There are alot of prophecies that refers to muhammed(s.w.a), but i would like to discuss one of them now, deuteronomy 18v18-19."I will raise them up a prohpet from among their brethen,like unto thee,and put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that i shall command him.19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him".

God was to moses on the mount, if we take a look at the first word above"I will raise them up a prohpet from among their brethen", Abraham(peace be upon him) gave birth to two children(Ishmael &Isaac),both of the kids of abraham are the same bethren. According to the bible,Gen 25v12-16 Ishmael gave birth to 12 kids, that means the children of the two descendants of abraham are the same bethren, muhammed is a descendant of "kedar" one of the twelve children of ishmael.so thats to say that muhammed(peace and blessings of God be upon him)is a bethren of the children of isaac, and the bible taught us that the israelites are the decendant of isaac.
So my first point here is, muhammed is from among the bethren of israelites.

Secondly, "like unto thee" every christians on earth would say this prophecy was for jesus (peace be upon him) here is the question, was jesus like moses, ?No
Three unlikes moses:
*According to the christians, Jesus is God but moses is not God.
*According to the christians,Jesus is a son of God but moses is not.
*According to the christians,Jesus was crucified but moses was not.

Well my own points are this:
*Moses and Muhammed fought war for the growth of God's religion but, jesus did not fight war.
*Moses and Muhammed  got human father and mother but, jesus did not have human father.
*Moses and Muhammed were sheperd befor they became prophet but, jesus was never a sheperd.
*Moses and Muhammed ministerd the work of God for long years but, jesus did for just 3years, etc.

Thirdly," put my words in his mouth". If we go into the Q chapter 112:1, God said to Muhammed, Say (O Muhammed): "He is Allah,(the) One.
If an area boy threating us, we will be affraid, but God is threating us that whosoever will not hearken unto the words which he shall speak in God's name, he shall require it of him, we do not even care to listen to Him(God). Well the truth has been spoken.

Ok. Now I get the trick!

The bible is self-contradictory and has been altered.

However, it is not contradictory when it is twisted and used to prove the legitimacy of Moh@mmed!!!

Wonderful.


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BTW, Moses was addressing the Jews - Jesus came as a Jew and preached to the Jews. Moses and Elijah appeared at the site of Jesus' Transfiguration - in the presence of Peter, James and John. Jesus, Moses and Elijah held a discussion - the content of which we do not know. The voice of the Father was later heard.


Moh@mmed addressed the Arabs and referred to the Jews as people of the book. Subsequently he wrote his own book which contradicted the book of the Jews and the records of the life of Jesus - who met with Moses.

Phew.

how many times will they recycle this lies?

@Imhotep:

Ok. Now I get the trick!

The bible is self-contradictory and has been altered.

However, it is not contradictory when it is twisted and used to prove the legitimacy of Moh@mmed!!!

Wonderful.

You got it wrong, my man. Let me show you something; This morning, I soaked some gari in the water (am an Ijebu man, okay, so sometimes I go back to my root. I even try Ikokore, in Obodo America), and as I take spoon full to eat, after so many soon of gari, it was very difficult to get any more spoon full. Then as I did not drain off the water, my spoon became empty. This is the condition with your Bible of today. It has much water but very few gari in the bowl! The only reason we know the remaining truth in the Bible is the cross referencing of each verse with the pure Qur'an!

What we see as lies are what defies true belief. Let me give you example; god being divisible is a no no. No sight have ever seen him and to claim that God is so weak and brought Himself low, is not part of the honoring of the Creator!

BTW, Moses was addressing the Jews - Jesus came as a Jew and preached to the Jews. Moses and Elijah appeared at the site of Jesus' Transfiguration - in the presence of Peter, James and John. Jesus, Moses and Elijah held a discussion - the content of which we do not know. The voice of the Father was later heard.

