alexleo:

And you have no right to condemn what people said they experienced. You can choose not to believe it. Your stand about it doesnt change anything if what they said is true.

Did i just? oh i thought the bible does. I always like to back my arguements with scripture, this u have failed to do in your letter.
Can you please present one scripture that teaches we should believe people who will die and come back to warn us of how heaven looks like, who is in hell and who is not? Is the bible not enough? i am learning, if this is in the scripture, then i will join you to believe Them. Dont take this as an offense dear.

plappville:

Good question, and the OP has refused to understand He hasn`t done wrong. No one is against the fact of Him speaking with his fellow brethren on a particular issue/subject. The «matter» here is the act of insisting, trying to make @Frosbel believe His accurate stands, while Frosbel is completely wrong. This is what spoils His letter. The worse is that, He didnt present any scripture to back His claim.

And i said am not bringing the matter for argument because we ve exhausted the argument in another thread. The scripture is God's word and he has the best interpretation of it so i see nothing wrong in refering frosbel to pray for divine guidance. Go and read the thread where frosbel talked about his salvation you will see that it wasnt by argument but Jesus convinced him. I refered him to Jesus for guidance and if after praying he comes out with the same stand nothing concerns me. Yes i support your stand of basing ur stand on the bible. But pls bear in mind that it is the spirit of God that best interprete the bible. Without the spirit of God interpreting, we can come up with different interpretations of a bible verse to support our selfish motive and claim its right because we ve supported it with the bible whereas its wrong in the sight of God. Am very much used to going to God in prayer for proper guidance. Honestly am suprised its strange to you dear.

plappville:

Did i just? oh i thought the bible does. I always like to back my arguements with scripture, this u have failed to do in your letter.
Can you please present one scripture that teaches we should believe people who will die and come back to warn us of how heaven looks like, who is in hell and who is not? Is the bible not enough? i am learning, if this is in the scripture, then i will join you to believe Them. Dont take this as an offense dear.

The bible made it clear that hell is place of torment and heaven a place of rest. If somebody tells me he had an experience of hell and his story about it is that of torment as the bible describes it what is not biblical about it? It will only be unbiblical if somebody tells me that he experienced hell and that it is a place of comfort and joy. And i said when this testimony is coming from thousands and thousands of people in various parts of the world. People of different churches, people of different religious background. People of different cultural background, then there is need for him to pray more about it for God's guidance. What is force about it? I didnt even say he must consider what i said and do it.
Friend, the worst thing that can happen to any human being is for him to believe that when he dies evnerything ends in the grave only for him to discover when he dies that he was wrong in his believe. Also if a sinner believes that he wont burn forever in the lake of fire only for him to discover that he will actually burn forever. Eternity is a place all of us will experience indvidually. Nobody will experience any side of it for another person so whats the need forcing somebody? We are just discussing this things to help ourselves in the heavenly race. I have nothing to lose in another person's stand about it. I know the message of hell or eternal torment is quite a scary one that human beings would like to avoid or make it look somehow bearable but i'd rather believe it as scary and horrible as it is than believe a simplified version of it.






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alexleo:

The bible made it clear that hell is place of torment and heaven a place of rest. If somebody tells me he had an experience of hell and his story about it is that of torment as the bible describes it what is not biblical about it? It will only be unbiblical if somebody tells me that he experienced hell and that it is a place of comfort and joy. And i said when this testimony is coming from thousands and thousands of people in various parts of the world. People of different churches, people of different religious background. People of different cultural background, then there is need for him to pray more about it for God's guidance. What is force about it? I didnt even say he must consider what i said and do it.
Friend, the worst thing that can happen to any human being is for him to believe that when he dies evnerything ends in the grave only for him to discover when he dies that he was wrong in his believe. Also if a sinner believes that he wont burn forever in the lake of fire only for him to discover that he will actually burn forever. Eternity is a place all of us will experience indvidually. Nobody will experience any side of it for another person so whats the need forcing somebody? We are just discussing this things to help ourselves in the heavenly race. I have nothing to lose in another person's stand about it. I know the message of hell or eternal torment is quite a scary one that human beings would like to avoid or make it look somehow bearable but i'd rather believe it as scary and horrible as it is than believe a simplified version of it.






