Is MAN mortal or immortal.

Is there any part of MAN that will live forever when he dies or does the whole man die.

Note : All answers must be backed up with scripture.

Thanks,

If we look at the fact that man is made up of body/soul/spirit. The body is mortal like we all know. But the soul and spirit.

The soul is mortal, and can be proven by old and new testament.

[Old Testament]
Ezekiel 8:14 For every living soul belongs to me, the father as well as the son—both alike belong to me. The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Nowhere in the bible was it said that the soul is immortal - you will not find immortality connected to the soul in scripture, but you will find Satan telling Eve that she is immortal (Gen 3:4).

Gen 3:4 => And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die (this was where the concept of immortality came from i think).


[New Testament]
Mat 10:28 And be not afraid of those who kill the body, but cannot kill the soul; but fear rather him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

frosbel: Is MAN mortal or immortal.

Is there any part of MAN that will live forever when he dies or does the whole man die.

Note : All answers must be backed up with scripture.

Thanks,

d body returns to dust, d spirit to God wu gave it. Is that simply enough?

Ubenedictus: d body returns to dust, d spirit to God wu gave it. Is that simply enough?

Which spirit??

After your definition of spirit try finding out of the spirit is ""SOUL""

ijawkid:

Which spirit??

After your definition of spirit try finding out of the spirit is ""SOUL""

He is afraid of answering the question fully , in otherwords he does not want to give us a 'rope to hang him with ' ,

^^^I dont need a rope - all i need is a belt

@frosbel.

From the bible, man was created mortal. He was in a condition in which death was a possibility or everlasting life was a possibility. Had he remained obedient, he would have continued to live forever, but he would always have remained mortal -- liable to death if disobedient.

He (man) did not remain obedient, however. After his sin of disobedience, man was sentenced to death. Obviously, God could not sentence man to death if he were immortal and there was no possibility for him to die. Such a sentence by God would have been an empty threat. We must conclude, then, that Adam was mortal.

You must also note that the whole world of mankind, are also born mortal. We are not only liable to death, but because we share in the death sentence given to Father Adam, we follow Adam’s course to the grave. 1 Cor. 15:22, “For as in Adam all die.”

So permit me to say that man is mortal.

Common thought: Immortality = deathlessness; mortality = liable to die.

That is true but needs qualification to understand the sense in which the Bible uses the words. The death, for instance, which we are very conversant with and by which we define the Second Death, truncates physical/material existence. But Jesus called it sleep, that is, an impermanent state of unconsciousness. This death is also liable to the Second Death. That means that there is a deeper meaning to the condition than the common definition of existence sustains.

Death is a condition of rupture, particularly of relationship. The most significant thing about a dead person is that they have lost communication and fellowship with the living. Following upon that is increasing decay. This is the deeper meaning of death. Physical death fathoms it but a little, the Second Death comprehends it fully. Mortality then speaks of a condition of susceptibility to the limitation and disorder of death. In the Bible's usage, it is a condition of not possessing the springs of Life within oneself. Immortality is the opposite.

But having said that, it becomes necessary to define Life and its springs. God is Himself Life and also the springs/fountain of it. This is not the same as conscious existence. Life is what God is, having it is having communion or being in union with God. See John 17:3. One may be conscious and yet not have Life, see John 10:10, Romans 5:12.

As I have said, God is Himself Life and the Fountain of Life, thus, He is called Immortal. There is no immortality outside God. But there is conscious existence outside Him. Conscious existence outside God is called Death, just like that condition of absence from affairs of material life is also death. This means that Immortality = possessing God within oneself and being found in God; and Mortality = not possessing God within oneself and not being found in God.

Therefore, man is by himself mortal. He is limited by Death. Outside of God, he is himself a decaying situation, increasing in chaos and disorder. But in Christ, man puts on immortality, losing forever the limitations of Death, that condition of divorce from Life (read Order, Meaning, Purpose, which are all God's Signature).

I also point out that there is no such thing as a man which is not the whole body, soul and spirit. Whether the man is in Life in eternity or in Death there, he is there wholly. Compare Daniel 12:2, 2 Corinthians 5:10 and John 5:29. The theme of resurrection is restoration of the whole being/person. What happens to this whole is decided by the Judgment.

Ihedinobi: Common thought: Immortality = deathlessness; mortality = liable to die.

