Everyday we hear the slogan "Islam is a religion of peace" yet the actual manifestation is VIOLENCE all over. Boko Haram is an example. Killing innocent masses in the name of religion? Is that PEACE?

Prophet muhammed said....(S.A.W) that you can't be a muslim unless you love your neighbor as your self! Are u satisfied

abrajproperties: Prophet muhammed said....(S.A.W) that you can't be a muslim unless you love your neighbor as your self! Are u satisfied

So have you muslims been loving your neighbours as yourselves?

CrazyMan:
So have you muslims been loving your neighbours as yourselves?

Believe it or not, they sort of have, even when blowing people up. For instance, a muslim might feel that were he not muslim he would like someone to force him to be a muslim so he could see the light, ditto xtians or any doctrine, philosophy, etc. Hence the problem with the golden rule.

wiegraf: Believe it or not, they sort of have, even when blowing people up. For instance, a muslim might feel that were he not muslim he would like someone to force him to be a muslim so he could see the light, ditto xtians or any doctrine, philosophy, etc. Hence the problem with the golden rule.

The bolded shows clearly that they haven't....cos only hatred can make you think of killing someone, without bothering whether you're going to die in the process.

CrazyMan:
The bolded shows clearly that they haven't....cos only hatred can make you think of killing someone, without bothering whether you're going to die in the process.

Not when 72 virgins are involved. Not to mention, if they kill these infidels, who were on their way to hell in the first place, allah would be even more pleased with them. And the people these infidels could have influenced by turning them away from islam will now be less likely to end up as infidels. They also get to strike some of the fear of allah into other infidels. It does not require blind rage, just logic based on faulty premises.

So, by killing a few kaffirs, they've now brought the fear of allah to their relatives and loved ones, to their society. This fear of allah is something they would reason they'd wish they'd had had it been they were born into a family of kaffirs. In essence they'd view it as them doing a favor to their neighbors, bringing to their attention islam, saving some from going to hell. The deaths involved are just collateral damage in the quest for greater good.

This works for all religions, xtianity, even political religions. The golden rule is flawed.

wiegraf: Not when 72 virgins are involved. Not to mention, if they kill these infidels, who were on their way to hell in the first place, allah would be even more pleased with them. And the people these infidels could have influenced by turning them away from islam will now be less likely to end up as infidels. They also get to strike some of the fear of allah into other infidels. It does not require blind rage, just logic based on faulty premises.

How can allah be pleased with them when a muslim just stated clearly that Muhammad said you can't be a muslim unless you love your neighbour as yourself.

I would want the muslims in the house to kindly give us the islamic definition of a neighbour...cos it seems like they themselves are even confused about Muhammad's statement to them.

wiegraf: So, by killing a few kaffirs, they've now brought the fear of allah to their relatives and loved ones, to their society. This fear of allah is something they would reason they'd wish they'd had had it been they were born into a family of kaffirs. In essence they'd view it as them doing a favor to their neighbors, bringing to their attention islam, saving some from going to hell. The deaths involved are just collateral damage in the quest for greater good.

If they (muslims) feel that people with other beliefs are on the verge of burning in hell...should blowing them up be the best option the can come up with to save them?

Isn't evangelism in their koran?

If you feel a group of people are heading to hell, you either intercede on their behalf, approach them and preach the good news, or you stay the hell away from them.

Killing someone doesn't justify what the second poster said...if Muhammad indeed told them to love their neighbours, then it means that all muslims are destined for hell because so far so good...they have failed woefully in that aspect.

wiegraf: This works for all religions, xtianity, even political religions. The golden rule is flawed.

I disagree. Christianity can boast of love...

CrazyMan:


I disagree. Christianity can boast of love...

You seem to have problems comprehending the rest so I'll ignore that for now. Xtianity can also boast of the witch hunts and the inquisition, both carried out with the overall good of society as the primary concern. Even today, you have this baseless hate of homosexuality I see being spewed currently in other threads. It's disgusting, but I don't feel like challenging bigots atm. And if you think being gay is somehow wrong, I'll ask you again, as I've asked you before, to give me non-religious reasons to explain why it's bad.

Islam can also boast of love, not much imo but I'm sure if you look hard enough you'd find some.

wiegraf: You seem to have problems comprehending the rest so I'll ignore that for now.

I guess I've convinced you then.

wiegraf: Xtianity can also boast of the witch hunts and the inquisition, both carried out with the overall good of society as the primary concern.

You know the funny thing with you guys (atheist) when you want to say something bad about christianity, most of your theories seem to be out dated because they all happened centuries ago.

