Seun , this is a concerned friend who would appreciate that you keep his/her indentity secret.

This is also a friend who is concerned for your future (after you have achieved all the financial and wordly success and fufilled your personal desires).

This is a friend who understand that "being a friend means being able to tell you the BLUNT TRUTH" whether or not you like it,

This is a friend who understands that, present and past experiences by other people and present and past scientific evidences show that you are basing your decision (of doing away with God) on "false excuses" and that those excuses are not only unwise but also personally not expedient.

This is a friend who although understands that you can choose to ingnore him/her (and choose to end the friendship), but still chooses to try to let you see the deceit in thinking the we are accountable only to ourselves as men.

I understand that your numerous questions for which you have not had answers. Truth is that there are answers out there in the world/internet, if you are willing to diligently search. Answer, peace and freedom do not exist in the present places!

I understand that certain individuals (either out of fear, unbelieve or delusion) try to sit on the fence by neither divulging or revealing their status on the issue of whether "WE ARE HERE JUST BECAUSE WE ARE HERE BY CHANCE" OR "WHETHER WE ARE HERE BECAUSE GOD CREATED US TO BE HERE". One thing is for sure either of the two options must be true, both cannot be true!

It becomes even more pathetic when certain individuals (out of desire to conform to popular opinnion and views or desire to free themselvse from the burden of spiritual or physical expectation) deceive themselves into saying or thinking that "THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE BELIEVE OF ANYTHING/ANYONE". Yet the underlying truth is that each and everyone of us (whether in the closet or in secret) know that we unconsciously reveal what we actually believe in through our actions or inactions.

There are only two kinds of people that are alive "THOSE THAT BELIEVE IN GOD" and "THOSE THAT DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD"

Those that believe in God believe in Creation

Those that do not believe in God, believe in Evolution (whether or not they accept it)

ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THE TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE CANNOT BOTH BE TRUE,


The blunt truth is that, WHAT IS TRUE IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN WHAT WE THINK IS THE TRUTH, AS A RESULT WE OWE OURSELVES AND THOSE AFFECTED BY OUR LIFESTYLES, THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FINDING OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT WE BELEIVE IS TRUE!

Also the truth is that what each and every one of us believes tends to will ultimately influence our way of life, actions in life, life after death or lack of life after death , (Hence based on ones system of believe and world view, it becomes easy to understand why certain people feel it is important to kill for and lie for their beliefs, even at the detriment of their anyone else, it also becomes easy to understand why certain people are willing to endure torture, death or death threats, intimidation, ridicule and slander as a result of their belief).


For those that believe in Evolution (consciously or unconsciously), it is rather sad that numerous scientific evidences (which are being suppressed) are constantly showing that Evolution is not true, that evolution is not based on science, that evolution requires a great amount of "faith" by those the believe in it. That evolution is "a religion" (of faith in unproven speculations) by people who either choose (or pretend) not to believe in God for their personal reason or those who don't have access to truthful scientific information that shows them otherwise.


So in making a decision in Life , it becomes very important for you/us to ask yourself/ourselves whether or not you/we are willing to build our whole lives and death on our belief.

Personally I believe THERE IS A GOD, (GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB)!, AND I BELIEVE THAT I AM GOING TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO HIM FOR EVERY DECISION AND INDECISION, EVERY ACTION AND INACTION.

It doesn't matter for how long one has decided to forsake God, God is still merciful and gracious enough to take one back, simply because HE knows THAT WE WILL MESS UP and HE knows that we will forsake Him, He also knows that there will be a "falling away". People that once believed in Him , turning around to become the ones against him.

, BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO RETAIN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD IN THEIR MIND, HE HAS GIVEN THEM OVER TO A REPROBATE MIND, TO DO THAT WHICH IS NOT CONVENIENT,

this biblical truth becomes more revealing that the new age movement, atheism, homosexualism, communism is focused on allowing people to do exactly what they want and when they want it, even though such people all endup being "believers"
in an idea or philosophy.

PLEASE don't let us be decieved by the numerous humanistic tendecies of man to either wish away God or remove God from the equation, history shows that it has always failed! It is an open secret that the underlying foundation upon which the lack of believe in God is based, is simply the human desire for independence and not being accountable to anybody except oneself. MAN DESIRES TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WHEN HE WANTS IT, HENCE IT BECOMES UNCOMFORTABLE IF THERE IS A GOD TO PREVENT THAT.

THERE IS A SPIRITUAL WAR GOING ON FOR THE SOULS OF MEN, THIS HAS BEEN MADE MANIFEST THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF MAN

@SysUser: Stop your kissing up!

Personally I believe THERE IS A GOD, (GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB)!, AND I BELIEVE THAT I AM GOING TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO HIM FOR EVERY DECISION AND INDECISION, EVERY ACTION AND INACTION.

