Hmmmm....Why do we like segregating blacks from Africans? We're all the same people!

Black women are naturally angry, it isn't just an AA thing...

Most Nigerian women are angry and they have got a massive chip on their shoulders!

^ action and reaction.

Perhaps the "so-called" anger is their reaction to men, black men deficiencies.

Some black women are rude others are just frustrated, some aggressive and the rest are docile/quiet. We are no different from other women. We only get called out because we do stuff that is off the wall and unnecessary at times.

@shymmex we are the same because of our race but our outlooks and cultures are different.

Africans, Americans, Caribbeans don't always think or do things the same.

stillwater:

You bring fresh insights to this topic. But I want to be clear on something. Is it your premise that Black women can handle whatever issues involving them without support? Because I see rhymz actions as support not sympathy.

Thank you.
Yes they can, they did before. Same for black men, they have to go at it alone. Lending and soliciting support from other groups is fine as line as that cooperation only runs the course of that issue and both groups walk away with what they wanted. I hurt my hand so I can't type as much as I want right now.

birdman:

Yes you did. "Shaping" or whatever you want to call it is still the blame game. Accept responsibility for your own actions. And Im not uncomfortable or angry about anything

There is no "your" here, its called cultural reflection meaning its more accessible and objective than your personal perspective. This did make you uncomfortable, not because it wasn't true, but because you can't rebut adequately.

Blyss:

Wrong. I'm 100% Black-American or African-American as you call us. By the way, I work with a shiat load of white guys, and a few white females, all the time. All of the guys, with the exception of one are married to white women, and the the one whom isn't is married to a Black-American woman. Now often times, during downtime in the work day groups of us would sit around and randomly talk about home life and the likes, and I swear to god that I am happy as shiat that the lord gave me the fortitude to stay away from white girls. The stories they tell about their wives makes the shiat brothas complain about with their black wives, look mediocre. The dudes go through HELL with these white women. 40% of them, don't even sleep in the same room as their wives anymore, not to mention have an intimate relationship with them.

Their wives are total control freaks, some of these dudes even give up their weakly checks to their wives every week. Most of their wives don't work, don't want to work and don't feel as they they should have to work and so they don't even bother looking for a job, despite the fact of that their family could really use some extra income. When these dudes get up the nerve to address them about the issue, they get cussed out and call Lazy, no good, stupid and all kinds of shiat; they even get the "My mother told me I shouldn't of married your no good azz" and the "I cant believe I was stupid enough to have kids with you" comment from them constantly.

It's gotten so bad that I'll say another 5% of the dudes just moved on out the house to go live with their parents, a friend, or in a hotel, because even sleeping in a separate room wasn't enough. The only reason they stay with these women is because they don't want to lose all their money and property to these women when they leave them. They don't really care about the kids too much, because the mother has most them hatting his guts anyway.

I mean I can go on all day with this, but the moral of what I'm getting at, is that it's not just a black-American thing, it's an AMERICAN WOMAN thing. AMERICAN women period, no matter what Color they are, all act the same. They all carry the same attitudes, demand the same things, and threaten you with the same threats if shiat don't go their way. Many are nice but many are also mean as hell, but BA are just a much more vocal group than others in regard to their issues and unfortunately, find nothing wrong in airing out their issues randomly around public forms.

I am 100% and I'll be addressing your post in a few days.

Denise216:

Thank you.
Yes they can, they did before. Same for black men, they have to go at it alone. Lending and soliciting support from other groups is fine as line as that cooperation only runs the course of that issue and both groups walk away with what they wanted. I hurt my hand so I can't type as much as I want right now.

Sorry about your hand. But don't you think we are better off carrying each other (black men/women) along. Because I see a situation of black women making these progresses, but black men being left behind and there's a lack of education of our issues on the men's part. For instance the revolution of natural hair among black women. It's good but many black men are still irreconcilable to our hair type. So I feel as much as we can achieve this alone, if the other is illiterate to our causes, it would drag us back. When I see shows like 'black girls rock', 'my black is beautiful', I often wonder if there are shows for black boys too (correct me if I'm wrong). . . We don't want a situation where the girls are being enlightened and the boys are left behind. To be honest I think the guys need these type of shows more.

stillwater:

Sorry about your hand. But don't you think we are better off carrying each other (black men/women) along. Because I see a situation of black women making these progresses, but black men being left behind and there's a lack of education of our issues on the men's part. For instance the revolution of natural hair among black women. It's good but many black men are still irreconcilable to our hair type. So I feel as much as we can achieve this alone, if the other is illiterate to our causes, it would drag us back. When I see shows like 'black girls rock', 'my black is beautiful', I often wonder if there are shows for black boys too (correct me if I'm wrong). . . We don't want a situation where the girls are being enlightened and the boys are left behind. To be honest I think the guys need these type of shows more.

