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Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Roland17(m): 2:06am On Oct 12, 2012
The Vice-Presidential debates between incumbent Joe Biden of the Democratic Party and Paul Ryan of the Republican party (GOP) is underway, they would be drilled on foreign policy and other core issues that affect the United States.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Roland17(m): 2:56am On Oct 12, 2012
My God, Joe Biden is mauling the lil boy on stage. My God Ryan is breaking sweat, is anyone watching.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Roland17(m): 3:00am On Oct 12, 2012
Ryan has had two cup refills of water, he is cringing desperately, Biden is definitely miles ahead here.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 3:39am On Oct 12, 2012
Roland17: Ryan has had two cup refills of water, he is cringing desperately, Biden is definitely miles ahead here.

Dude need a sipping bottle. . Joe did good
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 4:24am On Oct 12, 2012
Joe won hands down. Ryan is more hypocritical than Romney. At least Romney's hypocrisy is by mouth. I've been saying since forever that Ryan demanded for stimulus funds twice, so I was jumping when Joe and Martha got him to confess it on national tv yet again. And then for him to say "oh heavens, yes!" to the question, "should the US apologize for the Quran burnings?" was hilarious, considering that Mitt Romney has a book entitled No Apologies, in reference to the stance the US should take on foreign policy. I do not blame Joe "Biceps" for laughing at that pigeon-eyed dehydrated clown. #TeamObama

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 4:51am On Oct 12, 2012
CNN polls: Who won the debate?
Ryan 48%
Biden 44%

Who was more likable?
Ryan 53%
Biden 43%

Wow, the CNN viewers are real Ryan fans. Anyway, I thought Joe Biden did a good job in calling out Paul Ryan's flip-flops, especially on the stimulus issue. But Biden shouldn't have interrupted Ryan as much as he did tonight. It seemed arrogant and condescending.

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 4:53am On Oct 12, 2012
By the way, I've already voted for Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate. Both Romney and Obama are in favor of policies that ensure the dominance of the banking industry in economic policy.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 5:13am On Oct 12, 2012
Well, I liked Biden's antics. After hearing the two of them bark the most conservative nonsense for months, they're trying to look like moderates. Mind you, that's the same title Romney has been running from since the republican primaries.

I got my "vote by mail" ballot last night. Obama/Biden have my vote for the second time smiley

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 6:05am On Oct 12, 2012
@Ogugua: I got mine yesterday. I also voted yes on Prop 30.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by violent(m): 6:30am On Oct 12, 2012
If only Obama had enough spine to put up half as much fight as Biden tonight, he wouldn't have been so mauled and embarrassed to the surprise of TV viewers.

Joe had that old man aggressive thingy going for him tonight.

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 7:25am On Oct 12, 2012
CFCfan: @Ogugua: I got mine yesterday. I also voted yes on Prop 30.

You did?! Thank you! Lol! I've seen college tuition to up for at least the last three semesters. It is painful.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 8:13am On Oct 12, 2012
Which college/university do you attend?
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by White007(m): 8:34am On Oct 12, 2012
CFCfan: CNN polls: Who won the debate?
Ryan 48%
Biden 44%

Who was more likable?
Ryan 53%
Biden 43%

Wow, the CNN viewers are real Ryan fans. Anyway, I thought Joe Biden did a good job in calling out Paul Ryan's flip-flops, especially on the stimulus issue. But Biden shouldn't have interrupted Ryan as much as he did tonight. It seemed arrogant and condescending.

Is it not the same thing that Romney did to Obama? Or is there a different sets of rule for democrats?

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 8:43am On Oct 12, 2012
@White007: I wasn't shilling for Romney, just pointing out an observation.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by SkyBlue1: 10:17am On Oct 12, 2012
One of the definite highlights:
Biden paraphrase - 'I love my friend Ryan here but I don't understand why he keeps on going on about stimulus being a bad thing, when he sent me two personal letters begging for some stimulus money for his constituency because he felt it would help grow their economy'

That was a real slap in the face cheesy cheesy I just couldn't stop laughing for like a whole minute as Ryan sat sheepishly in the corner. Men, that was bad. If Biden had done the debate for Obama perhaps Romney would still be trailing far behind.

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by violent(m): 10:32am On Oct 12, 2012
^^

Lol. I'm betting Ryan felt he could pull off Romney's type victory with Biden. One thing about Old politicians is that you don't get to beat them easily in an argument. Just think about arguing with your old Uncle. grin grin

Obama is 51 yrs old, Romney is 65

Biden is 69 and Paul Ryan, 42.

