ijawkid:

SMH!!!!!!!......

Must pagans always set a pattern for you guys??

That is just my problem...

Can't you guys for once think independently out of the pagan BOX....??

Must you always follow follow pagans everywhere they go like a lost puppy to adopt/hijack there practices.......??...

I don't know what to call catholics anymore....

To show you that paganism has become your tradition,if you don't count beads it seems your prayers aint complete.....

You must count beads,make the ""cross"" sign,pray through mary while you look at her image.....etc....

If this is not ""JUJU"" I wonder what it is...

There is no difference between you and a buddhist....

Shikena!!!!!....

actually so far u are d person wu have been thinking in the "pagan BOX". U are d person wu says beads are pagan because budha used them, 25 is pagan because sun worshippers used that dat and sunday too. After seeing "pagan, pagan pagan" in everything u still have d effontry to talk abt a pagan box?
I just noticed dat ur anti-catholic campaign isnt yielding fruits except to show me how superstitious u are. U may want to try ur luck here: www.catholicanswersforum.com mayb u wil find new convert there. I wil try to keep off ur arguement u argue with a closed mind and simply repeat some old stories u were told over and over again.

Ubenedictus: actually so far u are d person wu have been thinking in the "pagan BOX". U are d person wu says beads are pagan because budha used them, 25 is pagan because sun worshippers used that dat and sunday too. After seeing "pagan, pagan pagan" in everything u still have d effontry to talk abt a pagan box?
I just noticed dat ur anti-catholic campaign isnt yielding fruits except to show me how superstitious u are. U may want to try ur luck here: www.catholicanswersforum.com mayb u wil find new convert there. I wil try to keep off ur arguement u argue with a closed mind and simply repeat some old stories u were told over and over again.

Na you sabi.......

I don't enjoy this argument either......

Truths are what I'm after......

Thank you my dear ""UBE""....

italo:

You don't want to know why non-Catholics kneel and bow to their beds? Is bowing to a bed not idolatry?

Are you sure the Bible condemns repetitive prayers of Catholics?

Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’

who was, and is, and is to come.”

These heavenly beings are obviously very Catholic then. They keep repeating the same prayer forever and ever.

Jesus is also Catholic. He prayed the the cup should pass over him using the same thing THREE times.

The Bible condemns all of us, right?

Italo, my friend, don't you know the difference between praise and prayer?

Matthew 6:7-8
New King James Version (NKJV)

7 And when you pray, do not use
vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be
heard for their many words.
8 “Therefore do not be like them.
For your Father knows the things
you have need of before you ask
Him.

Boomark: Matthew 6:7-8
New King James Version (NKJV)

7 And when you pray, do not use
vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be
heard for their many words.
8 “Therefore do not be like them.
For your Father knows the things
you have need of before you ask
Him.

Thanks for bringing out this point...

Boomark:

Italo, my friend, don't you know the difference between praise and prayer?

Boomark:

Italo, my friend, don't you know the difference between praise and prayer?

Wonders shall never end.There is nothing anti-catholicism will not cause so praise is no longer prayer!!! I wonder what prayer is all about

Matter of fact, Christianity is a just copy cat of different pre-existing pagan religions that they christian crusader later destroyed, persecuted their followers and destroyed every material about their liturgy and litany only to incoorperate them into christian worship.
The concept of death and ressurection of a deity as a means of atonement existed way before Jesus and christians were born. The concept of itenerant Godmen with disciples did not start with the Jesus story. People dying on the cross did not start with jesus either. Most of the miracles attributed to jesus and life situation are similar myth that are already known with other pre-existed godmen. Religion itself is a creation of man, including the fictional and mythical characters they talk about.

ijawkid:
Thanks for bringing out this point...

Christ called those doing that heathen not me. But i will follow his footsteps and also call them heathen.

We are anti-paganism. If catholic is pagan, then
anti-pagan=anti-catholic.

Boomark:

Italo, my friend, don't you know the difference between praise and prayer?

I know.

What was Jesus doing in the Garden of Gethsemane. Praying or Praising?

Boomark: Matthew 6:7-8
New King James Version (NKJV)

7 And when you pray, do not use
vain repetitions as the heathen do.
For they think that they will be
heard for their many words.
8 “Therefore do not be like them.
For your Father knows the things
you have need of before you ask
Him.

Matt. 26:
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the THIRD TIME, saying the SAME THING.

Jesus sounded very Catholic there, didn't he?

italo:

I know.

