So many countries in the middle-east,north africa and horn of africa claim to be arabs. But what amuses me most is that in those countries especially in the north africa,the people hate to be addressed as arabs. This has caused a serious e-debate where morroccans,algerians,yemenis hate to be called arabs. So my question is;what is arab all about?, Are they an ethnicity and who is their progenetor?, is anyone who speaks arabic considered to be an arab?, what is the difference between islam and arab?. Even black africans like sudanese and somalis also claim to be arabs. Please ur comments.

Arab is nothing more than an ethnicity. You can be both Arab and African at the same time. Notice how this Egyptian man considers himself Arab, but he is FIGHTING to be considered black in the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XUPZokMb6A&list=FLOi5yL1B9aLEWSTjyIwcWLw

But the real Arabs are those of the Arabian peninsula.

Being black african doesnt mean you cant be arab, especially if you have arab blood, but currently white is the only colour officially ( or technically) considered arab.

North africans do not like to be called arab unless they actually are arab.

tpia@:
Being african doesnt mean you cant be arab, especially if you have arab blood, but currently white is the only colour officially ( or technically) considered arab.

Theres no such thing as "Arab blood" because Arabs are a mix between Indo-Europeans, Africans and South Asians. They're a mixed group.

KingMichael777:
Theres no such thing as "Arab blood" because Arabs are a mix between Indo-Europeans, Africans and South Asians. They're a mixed group.

which means that they are not a tribe or ethnicity. They are just a social group in the sense that a northern nigerian who can speak fluent arabic can claim to be an arab.

KingMichael777:
Theres no such thing as "Arab blood" because Arabs are a mix between Indo-Europeans, Africans and South Asians. They're a mixed group.

Maybe so, but there's currently a distinct race referred to as arab.

Antivirus92: which means that they are not a tribe or ethnicity. They are just a social group in the sense that a northern nigerian who can speak fluent arabic can claim to be an arab.

Berbers of North Africa are an ethic group, yet they're are mixed,black and white Berbers. Arab is an ethic group, but the majority of the people have mixed DNA.

tpia@:


Maybe so, but there's currently a distinct race referred to as arab.

People just refer to Arab as a race just to make things more simpler. Just like they refer to Hispanic as a race.

You can do that, but there's flaws because Arabs can be mixed,black, white or even asian.

Modern Haweitat bedouin of Jordan from the Banu Masruh of the HAWAZIN


Painting of Hawazin bedouin from life by a European artist of over 100 years ago visitng Hijaz


Hamida/Ahamidah (Of the Banu Salim branch of the HAWAZIN) - 1879 - On the Hamida clan of the Hawazin of Hejaz “small chocolate colored beings, stunted and thin… mops of bushy hair… straggling beards , vicious eyes, frowning brows … armed with scabbards slung over the shoulder and Janbiyyah daggers…” a people “of the great hejazi tribe that has kept his blood pure” for the last 13 centuries…” Richard Francis 1879 Burton Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to el Medina and Mecca .p. 173 3rd edition William Mullen and Son

Ateyyibah of the HAWAZIN - (Ateyba, Utaiba, Ateibe, Otaiba, etc.) Over a century ago James Hamilton wrote, “they wore their hair in long curly plaits” and their skin was “a dark brown”. (See pp. 129-130, Wanderings Around the Birthplace of Mohammed, published by R. Bentley, 1857. )

Haweitat of the HAWAZIN also written HOWEITAT/HUWAYT’AT - In 1887 one European traveler in the region wrote of a sheikh of the Huweitat tribes: “The sheikh soon afterwards appeared. He was a dirty, truculent looking fellow, with very black eyes and very white teeth, a sinister expression, and complexion scarcely less dark than that of a negro.” (P. Austen Henry Layard, Early Adventures in Persia, Susiana, and Babylonia: Including … pg. 32. Published by J. Murray.)

True, hispanic is considered an ethnicity, same way black is an ethnicity even though blacks are mixed, but at some point, the admixture isnt considered the primary identifier in the race, rather the race becomes an entity on its own.

tpia@:
True, hispanic is considered an ethnicity, same way black is an ethnicity even though blacks are mixed, but at some point, the admixture isnt considered the primary identifier in the race, rather the race becomes an entity on its own.

True, true..

But my main point is that Arabs are diverse genetically and physically looking. Arabs are basically the old world versions of Hispanic's.



But most Arabs look like this man.
http://i.imgur.com/tNbhz.jpg

Very true, i agree with your post.

^^^Yep.

why u sayin somalis are arabs, we dont consider ourselves arabs

KingMichael777:
Theres no such thing as "Arab blood" because Arabs are a mix between Indo-Europeans, Africans and South Asians. They're a mixed group.

please SHUT UP and dont talk like a st.upid MUMU.

THERE IS ARAB BLOOD. THe Pure Arabs are Todays Bedu Tribal Arabs, mostly found in Central, Eastern , Southern Saudi Arabia, The Persian Gulf Arab States, and Yemen/Oman.