That is true but needs qualification to understand the sense in which the Bible uses the words. The death, for instance, which we are very conversant with and by which we define the Second Death, truncates physical/material existence. But Jesus called it sleep, that is, an impermanent state of unconsciousness. This death is also liable to the Second Death. That means that there is a deeper meaning to the condition than the common definition of existence sustains.

Death is a condition of rupture, particularly of relationship. The most significant thing about a dead person is that they have lost communication and fellowship with the living. Following upon that is increasing decay. This is the deeper meaning of death. Physical death fathoms it but a little, the Second Death comprehends it fully. Mortality then speaks of a condition of susceptibility to the limitation and disorder of death. In the Bible's usage, it is a condition of not possessing the springs of Life within oneself. Immortality is the opposite.

But having said that, it becomes necessary to define Life and its springs. God is Himself Life and also the springs/fountain of it. This is not the same as conscious existence. Life is what God is, having it is having communion or being in union with God. See John 17:3. One may be conscious and yet not have Life, see John 10:10, Romans 5:12.

As I have said, God is Himself Life and the Fountain of Life, thus, He is called Immortal. There is no immortality outside God. But there is conscious existence outside Him. Conscious existence outside God is called Death, just like that condition of absence from affairs of material life is also death. This means that Immortality = possessing God within oneself and being found in God; and Mortality = not possessing God within oneself and not being found in God.

Therefore, man is by himself mortal. He is limited by Death. Outside of God, he is himself a decaying situation, increasing in chaos and disorder. But in Christ, man puts on immortality, losing forever the limitations of Death, that condition of divorce from Life (read Order, Meaning, Purpose, which are all God's Signature).

I also point out that there is no such thing as a man which is not the whole body, soul and spirit. Whether the man is in Life in eternity or in Death there, he is there wholly. Compare Daniel 12:2, 2 Corinthians 5:10 and John 5:29. The theme of resurrection is restoration of the whole being/person. What happens to this whole is decided by the Judgment.

Plausible but not entirely correct.

While we are alive and without Christ, we are not partakers of the divine nature of God through his Spirit. Therefore we are spiritually dead , which simply means we are alienated from the life of GOD and are dead in our sins.

However , physical death is the complete cessation of life akin to being asleep , his spirit returns to God as Solomon rightly explained. This is the reason why Jesus had to come, not only to make an atonement for our sins and birth us into the everlasting kingdom of God through the gift of eternal life, but to defeat death and create a way of escape for those who died 'in christ'.

Jesus was sinless, yet he died, death had no power over him because the power of SIN is death and because Jesus overcame sin , God raised him from the dead never to die again. This is the same for all of us, if we are in Christ , when we die , we have hope of a resurrection to life eternal through Christ Jesus who has imparted to us the spirit of GOD.

Which is why the bible says he has the keys to death and hades ( grave ). Consider these verses of scriptutre :

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:40

"But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead." - Isaiah 26:19


So we know that death means death and only GOD through Christ can raise up the dead to live forever.

But what about the other dead , i.e the sinners. If we walk through the bible, there is no promise of life which is the same thing as consciouness to the wicked, to them belongs eternal death or second death , but for the whole universe to be aware that GOD has not done unjustly, they have to be judged, hence the resurrection unto judgement that Jesus mentioned.

Once this judgement is complete they will be punished and then destroyed.

"Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer." - Isaiah 26:20-21

and

Let them see your zeal for your people and be put to shame;
let the fire reserved for your enemies consume them. - Isaiah 26:11b


Finally MAN is mortal, there is no difference between life and consciousness, to suggest otherwise is to delve into platonic and pagan philosophy which contradicts the word of GOD.

Man has one go at this life and if he is found worthy will live forever, if not he will die forever, and death here means exactly what it says , DEATH , a cessation of existence.

This is the bible's position.

CrazyMan: @frosbel.

From the bible, man was created mortal. He was in a condition in which death was a possibility or everlasting life was a possibility. Had he remained obedient, he would have continued to live forever, but he would always have remained mortal -- liable to death if disobedient.

He (man) did not remain obedient, however. After his sin of disobedience, man was sentenced to death. Obviously, God could not sentence man to death if he were immortal and there was no possibility for him to die. Such a sentence by God would have been an empty threat. We must conclude, then, that Adam was mortal.

You must also note that the whole world of mankind, are also born mortal. We are not only liable to death, but because we share in the death sentence given to Father Adam, we follow Adam’s course to the grave. 1 Cor. 15:22, “For as in Adam all die.”