Most of the time, you don't stand a chance when the person you are debating has the Old Uncle figure. Imagine what a debate with Ron Paul would have been like...neither Romney nor Obama could have lived to tell the tales of such hurricane!

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Freiburger(m): 10:56am On Oct 12, 2012
Biden won this one hands down.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by DonaldGenes(m): 11:15am On Oct 12, 2012
If CNN poll says Ryan won,then they must be sheer doped on something,i was wide awake with my mum and sister watching Joe biden calmly pummelled Ryan with His detailed facts,Ryan was flippantly dodgging some real questions posed to him,he did try though by giving the much calmer and experience Biden a run for his ideas and i loved the fact that both candidate embraced each other family members with those warmth cuddles and hugs unlike Our own typical Nigerian case scenario.,conversely,it was Joe Biden that won decisively,forget about those silly polls from CNN,they are all 'wash'
i believe Obama can learn from biden by being on the offensive this time come tues' next week.,can't wait

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by DonaldGenes(m): 11:21am On Oct 12, 2012
The million dollar question is,when will we have this same thing come 2015..am kinda curious!

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by cold(m): 11:24am On Oct 12, 2012
Biden was in full attack mode last nite. Firing on all cylinders. Methinks his response to the abortion question,reconciling his Catholic beliefs with his pro choice stance was simply superb. Ryan getting gulping glasses of water for succour.
Lesson for Obama
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by doofanc: 11:27am On Oct 12, 2012
Biden's performance today shouldn't really come as a surprise to anyone. Generally the vice presidential debates are supposed be more forceful and energetic than the presidential. Interruptions, name-calling, even outright insults are not unusual during such debates, check history.

We didn't get to see the true Biden at the last debate with Sarah Palin because he had to take it easy with her. If you notice all the heat was directed at McCain and scarcely at Palin herself, and its easy to see why.

Today however was a different ballgame; Ryan is a lot more experienced than Palin - and a male. Biden had nothing to lose. He had to go straight for the jugular, and he did.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Nobody: 11:33am On Oct 12, 2012
Can someone upload the video here pls?
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by SkyBlue1: 11:37am On Oct 12, 2012
violent: ^^

Lol. I'm betting Ryan felt he could pull off Romney's type victory with Biden. One thing about Old politicians is that you don't get to beat them easily in an argument. Just think about arguing with your old Uncle. grin grin

Obama is 51 yrs old, Romney is 65

Biden is 69 and Paul Ryan, 42.

Most of the time, you don't stand a chance when the person you are debating has the Old Uncle figure. Imagine what a debate with Ron Paul would have been like...neither Romney nor Obama could have lived to tell the tales of such hurricane!

Ahhh Ron Paul. The best president America never had. That is a man who actually HAS principles and would actually take America on a DIFFERENT course. Democracy in certain countries like Britain and America tend to throw up candidates that are TOO ALIKE in policies and proposed direction. It is a stain on the republican party that for ALL the times Ron Paul has come out he has been treated APPALINGLY by the party as the old crazy Uncle that talks rubbish. In all honesty, NO presidential aspirant has ever made MORE SENSE than Ron Paul, just listen to him speak. AND he has been CONSISTENT for the past like three of four decades. Ron Paul is a man I have great respect for.

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by SkyBlue1: 11:46am On Oct 12, 2012
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by ayojango(m): 11:58am On Oct 12, 2012
Biden showed ryan he started politics even bfor he was born.Ryan was subdued and looked scared he hardly looked biden in d face
Seemed his eyes were gonna pop out from their sockets n his body language ws so poor.Biden won confidence by laffin n givin faacts.

Ryan looked so rough from his Tie to his shirt and hair cut
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by JimmyBoy1: 12:11pm On Oct 12, 2012
Biden clearly won and I am surprised that CNN polls suggested that it was a stalemate. But we all agree that Obama couldnt have used the same tactics Biden used during his first debate i.e grinning, smirking, interupting... So it was right that he remained polite and took all the fire. Watch out for round 2.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by SkyBlue1: 12:14pm On Oct 12, 2012
ayo jango: Biden showed ryan he started politics even bfor he was born.Ryan was subdued and looked scared he hardly looked biden in d face
Seemed his eyes were gonna pop out from their sockets n his body language ws so poor.Biden won confidence by laffin n givin faacts.

