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| The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by advocate666: 9:53am On Oct 26, 2012 |
Many theists believe in the omnipresence of god. They sing it in their songs. It is the reason why they pray anywhere because they believe god hears and sees them wherever they are. But this omnipresence of god is not without problem for the minds of the godly because it implies that god is also in places where they will rather he not be. Consider this: God is in hell. This assertion posed a lot of problems to early christians but they eventually admitted that it was true. Here is Martin Luther discussing this with his friends. The question of “divine substance” in the soul came up once at Luther’s dinner table. ... Luther said: “God is not bound to a locality. He cannot be excluded from any place nor can he be limited to or locked in any place. ... He is in even the lowliest creature, in a leaf or a blade of grass, yet God is nowhere.” Since there were apparently some professional theologians present, the question arose whether God is everywhere potentialiter or substantialiter [in power or in substance], as a question of whether God was a potential or an essential ground. Luther: “I answer: in both ways in each creature. The creature acts by virtue of its qualitas, its qualities, but God acts...essentialiter, from the depth of his essence.” The recorder of the chronicle continues: “When someone said: ‘That I don’t understand,’ he answered: ‘Don’t you believe that God is at the same time present on the cross and in the virgin Mary’s womb? In either case it is impossible for our reason to believe. In the same way that God can be lodged in the virgin’s womb, he can also live in every creature.’ Another person said: ‘Would God consequently be in the devil?’ ‘Yes, certainly in substance even in hell...as Psalm 139[:8a] says: “If I make my bed in Sheol, thou are there”.’” (Bengt R. Hoffman, Theology of the Heart [Minneapolis: Kirk House Publishers, 1998], p. 84. The “Table Talk” quotations are from WT 1; 101, 27-37.)http://www.angelfire.com/ny4/djw/lutherantheology.godinhell.html Well, theists, consider my own input in this. The omnipresence of god implies thus that god is in my sewer in my urine in ashawo's menstrual pad when, the okada man is inside the prostitute, there is god, right between the friction of their privates. god is wholly and in essence inside the vomit of the drunkard the exploding bomb of boko haram contains god god is on my keyboard while i'm typing this he is in me, in my veins and in my brains. he is in the devil and is part and parcel of his three tongued fork he was in hitler and was in the furnace that burned those jews. he is in my spperm and when i go to the toilet in the morning, there he is. are you smoking ganja? you are smoking god. have you ever seen two dogs locked together in their sexual act, god is inside. etc etc. If you deny any of these statements, then you are denying god's omnipresence. So the next time you see dog poo on the side of the road, please bow down in submission to his holy presence. 5 Likes |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by kpozite(m): 10:09am On Oct 26, 2012 |
Poster You are a big FOOL. My signature refers to you. Invest your time and ability into better things. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 10:12am On Oct 26, 2012 |
kpozite: Poster You are a big FOOL. ^^^ Very representative of a christian that can not defend his faith! 4 Likes |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by advocate666: 11:48am On Oct 26, 2012 |
kpozite: Poster You are a big FOOL. A big fool full of god. Consider that and bow in his majesty. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Niflheim(m): 11:55am On Oct 26, 2012 |
@kpozite,what is wrong with you?answer the question and defend your faith!!! |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Horus(m): 12:18pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Interresting thread. The "God" of your bible is Not omnipresent. Genesis 4:16 "16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden." How can Cain went out from the presence of the LORD if he is omnipresent?. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 12:33pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Horus: Interresting thread. The "God" of your bible is Not omnipresent. good question |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Thekeeper(m): 12:37pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
One word. .IDI.OTIC for d op n his bigotic attempt at logic...foooool |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 12:46pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