Read my post properly I'm referring to modern day islam...I would suggest you do the same.

How many christians of today can you say are into witch hunting?

wiegraf: Even today, you have this baseless hate of homosexuality I see being spewed currently in other threads. It's disgusting, but I don't feel like challenging bigots atm.

Homosexuality is bad and irritating.

Even most atheist share the same views with me...if you feel I'm wrong, then kindly explain how a man would make love to his fellow man.

Does that look normal to you?

Let's forget about religion...can you do it yes or no?

wiegraf: And if you think being gay is somehow wrong, I'll ask you again, as I've asked you before, to give me non-religious reasons to explain why it's bad.

You should start by asking yourself the possible challenges you're likely to encounter..should you become a homosexual.

If you feel ok with your discoveries, then go ahead...I'm not stopping you.

But if you feel you can't engage in it, the what other non-religious reasons do you seek for?

wiegraf: Islam can also boast of love, not much imo but I'm sure if you look hard enough you'd find some.

Lol...so I'll have to look hard before I would be able to see their so called love...

Sorry to disappoint you...I've checked already, and I found nothing.

CrazyMan:
I guess I've convinced you then.

Don't be childish @crazy, if I decide to go down that path I can guaranty you sweet frustration. This is simple, the muslims think they are doing good just like the persecutors of the inquisition, or mao's henchmen, did as well. The golden rule is flawed.

CrazyMan:
You know the funny thing with you guys (atheist) when you want to say something bad about christianity, most of your theories seem to be out dated because they all happened centuries ago.

Read my post properly I'm referring to modern day islam...I would suggest you do the same.

How many christians of today can you say are into witch hunting?

And I'm not sure where you are heading to. Were the witch hunts done in the name of xtianity, yes or no? Are the current ones taking place in akwa-ibom
involving children done in the name of xtianity, yes or no? Even the persecution of gays which you have no issues with are witch hunts. Just as communists relentlessly persecuting certain religious people (the ones that don't go around trying to force their will on everybody) were witch hunting as well. Past, future, religious or not, my point is many people would assume they were doing you and society good based on their beliefs, while in fact they would very clearly be doing the opposite to someone with a different set of beliefs (or unbelief).

CrazyMan:
Homosexuality is bad and irritating.

Even most atheist share the same views with me...if you feel I'm wrong, then kindly explain how a man would make love to his fellow man.

Does that look normal to you?

Let's forget about religion...can you do it yes or no?


You should start by asking yourself the possible challenges you're likely to encounter..should you become a homosexual.

If you feel ok with your discoveries, then go ahead...I'm not stopping you.

But if you feel you can't engage in it, the what other non-religious reasons do you seek for?

This section is, unambigiously, you judging based solely on opinion. Would I do it? No. But wth does that have to do with anything? Do I think grown up members of our society should believe talking snakes and a tyrannical god exist? No. Should I then make it law that no one should harbor this beliefs simply because I don't like them? See where this can go? Unless you can show how homosexuality is objectively hampering you, your freedom, it is non of your business, simple. And if you insist on persecuting them simply because you don't like them, then I suppose I should start persecuting xtians for their incredulously poor logic. Oh wait, I believe that was done by some communists already. Did you enjoy that?

The first bold is frankly rather cowardly. Doing things solely because you're afraid of society's judgment. I suppose the progenitors of xtianity shouldn't have attempted establishing the religion as society was really antagonistic to them, yes?

The second bold is so disturbing. Seriously. Again, you don't like it hence it must be bad. What kind of reasoning is that? And somehow xtians point at atheists and call us arrogant.

CrazyMan:
Lol...so I'll have to look hard before I would be able to see their so called love...

Sorry to disappoint you...I've checked already, and I found nothing.

Dissapointed? I should care how? Regardless, I probably find islam more revolting than you do, but to claim there's absolutely no good in it would be blatantly disingenuous.

Please cut the crap...I've gotten my answer already.

Would I do it? No

CrazyMan: Please cut the crap...I've gotten my answer already.

Is it me, or a begging me to tell you how stoopid you are being?

wiegraf: Is it me, or a begging me to tell you how stoopid you are being?

I think you're the one whose stupid...you have strong reasons that keep you from engaging in homosexuality, yet you defend those that practice the act.

If its as normal as you think why rant here...why not look for a gay partner and start digging him you coward.

CrazyMan:
I think you're the one whose stupid...you have strong reasons that keep you from engaging in homosexuality, yet you defend those that practice the act.

If its as normal as you think why rant here...why not look for a gay partner and start digging him you coward.

I wasn't ranting, I sort of will be from now on. I'm not sure if I'd call it ranting though as it's all true.