Thanks, it'll get better but it sucks typing with 6 fingers . I don't know how much you know about blackgirlsrock or natural hair (an industry and forum, not movement) but they were started by average, everyday women. They didn't wait for Oprah and they're not waiting no the First Lady either. What is stopping black men from doing the same for boys? They have more resources and clout in society and in the black population than black women so you might want to ask; why black men haven't answered this demand?

Black women have their own priorities and issues that affect them more directly, several being a matter of mortality and quality of life, than issues that affect black men. Black men need to build their own platform to address the needs of men and boys. Some already are and there is little complaint from black women about them being not being inclusive to girls. When the black sexes get together they don't carry each other, everyone carries black men and sometimes at the expense of black boys.

[/b]If you ask any black man how systemic racism affects black women they'll give you 1 or both of the following ways if any at all:
White Beauty Standards
Under-educates, Under-employs, and Over-incarcerates Black Men so that Black Women don't have husbands.[b]

The first reduces black women's perspective on racism to one of vanity. For Black men inequality for Black women is rooted their looks, not in the marginalization of their academic, social, and political potential.
The second places black men at the center of racial victim hood as if it isn't possible for black women to experience racial discrimination independent of black men.

This is why Black women need to maintain a separate platform. Black men aren't interested in how racism or even gender marginalization affects black women or care......and that is completely okay with me. But if and when there is a demand/request to divert resources or efforts from black women and girls to black men and boys because they aren't interested or don't care, that isn't okay with me.

*Kails*:
@shymmex we are the same because of our race but our outlooks and cultures are different.

Africans, Americans, Caribbeans don't always think or do things the same.

When I said, we're the same, I was talking about our struggle in the grand scheme of things vis-a-vis our social status in the world, in comparison to other races.... And our struggles are similar albeit different experiences...

It would be simplistic to classify our thought process(es) into African, Caribbean, and AA - because there are tons of African whose thought process is similar to AAs and Caribbeans than other Africans and vice versa... Everything depends on your experience, awareness about the world, and your level of consciousness... Personally, I can relate to certain AAs and Caribbeans than most Nigerians - and there are loads of Nigerians like that on this forum...

Culture isn't just about the outfit, food, and the language, it's a state of mind... I can also argue that there are loads of AAs and Caribbeans who're culturally more African than most Africans...

Back to the topic:

Are black women always angry? - Absolutely yes!

Is it just an AA and Caribbean thing? - Hell no African women are also always angry - add rude to their temperament...

Why are they angry? - I don't know... Perhaps it's because they're trying to ascertain where they fit in the world... However, you can't really blame them for being angry... The black woman has been disrespected, degraded, and abused for too long - I guess she's just trying to stand up for herself, and say: enough is enough... It's probably a subconscious thing....

ifyalways: ^ action and reaction.

Perhaps the "so-called" anger is their reaction to men, black men deficiencies.

I agree that black men have deficiencies, however, all race of men have deficiencies as well... But why is anger only aimed at black men??

The whole world has disrespected and degraded black women... However, it seems the "reaction" is only directed towards black men, why can't black women be angry at the world?

shymexx:

When I said, we're the same, I was talking about our struggle in the grand scheme of things vis-a-vis our social status in the world, in comparison to other races.... And our struggles are similar albeit different experiences...

It would be simplistic to classify our thought process(es) into African, Caribbean, and AA - because there are tons of African whose thought process is similar to AAs and Caribbeans than other Africans and vice versa... Everything depends on your experience, awareness about the world, and your level of consciousness... Personally, I can relate to certain AAs and Caribbeans than most Nigerians - and there are loads of Nigerians like that on this forum...

