please let us know your opinion.

i am looking at him based on the third term moves, i think he is more confussed than controversal.

what do you think?

If he succeds in amendment and goes for third term, he will die in office like abacha as simple as that. I know he is not a female freak like sani abacha but other means will be explored by the evil men to kill him. Babangida has warned and pleaded with him to not run again but he has refused becasue maybe his underground needs has not been meet and he goes on to tell everyone that his reason for showing intrest is to full his corruption campaingn. I think that is nonsense. He should save himself some respect by going down of face dead plots. I know this for sure becasue it will happen.

If you ask me, i would say obasanjo is niether controversial nor confused, he's only a stupid man, the stupid and the greedy man he has always been. we have heard the world best president in Bill Clinton and just because the constitution has to be respected, he left just after the end of his tenure. but for someone like obasanjo to seek for an extension is best describe as a fly who sucks in a palm wine and refuses to leave until it dies so if he so wish to die in that office he should go for the third term. one head cannot be better than 150million heads. he should give someone else a chance rather than die with all his reforms programmes even though most of the reform is for his own benefit alone and we must all know that what ever reforms that does not make a positive impact directly on the common man is not a reform but a curse. if we must make things happen in this country, its high time we send all this old ppl commot for our govt and give young brains a chance.

You know what amazes me? Nigerians abraod who sit there, make their money and have a fulfilled time and yet propagate for Obasanjo to remain as President as the contestants so far aren't credible. Read from the BBC some comments from some Nigerians and u'll weep for the so -called citizens of our land. A man has ruled Nigeria for 11 years and yet has done nothing to improve her fortunes is been encouraged to run again? are we mad people. Even a donkey will resist been pushed after years of aggression on it!
It's pathetic. I weep for Nigeria, honestly , if people who claim to be educated and exposed can think like this, then how will Nigeria move forward? someone was saying that the north has ruled Nigeria for 36years? ethnic sentiments again? ok How about the Ibos, the Niger-deltans, the Edo's, The Nupe's, The Urhorbos, the Efik's, the Gwari's? Stupid Nigerians wont just drop nepotism and gear for the country to move forward. we always worry for someone from our clan to be the leaders, inspite of his inability to lead.
Shame on anyone supoorting this agenda. The Lord watches!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4907768.stm

Greediness is not abad thing citibank, microsoft and other big insutition do it in a way that while they earn their billions, everyone is benefiting from it. Even in that nigeria, globacom is expanding to india now and that is all beign greedy in a positive way. Other wise glo could have stayed in nigeria alone.

However when it comes to politics, when it comes to the primary needs of people, Its should not be applied. Why was atiku having problem in PDP?? SImple, the same greedy being applied wrongly by the evil men of nigeria. Why was
Chris UBA fighting to take out ngige? So he can get his elephant share of anambra peoples money, WHy are we doing this? why?? I feel like crying about this thing . All of them should dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

How can you tell me to pray for a man who has done nothing but cause more trouble and havoc to this country in disguise? a man who have willingly refused to make our refineries work just because he has a refinery abroad? a Man who has financed,built and approved his own university in disguise? a man who have loaned fortunes out to ghana and sao tome in diguise so that he can go and collect the loan whenever he feels like? a man who have spoken so well about the paris club as if nigeria can ever be debt free from financial institution abroad? a man who has designed his own dog to chase who ever is not in support of his ambition? a man whom corruption has taken over his family and everything about him? a man who has protected his own people such as bode george and mantu from being probed and yet he exposed tafa balogun as if he is the only thief in our society? Abeg when you find some one reliable and some one credible that i should pray 4 please let me know jere bcus i am not ready to waste my prayer on just any body.

i'm a Nigerian but i haven't lived in the country for about 6-7 years so i'm not at the fore-front of all the palava, and from what i've heard from friends and ppl on this forum, Nigeria doesn't seem to be getting better, for the people anyway.

As for controversal or confused, i think the Obasanjo is Calculating.

Yes he's been in office for 7 years and not much has changed for the people, some even say it's gotten worse. Did anyone Know that Nigeria's Debt to the IMF has been forgiven? over $30billion. this happened recently and it was a long process. Also, he's been doing a lot of PR with the UN and Nigeria is gaining more favor with the international world.

I believe the world is slowly becoming a global community and the more allies u have the better.

with that said i think this third term issue is ludacris, i believe he has slowly, very slowly started paving the way for a better Nigeria, even tho the progress hasn't trickled down to the masses yet, but the economy of Nigeria will slowly improve with the debt erased, and international favoring, also, Nigeria has many investment opportunities for international business which will come about soon.

it's like a pyramid it has to get better from the top down, people would like to believe that the sign of a good economy is when everyone is rich, however, everyone can only do well if the economy is doing well. take the US for example, the most powerful country in the world (in theory anyway) back in the days of Clinton life was good, but now that the economy is becoming shitty, you have more angry people and problems. I digress,

I think a third term is blatant abuse of the constitution and power, however, it is going to happen if we don't do anything about it. as i mentioned earlier, Obasanjo is in the favor of the international world so all he has to say is that he's started on the progress and bringing in someone new may not be the best thing for Nigeria in the sense that it may bring us back to Square one,

we have to understand that it is up to Us Nigerians to take a stand, that's what democracy is about. exactly what needs to be done, i don't know, but I know for sure, Something needs to be done.