But before the Children of Israel told Moses not to let God speak directly to them, because they knew that if they hear His voice, they will all die! How foolish can those sets of persons who were then with Jesus and heard God's voice and yet they did not die, since they were not prophets/messengers. Futher it is ironic and telling that these people heard the voice of God Almighty and they did not tell anyone what they heard, yet they were hearing distance from Jesus, Moses and Elijah, yet they did not hear them? What a load of you know what! David help me tell Imhotep what I meant.

Moh@mmed addressed the Arabs and referred to the Jews as people of the book. Subsequently he wrote his own book which contradicted the book of the Jews and the records of the life of Jesus - who met with Moses.

If only Muhammad(as)was matriculated! But his tutor was Jibril and his Professor was Allahu Ta'ala Himself (Al Alim). Calling these people, the Jews and Christians people of the book (funny that you simple called the people of the book Jews alone, without referring to you African Christians among that group), is not by his making. Thats what God caalled them. And the reason was that they were given Books of revelation. But altering the contents to fit the human intentions and disregarding the will of god, is the reason that god states that the books are corrupted and the Qur'an is preserved in its entirity, as an oral book. Further, the fact that human gained it, will not nullify its purity as God Almighty gave it to His Messengers; Moses and jesus as good illustrations.

First the books, Torah and Injil are from a mother book which is preserved in where it is preserved! Further, if Moses and jesus were to be alive now, they will tell you guys that what you are passing up as their Books are far cry from the truth which they received from God! Let me educate you a little; If the writers were Moses and jesus alone, without the hands of the Jewish scholars and Paul and co along with others, then you will have seen it agreeing with the Qur'an. Even Paul kill off what we know are from Moses, the 10 commandments! Who received revelation from God Almighty, Moses or Paul? The answer is known to all. Who is better in speech and knowledge Jesus or Paul? The answer is also clear. But when you take Paul over Moses as you do in cancelling the parts that you cancelled in the 10 commandment and disregarding Jesus statement as in Mark 12 Verse 29 and accepting Paul and his crew contradictions, you will have to believe that the Qur'an came to correct all of these and throw away the actions and statements of Paul out, separating it as fallacy and confirming the truth from Moses and Jesus (as jami'a)!

Phew.

olabowale:
You got it wrong, my man. Let me show you something; This morning, I soaked some gari in the water (am an Ijebu man, okay, so sometimes I go back to my root. I even try Ikokore, in Obodo America), and as I take spoon full to eat, after so many soon of gari, it was very difficult to get any more spoon full. Then as I did not drain off the water, my spoon became empty. This is the condition with your Bible of today. It has much water but very few gari in the bowl! The only reason we know the remaining truth in the Bible is the cross referencing of each verse with the pure Qur'an!

What we see as lies are what defies true belief. Let me give you example; god being divisible is a no no. No sight have ever seen him and to claim that God is so weak and brought Himself low, is not part of the honoring of the Creator!

I get this one too. You want a 'god' that can fit into your finite intelligence. Funny enough, such a 'god' will also be a finite god ----- not the Infinite One.

olabowale:
But before the Children of Israel told Moses not to let God speak directly to them, because they knew that if they hear His voice, they will all die! How foolish can those sets of persons who were then with Jesus and heard God's voice and yet they did not die, since they were not prophets/messengers. Futher it is ironic and telling that these people heard the voice of God Almighty and they did not tell anyone what they heard, yet they were hearing distance from Jesus, Moses and Elijah, yet they did not hear them? What a load of you know what! David help me tell Imhotep what I meant.

No man can stand the presence of God. Whenever Jesus manifested His Divine nature, no one withstood Him.