This is good. Rather than address the topic, the christians come here and abuse the OP. The logic is simple. If god is everywhere, then he would be present in the BAD things, not only good. Worse off, is the christians that run away from this thread because they are afraid of questioning their religion. Christianity is falling in advanced societies because those societies ask questions! |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by advocate666: 12:50pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Horus: Interresting thread. The "God" of your bible is Not omnipresent. Well apart from the quotes of a few men in the bible like David and Amos, the whole stories in the bible argues against the omnipresence of god. A few examples: Adam and eve were able to hide from god when they realised they were naked. God didn't see them eat the fruit. He asked if they had eaten the fruit. Gen 3:11 2 Kings 5:15 15 Then Naaman and all his attendants went back to the man of God. He stood before him and said, “Now I know that there is no God in all the world except in Israel. So please accept a gift from your servant.” Acts 17:24 24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might These following verses however, argue in favour of god's omnipresence: Jeremiah 23:24 24 Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord. Psalm 139:7-10 7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. Amos 9:2 2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down: And the most confusing part: Amos 9:3 3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them: Does he see or not see them?  |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Horus(m): 12:51pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
God was uncertain where Adam was when Adam hid himself in the Garden of Eden. Surely this so called "omnipresent" God that could create the universe and transcend time would be able to locate a hiding man. God only learns what has happened when he interrogates Eve. Then he acts. God also cannot determine where Abel happens to be after he has been slain by his brother. Again, he must gain his answers from Cain. God has to "look down" to see what is occurring in Shinar and he has to personally view the wickedness of man before destroying the cities of the plain. 1 - Why god have to ask Eve where is Adam if he is omnipresent?. 2 - Why god have to ask Cain where Abel happens to be if he is omnipresent?. 3 - Why God has to "look down" to see what is occurring in Shinar if he is omnipresent?. Dont criticise me, it is right in your bible. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by advocate666: 12:51pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
The_keeper: One word. .IDI.OTIC for d op n his bigotic attempt at logic...foooool mind your language. remember you are in the presence of the lord. 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by CrazyMan(m): 1:36pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Horus: Interesting thread. The "God" of your bible is Not omnipresent.Ok...let me explain that passage much better to you, cos its obvious that you lack understanding. The self delusion of Cain’s own mind finally achieved what he thought he desired most – freedom from God. That is the desire of many today but as Cain realized, life without God is a life without hope. Cain thought that he could flee the justice of God. He was really deluded into thinking that he could leave the presence of God. The psalmist wrote about the futility of trying to flee from the God’s presence Psalm 139:7-10, Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9 If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10 Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. note that this psalm is also written concerning the personal covenant God name, LORD, Jehovah. Men cannot run from God for no matter where they go, He is there. The passage (psalm 139:7-10) is confirmed in the book of Johna...when the prophet Johna tried to flee from the presence of God. Johna 1:1-4. Now the word of the Lord came unto Jonah the son of Amittai, saying,2 Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me. 3 But Jonah rose up to flee unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord, and went down to Joppa; and he found a ship going to Tarshish: so he paid the fare thereof, and went down into it, to go with them unto Tarshish from the presence of the Lord. 4 But the Lord sent out a great wind into the sea, and there was a mighty tempest in the sea, so that the ship was like to be broken. I shall conclude with this...God is ominpresence. I would have agreed with the write up the op posted, but what he wrote sounded more like a mockery than a fact. God indeed is ominpresence. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 1:46pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
CrazyMan: 1) Your claim that the verse means that Cain was deluded into thinking that he went out of God's presence is nonsense! The verse states a physical place (Land of Nod) that Cain went and was out of God's presence. That quote was tied to a physical place therefore, it was talking about a God's physical presence (Which Cain moved out of) 2) You say that a life without god is hopeless. Is Bill Gate's life hopeless Are 64% of Japanese who clearly say that they dont believe in God hopeless? [img]http://3.bp..com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TPlNrROis0I/AAAAAAAA-TA/3FaewMi7X04/s1600/GoodWithoutGod.jpg[/img] |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Horus(m): 1:51pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