Ryan looked so rough from his Tie to his shirt and hair cut

That was the sole redeeming quality of Biden to be frank, that after Ryan would put out seemingly polished arguments, Biden would come back to deconstruct them based on evidence (for most but not all of the time). And let us be honest, none of us could fact check positions of either candidates as they carried on LIVE during the debate. And to be honest, I am not a fan of the current political process. I am not a fan of a process that encourages one liners and snappy retorts at the expense of an HONEST and perhaps UNREHEARSED debate. It is the reason why politicians are so hard to trust. And there is definitely too much money in American politics. Heck in the UK political parties are not even allowed to campaign on TV. But all you see in American politics is division, and shoddy campaigning that leaves voters still uninformed and puts sound argument and discourse in the background. You saw what happened when Obama seemed to try to bring a genuine discourse and debate to the process. He was deemed as failing because Americans want the glitz and chair throwing and dirt of it all, and YET also complain about how poor and dirty the process is. They have what they want without knowing it - and at the expense of their 'democracy'.

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by thelastPope(m): 12:30pm On Oct 12, 2012
The reason Ryan won the CNN polls is because what many of you are praising actually put off most independent voters. Biden wanted to use laughter as disdain tactics to bully Ryan, but he did it continuously till it became offensive to many people. They saw it as unserious and condecending. Ryan was young and simple but very articulate. He was nervous too. But he had real appeal. Biden wanted to do the Romney thing but he fluffed it. Democrats loved it but independents didnt like it. The democrats have to be careful because the independents determine most elections. Most of the counters by Biden was also false. He said a a lot of false facts.

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by thelastPope(m): 12:34pm On Oct 12, 2012
Sky Blue:

That was the sole redeeming quality of Biden to be frank, that after Ryan would put out seemingly polished arguments, Biden would come back to deconstruct them based on evidence (for most but not all of the time). And let us be honest, none of us could fact check positions of either candidates as they carried on LIVE during the debate. And to be honest, I am not a fan of the current political process. I am not a fan of a process that encourages one liners and snappy retorts at the expense of an HONEST and perhaps UNREHEARSED debate. It is the reason why politicians are so hard to trust. And there is definitely too much money in American politics. Heck in the UK political parties are not even allowed to campaign on TV. But all you see in American politics is division, and shoddy campaigning that leaves voters still uninformed and puts sound argument and discourse in the background. You saw what happened when Obama seemed to try to bring a genuine discourse and debate to the process. He was deemed as failing because Americans want the glitz and chair throwing and dirt of it all, and YET also complain about how poor and dirty the process is. They have what they want without knowing it - and at the expense of their 'democracy'.

The key to winning dabates is moderation. A little bit of everything is ok. But leaning too much to one directiono style is bad way to debate. Romney attacked Obama but was not disrespectful. Biden was. He interrupted Ryan over 20 times and kept laughing as if he was mocking him. It didnt sit well with many voters except democrats of course. Even Piers Morgan believed Biden won but acknowledged that the smirking was wrong and said he believed people didnt like it.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by Adanyebe(m): 12:47pm On Oct 12, 2012
I PREFER TO LISTEN TO GEJ AND BOKO HARAM DEBATE

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Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by SkyBlue1: 1:02pm On Oct 12, 2012
thelastPope: The reason Ryan won the CNN polls is because what many of you are praising actually put off most independent voters. Biden wanted to use laughter as disdain tactics to bully Ryan, but he did it continuously till it became offensive to many people. They saw it as unserious and condecending. Ryan was young and simple but very articulate. He was nervous too. But he had real appeal. Biden wanted to do the Romney thing but he fluffed it. Democrats loved it but independents didnt like it. The democrats have to be careful because the independents determine most elections. Most of the counters by Biden was also false. He said a a lot of false facts.

So did Ryan, and that was more disappointing. He looked all innocent and naive to the ways of American politics, but had no trouble spinning a few lies of his own with that innocent mien of his.
Re: Biden Vs Ryan: Vice Presidential Debate In America... by thelastPope(m): 1:06pm On Oct 12, 2012
Sky Blue:

So did Ryan, and that was more disappointing. He looked all innocent and naive to the ways of American politics, but had no trouble spinning a few lies of his own with that innocent mien of his.

Follow the trend online. There has been a lot of fact checking since the debate. Ryan was mostly correct. Biden was mostly wrong. But he was a better debater than Ryan. The laughing thing spoilt his dominance

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