Culture isn't just about the outfit, food, and the language, it's a state of mind... I can also argue that there are loads of AAs and Caribbeans who're culturally more African than most Africans...

Back to the topic:

Are black women always angry? - Absolutely yes!

Is it just an AA and Caribbean thing? - Hell no African women are also always angry - add rude to their temperament...

Why are they angry? - I don't know... Perhaps it's because they're trying to ascertain where they fit in the world... However, you can't really blame them for being angry... The black woman has been disrespected, degraded, and abused for too long - I guess she's just trying to stand up for herself, and say: enough is enough... It's probably a subconscious thing....

Wow. You have some really good points.
im impressed. I was more so talking about classification but you have a point.

shymexx:

When I said, we're the same, I was talking about our struggle in the grand scheme of things vis-a-vis our social status in the world, in comparison to other races.... And our struggles are similar albeit different experiences...

It would be simplistic to classify our thought process(es) into African, Caribbean, and AA - because there are tons of African whose thought process is similar to AAs and Caribbeans than other Africans and vice versa... Everything depends on your experience, awareness about the world, and your level of consciousness... Personally, I can relate to certain AAs and Caribbeans than most Nigerians - and there are loads of Nigerians like that on this forum...

Culture isn't just about the outfit, food, and the language, it's a state of mind... I can also argue that there are loads of AAs and Caribbeans who're culturally more African than most Africans...

Back to the topic:

Are black women always angry? - Absolutely yes!

Is it just an AA and Caribbean thing? - Hell no African women are also always angry - add rude to their temperament...

Why are they angry? - I don't know... Perhaps it's because they're trying to ascertain where they fit in the world... However, you can't really blame them for being angry... The black woman has been disrespected, degraded, and abused for too long - I guess she's just trying to stand up for herself, and say: enough is enough... It's probably a subconscious thing....

They have stood up for themselves, in fact when they do that is when they're seen as "angry" when their not, they're just making the people who participate in their marginalization uncomfortable.

This is from a Jamaican writer who does in fact live in Jamaica. I don't square with everything he says be his is nothing if not consistent. Plus he has naked women on his blog on for the gentlemen that might need some incentive to view a different perspective, his post with several shirtless men is why I tuned in-being honest here. But I figure it this way, if it comes from a man you might believe it more and this kind of dove tails with my premise for black women maintaining a separate platform and identify as whole persons; as black women, not just black people who happen to be women.

http://satanforce./about/

"That black women have, for the most part, disengaged themselves from issues of race is lamentable, but it was inevitable. You believe that black women still think of themselves as being a part of a community that is called Black People? Then go outside, and take a walk. Count how many Rastamen you see. Repeat that walk. Count how many Rastawomen you see. Maybe you live in another country, so repeat this exercise with Five-Percent Nation or Nation of Islam instead. I’m looking at something like a 6.2 to 1 ratio in favour (or rather, displeasure) of the men.

The reason why I chose those particular organizations is because in their respective societies, they represent the political vanguard of what is considered “Blackness” in each of their countries. Each of them eventually developed a culture of misogyny that was an exaggerated mirror of the the very societies that they claimed to be against. According to Barry Chevannes, Rastafari’s dominance by the House of Nyahbinghi in the 1940s, saw it take a fundamentalist turn, that embraced Old Testament biblical literalism. Specifically, the Book of Leviticus, complete with the cleanliness laws that have alienated black women from Rastafari – and by extension, most other black movements.

That’s just one example. Whether it be Stokely Carmichael telling black women that their only position in SNCC is “prone”, not to mention the treatment of women in the Black Panther Party, one cannot blame black women for being skeptical of any black movement. Here is Elaine Brown in th Black Panther Party.

“A woman in the Black Power movement was considered, at best, irrelevant. A woman asserting herself was a pariah. If a black woman assumed a role of leadership, she was said to be eroding black manhood, to be hindering the progress of the black race. She was an enemy of the black people…. I knew I had to muster something mighty to manage the Black Panther Party.”

The above statement epitomizes everything that would keep black women away from any movement that involved blackness or Black Power."

Denise216:
They have stood up for themselves, in fact when they do that is when they're seen as "angry" when their not, they're just making the people who participate in their marginalization uncomfortable.