- Peter, James and John were drowsy on the mount of Transfiguration. Peter was able to half-sleepily make some comments.
- The Roman soldiers at his tomb fell asleep at His resurrection.
- Paul was blinded when Jesus appeared to him as Light and knocked him off his chariot.

olabowale:
If only The Great Prophet(as)was matriculated! But his tutor was Jibril and his Professor was Allahu Ta'ala Himself (Al Alim). Calling these people, the Jews and Christians people of the book (funny that you simple called the people of the book Jews alone, without referring to you African Christians among that group), is not by his making. Thats what God caalled them. And the reason was that they were given Books of revelation. But altering the contents to fit the human intentions and disregarding the will of god, is the reason that god states that the books are corrupted and the Qur'an is preserved in its entirity, as an oral book. Further, the fact that human gained it, will not nullify its purity as God Almighty gave it to His Messengers; Moses and jesus as good illustrations.

First the books, Torah and Injil are from a mother book which is preserved in where it is preserved! Further, if Moses and jesus were to be alive now, they will tell you guys that what you are passing up as their Books are far cry from the truth which they received from God! Let me educate you a little; If the writers were Moses and jesus alone, without the hands of the Jewish scholars and Paul and co along with others, then you will have seen it agreeing with the Qur'an. Even Paul kill off what we know are from Moses, the 10 commandments! Who received revelation from God Almighty, Moses or Paul? The answer is known to all. Who is better in speech and knowledge Jesus or Paul? The answer is also clear. But when you take Paul over Moses as you do in cancelling the parts that you cancelled in the 10 commandment and disregarding Jesus statement as in Mark 12 Verse 29 and accepting Paul and his crew contradictions, you will have to believe that the Qur'an came to correct all of these and throw away the actions and statements of Paul out, separating it as fallacy and confirming the truth from Moses and Jesus (as jami'a)!

Moh@mmed is free to write whatever book he chooses to write. My problem with him is that he never met Christ -- yet he has distorted the truth about Christ, and uses the sword to prove his point.

@Imhotep:

I get this one too. You want a 'god' that can fit into your finite intelligence. Funny enough, such a 'god' will also be a finite god ----- not the Infinite One.

Yet you called Jesus god? How infite do you wnt a god that slept, tired and fatigued, ate, deficated; both liquid and solid, developed as a fetus in a young womans womb, suckled and pass through the human stages of infancy, crawling, babbling, trying to take steps, etc?

No man can stand the presence of God. Whenever Jesus manifested His true nature, no one withstood Him.

- Peter, James and John were drowsy on the mount of Transfiguration. Peter was able to half-sleepily make some comments.
- The Roman soldiers at his tomb fell asleep at His resurrection.
- Paul was blinded when Jesus appeared to him as Light and knocked him off his chariot.

Same condition with every prophet, when they are in spiritual protocol. None of the companions of ProphetMuhammad can look him in the eye because of the amount of light on him, after every salah! That happened five times every day. Then when he is receiving revelation his body becomes very heavy. A proof of that was when he was resting part of his body on the thigh of one of his companions (ra). And suddenly he began to receive revelation. This companion said that that part of his body that wa resting on his thigh became so heavy that he was afraid that his thigh bone was going to crack!

Moh@mmed is free to write whatever book he chooses to write. My problem with him is that he never met Christ -- yet he has distorted the truth about Christ, and uses the sword to prove his point.

Rest your heart. First ProphetMuhammad met all prophets in the earthly part of his Isra Miraj Night journey to heavens and beyond and back! He met Jesus in Jerusalem and Jesus prayed Salatul Ibrahima behind him! Then he met him again in second heven in the company of his cousin John son of zachariah, while he met Moses in the sixth heaven and had dialogue with both of them. But more dialogue with Moses when heMuhammad (as) was being given the commandment of daily salah. I see that you know nothing about nothing.

I no insult you o. But an just jiving with you now. I trying to give you that neck shot, a knock out blow. Just wake your soul up!

olabowale:
Yet you called Jesus god? How infite do you wnt a god that slept, tired and fatigued, ate, deficated; both liquid and solid, developed as a fetus in a young womans womb, suckled and pass through the human stages of infancy, crawling, babbling, trying to take steps, etc?