What was Jesus doing in the Garden of Gethsemane. Praying or Praising?

Did he pray when he went to heaven?

Want you to understand something there. Those that need help and those that don't.

italo:

Matt. 26:
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the THIRD TIME, saying the SAME THING.

Jesus sounded very Catholic there, didn't he?

Do you not understand what He meant when He said do not use vain repetitions as the heathens do. He sounded anti-catholic here and upon that called their likes HEATHEN.

Boomark:

Do you not understand what He meant when He said do not use vain repetitions as the heathens do. He sounded anti-catholic here and upon that called their likes HEATHEN.

Phew, all those them prayerbooks

Boomark:

Italo, my friend, don't you know the difference between praise and prayer?

so in ur village praise is not a type of prayer? Pls just try to b honest 4 once

Ubenedictus: so in ur village praise is not a type of prayer? Pls just try to b honest 4 once

This one na new one o. Kai!

ijawkid:

Na you sabi.......

I don't enjoy this argument either......

Truths are what I'm after......

Thank you my dear ""UBE""....

nah! Never make that mistake and claim "i am after d truth" that is a big lie. I have discussed with u for some time now and i hv seen u used d most ingenious of arguement just to claim u are right. Do u rememba d thread where after we should u d legit use of images u came back screaming that d image can only b legit if God explicitly comanded to make it? Hahaha i remember animal farm "all animals are equal but some i more equal than oda", in ur dictnary all images are equal but sum are more equal.
U don try.

Boomark:

Do you not understand what He meant when He said do not use vain repetitions as the heathens do. He sounded anti-catholic here and upon that called their likes HEATHEN.

my bibo shows me that d angel repeat a prayer continously, am happy to pray like them. If u want to sed paganism in every thing u shuld convict Jesus, he repeated one prayer 3x

italo:

Matt. 26:
39 Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”

42 He went away a second time and prayed, “My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done.”

44 So he left them and went away once more and prayed the THIRD TIME, saying the SAME THING.

Jesus sounded very Catholic there, didn't he?

Kai Jesus just made a jest of these hypocrites here.See as he just destroyed all their baseless arguments.Imagine someone who calls himself a xtian say praise is not prayer!!! Nothing person no go see for nairaland

Ubenedictus: so in ur village praise is not a type of prayer? Pls just try to b honest 4 once

Do you know how to pray?

Go and read our Lords prayer. You can find it in mt 6:9-13.

Boomark:

Do you know how to pray?

Go and read our Lords prayer. You can find it in mt 6:9-13.

At times I wonder if you actually reason before you type.are you sure you really know what praise and worship are all about? The first line of the Lords prayer you mentioned goes thus

"Our father who art in heaven ,hallowed be thy name.thy kingdom come,may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven"

What do you understand by these lines? Is it not obvious there are lines of praise? Your level of ignorance is amazing

Ubenedictus: my bibo shows me that d angel repeat a prayer continously, am happy to pray like them. If u want to sed paganism in every thing u shuld convict Jesus, he repeated one prayer 3x

Where did angels repeat a prayer continuously? I want to learn.

He repeated it a prayer 3x in a space how many seconds for how minutes. He went further and prayed again. Didn't you see that.
Do you know what it means to pray without ceasing? Why not claim that its what you guys.

Am sure He knows why He called them heathen, of which you can't exonerate catholics from no matter how hard you try. They worst is that the vain repetition is even a prayer to Mary.

Boomark:

Where did angels repeat a prayer continuously? I want to learn.

He repeated it a prayer 3x in a space how many seconds for how minutes. He went further and prayed again. Didn't you see that.
Do you know what it means to pray without ceasing? Why not claim that its what you guys.

Am sure He knows why He called them heathen, of which you can't exonerate catholics from no matter how hard you try. They worst is that the vain repetition is even a prayer to Mary.

I don't even know the logic for your argument.Do you ponder to read read what you have written @ all

You claimed catholics pray repetiously to mary contrary to Jesus's command but here you are shown Jesus himself doing the same thing and you are now asking for how many minutes or seconds.how did you come about this absurd conclusion.

Obvious you just read the bible like a novel without any understanding.let me explain that verse for you.

Jesus did not condemn repetious prayers but rather VAIN and repetious prayer.Kindly get that into your skull.for prayer to be condemed it must be VAIN not necessary repetitious

Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[b]

who was, and is, and is to come.”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
    to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
    and by your will they were created
    and have their being.”

