME ATTRIBUTES WITH THEM. IN MY NEXT COMMENT, U WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT HIM.

THEY ARE 3 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WHO HAVE AND SHARE THE SAME VISION AND MISSION. YET, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD

A GREAT MYSTERY THAT IS BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION

Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD and not GOD himself, please do not continue to blaspheme !

People would call me mad when I said things like, “in your Bible there are added verses to support your trinity theory.” Christians say oh he’s crazy, or he’s mad. Christians claim that a trinity exists in the Bible, when it doesn’t. I repeat, yes, you can find the words “the father, the word, and the Holy Ghost and these three are one” in 1 John 5:7-9 in any version of the Bible. However if you were to consult the original manuscript of the original Aramic or Syriac Bible, you would find that these words don’t exist and that they were added in. If your preacher, teacher, minister, pastor,deacon or any other religious leader really cared, he would take time out to research the original language, rather than rely on poor translations. If they knew how to translate from the original Syriac (Arabic) and Galilean Arabic, the verse 1 John 5:7 that you are familiar with today did not exist. Neither did it exist in the original Hebrew and Greek that were translated from these original languages. It wasn’t until the onset of the Roman Catholic Church that this distortion was made. The Roman Catholics inserted the trinity verse when they tranlated the bible from Greek to Latin. Notice I say “inserted” and not “translated” because, as I already said, the original Greek did not have this verse. However, you will find some Greek translations that have been translated from Latin or English, and it is in these Greek translations that you will find either the whole trinity verse or only a portion of it.

1 John 5:7 is surrounded in controversy because there are two versions of this verse. So-called scholars say the verse used in most bibles today is either not the original verse, or they say that it is only partially genuine. These so-called scholars continue to argue back and forth on this subject because they really don’t want to admit that the trinity really has no basis in the teachings of Jesus.

I will refer to the Holy Bible from Ancient Manuscripts by George M. Lamsa, which is a bible that is translated from the original Aramic or Syriac language :

6 This is he who came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ, not by water only, but by water and blood.
7 And the Spirit testifies that that very Spirit is the truth.
8 And there are three to bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three are one.

When you read 1 John 5:7 in your standard bible, which in this case is the Ryrie Study Bible (King James Version). . . you will read this:

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Do you see what happened?? . . . You will find that the original verse 5:7, has been actually pushed up to merge with verse 5:6.

Muslims were not wrong all the way. . .for GOD is ONE no one is equal with him

tintingz: Muslims were not wrong all the way. . .for GOD is ONE no one is equal with him

You believe that there is one God. That's fine! Even the demons believe that and tremble with fear - James 2:19

believing in ONE GOD is not = SALVATION.

You can believe in one GOD and still miss the mark.

What is at the heart of the gospel is that ' God loved the world so much that he gave us his only SON Jesus Christ , that whoever believes in him will not perish but have life everlasting.'

[size=18pt]The equation of the Holy Trinity is 1x1x1=1.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

~ 1 John 5:7 (King James Version)

On the WORD.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3

King James Version (KJV)

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Orikinla: [size=18pt]The equation of the Holy Trinity is 1x1x1=1.

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

~ 1 John 5:7 (King James Version)[/size]

lol


so it's no more 1 + 1 + 1

The verse you quoted though bogus means nothing and does not support your 3-god god theory.

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Jesus wen on earth said his father was greater than he his. If he was the same as God, then who was he referring to then. Dont 4get d fact dat trinity is not a biblical teaching. It's a late 4th century dogma which originate from pagan doctrine.the encyclopedia britainnica(1970), volume 6, page 386.the council at Nicaea met on May 20,325 C.E. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussion, and personally proposed ... The crucial formular expressing d relation of christ to God in d creed issued by d council, of one substance with the father.......overawed by d emperor, d bishops, with ty exceptions only, signed d creed, many of them much against their inclination.

frosbel:

lol


so it's no more 1 + 1 + 1

The verse you quoted though bogus means nothing and does not support your 3-god god theory.

It was never 1 + 1 + 1.
That is wrong calculation of the Holy Trinity and wrong math too.

frosbel:


Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD and not GOD himself, please do not continue to blaspheme !

What does it mean then when you say Jesus is the "Son of God"? What does the appellation "Son of God" really mean?
This title has been used in the bible for other people too. Is it the same when used for Jesus too?

a) What is the relationship between God and the Son of God?
b) Is/ Was Jesus a man?
c) Is he a Prophet?
d) Is Jesus a divine being?

And most importantly..

d) Did he have a beginning? Was he in existence with God before everything was created? Did God create the Jesus?

I'm interested to have your views on these issues :-).

joexzite :
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Jesus wen on earth said his father was greater than he his. If he was the same as God, then who was he referring to then. Dont 4get d fact dat trinity is not a biblical teaching. It's a late 4th century dogma which originate from pagan doctrine.the encyclopedia britainnica(1970), volume 6, page 386.the council at Nicaea met on May 20,325 C.E. Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussion, and personally proposed ... The crucial formular expressing d relation of christ to God industry creed issued by d council, of one substance with the father.......overawed by d emperor, d bishops, with ty exceptions only, signed d creed, many of them much against their inclination.

