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| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 11:49pm On Jan 27, 2013 |
@ffiliated mazaje was making a case for being backward,faulting Gods arrangement as wicked, now you have helped us to quote the verses in full, thanks for that as we shall treat them one by one mazaje: (1)The same bible also says that people should stone to death their disobedient children,(2) kill those that worship other gods,(3) tells people to enslave each other, and says that rapistss should marry the women they rapeee. . .How is that not a backward thing? Affiliated; [quote]1. Stoning disobedient children [Deuteronomy 21:18-21] [b]"If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, [/b]19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death." fistly, how is this 'a backward thing' instead of curbing a problem from the onset, you allow it to grow,eh, and that is 'way forward' lets take the issue of the boy that opened fire on 24 youngsters like himself by shortening their life or, abdulmutalab a nigerian that wanted to kill many americans in a plane but apprehended, had it been that the authorities did something to abdulmutalab by arresting him when his parent report him,he wouldnot have gone that far. or the boy that shortens the life of youngsters like himself would have being curbed. so how is dealing with that situation the deutronomy 21 way a way backward, when the so called way forward is defect? those killed cant beretrieved, use you sense pls. |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by advocate666: 11:52pm On Jan 27, 2013 |
^^^pathetic |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 11:54pm On Jan 27, 2013 |
Go on. Explain the four points before I comment |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 12:00am On Jan 28, 2013 |
@affiliated The belief in that period was the earth was flat and roundish. Circular. do you know the implication of what you have just done above? by now adding roundish or cicular? thats being mischevious, dont be a fool! isiah 40:22 was not talking about roundish flat, infact nothing like flat was mentioned here, but concocted lies from manmustwac/Affiliated, and this is it again isiah 40:22; "It is He who[size=14pt] sits above the circle of the earth[/size]", not inside a round circle of earth, but above the circle, like sitting on a ball! |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 12:05am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: @affiliated Let's divert from what you were explaining for now. We'll get back to it later. Do you know the difference between a circle and a sphere? In order to save time, I'll tell you in layman's term. A circle is 2D [Flat] A sphere is 3D. [Has Volume. Isn't flat] |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 12:05am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Go on. Explain the four points before I commenti see that some innexperieced christians played to your strenght by muddling up issues, so we have to 'joint adress this one by one' here is my first point adressed; comment pls 1. Stoning disobedient children [Deuteronomy 21:18-21] "If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, 19 his father and mother shall take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. 20 They shall say to the elders, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a profligate and a drunkard." 21 Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death." fistly, how is this 'a backward thing' instead of curbing a problem from the onset, you allow it to grow,eh, and that is 'way forward' lets take the issue of the boy that opened fire on 24 youngsters like himself by shortening their life or, abdulmutalab a nigerian that wanted to kill many americans in a plane but apprehended, had it been that the authorities did something to abdulmutalab by arresting him when his parent report him,he wouldnot have gone that far. or the boy that shortens the life of youngsters like himself would have being curbed. so how is dealing with that situation the deutronomy 21 way a way backward, when the so called way forward is defect? those killed cant beretrieved, use you sense pls. educate us pls! |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 12:13am On Jan 28, 2013 |
OK. First of all let me say that the bible wasn't wrong by claiming "He sits above the circle of the earth". If you view a sphere and refuse to take into account its volume then it would look like a circle. Just like those who don't know would say the moon or sun is a circle. The bible didn't give the shape of the earth there but it didn't make a mistake either. As regards the stoning part. So if I understand you clearly, kill the person before the person has the chance to commit the sin? OK. even if that's what should be done [God has never done that] then can it be done in this present age? And would churches condone people stoning their children to death for the reason above? If not, its backwards |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 12:14am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Let's divert from what you were explaining for now. We'll get back to it later. Do you know the difference between a circle and a sphere? In order to save time, I'll tell you in layman's term. A circle is 2D [Flat] A sphere is 3D. [Has Volume. Isn't flat] you have lost this argument, because if it was 'a flat round' it would not have been reported as sitting a above the circle of the earth, and another blow to your claim was that,nothing like flat was mentioned to describe the earth in that bible verse, but flat was formulated by 'you' and haters of the bible who never took their time to realy know what bible contained and teaches! |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 12:16am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: 1. Once circle is used. It means flat. "It is He who sits above the circle of the earth" 2. If i cut a piece of paper into a circle, can't I sit above it? Please let's get back to the issues at hand |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 12:28am On Jan 28, 2013 |