You forgot to add JESUS. Hence, it is "THERE IS A GOD(GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB,, JESUS). I am making this statement based on the word of Jesus himself. Please read Mark 12 Verse 29 and receive salvation! There is only ONE GOD! There are no other(s)!

You the adviser, should take your own advice an get out of a fly trap, otherwise known as "TRINITY." That concept will never give you salvation.

Hi again @olabowale,

olabowale:

@SysUser: Stop your kissing up! You forgot to add JESUS. Hence, it is "THERE IS A GOD(GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC, JACOB,, JESUS). I am making this statement based on the word of Jesus himself.

If you were making any statement based on the word of Jesus himself, where did He ever say what you asserted?

olabowale:

Please read Mark 12 Verse 29 and receive salvation!

Welcome! Since when did Muslims start to receive salvation from a Bible they have endlessly accused of being a "corrupt" Book?

So many people have said it - your time to receive Jesus as your Lord and Saviour is fast approaching.

olabowale:

There is only ONE GOD! There are no other(s)!

Good. Go and find out what Jesus Himself said about who He is - in the same Mark's Gospel.

olabowale:

You the adviser, should take your own advice an get out of a fly trap, otherwise known as "TRINITY."

If the Trinity has been your deathknell all your life, it may help do you a world of good to humbly find out WHO Jesus said He actually was - in that same Gospel of Mark.

olabowale:

That concept will never give you salvation.

Neither would Muhammad's denial bring you salvation. He denied that God IS FATHER - and that denial sealed his end.

In the same Mark's Gospel that you are wont to always quote, Jesus said this:

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
but he that believeth not shall be damned.
~ [Mark 16:16]

The question is: in WHOSE NAME are believers to be baptized? Those who believe are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19) - the 'NAME' (not "name[b]S[/b]". You may believe only one verse in Mark's Gospel. . . but if you fail to properly respond to God's offer of salvation according to Mark 16:16[b]a[/b] (believe and be baptized), then you get the result in the b-part of that same verse (shall be damned)! Holding unto Muhammad's denials is not going to help your misconception about the Trinity, olabowale.

Further, your Muslim translators of the Qur'an have tried to smuggle the idea of baptism into Muhammad's abrogated Qur'an!! (e.g., check Yusuf Ali and M. H. Shakir on Sura 2 v 138)! Only heaven knows how they came about that idea, knowing quite well that no such concept is found in Islam! Were they beningly acknowledging that without being baptized (according to Mark 16 v 16), they faced the b-part of that verse?

Other Muslim translators came to the rescue by inserting the words "system" or "religion" or "dye" or "colour". Haba! Wetin dey confuse una like that?

Bros, in one word: if you fail to believe in what Jesus taught while busy quoting Mark's Gospel, the b-part of Mark 16 v 16 is inevitable! Just a friendly warning, olabowale.

Pilgrim.1 how are you , hope all is fine,

I thank God for you, being saved is by Grace,

He is the one who calls us not the other way round!. I can only pray that other muslims and everybody else will understand that salvation is not by intellectual logic but by the saving grace of God. Many have eyes and still not see

BY the way I decided to stop making post becuase I realised that it had degenerated into an argument, Christ did not intstruct believers to engage in Argument instead He said will should dust off the sand from the sole of our feet and leave once the people reject the message.

Olabowale how are you too, be rest assured God (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) he will get you when he wants you.!

Mine is just to give you the information about the Good News, I am not the one to work on you, that is the Holy Spirit's doing, If you are for Him is will certainly make sure you are saved from your ways.

BY THE WAY IN CASE THE HEADING OF THE THREAD IS NOTICED, I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH SEUN (OWNER AND ADMINISTRATOR OF NAIRALAND), ONCE HE READS THE THREAD I EXPECT HIM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A GUESS OF MY INDENTITY ,

I am trying to get across to him because I understand that where he is now and the phase and experience he's going through right now, I was once there myself , and I strongly believe I have job to do concerning him, although it might be difficult to explain , there is a sense of fufillment and happiness to ensure that he does not continue down that road,

SO OLABOWALE, BABS787 ETC i would appreciate and be grateful if personal taunts and jest, and unneccessary deviation from the topic of the thread is avoided.

Pilgrim.1 I would really appreciate if you and some other christians not only pray for Seun, but also to try and chip certain information as at when due , in other to answer is numerous questions.

Believe me Seun is academically brilliant, so facts from the bible and biblical evidences of such facts and figures from the bible , which I have no knowledge of , would be welcomed,

Truly, in as much I pray that God would guide me all the way so that I would make it to heaven and not have my name blotted out of the book of life, I also pray that God would help Seun, TO END IT WELL, CUS HE STARTED WELL,

Pilgrim.1 how are you , hope all is fine,

I thank God for you, being saved is by Grace,

He is the one who calls us not the other way round!. I can only pray that other muslims and everybody else will understand that salvation is not by intellectual logic but by the saving grace of God. Many have eyes and still not see

BY the way I decided to stop making post becuase I realised that it had degenerated into an argument, Christ did not intstruct believers to engage in Argument instead He said will should dust off the sand from the sole of our feet and leave once the people reject the message.