[size=28pt]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

~ 1 John 5:7 (King James Version)[/size]

ok maybe u didnt see my first post,pls explain this
'And great nd important nd weighty we confess is d hidden truth (the mystic secret) of Godliness,He (God) was made visible in human flesh,justified (vindicated in the (holy) spirit,was seen by angels,preached among d nations, believed on in d world nd taken up in glory 1 Timothy 3:16

Orikinla:

[size=13pt]For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

~ 1 John 5:7 (King James Version)[/size]

If this is the only verse that supports the Trinity ,then you must admit, it is nowhere else mentioned in the bible and is therefore decontexualised from the whole scripture and marked null and void.

What we need to prove the Trinity is not a few scattered and cherrry picked verses, we need consistent evidence from the old testament to the new.

Also it might help if you can show us scripture where GOD says he is ONE.

The bible told us that GOD SAID'' LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IN IMAGE''(US and OUR) this means dat they were other persons wit him GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. Is not everything dat pple will know coz dats y he is God. Some tins r review 2 few wise ones. There r tins Pope John paul died witout findin answers 2 d question. If we no all he will cease 2 b God. TRINITY

IbrahimB:

What does it mean then when you say Jesus is the "Son of God"? What does the appellation "Son of God" really mean?
This title has been used in the bible for other people too. Is it the same when used for Jesus too?

a) What is the relationship between God and the Son of God?
b) Is/ Was Jesus a man?
c) Is he a Prophet?
d) Is Jesus a divine being?

And most importantly..

d) Did he have a beginning? Was he in existence with God before everything was created? Did God create the Jesus?

I'm interested to have your views on these issues :-).

Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD begotten without a father, directly by the POWER of the Spirit of the Living GOD.

In answer to your other questions :

1. God is the father of Jesus Christ
2. Yes, JESUS was a MAN
3. Yes he is also a Prophet as confirmed prophetically by Moses.
4. Jesus Christ inherits his divinity from the Father.

For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you - Acts 3:22

nwabuife: The bible told us that GOD SAID'' LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR OWN IN IMAGE''(US and OUR) this means dat they were other persons wit him GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY SPIRIT. Is not everything dat pple will know coz dats y he is God. Some tins r review 2 few wise ones. There r tins Pope John paul died witout findin answers 2 d question. If we no all he will cease 2 b God. TRINITY

Wrong.

US does not mean 3, US could mean 100.

FROSBEL AM GETING AGITATED EXPLAIN 1 TIMOTHY 3 :16 HV QUOTED IT ABOUE IN THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE PLS EXPLAIN IT AS SUCH

God is not and never will be three. He is ONE God. Please, no one should misquote what the Catholic Church teaches. I may not worship with them anymore but I debated this question even as a child during cathecism. There is only one God. The Father, the creator has the His spoken word made flesh (Jesus Christ) while the Holy Spirit is the comforter sent to minister to and interceed for us after Christ was taken up to heaven. They are one in Godness, holiness and purity but distinct persons with different characteristics.

SYMBOLISM''Let 'us' make man in our own image. Baptist them in NAME OF THE FATHER, SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT.

nwabuife: SYMBOLISM''Let 'us' make man in our own image. Baptist them in NAME OF THE FATHER, SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT.

who are the US and how many ?

la cosa nostra: FROSBEL AM GETING AGITATED EXPLAIN 1 TIMOTHY 3 :16 HV QUOTED IT ABOUE IN THE AMPLIFIED BIBLE PLS EXPLAIN IT AS SUCH

Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great:

He appeared in the flesh,
was vindicated by the Spirit,[a]
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.

This is talking about JESUS .

joe4christ:

I only have one question for you all.
Why then do you refer to Jesus as Lord when the scripture clearly stated that there is only one lord God

And what do you have against this part of the scripture out of many other which clearly stated:

[size=15pt]Philipians 2:5-11
5 Your attitude should be the same that christ Jesus had
6 Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his right as God.
7 He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a slave and appeared in human form.
8 And in human form he obidiently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross.
9 Because of this, God raised him up to the heights of heaven and gave him a name that is above every other name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow , in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (PLURAL) to the glory of God the father. [/size]
Or should i still quote Colossians 1:19 or should i ultimately nail it all by quoting thus:
Colossians 2:9 [size=15pt] For in Christ the fullness of God lives in a human body [/size]

what more should i quote there a numerous of them right here before me, but u cannot see cos u've been blinded to this mystery, or need i quote prophet isaiah who prophecied hundreds of years before christ his nature?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born and unto us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his NAME (Singular) shall be called wonderful, councellor, the mighty God (Plural), the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

or should i still maybe shock u a bit incase u forgot the 'popular verse u've always memorized as a child in sunday school back in those days'
[size=15pt]mathew 1:23[/size] Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son,
and he will be called EMMANUEL (Meaning God is with us)

But if after reading all this you still do not believe Jesus is God which he undeniably is, then i can only advice you to atleast hold on to the believe that he is the son of God, but the truth remains that there is a level you will never go with him without knowing who he really is.
God bless you.
Joe4christ!!!