Yes. Jesus is true God and true man. His 'weakness' ultimately toppled the corrupt leadership of the powerful Roman empire. There was no need for jihad.

olabowale:
Same condition with every prophet, when they are in spiritual protocol. None of the companions of ProphetMuhammad can look him in the eye because of the amount of light on him, after every salah! That happened five times every day. Then when he is receiving revelation his body becomes very heavy. A proof of that was when he was resting part of his body on the thigh of one of his companions (ra). And suddenly he began to receive revelation. This companion said that that part of his body that wa resting on his thigh became so heavy that he was afraid that his thigh bone was going to crack!

Whether he was heavy or light - his prophecies should never contradict events that took place 570 years before he was born.

olabowale:
Rest your heart. First ProphetMuhammad met all prophets in the earthly part of his Isra Miraj Night journey to heavens and beyond and back! He met Jesus in Jerusalem and Jesus prayed Salatul Ibrahima behind him! Then he met him again in second heven in the company of his cousin John son of zachariah, while he met Moses in the sixth heaven and had dialogue with both of them. But more dialogue with Moses when heMuhammad (as) was being given the commandment of daily salah. I see that you know nothing about nothing.

I no insult you o. But an just jiving with you now. I trying to give you that neck shot, a knock out blow. Just wake your soul up!

Anybody could have invented all these stories and claimed they were from the spiritual realm. Hollywood has done better than Moh@mmed in inventing such stories.

Femi 1:


Well my own points are this:
*Moses and The Great Prophet fought war for the growth of God's religion but, jesus did not fight war.
*Moses and The Great Prophet got human father and mother but, jesus did not have human father.
*Moses and The Great Prophet were sheperd befor they became prophet but, jesus was never a sheperd.
*Moses and The Great Prophet ministerd the work of God for long years but, jesus did for just 3years, etc.

I dont intend to be insolent but anyone who has intelligence even as small as the mustard seed would know that those qualifications quoted by you and displayed is so base and demeaning of anyone who is contesting to enter into the Prophet's Hall of fame!

Now if you Femi wakes up tomorrow and

1) Form your religion and fight several wars to advance your cause then you pass the first test.
2) Of course you have got human father and mother, so you have passed test @ 2
3) You too has never been a shepherd like MO, so you pass test # 3,
4) After advancing your cause with a sword and pirated existing books making a potpourri of poetry, some ancients beliefs, and writings, and others, and deceived people with lies as we have in Guru Maraji, Olumba Olumba, et al, and gave eloquent speeches on your conviction for many years, we would say you have ministered more than 3 years, you would have passed the fourth test

Now Femi, what is stopping you from claiming that prophecy in the book of Deuteronomy and saying you are the much talked about and awaited prophet the bible was talking about.

Each time you try and smuggle MO into the bible using the Deuteronomy tarmac, you only further tell us how cheap your 'prophet' is.

Femi 1:

Well my own points are this:
*Moses and The Great Prophet fought war for the growth of God's religion but, jesus did not fight war.

Moses did not fight a single war to promote a religion at all.
What you refer to as a religion was actually an indirect relationship between God and Abraham . . . a covenant that carried on to His descendants (the children of Isaac) through God's immutable promise. A relationship with Moses as the go-between.

Femi 1:

*Moses and The Great Prophet got human father and mother but, jesus did not have human father.

And yet you hypocrites claim Jesus Christ was still a man like you and me? Ever seen a human born without a father?
You people keep twisting urselves in a knot the more desperate you get trying to force mohammed into the bible.

Femi 1:

*Moses and The Great Prophet were sheperd befor they became prophet but, jesus was never a sheperd.

this could apply to just about any shepherd. Is being a shepherd the criteria for prophethood? Joshua was no shepherd yet He took over from Moses.
David was a shepherd, Solomon was not . . . do the shepherds in ur village also qualify to be prophets?

Femi 1:

*Moses and The Great Prophet ministerd the work of God for long years but, jesus did for just 3years, etc.

