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Science versus/and/or Religion by tpaine: 1:19pm On Mar 05, 2008
Is scientific development erosive to religion? If it is, which aspects of science most undermines religious belief (and which aspects of religious belief)?

Or are they fully compatible, the one complimenting the other?

Or, to use Stephen J Gould's idea, are they non-overlapping majesteria (NOMA); the two located and concerned about entirely different sphere of reality?
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by Frizy(m): 5:51pm On Mar 05, 2008
The only religion that connotes with science is Islam. The recent scientific discovery, unveils new things revelated in the ko-ran over 1500 years ago.

The aspect of science that really undermines religion is Evolution, Charles Darwin's lie; that men evolve from apes and life is all about the strongest survive, and the weak ones die out.

This ideology is just the same as the Satanist but other scientist are questioning this event lie.
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by drrionelli(m): 8:26pm On Mar 05, 2008
@tpaine:
Wonderful question!   Although I must admit that I find it interesting that you ask whether science is erosive to religion and not whether religion is erosive to science (or, for that matter, whether each is erosive to the other).
Anyway, I personally feel that they are complimentary.  Some might suggest that there exists a synergistic relationship between the two, but I'm not sure I'm yet prepared to go quite that far!

@Frizy:
Please allow me to respectfully point out what appears to be a slight misunderstanding regarding evolution.  Evolution does not suggest that man evolved from apes, but rather, it suggests that various life forms share common ancestries.  Also, it makes a case not for the survival of the strongest, but rather the survival of the fittest, i.e., those who are most suited (or best adapted) to a given set of circumstances in a given environment.
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by tpaine: 11:24pm On Mar 05, 2008
drrionelli:

@tpaine:
Wonderful question! Although I must admit that I find it interesting that you ask whether science is erosive to religion and not whether religion is erosive to science (or, for that matter, whether each is erosive to the other).
Anyway, I personally feel that they are complimentary. Some might suggest that there exists a synergistic relationship between the two, but I'm not sure I'm yet prepared to go quite that far!

@Frizy:
Please allow me to respectfully point out what appears to be a slight misunderstanding regarding evolution. Evolution does not suggest that man evolved from apes, but rather, it suggests that various life forms share common ancestries. Also, it makes a case not for the survival of the strongest, but rather the survival of the fittest, i.e., those who are most suited (or best adapted) to a given set of circumstances in a given environment.


Would be interesting to see example of area of how they compliment each other!
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by ppanther(m): 12:43pm On Mar 07, 2008
Hello

Albert Einstein said it all:

"Science without religion is lame
Religion without science is blind"

Nuff said.
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by tpaine: 1:14pm On Mar 07, 2008
I wonder whether you know what Einstein's religions was? You would be surprised !!!!
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by Nobody: 2:00pm On Mar 07, 2008
More Einstein quotes ->

I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice.


God is subtle but he is not malicious.


God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.



Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.


My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.



The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by Nobody: 2:03pm On Mar 07, 2008
More Einstein quotes -->

"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."


"I can not accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I can not prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar."


"Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe - a spirit vastly superior to that of man, In this way the pursuit of science leads to a religious feeling of a special sort, which is indeed quite different from the religiosity of someone more naive."


"I cannot believe that God would choose to play dice with the universe." or sometimes quoted as "God does not play dice with the universe."

"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature."


In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of the priests."


"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."



"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God."



"What humanity owes to personalities like Buddha, Moses, and Jesus ranks for me higher than all the achievements of the inquiring and constructive mind."


"The priests, in control of education, made the class division of society into a permanent institution and created a system of values by which the people were thenceforth, to a large extent unconsciously, guided in their social behavior."



"The relativity principle in connection with the basic Maxwellian equations demands that the mass should be a direct measure of the energy contained in a body; light transfers mass. With radium there should be a noticeable diminution of mass. The idea is amusing and enticing; but whether the Almighty is laughing at it and is leading me up the garden path - that I cannot know."
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by mnwankwo(m): 2:57pm On Mar 07, 2008
The poster should first define what he meant by Science and Religion. Only then can meaniful discussion proceed.
Re: Science versus/and/or Religion by redsun(m): 8:12pm On Mar 07, 2008
Nature is supreme,man and everything in it is the same,each playing a role to make the whole body work.
The foreign and destructive body in narture right now is man,with the forbidden fruite,knowledge,we are aggresively going against nature in turn altering the natural course,it is like self-harm.
I think there should be a limit to man's interferance with nature in the name of development,there are just somethings we don't need,like in western world,they keep making and buying things they don't need,just because it is new,inturn natural resources are destroyed to make this unnecessary things.Spending billions on space programmes while the earth is hungry for harmonious development.
Science is useful for the basics,while religion curtails the excesses,psychoanalysis.Think about the nuclear weapons in the world,that with its activation either by mistake or by one this crazy leaders,with its radiations hotter than the surface of the sun,humanity will melt.
Perverted science is bad as indoctrinated religion,man should discover himself with common sense,the key word is survival,living without fear and with reverence.

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