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but Jesus went to HELL

truthislight:

but Jesus went to HELL

Well, am not forcing you to believe but be sure of your stand o to avoid seeing that what you believed and preached was quite wrong when u die. By then it will be too late to amend. Thats why i adviced prayer so that God guides you properly. Satan can be so deceitful in making this things cheap in people's eyes even by misapplying the bible to support it just as he did when he tempted Jesus. Lets watch it. Satan can go to any lenght to deceive people and destroy them. God bless you.

alexleo:

The bible made it clear that hell is place of torment and heaven a place of rest. If somebody tells me he had an experience of hell and his story about it is that of torment as the bible describes it what is not biblical about it? It will only be unbiblical if somebody tells me that he experienced hell and that it is a place of comfort and joy. And i said when this testimony is coming from thousands and thousands of people in various parts of the world. People of different churches, people of different religious background. People of different cultural background, then there is need for him to pray more about it for God's guidance. What is force about it? I didnt even say he must consider what i said and do it.
Friend, the worst thing that can happen to any human being is for him to believe that when he dies evnerything ends in the grave only for him to discover when he dies that he was wrong in his believe. Also if a sinner believes that he wont burn forever in the lake of fire only for him to discover that he will actually burn forever. Eternity is a place all of us will experience indvidually. Nobody will experience any side of it for another person so whats the need forcing somebody? We are just discussing this things to help ourselves in the heavenly race. I have nothing to lose in another person's stand about it. I know the message of hell or eternal torment is quite a scary one that human beings would like to avoid or make it look somehow bearable but i'd rather believe it as scary and horrible as it is than believe a simplified version of it..

That is why we have to look into things from the bible not outside it. If we must help ourselves, we must alow the scripture to do that.

Again, It is unscriptural because all biblical Figures that died and came back did not in anyway told us how hell or Heaven looks like.
This is not a matter of interpretation, i did not interpret anything, i just presented the scriptures and no where did we see such.

We have several resurrection stories in the Bible, none said similar things:





With all these, the bible still did not tell us that "JAZEBEL" is in hell burning already.

[s]I am not going to talk or discuss an arguement with you anymore, since you said you were not forcing Him. Case close.[/s]

plappville:

That is why we have to look into things from the bible not outside it. If we must help ourselves, we must alow the scripture to do that.

Again, It is unscriptural because all biblical Figures that died and came back did not in anyway told us how hell or Heaven looks like.
This is not a matter of interpretation, i did not interpret anything, i just presented the scriptures and no where did we see such.

We have several resurrection stories in the Bible, none said similar things:

OT: Elijah resurrected the son of Zarephath's widow, see 1 Kings 17:17-24

Elisha resurrected the son of the great Shunammite woman, see 2 Kings 4:35

A dead man comes back to life when he touches Elisha's bones, see Kings 13:21

NT: Jesus resurrects the widow's son at Nain, see: Luke 7:13-15

Jesus raises Jairus' daughter from the dead, see: Matthew 9:25, Mark 5:42, and Luke 8:55

Jesus raises Lazarus from the dead, see: John 11:43-44

Many saints resurrected at Jesus' crucifixion. see Matthew 27:52-53

Peter raises a female disciple named Tabitha from the dead. see: Acts 9:36-42

Paul raises Eutychus from the dead. see: Acts 20:9-12

With all these, the bible still did not tell us that "JAZEBEL" is in hell burning already.

[s]I am not going to talk or discuss an arguement with you anymore, since you said you were not forcing Him. Case close.[/s]

this my sis is too much.

Salutaion sis

Anyone here who said he has never seen the word 'hell' in d Bible, is a liar and let no one listen to him for he is posessed by demons. I repeat, no one should listen to Him for he is posessed, unless he uses the Jehova witnesses Bible.
I tell U dat U dont need to beliv that hell exists, anyone compelling you to believe is wasting time. Give not dat which is holy to the dogs. Very soon, those who do not beleive in Heaven or hell will be hopelessly blaming themselves if they do not repent and come to the knowledge of the truth.
And if U are a Christian, not a Church goer, it is time to be a saint, it is time to walk in holiness not in foolish questions and arguments. Jesus second coming might occur any moment from now. For more information as I cant continue now check on the topic: 'The Contaminated Church' on religion.
God bless you, remain rapturable.
Ekeh Anthony