@CrazyMan God was uncertain where Adam was when Adam hid himself in the Garden of Eden. Surely this so called "omnipresent" God that could create the universe and transcend time would be able to locate a hiding man. God only learns what has happened when he interrogates Eve. Then he acts. God also cannot determine where Abel happens to be after he has been slain by his brother. Again, he must gain his answers from Cain. God has to "look down" to see what is occurring in Shinar and he has to personally view the wickedness of man before destroying the cities of the plain. 1 - Why god have to ask Eve where is Adam if he is omnipresent?. 2 - Why god have to ask Cain where Abel happens to be if he is omnipresent?. 3 - Why God has to "look down" to see what is occurring in Shinar if he is omnipresent?. Please CrazyMan kindly answer the 3 questions above. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by cyrexx: 2:09pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
kpozite: Poster You are a big FOOL. The_keeper: One word. .IDI.OTIC for d op n his bigotic attempt at logic...foooool Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, THOU FOOL, shall be in danger of hell fire. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by advocate666: 2:12pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
CrazyMan: Many a truth is told in jest. There is no christian right not to be mocked. Just remember that omnipresence puts god in and around the mockery against him. I understand that some people may feel offended by the post but I assure you, the intent was not to offend but to buttress my point about the absurdity of the christian claim of their omnipresent deity. When you think of god as just another unseen beign that is there by your side and sees everything that happens, that can be acceptable, but with the claim of being absolutely everywhere makes no sense at all. Many people will not grasp the absurdity at first hence the need to point it out with examples. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Niflheim(m): 2:24pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
google earth is everywhere,poverty and disease in africa is everywhere,stupidity in the house of god is everywhere,but god himself is not everywhere!!! 1 Like |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Niflheim(m): 2:29pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
jesus said ,'my god my god why hast thou forsaken me?'..............................because god was busy watching the match between angola and burkina faso(nations cup qualifier)!!! |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by CrazyMan(m): 2:47pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Logicboy03: 1) Your claim that the verse means that Cain was deluded into thinking that he went out of God's presence is nonsense! The verse states a physical place (Land of Nod) that Cain went and was out of God's presence. That quote was tied to a physical place therefore, it was talking about a God's physical presence (Which Cain moved out of)In Genesis 4:16...that passage spoke about cain leaving God's presence right? I would explain that passage properly to your understand... verse 16...“And (Cain) dwelt in the land of Nod... He left the fruitful land of Eden to make his permanent dwelling in the barren land of Nod. From my understanding of the bible, Nod is not an actual place but a figure of speech, based upon its definition, to describe the spiritual condition of Cain In a nutshell, we can term Nod as a place of wondering. If you feel I'm wrong, then provide another passage in the bible where that mysterious city was mentioned? The book of Jude explains cain's mystery much better...I hope it would be of help to you. Jude 1:11-13. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. Logicboy03: 2) You say that a life without god is hopeless.God has a general love to all his creatures as he gives the rain, the sunshine to all. He is the creator of all mankind and we are told to love even our own enemies. So yes its very possible for bill gates and co to be successful even though they don't know God...how you may ask? The answer is that christ death and resurrection has united us with God... |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by CrazyMan(m): 3:09pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
Horus: @CrazyManCould you please provide valid bible passages to back up your claims. Horus: God only learns what has happened when he interrogates Eve. Then he acts. God also cannot determine where Abel happens to be after he has been slain by his brother. Again, he must gain his answers from Cain.Your ignorance is highly irritating. If God didn't know what happened to Abel why did he ask this...in Genesis 4:9-10 And the Lord said unto Cain, Where is Abel thy brother? And he said, I know not: Am I my brother's keeper? 10 And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground. Did God ever inquire about Abel from cain anywhere in the bible apart from that passage? At least common sense should make you understand that the question came as a result of the crime cain committed. God was aware that cain had murdered his brother...or have you forgotten the part where both of the offered sacrifices to God? God has been watching, and when cain struck, he called him to order. Cain's harsh reply in the passage I posted shows clearly that he was guilty of murdering his brother. Horus: God has to "look down" to see what is occurring in Shinar and he has to personally view the wickedness of man before destroying the cities of the plain.They were building a tower, and God came down and scattered it...(Genesis 11:1-9) What point are you trying to prove here? |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by advocate666: 3:21pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