P.S: to Danmasani most Nigerian's Abroad don'r just "sit there, make their money and have a funfilled time" as u so eloquently put it, we're here working our asses off just to get by, it is so not a bed of roses, as most Nigerian's in naija think it is.

You have spoken well but if you must know what is truly going on here then come back to naija and pratically live here like a true citizen, live here and feel the pain rather live outside and campaign for what you think is right. 150million heads cannot be wrong. you talk of what you read in the news like you dont know there are things like policy statements. well i would advice you make no contribution even though you are free to make one than see what is good about debt relief. come and tell me of what advantage it is to borrow money from mr A inorder to pay Mr. B's debts. does that make you a freeman. Nigeria is under developed and the whole world understands. as far as me i am concerned. debt relief is bound to come and no be only naija get the relief it wasfor all africa so even if the seatof the president was empty they would still grant us debt relief. obj has done things his own way. he needs give room for someone else.

call your folks n freinds in naija let them tell you whats really going on here. their is more to it than all that you have just said. inshort there's nopoint for obj to come again. he should just go and die in his otta farm.

he aint confused, he is just the same stubborn ,mr know all we have known since 1999.as for me i want to know at what price he wants to pursue his ambition. epecially now the govs want their own piece of the action

hi Ashiwaju, if u took the time to read what i have said, i agree with u on the whole third term issue, " i think it is ludacris and an abuse of power." also, i see frustration in ur tone and it also sound like u know what u're talking about, i will like to point out that we are on the same side of this argument.

with that said, I consider myself a true Nigerian whether or not i'm in the country at the moment, infact, i believe the fact that i'm not in the country gives me an objective point of view. because i don't directly feel the impact of the situation, i can objectively separate logic from emotion, a lot of Naija's in naija are speaking from a place of frustration and they just want to see some change.

in my earlier post, i said "we have to understand that it is up to us Nigerians to take a stand,  that's what democracy is about. exactly what needs to be done, i don't know,  but I know for sure, Something needs to be done." This is my main point.

you just watch,Obj is too wise  a man to go for a third term.he's just trying to see/hear or know what Nigerians think. he's a personification of confusion[b][/b].

The idiot is extending 3rd term to governors as a proposal to surport him, Are we democratice at all?

Spelling, people, spelling.

CONFUSSED?

Try[i] confused[/i].

My Dear Solonge. i am sorry if i got you wrong bcus i didnt really take the time to read thru. well if you say i sent that message with a lot of frustration in my tone yes you are right because you need to see how people suffer in this country because of their so called delegate and because of the so called reforms. that man is a total failure. a farmer who plants and sell out all his harvest without remaining or reserving any thing for his family and when he needs to eat he goes out to buy garri in much higher price. i just see no sense in it atall. a man who has 17 wives and one thousand and one children to feed. he is a stupid man and he is never ashamed. he makes it look like the whole of nigerians has no sense in their head. he is stupid and he is making us all look stupid. he has to go or die. and we wont miss him atall. although if you ask me about a credible successor well i dont know but i would rather prefer someone like bola tinubu. thats by the way. obj should sha leave and stop talking about needing someone to continue from where he stopped. a man like festus (MD NBL) and Soludo would support obj simply because he has invested most of all he stole in their private purse. they should all rot with the fani kayode because i see no good in them.

Very good thread.

Danmasani: Irrespective of where people stay, their take on issues and obviously their political perceptions do not necessarily change. As someone rightly put it: “if you are a lizard in Onitsha, you will remain a lizard in New York”.
So if you have read some Nigerians living outside Nigeria who are stating their unequivocal and somewhat uninformed support to a criminal amendment in the constitution to allow a third term, it is not because they necessarily understand the environment they are living in or even support the principles that have held those societies. Some people live in the UK, USA or wherever and they are still as unenlightened as they have ever been.

Likewise, please… not everyone living outside the shores of Nigeria are necessarily living a fun-filled life as you have mentioned. That is a cliché that has been sold to a lot of people over the years. It is a steep curve out here if you must know. But I believe the import of this thread is not about that.

Asiwaju: Please do not forget that a lot of us who live outside the country do go home often and we tend to compare the situation of things prior to leaving the shores of the country and the prevailing scenario when we go back home. We are as informed as you can imagine about the tough scenario in Nigeria. It is the more disheartening for a lot of us who know that our host societies are not as endowed as Nigeria is… and yet, we are all scuppering to these places. The obvious question is why? I particular like your passion about this whole third term abracadabra but having said that we need to remain objective about political issues. That objectivity is one the greatest lapses in our socio-political system.