So, black men are the only ones who "marginalised" them, no? How come this anger is never directed towards to degraded and have continued to make their standard of beauty irrelevant?? How about channeling the same anger towards the race of people who raped them during slavery and colonisation, and made them maids/servants/slaves? If you want to be angry, be angry at everyone, not just black men...

Black women's anger is synonymous with black thugs/gangsters' anger - you know why? Because they direct their anger at the wrong people... Black women are angry at black men, while black thugs/gangsters are angry at one another - a case of misdirected anger...

Denise216:
http://satanforce./about/

"That black women have, for the most part, disengaged themselves from issues of race is lamentable, but it was inevitable. You believe that black women still think of themselves as being a part of a community that is called Black People? Then go outside, and take a walk. Count how many Rastamen you see. Repeat that walk. Count how many Rastawomen you see. Maybe you live in another country, so repeat this exercise with Five-Percent Nation or Nation of Islam instead. I’m looking at something like a 6.2 to 1 ratio in favour (or rather, displeasure) of the men.

The reason why I chose those particular organizations is because in their respective societies, they represent the political vanguard of what is considered “Blackness” in each of their countries. Each of them eventually developed a culture of misogyny that was an exaggerated mirror of the the very societies that they claimed to be against. According to Barry Chevannes, Rastafari’s dominance by the House of Nyahbinghi in the 1940s, saw it take a fundamentalist turn, that embraced Old Testament biblical literalism. Specifically, the Book of Leviticus, complete with the cleanliness laws that have alienated black women from Rastafari – and by extension, most other black movements.

That’s just one example. Whether it be Stokely Carmichael telling black women that their only position in SNCC is “prone”, not to mention the treatment of women in the Black Panther Party, one cannot blame black women for being skeptical of any black movement. Here is Elaine Brown in th Black Panther Party.

“A woman in the Black Power movement was considered, at best, irrelevant. A woman asserting herself was a pariah. If a black woman assumed a role of leadership, she was said to be eroding black manhood, to be hindering the progress of the black race. She was an enemy of the black people…. I knew I had to muster something mighty to manage the Black Panther Party.”

The above statement epitomizes everything that would keep black women away from any movement that involved blackness or Black Power."

Nah, the above statement epitomises a crass, myopic, and simplistic thought process... For every Elaine Brown in the Black Panther Party - there were Assata Shakur and Afeni Shakur who marched with and led the struggle...

Maya Angelou marched with both MLK and Malcolm X - and Mama Harriet Tubman never needed a nod from black men before she started freeing slaves... If you're down for the cause, you're down for it - you don't need approve from black men to do that....

Women like: Mama Kefa Nephthys, Lana "Isis" Drakes, Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing, Queen Mother Moore etc.. did what they had to do without seeking approval from black men...

shymexx:

So, black men are the only ones who "marginalised" them, no? How come this anger is never directed towards to degraded and have continued to make their standard of beauty irrelevant?? How about channeling the same anger towards the race of people who raped them during slavery and colonisation, and made them maids/servants/slaves? If you want to be angry, be angry at everyone, not just black men...

Black women's anger is synonymous with black thugs/gangsters' anger - you know why? Because they direct their anger at the wrong people... Black women are angry at black men, while black thugs/gangsters are angry at one another - a case of misdirected anger...

Didn't say black men were the only group to do anything to black women (and v. v.) and the "anger" makes its rounds. Again all you got was "beauty" out of it. So I'll say it again, separate platform , better results. I'm still trying to figure how black women were just maids, slaves, and servants before 1964, then again this is how black men see the history of black women. You don't know all they accomplished, just that they are "angry". Unfortunately the arrogance in the AA male perspective can only see black women working and living in one direction and in a single facet. Thank you for proving my point. My ancestors are dead and at peace. You and I don't have the capacity to fully understand what they went through. So it would be nice if they weren't trotted out every time a black guy has an issue with how black women operate. Its gets pretty redundant after a while.

Denise216:
Didn't say black men were the only group to do anything to black women (and v. v.) and the "anger" makes its rounds. Again all you got was "beauty" out of it. So I'll say it again, separate platform , better results. I'm still trying to figure how black women were just maids, slaves, and servants before 1964, then again this is how black men see the history of black women. You don't know all they accomplished, just that they are "angry". Unfortunately the arrogance in the AA male perspective can only see black women working and living in one direction and in a single facet. Thank you for proving my point. My ancestors are dead and at peace. You and I don't have the capacity to fully understand what they went through. So it would be nice if they weren't trotted out every time a black guy has an issue with how black women operate. Its gets pretty redundant after a while.