So permit me to say that man is mortal.

And you have answered correctly - thanks.

Interesting, i am yet to see anyone that will prove that man is immortal

frosbel:

Plausible but not entirely correct.

While we are alive and without Christ, we are not partakers of the divine nature of God through his Spirit. Therefore we are spiritually dead , which simply means we are alienated from the life of GOD and are dead in our sins.

However , physical death is the complete cessation of life akin to being asleep , his spirit returns to God as Solomon rightly explained. This is the reason why Jesus had to come, not only to make an atonement for our sins and birth us into the everlasting kingdom of God through the gift of eternal life, but to defeat death and create a way of escape for those who died 'in christ'.

Jesus was sinless, yet he died, death had no power over him because the power of SIN is death and because Jesus overcame sin , God raised him from the dead never to die again. This is the same for all of us, if we are in Christ , when we die , we have hope of a resurrection to life eternal through Christ Jesus who has imparted to us the spirit of GOD.

Which is why the bible says he has the keys to death and hades ( grave ). Consider these verses of scriptutre :

For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:40

"But your dead will live, Lord;
their bodies will rise—
let those who dwell in the dust
wake up and shout for joy—
your dew is like the dew of the morning;
the earth will give birth to her dead." - Isaiah 26:19


So we know that death means death and only GOD through Christ can raise up the dead to live forever.

But what about the other dead , i.e the sinners. If we walk through the bible, there is no promise of life which is the same thing as consciouness to the wicked, to them belongs eternal death or second death , but for the whole universe to be aware that GOD has not done unjustly, they have to be judged, hence the resurrection unto judgement that Jesus mentioned.

Once this judgement is complete they will be punished and then destroyed.

"Go, my people, enter your rooms
and shut the doors behind you;
hide yourselves for a little while
until his wrath has passed by.
21 See, the Lord is coming out of his dwelling
to punish the people of the earth for their sins.
The earth will disclose the blood shed on it;
the earth will conceal its slain no longer." - Isaiah 26:20-21

and

Let them see your zeal for your people and be put to shame;
let the fire reserved for your enemies consume them. - Isaiah 26:11b


Finally MAN is mortal, there is no difference between life and consciousness, to suggest otherwise is to delve into platonic and pagan philosophy which contradicts the word of GOD.

Man has one go at this life and if he is found worthy will live forever, if not he will die forever, and death here means exactly what it says , DEATH , a cessation of existence.

This is the bible's position.

Red. Where does the Bible say this: "life is the same thing as consciousness for the wicked" and this: "death is the complete cessation of existence"?

Purple. What are you saying here? That Jesus, being sinless, ought not to have died? Or that it was being sinless that qualified Him to be restored to Life?

Ihedinobi:

Red. Where does the Bible say this: "life is the same thing as consciousness for the wicked" and this: "death is the complete cessation of existence"?

Consciousness is self-awareness which is inherently dependent upon the presence of life , without life their is no conciousness.

Purple. What are you saying here? That Jesus, being sinless, ought not to have died? Or that it was being sinless that qualified Him to be restored to Life?

Because Jesus was sinless , death had no power over him , and so God could raise him from the dead to immortality or life forever.

Only those who have had their sins forgiven and washed in the blood will be found to be worthy of eternal life.

frosbel:

Consciousness is self-awareness which is inherently dependent upon the presence of life , without life their is no conciousness.

Perhaps you mistook me. I asked for Scriptural authority.

Because Jesus was sinless , death had no power over him , and so God could raise him from the dead to immortality or life forever.

This is what you have said:

(a) Jesus was sinless

(b) As such, death couldn't kill Him

(c) Therefore God raised Him.

If death couldn't kill Him, then He couldn't have died and God wouldn't have raised Him since He didn't die.

The questions here are:

(1) Was Jesus truly mortal?

(2) What made Him so?

(3) How is He now immortal?

Ihedinobi:

Perhaps you mistook me. I asked for Scriptural authority.



This is what you have said:

(a) Jesus was sinless

(b) As such, death couldn't kill Him

(c) Therefore God raised Him.

If death couldn't kill Him, then He couldn't have died and God wouldn't have raised Him since He didn't die.

The questions here are:

(1) Was Jesus truly mortal?

(2) What made Him so?

(3) How is He now immortal?