What a load of twaddle. Jesus preached for only 3.5yrs and YET He remains the most important man that ever lived and books of His works are still the best selling book of all time 2000yrs after.

Femi 1:

Thirdly," put my words in his mouth". If we go into the Q chapter 112:1, God said to The Great Prophet, Say (O The Great Prophet): "He is God,(the) One.
If an area boy threating us, we will be affraid, but God is threating us that whosoever will not hearken unto the words which he shall speak in God's name, he shall require it of him, we do not even care to listen to Him(God). Well the truth has been spoken.

we would have listened if indeed he were god but since we know its just a demon masquerading as one we do not care to listen and nothing shall be required of us.

@4Him:

Moses did not fight a single war to promote a religion at all.
What you refer to as a religion was actually an indirect relationship between God and Abraham . . . a covenant that carried on to His descendants (the children of Isaac) through God's immutable promise. A relationship with Moses as the go-between.

Jesus included in that son of Isaac? I guess you will say that all the values of the covenant was transmitted from Ibrahim to the Isaac children leaving Ibrahim out of the loop! These Christians can lie too much! Shame on liars.

And yet you hypocrites claim Jesus Christ was still a man like you and me? Ever seen a human born without a father?
You people keep twisting urselves in a knot the more desperate you get trying to force mohammed into the bible.

David you are future doctor. Ever heard of artificial insemination? Ever heard of test tube baby? Ever heard heard of surrogate motherhood? What will happen when they began to clone? No sex! Yet babies can be produced!

For me the old fashion is the best. But for you, you will be deprived of it in Christian heaven.

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@olabowale

Let us now put Mark12:29 in context ->

Mark12:28-37:

28 One of the scribes, when he came forward and heard them disputing and saw how well he had answered them, asked him, "Which is the first of all the commandments?"

29  Jesus replied, "The first is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone!

30 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'

31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

32 The scribe said to him, "Well said, teacher. You are right in saying, 'He is One and there is no other than he.'

33 And 'to love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself' is worth more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

34 And when Jesus saw that (he) answered with understanding, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And no one dared to ask him any more questions.

35 As Jesus was teaching in the temple area he said, "How do the scribes claim that the Messiah is the son of David?

36[b] David himself, inspired by the holy Spirit, said: 'The Lord said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet."' [/b]

37 David himself calls him 'lord'; so how is he his son?"

A scribe came to ask Jesus a tricky question about the commandments. Jesus summarizes all the many Jewish commandments into two -> love of God and love of neighbor.

Jesus then goes ahead to mention His  own genealogy. Look at verses 35 to 37. He is the Son of God. God can only beget God, just as man begets man and cat begets cat.

So, you see that you have been taking it out of context all the while!!

@Imhotep: Liar, liar pant on fire! David, bami so fun keferi (kiriyo) yi pe ko mo nkon to nso! You do wuru wuru to the answer! Man, you are good, but not without a peep into your fallacy!

Let us now put Mark12:29 in context ->

Quote from: Mark12:28-37
28 One of the scribes, when he came forward and heard them disputing and saw how well he had answered them, asked him, "Which is the first of all the commandments?"

29 Jesus replied, "The first is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone!

Take note that the word "Our" is inclusive of Jesus and all the Israelites, his primary and exclusive audience and ministry boundary! How them is he different from the Israelite in servantry to God the Lord who is One, except that he was the messenger prophet who brought them the good news, just Moses had brought them the torah? This you must answer, since you have the gull to open the can of worms in here.

30 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'

Pay attention to the fact that Jesus was lecturing them here about their duties to God. And not their duties to him, a messenger prophet who was present with them. Jesus already knew and doing these things himself, that was how he could tell them. Afterall, he was their primary example whom they have to follow or emulate.

31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."
32 The scribe said to him, "Well said, teacher. You are right in saying, 'He is One and there is no other than he.'