Don't quote me out of context - I was alluding to those who actually wronged and degraded black women during slavery and colonisation - and why black women have refused to direct their anger towards them but black men... You might want to feign ignorance, however, every student of history knows that from the 18th century - to mid 20th century - most black women were either raped, slaves, and maids for certain people - from the Americas to Europe and Africa... My grandmother is from the Egba stock in Nigeria(mixed race looking Nigerian woman) - and I know her ancestors were definitely raped, just like many Egba people and Igbo people of Nigeria...

My point is that - why are black women not angry at white men, rather most black women worship white people... However, their innate anger is only directed towards black men?? Black men aren't perfect - and we've gone through a lot, and we're still going through a lot, yet our women can't let us rest... They stay nagging!! Misdirected anger is problematic - I'll like to see black women channel this anger against those people who have kept us in perpetual servitude, degraded them, and have continued to make them feel worthless by making their standard of beauty worthless...

Obviously, there were black women who were not raped, maids, and slaves - however, they were still part of the collective servitude - go figure...

shymexx:

Nah, the above statement epitomises a crass, myopic, and simplistic thought process... For every Elaine Brown in the Black Panther Party - there were Assata Shakur and Afeni Shakur who marched with and led the struggle...

Maya Angelou marched with both MLK and Malcolm X - and Mama Harriet Tubman never needed a nod from black men before she started freeing slaves... If you're down for the cause, you're down for it - you don't need approve from black men to do that....

Women like: Mama Kefa Nephthys, Lana "Isis" Drakes, Dr. Frances Cress-Welsing, Queen Mother Moore etc.. did what they had to do without seeking approval from black men...

That wasn't really my point but that is something you can argue with him on his blog. My point was that black men tend to not take black women's issues seriously despite equal contributions. In my opinion the whole Black Power Movement was a bad idea. It got nothing accomplished and since it did no internal policing left the gate open so that criminals were able to run off the black middle class and exploit the vulnerabilities of the black poor and elderly.

Notice how your tone changed though, you're not even writing to me anymore, you're giving a speech in HTML..LOL. There are quite a few women you referenced that I don't admire at all because their "contributions" were superficial. They didn't build any schools, they didn't start any businesses, they didn't reduce criminal activity in their neighborhoods, they didn't promote sexual safety or responsibility among black women, and they definitely didn't make sure black women learned about the accomplishments of black women before them. Probably because they were black-male identified. Ironically the black women before them did a lot more with a lot less. BTW, marching with MLK isn't a big deal because it wasn't his march (you should read about how he just so happened to give a speech at the March on Washington while the scheduled speaker, James Baldwin didn't). Tubman did her thing in the late 19th century...........when black abolitionist women had a (say it with me) a separate platform and identity. See how I just brought you back on topic?

shymexx:

Don't quote me out of context - I was alluding to those who actually wronged and degraded black women during slavery and colonisation - and why black women have refused to direct their anger towards them but black men... You might want to feign ignorance, however, every student of history knows that from the 18th century - to mid 20th century - most black women were either raped, slaves, and maids for certain people - from the Americas to Europe and Africa... My grandmother is from the Egba stock in Nigeria(mixed race looking Nigerian woman) - and I know her ancestors were definitely raped, just like many Egba people and Igbo people of Nigeria...

My point is that - why are black women not angry at white men, rather most black women worship white people... However, their innate anger is only directed towards black men?? Black men aren't perfect - and we've gone through a lot, and we're still going through a lot, yet our women can't let us rest... They stay nagging!! Misdirected anger is problematic - I'll like to see black women channel this anger against those people who have kept us in perpetual servitude, degraded them, and have continued to make them feel worthless by making their standard of beauty worthless...

Obviously, there were black women who were not raped, maids, and slaves - however, they were still part of the collective servitude - go figure...