It's because, you bigoted re.tard, I don't care for it. I don't have 'strong reasons' for not engaging, it's real simple, I simply don't find the idea appealing. It's a matter of opinion*. And I never said it was normal, but even if it isn't normal how does that make it harmful? In an environment where you were the only black man, you wouldn't be normal, yes? Does that mean you should be persecuted?

On the matter of cowardice, let me rehash a bit. If I were one I wouldn't openly be an atheist in this country, would I? Considering bigots a-plently like you in this environs. You, on the other hand, seem to be afraid of considering homosexuality solely because of society's stance of the issue. So if that was not a factor, would you be homosexual? You couldn't know, as you've never even considered it out of fear. I am not shackled by that and have considered it, so I can tell you that frankly, society or not, it isn't for me. Then you call me cowardly? Do you comprehend a bit of how much of an eediot you're being yet?

Focus on your 'love', which you seem to have plenty of (at least that's admirable). Leave the reasoning to others, even if not me, it would seem to be beyond you.



*you know what they say about opinions? They are like a$$holes, everyone's got one, everyone thinks every other person's stinks.

See the trash you took your time to compose...you're the foool.

When supposedly matured individuals resort to insults when they have nothing sensible so say, then it means that our society is doomed.

If you can't express yourself in clear terms without insults, then you're the bigot and the one whose r.etarded..cos no sane person would make a foool of himself publicly as you just did.

So quit embarrassing yourself and shut down your system...cos its obvious that you've elapsed your brain usage for the day.

CrazyMan: See the trash you took your time to compose...you're the foool.

When supposedly matured individuals resort to insults when they have nothing sensible so say, then it means that our society is doomed.

If you can't express yourself in clear terms without insults, then you're the bigot and the one whose r.etarded..cos no sane person would make a foool of himself publicly as you just did.

So quit embarrassing yourself and shut down your system...cos its obvious that you've elapsed your brain usage for the day.

You misunderstand. I've called you
Bigot
Ret.arded
Cowardly
Eediot
Maybe a few others, can't be bothered to check atm

This is all true, so I can't see where the problem is. And I've dished out as much respect as your posts deserve, of course that's a matter of opinion though. I also never claim to be mature, and if you represent 'maturity' I want no part of it, thank you.

There's more, but it probably isn't worth the effort.

Lol so fight going on here huh? Now boys you got to behave.

No back to the topic.

abrajproperties: Prophet muhammed said....(S.A.W) that you can't be a muslim unless you love your neighbor as your self! Are u satisfied

No the love doesn't extend to non muslims. There re many verses to show the love is not universal, islam is like fascism, complete breach of the golden rule.

Secondly, the golden rule is not flawed. Would you like another person from another religion to come and blow you up because he believes your faith is wrong? No.

Thirdly, I've nothing against homosexuality. As long as they do their thing without forcing it down at anyone's throat. You and I can’t become homosexuals. We can become thieve or lechers. All we have to do is to become immoral to lust after the wife of our neighbor or steal from him. But we can’t become homosexuals. It is a biological or psychological anomaly. :-/

Now, now, I'll continue with my sort of of derailing. Well, the golden rule is part of the topic. I don't care to discuss that religion/cult, whatsitacalled? Islam atm

Paris-Love:

Secondly, the golden rule is not flawed. Would you like another person from another religion to come and blow you up because he believes your faith is wrong? No.

You haven't fully explored the options. Of course you wouldn't, but the guy blowing you up would reason that you would if only you were not ignorant, or could see things his way. They would reason that were they in your shoes, they'd like to be blown up. Like I've said, this is not a problem with just religious applications of the golden rule

The golden rule in its basic form is flawed because it assumes you and neighbors would have the same goals. Even you did have the same goals (by and large everybody does, some version of peace and prosperity), it assumes you're willing to use the same methods to achieve your goals.

If you altered it a bit, like say: "do unto others like they would like to be done unto themselves, so long as you all aren't trampling on anybody's rights", you might have something better.

Paris-Love:

Thirdly, I've nothing against homosexuality. As long as they do their thing without forcing it down at anyone's throat. You and I can’t become homosexuals. We can become thieve or lechers. All we have to do is to become immoral to lust after the wife of our neighbor or steal from him. But we can’t become homosexuals. It is a biological or psychological anomaly.[/color] :-/

Yeah, off topic, but it's the thing that blows my lid off. Your stance I'm very ok with, it's rather similar to mine actually. I don't understand how people would persecute them without any non-religious reasons then go around claiming they represent 'love'. It's the height of hypocrisy.