Jesus never said to the Scribe, hey I am the God that I am referring to. And he did not say that he was His son either. If there was a time to truly say these things, this was it. Yet there was not a single line leading to either of the essential position, which the Christians are now claiming for him! Anything else is after the fact here. Jesus never claimed it, but it was convenient for people to claim it for him, since he is not available to rebuke or refute your claims.

33 And 'to love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself' is worth more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."
34 And when Jesus saw that (he) answered with understanding, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God." And no one dared to ask him any more questions.

It seemed that Jesus was the authority among them. It was necessary to ask him questions, but whatever his answer, it should be sufficient. Same with ProphetMuhammadbinAbdallah. I wonder then how you will think that Jesus was more than a prophet when he emitted the very essence of prophethood? And why are the non Mus'lims angry when they read thayProphetMuhammad was th law and authority just like Jesus was above here?

35 As Jesus was teaching in the temple area he said, "How do the scribes claim that the Messiah is the son of David?
36 David himself, inspired by the holy Spirit, said: 'The Lord said to my lord, "Sit at my right hand until I place your enemies under your feet."'

Who are the enemies of Jesus, if he is the lord referred to by the Lord above? Are these the Israelites? Did he fight them or did he finally win over them or win them over at anytime? The answer to each question is no! You know it and I know it. Post David, the Prophet, father of Solomon who you claimed to be the speaker, his son Solomon fought wars. After him and his son, Israelite nations (the 12 nations of israel) were divided into two distinctive regions, Israel and Judea. This remain until Jesus came as a prophet. Jesus was not victorious over any people. He was not a king, and he was not a warrior and was not successful at uniting these 2 sections of the 12 nations of Israel. At no time was he successful in his ministry, if we go by the bible alone. Afterall the majority of his people are still not his followers. Christianity is a fringe religion among the Children of israel. But we only can see Jesus succeess, when we read the Qur'an. Finally, just to agitate your thinking a little, god and lord was only used human beings in the Bible? Was it not used for a group of people? can you name any or all of them, including stones and trees, if any?

Infact, he was hanged as a victim, just like all the other victimised prophets of old, eg, John son of Zachariah and his father! They were killed. I am quoting your Bible now. Others, their lives were attempted upon. So this saying of Prophet David could not apply to Jesus. Jesus was not a warrior. From your Bible, he was meek in disposition. Rather it would apply to a prophet who fought wars and was supported by Angels to be victorious over his formidable enemies. Many a time Angel Gabreil bought along side the nation of MuhammadbinAbdallah. Take for example, the Battle of Badr, where in the month of fasting they were just 310 (the exact numbers of soldiers under King Saul when David defeated Goliat), and they defeated a more equiped and battle ready 1000 strong men of Quraish. Thats putting an enemy under the feet of the victor!

Would the sitting on the right side of God be a physical thing or what? You will see that at no time nothing referred or inferred to Jesus in that speech.

37 David himself calls him 'lord'; so how is he his son?"

Should this not truly point out to you that the Bible itself antagonises itself! Averse antagonises another. A topic destroys another. A chapter goes against another. A book actually opposes another. Now, which is true, Verse 37 here or the genealogy of jesus where David is referred to as his father, along with the others, including his step father? Who is truly his father? Rather he was fathereless, a miraculous creation that only God can, without using any element! Of course, Children are born today without fathers, but not without using God's foundamental elements, even in cloning, or test tube baby, artificial insemination reproduction, surrogacy or others.

A scribe came to ask Jesus a tricky question about the commandments. Jesus summarizes all the many Jewish commandments into two -> love of God and love of neighbor.

But cancelled Circumcision, kosher dietary laws, none graving imagery, and others? You do not speak the truth at all. Jesus himself observed all of these, how can he cancelled them for his followers? Sometimes, I think you want to speak the truth, but you fight the urge of it and therefore hold back.

Jesus then goes ahead to mention His own genealogy. Look at verses 35 to 37. He is the Son of God. God can only beget God, just as man begets man and cat begets cat.