And there is the script; black women mad at black men and not white men. I didn't take your statement out of context, it put it right were it belongs-under the black male perspective, a very narrow interpretation of black female life before Civil Rights. Since you haven't studied the history of black women in the US, because you're not interested not because the information isn't available, you opt for the more convenient narrative and repeat it. Just like bringing up beauty as the main cause for black women's frustration with racism or interpreting black women's reaction to consistent provocation as innate "anger" and not a critique of the status quo are examples of arrogant dismissal. Nothing about the Black Women's Labor Unions that they created to negotiate higher wages or their labor strikes. Nothing about the schools built by and for black women to train them in Domestic Sciences (their phrase not mine) so they could work as maids, like there is something wrong with being a maid, and nothing about black women using their earnings to fund their organization, charities, and take care of their families. As if is some how they resented the means by which they contributed to their families and communities. On the record most of this stuff happened as early as 1862 and that is my HTML speech to you. There are issues more pressing for black women than being promoting like white women for their beauty, trust me. The charge of worshiping white people is odd considering how pre-occupied black women are with what black men are doing and saying. Hopefully as time goes on and the idea spreads black women will spent more time worried about their quality of life and not some cheap shot from yet another black comedian.

Denise216:
That wasn't really my point but that is something you can argue with him on his blog. My point was that black men tend to not take black women's issues seriously despite equal contributions. In my opinion the whole Black Power Movement was a bad idea. It got nothing accomplished and since it did no internal policing left the gate open so that criminals were able to run off the black middle class and exploit the vulnerabilities of the black poor and elderly.

Notice how your tone changed though, you're not even writing to me anymore, you're giving a speech in HTML..LOL. There are quite a few women you referenced that I don't admire at all because their "contributions" were superficial. They didn't build any schools, they didn't start any businesses, they didn't reduce criminal activity in their neighborhoods, they didn't promote sexual safety or responsibility among black women, and they definitely didn't make sure black women learned about the accomplishments of black women before them. Probably because they were black-male identified. Ironically the black women before them did a lot more with a lot less. BTW, marching with MLK isn't a big deal because it wasn't his march (you should read about how he just so happened to give a speech at the March on Washington while the scheduled speaker, James Baldwin didn't). Tubman did her thing in the late 19th century...........when black abolitionist women had a (say it with me) a separate platform and identity. See how I just brought you back on topic?

Black Power Movement was actually a good idea because it birthed the Civil Rights Movement, HBCUs, Black Businesses, Afrocentrism etc.. However, every critical thinker would argue that Civil Rights Movement was the bad idea(at that period) because black people were not ready for desegregation/integration/competition with white people who had an advantage over them economically and educationally... Perhaps, that was why black wall street and black business collapsed because there was nothing in place to stiff the competition against the more advantageous white people...

Black Power Movement also birthed the fight against colonisation in Africa - and a new wave of Pan-Africanists in Europe... And we intelligent blacks from the African continent and Europe will forever be grateful to our AA brothers and sisters for leading the way... However, that's a topic for another day...

Marching and taking a stand means a lot... Everything isn't about building structures - sometimes educating minds and inspiring people means a lot... Those women did that - and they inspired a generation...

Denise216:
And there is the script; black women mad at black men and not white men. I didn't take your statement out of context, it put it right were it belongs-under the black male perspective, a very narrow interpretation of black female life before Civil Rights. Since you haven't studied the history of black women in the US, because you're not interested not because the information isn't available, you opt for the more convenient narrative and repeat it. Just like bringing up beauty as the main cause for black women's frustration with racism or interpreting black women's reaction to consistent provocation as innate "anger" and not a critique of the status quo are examples of arrogant dismissal. Nothing about the Black Women's Labor Unions that they created to negotiate higher wages or their labor strikes. Nothing about the schools built by and for black women to train them in Domestic Sciences (their phrase not mine) so they could work as maids, like there is something wrong with being a maid, and nothing about black women using their earnings to fund their organization, charities, and take care of their families. As if is some how they resented the means by which they contributed to their families and communities. On the record most of this stuff happened as early as 1862 and that is my HTML speech to you. There are issues more pressing for black women than being promoting like white women for their beauty, trust me. The charge of worshiping white people is odd considering how pre-occupied black women are with what black men are doing and saying. Hopefully as time goes on and the idea spreads black women will spent more time worried about their quality of life and not some cheap shot from yet another black comedian.