I am trying to get across to him (Seun) because I understand where he is now and the phase and experience he's going through right now, I was once there myself (I was once a believer in evolution, political correctness, agnostism, aliens and other rubbish nonsense etc), and I strongly believe I have a job to do concerning him.

Although it might be difficult to explain, I somehow have this believe that Seun is intelligent enough to want to consider facts against the path is on now once those facts are presented to him in a plain and non-confrontational manner (I feel he might rebel against being imposed upon, so a confrontational manner concerning him is not wise). Also I have this sense of responsibility of making sure that he does not continue down that road,

Olabowale how are you too, be rest assured God (of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob) he will get you when he wants you.!

Mine is just to give you the information about the Good News, I am not the one to work on you, that is the Holy Spirit's doing, If you are for Him is will certainly make sure you are saved from your ways.

BY THE WAY IN CASE THE HEADING OF THE THREAD IS NOTICED, I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE WITH SEUN (OWNER AND ADMINISTRATOR OF NAIRALAND), ONCE HE READS THE THREAD I EXPECT HIM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE A GUESS OF MY INDENTITY , AND THUS RESPOND ACCORDINGLY!

SO OLABOWALE, BABS787 ETC i would appreciate and be grateful if personal taunts and jest, and unneccessary deviation from the topic of the thread is avoided.

Pilgrim.1 I would really appreciate if you and some other christians not only pray for Seun, but also to try and chip in posts that contain useful information as at when due , in other to answer is numerous questions.

Believe me Seun is academically brilliant, so facts from the bible and biblical evidences of such facts and figures from the bible , which I have no knowledge of , would be welcomed,

Truly, in as much I pray that God would guide me all the way so that I would make it to heaven and not have my name blotted out of the book of life, I also pray that God would help Seun, TO END IT WELL, CUS HE STARTED WELL,

Pilgrim.1 please don't fall for the trap and trick of the devil to constantly want to engage in arguments about flimsy excuses and questions which by the devil (through his children muslims and co). My believe is that by making us very busy with the job of ARGUING , we then have less time and energy to spend on actually preaching the gospel to those that are willing to hear.

Later,

Dear SysUser,

How's the going?

SysUser:

Pilgrim.1 I would really appreciate if you and some other christians not only pray for Seun, but also to try and chip in posts that contain useful information as at when due , in other to answer is numerous questions.

. . . .

Pilgrim.1 please don't fall for the trap and trick of the devil to constantly want to engage in arguments about flimsy excuses and questions which by the devil (through his children muslims and co). My believe is that by making us very busy with the job of ARGUING , we then have less time and energy to spend on actually preaching the gospel to those that are willing to hear.

You're right. I'll comply accordingly.

Blessings.

Lol someone should also tell David and co the same

If you're really a concerned friend why not pm or email him, instead of starting this silly arsekissing attention whoring thread. Seun has a mind of his own and has come to his decision. You really need to stop trying to shove your religion down people's throats.

@SysUser:

Believe me Seun is academically brilliant, so facts from the bible and biblical evidences of such facts and figures from the bible , which I have no knowledge of , would be welcomed,

What has academic got to do with belief? See, you are even intelligent, yet you chose three entities for one Entity. Yet when you said that one died, we ask you if all of the three died, you said know. We asked if this is so, did the two remaining had less power, you said no. We asked again, what was the role of he one that died relative to the One Entity which has power, regardless whether the one you claimed died or alive; You can't answer!

What can you answer, except that you put forward pseudotheories! The one who was needed to make up the ONE, but when the one died The ONE that remained without the one that died, did not lose any power! Did you get me? I did this just to show you how ridiculously unclear and very confusing your TRINITY that could not give the relevance of each person(s) in the it, that is so important to the One that Truly has power!

God is complete in substance and power with or without Jesus, or the Holy ghost (the two of them are irrelevant to the awesomeness of GOD ALMIGHTY) at all time.

@olabowale,

Can you try to be a gentleman and comply with his request as stated below:

SysUser:

SO OLABOWALE, BABS787 ETC i would appreciate and be grateful if personal taunts and jest, and unneccessary deviation from the topic of the thread is avoided.

If his request is not within your perview, can we remind you that you also in particular have never sought a genuine discussion and never really sought to answer questions presented to you - because you always have come to the end of your road?

Dear olabowale, please drop all these unfruitful taunts. That is not the way to find a relationship with God.

WHICH GOD HAS OBANTALAPIPIPI FORSAKEN?, you people don come again o abeg leave seun alone jooo

please seun , don't God Loves you as Nairalanders Do too