I beget my sons. But their mother is in the same nature as me and the boys. In the case of cats, the mother cat and the litters and father cat are all in the same nature; cats. Man in the nature of people. Now how do you justify Jesus looking like his mother Mary and not like God? God whom no sight have ever seen Him? Except that Jesus is truly his mother's son, without a father, an easy process of creation by God. Afterall, without an example, God created Adam from soil and water. Then from a part of Adam, He created Eve, a female and before, these two, there was no man, and there was no woman! You must realise that Christians belittle the capacity of God to create as He wills and how He wills. Or you are over exagerating the position of Jesus. You love for him, because of your failure to carry your own water to save your own soul. You thought you have found somebody that will do it for you. So you have to concort a fitting imagery of him. Even if it means out right and delusional lies!

So, you see that you have been taking it out of context all the while!!

No so Imhotep. Rather it is your malaisse that has blindede you to see the truth tha nothing add up in your calculations.

Assalam-alaikum olabowale: I just want to give you an encouraging word that you should continue in your dialogueing with the christians(Kiriyo), because God has put the responsibility on us to convey his message to all mankind, Ipray to Almighty All,ah to grant all muslim's Al-jannat Firdous in the hearafter. May All'ah bless you and all the mus'lims that are defending the deen on internet including me, Amen

Femi 1:

Assalam-alaikum olabowale: I just want to give you an encouraging word that you should continue in your dialogueing with the christians(Kiriyo), because God has put the responsibility on us to convey his message to all mankind, Ipray to Almighty All,ah to grant all a great one's Al-jannat Firdous in the hearafter. May All'ah bless you and all the mus'lims that are defending the deen on internet including me, Amen

You're confused there my brother . . .
al jaanat means - garden of eden
Firdous means - paradise.

Is there anything like garden of eden paradise?

Hey 4Him,i'm not talking to you, i was greeting to my brother in isl'am the best greeting in the site of God Almighty . peace is not mean't for modern shango worshippers(christians). , ? Well thats what you people are.

Femi 1:

Hey 4Him,i'm not talking to you, i was greeting to my brother in isl'am the best greeting in the site of God Almighty . peace is not mean't for modern shango worshippers(christians). , ? Well thats what you people are.

why are you people so afraid of the truth?

@olabowale
God the Son + the body of Christ + the soul of Christ = Jesus Christ

Jesus has an infinitely rich Personality.
- He is God
- He is Priest, Prophet, Teacher and King
- He is the model Man.

As such, He can speak on many many many many levels at  the same time.

As Teacher and Prophet He says ->

Mark12:29-31:

29  Jesus replied, "The first is this: 'Hear, O Israel! The Lord our God is Lord alone!
30 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'
31 The second is this: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no other commandment greater than these."

As eternal God who sees the hearts of men he says ->

Mark12:34:

34 And when Jesus saw that (he) answered with understanding, he said to him, "You are not far from the kingdom of God."

Only God can know those who are not far from His Kingdom.

olabowale:
I beget my sons. But their mother is in the same nature as me and the boys. In the case of cats, the mother cat and the litters and father cat are all in the same nature; cats. Man in the nature of people. Now how do you justify Jesus looking like his mother Mary and not like God? God whom no sight have ever seen Him? Except that Jesus is truly his mother's son, without a father, an easy process of creation by God. Afterall, without an example, God created Adam from soil and water. Then from a part of Adam, He created Eve, a female and before, these two, there was no man, and there was no woman! You must realise that Christians belittle the capacity of God to create as He wills and how He wills. Or you are over exagerating the position of Jesus. You love for him, because of your failure to carry your own water to save your own soul. You thought you have found somebody that will do it for you. So you have to concort a fitting imagery of him. Even if it means out right and delusional lies!

Read the gospels very well ->

Luke 1:35 ->
The angel replied,   “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow   you. Therefore the child  to be born   will be holy;   he will be called the Son of God.



Stop telling God and the angels how YOU want things to be.