These are PURE ARABS and belong to different tribes like Shammar, Mutair, Bani Yas, Otaibah, Al Bu Shams, Rashidi, Banu Yam, Saar, Himyar,Bani Rifaeen (Yafa), Bani Kaab, Harith, etc.



Rashidi Tribesman



Tribesmen from Asir

[img]http://multimedia.thenational.ae/ssp_director/p.php?a=KyEhIyE7IShaWCU5PSopJT56YW4%2FJDoqOSQzICA9JCInJSM8NyIkOCkmKT0lID05PyAiJyQ9NQ%3D%3D&m=1362126178[/img]
members of the Bani Yas Tribal Confderation


Omani Tribesmen, possibly from the Duru Tribe.


Rashaida Tribe

FAKE ARABS:

include the Original Levantines who mixed with Arabs, Romans, Phoneicians ,etc.

These are todays Lebanese, Jordanians (except the Bedu), Palestinians (most), Syrians (except modern day Assyrian and Armenians who are different ethnic groups altogether and are pure but not Arab) , etc.

then come the Egyptians (most of who are descendants of original Egyptians, many of whom have mixed with Arabs, Turks, Levants,etc. some are of actual pure Arab descent. very few though and of Bedu heritage.

Erithrea has a small population of PURE Arabs called Rashaidas who recently migrated from Hejaz into Erithrea , around 200 years ago dut to Tribal Warfare on the Arabian Peninsula.

Sudanis are mostly Nubians with many in the Nrth having Arab admixture.

Somalis are mostly Somalis , with a few sections probably having Arab admixture.


Lebanese


Egyptians


Sudanese


Somali

tpia@:
True, hispanic is considered an ethnicity, same way black is an ethnicity even though blacks are mixed, but at some point, the admixture isnt considered the primary identifier in the race, rather the race becomes an entity on its own.

hispanics and blacks are mixed -ethnic groups. They have no ethnicity. They are mixed-race tribeless half-breds.

They only go by skin colour.

KingMichael777:

Berbers of North Africa are an ethic group, yet they're are mixed,black and white Berbers. Arab is an ethic group, but the majority of the people have mixed DNA.

THat is bullsh!T. stop generalizing without research.

The purity of Berbers depends on which Berbers you talk about.

The Touareg are mostly pure. The Bella Tuareg of slave descent are mixed with Africans/

The Kabyle Berber, and other sub-tribes of Berbers are Pure.

The Siwi Berbers of Egypt, Chaoui of Maghreb, etc., are Pure.

The city Berbers, Moors,etc., without Tribes are mixed.

Antivirus92: which means that they are not a tribe or ethnicity. They are just a social group in the sense that a northern nigerian who can speak fluent arabic can claim to be an arab.

no you are talking about the recent Arab Union, of 50 years, which includes countries like Somalia, Djibouti, Comoros, etc.

This definition of Arabs is not based on Ethnicity but on Language.

All Arabs know and are aware that the only Pure Arabs are the Khaleeji Arabs and the other Bedu of the Peninsula.

Even the Arabic spoke there is of the purest form by these Tribes.

Also Many Ethnic Arabs of South Arabia dont even speak Arabic. They have their own Ancient SOuth Arabian Language. Languages like Harsousi, Mahra, Socotri,etc.

And btw these are PURE BEDU ARABS, even though they dont speak Arabic. (though these days they are learning/have learnt it).

KingMichael777: Modern Haweitat bedouin of Jordan from the Banu Masruh of the HAWAZIN


Painting of Hawazin bedouin from life by a European artist of over 100 years ago visitng Hijaz


Hamida/Ahamidah (Of the Banu Salim branch of the HAWAZIN) - 1879 - On the Hamida clan of the Hawazin of Hejaz “small chocolate colored beings, stunted and thin… mops of bushy hair… straggling beards , vicious eyes, frowning brows … armed with scabbards slung over the shoulder and Janbiyyah daggers…” a people “of the great hejazi tribe that has kept his blood pure” for the last 13 centuries…” Richard Francis 1879 Burton Personal Narrative of a Pilgrimage to el Medina and Mecca .p. 173 3rd edition William Mullen and Son

Ateyyibah of the HAWAZIN - (Ateyba, Utaiba, Ateibe, Otaiba, etc.) Over a century ago James Hamilton wrote, “they wore their hair in long curly plaits” and their skin was “a dark brown”. (See pp. 129-130, Wanderings Around the Birthplace of Mohammed, published by R. Bentley, 1857. )

Haweitat of the HAWAZIN also written HOWEITAT/HUWAYT’AT - In 1887 one European traveler in the region wrote of a sheikh of the Huweitat tribes: “The sheikh soon afterwards appeared. He was a dirty, truculent looking fellow, with very black eyes and very white teeth, a sinister expression, and complexion scarcely less dark than that of a negro.” (P. Austen Henry Layard, Early Adventures in Persia, Susiana, and Babylonia: Including … pg. 32. Published by J. Murray.)