Back to the main discourse: I believe OBJ represents the worst that has been produced (and is still being churned out) by the Nigerian society. A society bereft of selfless individuals will always produce the likes of OBJ. A society where self matters more at all times will always produce the likes of him. He is not confused; he is only living to type.
As my Yoruba people say though “Ara won lon se” which means they are undoing themselves. The people who are his greatest supporters today will all live to reap the fruits of the discordance they are creating in society.

I find it very ludicrous (watch it is not ludacris) when people talk about the reforms that have been achieved by OBJ as a reason for him to continue. Yes, there have been macro-economic reforms that have been jump-started by the current administration, but it is only intellectual neophytes like Ahmadu Alli and Ojo Maduekwe who can talk on national TV and ascribe those as the reasons why OBJ should continue in government. Arrant nonsense! A nation is not built just around a personality or a particular set of reforms.

I have mentioned a number of times that those reforms where actually part of the mandate given to OBJ in 1999.He was given a mandate to put us back on a trajectory to national rediscovery; not  himself as the solution to our national woes. He can not even be the solution as he is one of the midwives of our national disaster. He has delivered what he can on that, it is time to go and give the baton to someone who will carry on the race from there.

It is even the funnier when people mention the lack of credible people to aspire to the Presidency. I wonder what political parties are about? Political positions are necessarily not about the persons occupying them but the beliefs shared by a group of people who control political power. The occupier of that post is just a representative of that group and could be removed on that note at any point in time if he stops sharing those same beliefs.
If the PDP (as the so-termed dominant political party) can not produce within its fold another “credible” person to aspire in 2007, then it should stop recognising itself as a political party but a “club of rodents” on the Nigerian system.
Political contests are fought on platforms everywhere in the world, so anyone should be able to fight for the Presidency from any party.

Let us back up to the USA a bit, we all remember that Bill Clinton was and still remains a political icon; in fact one of the best presidents the USA had in the last century, but when his time came up, he had to leave to allow for constitutional provisions. Is OBJ comparable to Clinton on any front?
OBJ should just leave peacefully and prepare for life out of power. He would even be more useful to Nigeria in that capacity.

@ jibitoye, you are indeed a true naija who knows exatcly what to say in situations like this no. 1 PDP is no longer a party and thats is why it is not people's democratic party any longer and you hear people now call them "people deceiving people" its no longer a party its just a campaign group and for as long as pdp is concerned, no credible rep would come out of it. if you look closely at all the PDP rulling states and constituencies you would see that they have done nothing but cause more harm to the people. aside gbenga daniel who is directly an agent to obasanjo who works to please his baba every other pdp govt. has messed up and i am not saying any political party is credible but i just look forward to what ACD has instock for the people even though the party was created out of anger and i just hope to see, now that bola tunubu intends to merge with them with the likes of Atiku,Md Yusuf,Gimbo Mohamed and so on. let just wait and see. but OBJ his a man who likes deceits and he never wants to hear the truth for as long as you support him you are free from his DOGS (EFFC). but if you dear say , about him then you should be ready for a hot chase. I am happy to see that some naija out there are not doing bad and they are updated.

solange:

hi Ashiwaju, if u took the time to read what i have said, i agree with u on the whole third term issue, " i think it is ludacris and an abuse of power." also, i see frustration in your tone and it also sound like u know what u're talking about, i will like to point out that we are on the same side of this argument.

with that said, I consider myself a true Nigerian whether or not i'm in the country at the moment, infact, i believe the fact that i'm not in the country gives me an objective point of view. because i don't directly feel the impact of the situation, i can objectively separate logic from emotion, a lot of Naija's in naija are speaking from a place of frustration and they just want to see some change.

in my earlier post, i said "we have to understand that it is up to us Nigerians to take a stand, that's what democracy is about. exactly what needs to be done, i don't know, but I know for sure, Something needs to be done." This is my main point.

Hi Solange,
I think the solution to our problems is for us to part ways across the geopolitical lines. Lets split the country, and all will be well.

@jibitoye @shiwaju

U r right about PDP not being a party anymore. One of its channels in anambra is chris UBA who insisted that ngige should pay him for his venture into the anambra politics. In the higher level like fedral governments, these investors exists. All they do is put more with the hope that more corruption will favore them. If u look at things closely and concidering how much these politicians are surposed to be paid, does it really worth it investing billions of naira to run for presidency if obasanjo makes about 800 thousand naira per month as a president. multiply 800 thousand with 8 years term and tell me if this is up to a billion naira. It is just a clear sign of the curoption, yet his dogs like the EFCC ignore such things becasue he has a farm of about 500 thousand chicken. Even at that, there is no way a person could invest such a superfulous amont only to be paid 800 thousand per month from nigerian money,

The reason why OBJ is rulling for another presidency is becasue his financial objectives which he owns to his investors in the governments money has not been made. Forget about what he tells u. it is simply the truth. Okonjo iweala and efcc is used to make sure that accurate account of these government investments does not leak beyond his own plan. Forget about what u hear in the news, this is the real fact.

When the need arises, he will use them to fight for his enemies to remain in power. Ok why is atiku having problem with him right now? Has Bush killed kelly for rulling for presidency??

Obj - Controversal Or Confussed? He is both i swear!