Oh Lord Jesus, dis case is closed! U were so ON POINT!!!! A million kudos 2u brother, keep d oil flowin!

Go into the world baptising them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit. Note the use of conjunction and qualifier the in the above scriptural passage. The entities are distinct

frosbel:

Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD begotten without a father, directly by the POWER of the Spirit of the Living GOD.

In answer to your other questions :

1. God is the father of Jesus Christ
For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you - Acts 3:22

What does it mean when you say God is the father of Jesus Christ? Biblically, God is also our father. Do we also inherit divinity from God?
You've also not answered my last question.

FROSBL CAN U PLS USE THE AMPLIFIED VERSION THEN CONTRAST WITH D KING JAMES VERSION I WILL QUOTE MY OWN AMPLIFIED VERSION

Debroslink: Hebrews 1:8... But unto the SON, He saith, Thy throne o God is forever and ever
Titus 2:13... Looking for the blessed hope, and d glorious appearing of the[b] GREAT GOD[/b] and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST
John 20:28... Thomas saith unto him(Jesus), my LORD and my GOD
John 1:1... And the WORD was GOD
John 1:14... The WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us

Appearance of God in d old testament was actually CHRIST

Remember when d 3 angels visited Abraham, 2 of dem were sent 2 save Lot. D last one was Lord(Christ). Pls read Genesis 19:24... And the[b] LORD[/b](on earth) rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, from the[b] LORD[/b] out of heaven

God the Father said in Zechariah 13:7... Awake, O sword against[b] my Shepherd(Christ)[/b], Against the Man that is MY FELLOW(Companion)...The father called Christ my FELLOW(MATE)

YES FATHER ND SON RE DIFFERENT, BUT THEY RE UNITED AS ONE. WE WORSHIP GOD, CHRIST IS ALSO WORSHIPPED

CHRIST SHARES ALL ATTRIBUTES OF GOD... THE 1ST AND D LAST... ANCIENT OF DAYS... EVERLASTING...WASN'T CREATED, BUT HE IS D CREATOR OF ALL THINGS VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE COLOSSIANS 3:16


JUST BECAUSE OF HIS HUMILITY, MANY ARE SAYING TRASH...
WAIT TILL U SEE HIM ON THE JUDGEMENT THRONE COS HE WILL JUDGE BOTH D LIVING AND D DEAD.




THE HOLY SPIRIT SHARES THE SAME ATTRIBUTES WITH THEM. IN MY NEXT COMMENT, U WILL KNOW MORE ABOUT HIM.

THEY ARE 3 DIFFERENT PERSONALITIES WHO HAVE AND SHARE THE SAME VISION AND MISSION. YET, THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD

A GREAT MYSTERY THAT IS BEYOND HUMAN COMPREHENSION

God bless you bro, you've indeed nailed it, i only have few more contributions ti make,

frosbel:


GOD is ONE , stop dividing HIM.

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

I only have one question for you all.
Why then do you refer to Jesus as Lord when the scripture clearly stated that there is only one lord God

And what do you have against this part of the scripture out of many other which clearly stated:

[size=15pt]Philipians 2:5-11
5 Your attitude should be the same that christ Jesus had
6 Though he was God, he did not demand and cling to his right as God.
7 He made himself nothing; he took the humble position of a slave and appeared in human form.
8 And in human form he obidiently humbled himself even further by dying a criminal's death on a cross.
9 Because of this, God raised him up to the heights of heaven and gave him a name that is above every other name,
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow , in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord (PLURAL) to the glory of God the father. [/size]
Or should i still quote Colossians 1:19 or should i ultimately nail it all by quoting thus:
Colossians 2:9 [size=15pt] For in Christ the fullness of God lives in a human body [/size]

what more should i quote there a numerous of them right here before me, but u cannot see cos u've been blinded to this mystery, or need i quote prophet isaiah who prophecied hundreds of years before christ his nature?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born and unto us a son is given and the government shall be upon his shoulder and his NAME (Singular) shall be called wonderful, councellor, the mighty God (Plural), the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

or should i still maybe shock u a bit incase u forgot the 'popular verse u've always memorized as a child in sunday school back in those days'
[size=15pt]mathew 1:23[/size] Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son,
and he will be called EMMANUEL (Meaning God is with us)

But if after reading all this you still do not believe Jesus is God which he undeniably is, then i can only advice you to atleast hold on to the believe that he is the son of God, but the truth remains that there is a level you will never go with him without knowing who he really is.
God bless you.
Joe4christ!!!