Spare me the crap. The First pic is not intelligible. Also they get dark tanned due to suburns.

The second is a painintg and an artists depiction. probably done of Afro-Arab slaves/freed slave descendants. Bedu had African slaves back then.

The Hawazin are brown/sand skinned like most Bedu. not BLACK.


The dark/black eyes are due to the applying of Kohl, a black pigment to protect from Heat and cataracts.

PAGAN 9JA:



Spare me the crap. The First pic is not intelligible. Also they get dark tanned due to suburns.

The second is a painintg and an artists depiction. probably done of Afro-Arab slaves/freed slave descendants. Bedu had African slaves back then.

The Hawazin are brown/sand skinned like most Bedu. not BLACK.


The dark/black eyes are due to the applying of Kohl, a black pigment to protect from Heat and cataracts.

pagan worshipper hello

somalia9:


pagan worshipper hello

Warya iska waran?

Pagan 9ja,pls can u tell us countries where we can find those pure arabs and what makes them pure. Can u also post their pics?

PAGAN 9JA:



Warya iska waran?

adoon dhintaay baa tahaay.

too many obsessed people

LOL

Antivirus92: Pagan 9ja,pls can u tell us countries where we can find those pure arabs and what makes them pure. Can u also post their pics?

forget that. Im planning to create a thread on THE ARABS soon. i want to clear all these myths, fairtyales and misleading lies once and for all.

as for what makes the Bedu pure,it is the same as what makes us pure or most tribals pure for that matter. it is because they are Tribals like us and marry only within their tribes or related Tribes. for example, most Najdi Bedu marry amongst themselves. the same with the ones from Hadhramaut or the ones in the Gulf. For example, the Bani Yas and the Awamir are closely related tribes and are of the same Adnanite lineage and ancestors. They share the same territories and culture.

Also the Bedu are isolated and they pride themselves on their purity compared to the city Arabs who freely mixed with other ethnics,slaves,etc., whom they refer to as "Gutter Bred Arabs". the Bedu dislike the city ones. nowadays ofcourse they too have mostly settled in cities, yet they marry within their tribes or other Bedu and not just any Arabs.

another matter is the Adnanite and Qahtanite divisions.

In fact upto the past few years and many a times even now, the Bedouin descent Arabs took this to a worser level. Most of them used to/do marry cousins. However these days they do marry non-blood relative tribespeople.

Interesting input to Arabs, but I believe they have many different groups. As a comparison, you can see that the original egyptians were black, but through the passage of time they assimilated different peoples. The reign of the true ancient egyptians ended after the storming of Arabs who looted and destroyed the area.

Although the stereotypical image of an arab is (and I hate to use this term) a caucasian, they consist of not just one type. This I can tell you is not by accident, we as blacks are excluded from being involved in any progressive ideas. Alot of us have already realized this (Cheik Anta Diop) and started ideas rolling. But just as many of us refuse to believe our involvement in "other" groups was significant, and this I believe is probably one of our greatest setbacks because...

With knowledge of your great history comes great empowerment.

Soliloqyofchaos: Interesting input to Arabs, but I believe they have many different groups. As a comparison, you can see that the original egyptians were black, but through the passage of time they assimilated different peoples. The reign of the true ancient egyptians ended after the storming of Arabs who looted and destroyed the area.

Although the stereotypical image of an arab is (and I hate to use this term) a caucasian, they consist of not just one type. This I can tell you is not by accident, we as blacks are excluded from being involved in any progressive ideas. Alot of us have already realized this (Cheik Anta Diop) and started ideas rolling. But just as many of us refuse to believe our involvement in "other" groups was significant, and this I believe is probably one of our greatest setbacks because...

With knowledge of your great history comes great empowerment.

ur a good example of how u should not speak on certain issues

why it always ugly west africans who talk about ancient egyptians, as if they are black, while the actual egyptians and the somalis /ethiopians dont talk about it


the obsession continues

somalia9:


ur a good example of how u should not speak on certain issues

why it always ugly west africans who talk about ancient egyptians, as if they are black, while the actual egyptians and the somalis /ethiopians dont talk about it


the obsession continues

what is wrong with u dude? Have you just taken time to think of how africa would have been if every african country is as poor as somalia?

Antivirus92: what is wrong with u dude? Have you just taken time to think of how africa would have been if every african country is as poor as somalia?

have u taken time to think if somalis/ethiopians were weak like u and were slaves?

or if we were ugly like u monkeys. Somalia gdp is higher than some countries without war


somalia now is peaceful with an elected government, time to kick out the hiv carrying bantu soldiers

somalia9:


have u taken time to think if somalis/ethiopians were weak like u and were slaves?

or if we were ugly like u monkeys. Somalia gdp is higher than some countries without war


somalia now is peaceful with an elected government, time to kick out the hiv carrying bantu soldiers

even the poorest west african country is thrice richer than somalia. You talk about beauty as if u are the creator but the list of africans that have won the world beauty pageant are all from the countries u are insulting(nigeria,ghana,senegal etc )no somalis included. What happened?