From all your posts and comments, I think you need another few months, some humility and diligence , to properly discern the word of GOD.

I can't help you all the time , do some home work !

frosbel:


From all your posts and comments, I think you need another few months, some humility and diligence , to properly discern the word of GOD.

I can't help you all the time , do some home work !

In other words, you have no Scriptural backing for your assertions. And you speak of things you know nothing about.

Ihedinobi:

In other words, you have no Scriptural backing for your assertions. And you speak of things you know nothing about.

I will always respond to those who I think deserve my time and effort.

I think we need to clear up something here:

1. Let us assume that death had no power over Jesus because He was sinless that meant He would have lived on forever - and not age - except He was killed.

2. Dying from "natural" causes and getting "killed" are 2 different things as far we are concerned.

3. Elijah sinned but yet escaped death.

4. Enoch did not sin, but he was taken by God

5. Newborn babies die, some even die in the womb - why?

I believe that man is mortal, at least the body of man is mortal all the way. And it has nothing to do with sin.
If it had to do with sin, once your sins are forgiven by the Father and you are heaven-bound, then you should not die again be that now.

ijawkid:

Which spirit??

After your definition of spirit try finding out of the spirit is ""SOUL""

u can ask d bible what it means wen it says "and the spirit to God wu gave it". The burden of definition rests on you.

frosbel:


I will always respond to those who I think deserve my time and effort.

Are we witnessing the breakdown of your propaganda machine?

Man is a spirit. He has a soul and he lives in a body . The body can die but he real man wo is the spirit lives on to face judgement

Joagbaje: Man is a spirit. He has a soul and he lives in a body . The body can die but he real man wo is the spirit lives on to face judgement

Nice, but is man's spirit mortal or immortal? Will a sinner's spirit be destroyed after judgement or continue to live in hell for eternity?

Joagbaje: Man is a spirit. He has a soul and he lives in a body . The body can die but he real man wo is the spirit lives on to face judgement

Not quite true. Man = body + soul + spirit

seriallink:

Nice, but is man's spirit mortal or immortal? Will a sinner's spirit be destroyed after judgement or continue to live in hell for eternity?

Man is immortal . Spirits are immortal. Even in damnation .

Joagbaje:

Man is immortal . Spirits are immortal. Even in damnation .

And, can you kindly show me scriptures to prove this 'TRUTH'.

btw , Man's body plus God's breath = SOUL
Man's body minus God's breath = DUST

This is clearly depicted from Genesis to Revelation.

im·mor·tal
   [ih-mawr-tl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls.
2.
remembered or celebrated through all time: the immortal words of Lincoln.
3.
not liable to perish or decay; imperishable; everlasting.
4.
perpetual; lasting; constant: an immortal enemy.

mor·tal
   [mawr-tl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
subject to death; having a transitory life: all mortal creatures.
2.
of or pertaining to human beings as subject to death; human: this mortal life.
3.
belonging to this world.
4.
deadly or implacable; relentless: a mortal enemy.
5.
severe, dire, grievous, or bitter: in mortal fear.

Not everything has to have bible reference. na Oyinbo wey get the language. Man is mortal, by Oyinbo definition.

These people are totally gutted with tradition , hence their serious inability and may I add handicap , to rightly divide the word of truth.

Joagbaje:

Man is immortal . Spirits are immortal. Even in damnation .

If man is immortal, how do you explain the passages below?

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

When man ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, his eyes were opened and the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden so that he wouldn't eat from the tree of life and live forever!

Man cannot be immortal my bro. The spirits of sinners would also be destroyed after judgement while the righteous would inherit eternal life. Immortality is a gift for the righteous. Nothing like eternal torment because man is mortal! That's my take~

are you guys not tired of talking senselessly?

^^^ Another atheist! No, we don't get tired of the word of God! Just the same we you and your cohorts don't get tired of cricticizing us! Where have you been btw? I think say you don repent na Abi you go deliverance ni

seriallink: ^^^ Another atheist! No, we don't get tired of the word of God! Just the same we you and your cohorts don't get tired of cricticizing us! Where have you been btw? I think say you don repent na Abi you go deliverance ni

now adays i just sit by side observing all of you. nl is like an infested thing to me now coz many punks like you are just talking nonsense disturbing someones thinking. its nonsense because man has never and can never prove man is immortal, then why argue? its senseless talk

^^^Ok, I've heard you ma'am; you can go out now so we can discuss our senseless religion