However, black women need to direct that innate anger at the right places, focus on home-building, and stop disturbing black men... No one wants a nagging and angry wife, after the baggage that comes with being a black man... You lot are meant to be helpers, and not destroyers...

And if the standard-of-beauty weren't "an issue" with black women - I wonder why you lot are stuck on weaves, lacefronts, skin toning/bleaching, and attachments... We all know most black women suffer from inferiority complex - and trying so hard to look like white women... You lot want to be white so bad that you have lost your identity... Being nappy headed is a sin for black women now, no? Perhaps, that also contributed to the innate anger...

shymexx:

Black Power Movement was actually a good idea because it birthed the Civil Rights Movement, HBCUs, Black Businesses, Afrocentrism etc.. However, every critical thinker would argue that Civil Rights Movement was the bad idea(at that period) because black people were not ready for desegregation/integration/competition with white people who had an advantage over them economically and educationally... Perhaps, that was why black wall street and black business collapsed because there was nothing in place to stiff the competition against the more advantageous white people...

Black Power Movement also birthed the fight against colonisation in Africa - and a new wave of Pan-Africanists in Europe... And we intelligent blacks from the African continent and Europe will forever be grateful to our AA brothers and sisters for leading the way... However, that's a topic for another day...

Marching and taking a stand means a lot... Everything isn't about building structures - sometimes educating minds and inspiring people means a lot... Those women did that - and they inspired a generation...

No, Civil Rights came first and the Black Power Movement developed during that time frame due to young black men's dissatisfaction with non-violent activism. HBCUs and black businesses weren't started under the auspices of Black Power, not when 6 of the oldest HBCU's were funded by whites, white men to be exact. The You can romanticize the impact of Black Power by giving it a new address and international virtue than but we know what happened in the US and what it didn't do. I don't recall stating Civil Rights was a good idea, just not as bad at Black Power and the impact of Black Power on Black women. Integration would have happened on its own but the opportunity to stabilize black neighborhoods was passed on, that is the main flaw I see in Civil Rights.

shymexx:

However, black women need to direct that innate anger at the right places, focus on home-building, and stop disturbing black men... No one wants a nagging and angry wife, after the baggage that comes with being a black man... You lot are meant to be helpers, and not destroyers...

And if the standard-of-beauty weren't "an issue" with black women - I wonder why you lot are stuck on weaves, lacefronts, skin toning/bleaching, and attachments... We all know most black women suffer from inferiority complex - and trying so hard to look like white women... You lot want to be white so bad that you have lost your identity... Being nappy headed is a sin for black women now, no? Perhaps, that also contributed to the innate anger...

This is a rant so I know I can't take this as seriously as I would the price of gasoline or what kind of creamer to put in my tea. Look at the language; "Your lot" (I had to correct your typo if that's okay), "inferior complex", "lost identity", pretty much anything to solicit an emotional response. I'm going to tell how I avoid falling in to that trap. You could say we're having a huddle over the internet. The way I keep from getting upset about what black men have to say about black is............*whispering* I don't care what black men think about anything that pertains to black women-period. This applies especially to black men I don't know personally.

Denise216:
This is a rant so I know I can't take this as seriously as I would the price of gasoline or what kind of creamer to put in my tea. Look at the language; "Your lot" (I had to correct your typo if that's okay), "inferior complex", "lost identity", pretty much anything to solicit an emotional response. I'm going to tell how I avoid falling in to that trap. You could say we're having a huddle over the internet. The way I keep from getting upset about what black men have to say about black is............*whispering* I don't care what black men think about anything that pertains to black women-period. This applies especially to black men I don't know personally.

"You lot" isn't a typo, it's MODERN ENGLISH - and a common way of speaking and writing in the UK, British English mate..

You could call my retort a rant, if you wish to - however, I'm just keeping it real and showing you why your argument is flawed... Perhaps, if you could look at the points I raised critically, you would agree with me...

You asserted that black women don't care about the "standard-of beauty" - yet black women look more European that they have ever looked(European standard-of-beauty is the generally accepted standard)...

To be honest, I don't really care about black women and how they choose to lead their lives... The thread was opened to ask questions and I gave my personal opinions on what I know whilst keeping it 100% real...

shymexx:

"You lot" isn't a typo, it's MODERN ENGLISH - and a common way of speaking and writing in the UK, British English mate..