@CrazyMan do you thus agree with all my statements in the OP? |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Horus(m): 3:31pm On Oct 26, 2012 |
CrazyMan: Why did God have to came down?, came down from where? Could you please provide valid bible passages to back up your claims. "And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. 9 Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?" 10 And he said, "I heard the sound of Thee in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself," (Gen. 3:8-10). Why god have to ask "Where are you?" |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by CrazyMan(m): 5:23am On Oct 27, 2012 |
advocate666: @CrazyManNot all...I don't buy the idea of God being in your urine or in your semen...etc. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by CrazyMan(m): 5:43am On Oct 27, 2012 |
Horus: Why did God have to came down?, came down from where?Heaven of course...where else do you want him to come down from? Horus: "And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden.God asked them that question because he knew they were hiding from him. Did God ever asked Adam "Where are you" anywhere in the bible apart from that passage? Man sinned, and God was aware of his sin...so he (God) asked him that question hopping that man would admit his fault and ask for repentance. But unfortunately, man didn't...instead he blamed God for the woman she gave to him...and the woman blamed the serpent. God eventually drove them out of the Garden of Eden. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 6:34am On Oct 27, 2012 |
^^^On Point CrazyMan, Besides the question God asked Adam was rhetorical! God knew what happened; Adam only answered because he was afraid. Don't mind the heathens, they always look for ways to crictize the Bible~! |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 6:45am On Oct 27, 2012 |
cyrexx:xtians act as if they do nt believe in god.imagine dat jesus said d above n attachd d highest known xtian punishment to it,yet xtians ignore dis n stil say u fool "in d very presence of god".makes me question their convictn. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by cyrexx: 6:54am On Oct 27, 2012 |
Beretta92: xtians act as if they do nt believe in god.imagine dat jesus said d above n attachd d highest known xtian punishment to it,yet xtians ignore dis n stil say u fool "in d very presence of god".makes me question their convictn. there is this quote i heard somewhere "One of the greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is the behaviour of christians. They acknowledge Christ/God with their lips but they deny him with their lifestyle. That is what the atheists/non-believers simply find UNBELIEVABLE!" 2 Likes |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by seunmustwac: 7:39am On Oct 27, 2012 |
^^^Very true. But there are several groups of christians, majority are pirated christians. Even the bible itself says it. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Horus(m): 12:36pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
CrazyMan: Ley us analyse your answers below: CrazyMan: So your "god" or God came down from heaven. From Heaven = (Point A) To Earth = (Point B) A "god" that is suposed to be Omnipresent is suposed to be in Heaven = (Point A) and on Earth = (Point B) at the same time and at all times, and permanantly. He didnt have to "came down" if he was already everywhere and omnipresent. Here you just demonstrated by your answer that your "god" or God is NOT Omnipresent Why do your "god" or God have to travel from a point A (Heaven) to a point B (Earth) if he is Omnipresent? Please can you answer this question? CrazyMan: How can they hide from God if he is Omnipresent? And why did God have to ask "Where are you?" If he is Omnipresent he should know where Adam is and he should not have to rely on a mortal to have an answer. By your answers you just gave us proofs of the absurdity of God Omnipresence. You have "confessed" that your "god" is NOT Omnipresent |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by ogoamaka99(m): 1:08pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
My dear advocate, Thank the ALMIGHTY GOD that this your opinion, a FOOL'S opinion are always right. A fool may come up and call moon lite morning and may write volumes to defend that it is morning not minding the time of the night. You know a fool by the way he or she reasons. |
| Re: The Absurdity Of God's Omnipresence. by Nobody: 2:00pm On Oct 27, 2012 |
ogoamaka99: My dear advocate, It is your own God that is a fool. [b]He said that the moon is a light. << Genesis 1:16 >> New International Version (©1984) God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. |
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