Even the 24 elders never stop because the repeat their prayer anytime the four creatures repeat theirs.

This is the word of the Lord!

Ubenedictus: nah! Never make that mistake and claim "i am after d truth" that is a big lie. I have discussed with u for some time now and i hv seen u used d most ingenious of arguement just to claim u are right. Do u rememba d thread where after we should u d legit use of images u came back screaming that d image can only b legit if God explicitly comanded to make it? Hahaha i remember animal farm "all animals are equal but some i more equal than oda", in ur dictnary all images are equal but sum are more equal.
U don try.

Does using the rosary sound like the truth to your ears??......

Only pagans use beads in worship and in prayer.....

Or are you a muslim??.....

Boomark:

Do you know how to pray?

Go and read our Lords prayer. You can find it in mt 6:9-13.

even in d lords prayer there is 'prayer of praise" there. What is "hallowed b thy name" if it isnt praise? So in ur village praise isnt a type of prayer?

italo: Rev 4:8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

“‘Holy, holy, holy

is the Lord God Almighty,’[b]

who was, and is, and is to come.”

9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
    to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things,
    and by your will they were created
    and have their being.”

Even the 24 elders never stop because the repeat their prayer anytime the four creatures repeat theirs.

This is the word of the Lord!

Please can you write out verbatim what you say when you use the rosary and let's compare it with the words of praise the 24 elders /the living creatures render to the almighty??...

And let's also find out if they were using prayer beads up there in heaven.....

I tire for ona....

Boomark:

Where did angels repeat a prayer continuously? I want to learn.

He repeated it a prayer 3x in a space how many seconds for how minutes. He went further and prayed again. Didn't you see that.
Do you know what it means to pray without ceasing? Why not claim that its what you guys.

Am sure He knows why He called them heathen, of which you can't exonerate catholics from no matter how hard you try. They worst is that the vain repetition is even a prayer to Mary.

open ur bible to rev, u will find them doing their "holy,holy holy" yet u are telling me that any repetition is pagan.

ijawkid:

Does using the rosary sound like the truth to your ears??......

yeah

Only pagans use beads in worship and in prayer.....

Or are you a muslim??.....

before christ only pagans believed that a being from heaven could take human flesh. Does that mean that christ is fake? Why is ur logic alway defective?

ijawkid:

Please can you write out verbatim what you say when you use the rosary and let's compare it with the words of praise the 24 elders /the living creatures render to the almighty??...

And let's also find out if they were using prayer beads up there in heaven.....

I tire for ona....

the ingenious ijawkid and his gymnastics. U guys said it is totally wrong to REPEAT prayers, we showed u that prayers are repeated in scriptures now u are diving to d meaning of d prayers and d types.
U see what i mean wen i say u are ingenious?

Ubenedictus: the ingenious ijawkid and his gymnastics. U guys said it is totally wrong to REPEAT prayers, we showed u that prayers are repeated in scriptures now u are diving to d meaning of d prayers and d types.
U see what i mean wen i say u are ingenious?

SMH!!!!!!........

What prayers??......

""Holy mÀry mothe® of GOD please pray for us""??


Is that It??

You repeat those words like primary school kids that recently just learnt how to say the nigerian pledge.......

And you repeat that ""pagan"" slogan morning and evening......

And worse of all,you do that while counting your beads.....

How pagan can that get!!!!!!!!.......

You think that is what tho§e living creatures Àre doing in he
aven??

Ubenedictus: yeah

The last time I checked ""Truths"" were found in the scriptures......can I find the use of beads in worship in the scriptures??..

Ubenedictus:
before christ only pagans believed that a being from heaven could take human flesh. Does that mean that christ is fake? Why is ur logic alway defective?

And who told you the Jews never knew how the messiah would come .....

Those same Jews had earlier known how. Angels materialized and was welcomed by there fore-fathers........

Christ isn't fake,that is why the scriptures talked about Him....

Does the scripture say anything about the rosary??..

Mr ""UBE"".....:-)

ijawkid:

The last time I checked ""Truths"" were found in the scriptures......can I find the use of beads in worship in the scriptures??..


And who told you the Jews never knew how the messiah would come .....

Those same Jews had earlier known how. Angels materialized and was welcomed by there fore-fathers........

Christ isn't fake,that is why the scriptures talked about Him....

Does the scripture say anything about the rosary??..

Mr ""UBE"".....:-)

Ol boy go siddon joor.u no get talk.your arguments are always inconsistent