You could call my retort a rant, if you wish to - however, I'm just keeping it real and showing you why your argument is flawed... Perhaps, if you could look at the points I raised critically, you would agree with me...

You asserted that black women don't care about the "standard-of beauty" - yet black women look more European that they have ever looked(European standard-of-beauty is the generally accepted standard)...

To be honest, I don't really care about black women and how they choose to lead their lives... The thread was opened to ask questions and I gave my personal opinions on what I know whilst keeping it 100% real...

Fine I'll take the hit on the spell check, not a big deal. Not being in the UK makes me unfamiliar with British grammar, kind of like AA women's history to a black man living in the UK. But it is a rant meant to solicit a certain response. The idea isn't to get you to agree with me. I think that is another arrogant assumption on your part. You don't get to set priorities for black women and asking me to address an issue that is trivial compared to other issues is again, arrogant and even intrusive. I never said black women didn't care about beauty, I said they have bigger fish to fry. Just like relating to black men romantically is trivial. My opinion is that black women should distance themselves from black men in identity and platform. I haven't heard a good reason not to keep this premise.

Denise216:
Fine I'll take the hit on the spell check, not a big deal. Not being in the UK makes me unfamiliar with British grammar, kind of like AA women's history to a black man living in the UK. But it is a rant meant to solicit a certain response. The idea isn't to get you to agree with me. I think that is another arrogant assumption on your part. You don't get to set priorities for black women and asking me to address an issue that is trivial compared to other issues is again, arrogant and even intrusive. I never said black women didn't care about beauty, I said they have bigger fish to fry. Just like relating to black men romantically is trivial. My opinion is that black women should distance themselves from black men in identity and platform. I haven't heard a good reason not to keep this premise.

My post was about black women in general and their innate anger, especially towards black men... We all have similar history albeit different experiences, and I think I'm in a position to speak about what's fundamentally wrong with black women... I'm a realist and I tell it as it is - soliciting a "certain response" by maliciously trying to label people what they're not isn't my thing...

shymexx:

My post was about black women in general and their innate anger, especially towards black men... We all have similar history albeit different experiences, and I think I'm in a position to speak about what's fundamentally wrong with black women... I'm a realist and I tell it as it is - soliciting a "certain response" by maliciously trying to label people what they're not isn't my thing...

There is no innate anger, just a critique of the status quo and no you're really not in a position to diagnose black women, "I think" isn't a recognized credential.

Denise216:
There is no innate anger, just a critique of the status quo and no you're really not in a position to diagnose black women, "I think" isn't a recognized credential.

Why do you think I'm not in a position to diagnose black women?

ok at h-star89 you dummy...so when an African like myself fills out some type of card like a test or birth certificate....i should bubble the separate section that says specify your race: AFRICAN..... ........U r one dumb Bleep to think that black only means AAs....we as africans too have black skin so we r seen as black all over the world...so if someone like D.L hugly wants to make a statement about AAs, he has to specifically say AAs and not black....because when does say black...we assume he is talking about all of us...including those outside of the U.S........gosh u r so dumb.... .......don't mean to be rude but u r........and stillwater....shutup...that guy rymz was actually defending AA women, but because of ur loud mouth, u couldn't see that and headed straight for the attack......

shymexx:
Why do you think I'm not in a position to diagnose black women?

For the same reason a white man is in no position to construct a hierarchy of priorities for black men. He will be working from a position that benefits his group, not yours. He'll consider it his duty as a white man to "correct" your perspective of systemic racism and de facto discrimination because you as a black man have a chip on your shoulder and thus incapable of seeing reason. In his mind if you black men would just work on dressing nicer, not disturbing "decent folk" with your behavior, and tried to get along with white men instead of being stuck in the past you black men would be fine. Only instead of using the gender filter you use on black women he'll use a racial one to judge the validity of your statement, after all he (1) sees your blackness as a burden that he is lucky not to have to shoulder and (2) believes that he is more informed on your situation than you are based on his limited experience or perception of racism, not your lifetime of exposure and analysis.

Swap "white man" or "black man" and "black men" for "black women" and its just about fit. Keep in mind this white man is trying to tell you what you should care about based on his own interpretations because he didn't think it was important enough to ask you.