As regards the stoning part. So if I understand you clearly, kill the person before the person has the chance to commit the sin? OK. even if that's what should be done [God has never done that] then can it be done in this present age? And would churches condone people stoning their children to death for the reason above? If not, its backwards let me answer you with the bible, Purpose of the Law Galatians 3:19-21 19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was [size=14pt]added because of transgressions(sin)[/size], till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one. what constitutes sin was to be stamped out, hence the law! there must be a high standard of living among Gods people, as obedient ones 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that [size=14pt]the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe[/size]. 23[size=14pt] But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.[/size] And would churches condone people stoning their children to death for the reason above? If not, its backwards leave churches out of this first, Saddam hussein, why was he hung by the George Bush americans? after US has lost more than 2000 soldeirs? why not allow him to serve prison sentence? i think thats way forward too! is it not? |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 12:36am On Jan 28, 2013 |
^Valid points. So in essence, in this dispensation the law is backwards? Jesus speaks Matthew 5:17 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Has heaven and earth disappeared? Modified based on your modified post... Sadaam Hussein was sentenced to death by the Iraqi special tribunal. No U.S soldier was present during the execution. Also churches are the supposed body of Christ on earth. therefore their actions represent the actions of God so they can't be left out of it |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 12:47am On Jan 28, 2013 |
see one of the oldest bible translations, isaiah 40:22 Douay-Rheims Bible 1899 It is he that sitteth [size=14pt]upon the globe of the earth[/size], and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. globe of the earth cant be flat!ok? |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 12:53am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: OK. If you are in doubt about translations, there's a literal word for word translation. It's called Young's literal bible. And this is how its stated literally 22 He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in. Anyway this circle/globe issue is beside the point. Unless you are trying to digress because you are afraid to admit you are out of points |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 1:03am On Jan 28, 2013 |
^Valid points. So in essence, in this dispensation the law is backwards? that your own word, and not my consent!
jesus did not come to abolish or totally remove or outrightly opened us up into a state of no control, that is what abolish means, if you read my post again, 'why the law' it is to make 'sin' manifest, that is what constitutes sin was to be defined! colossian 2:14 below gave us an interpretation that sumarises jesus purpose on law; colosians 2:14 "[size=14pt]having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross".[/size] Modified based on your modified post... Sadaam Hussein was sentenced to death by the Iraqi special tribunal. No U.S soldier was present during the execution.you seem to be economical about truth here, but you did not deny why more than 2000 US soldiers died there and for what cause? Also churches are the supposed body of Christ on earth. therefore their actions represent the actions of God so they can't be left out of it churches cant be left out of what? shed more light pls |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 1:11am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: OK. I see you are trying to digress. Anyway Paul and Jesus were saying totally different things. I'll be going to bed now. If you want to get back to the discussion maybe you can sleep and think over it. The 4 points of discourse that is. I'll assume the first point is over even though you didn't give any reason as to why it isn't wicked and backwards, we can continue from the second point tomorrow. Goodnight |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 1:12am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Anyway this circle/globe issue is beside the point. Unless you are trying to digress because you are afraid to admit you are out of pointssee youself now, instead of admitting your error and that you are shocked that the bible actually used globe/ or sitting on the circle of the earth agaist your claim that bible says the earth is flat, a claim that many who dont read the bible will just believe, you are here talking of afraid, who is afraid between me and you now, because i will continue to supply proofs till you are done, ok? dont take genuine christians for a joke, the bible facts has won you here, it really mention 'Globe' befoer a so called science!confirmed statement of fact! |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Goshen360(m): 1:13am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: see youself now, instead of admitting your error and that you are shocked that the bible actually used globe/ or sitting on the circle of the earth agaist your claim that bible says the earth is flat, a claim that many who dont read the bible will just believe, you are here talking of afraid, who is afraid between me and you now, because i will continue to supply proofs till you are done, ok? dont take genuine christians for a joke, the bible facts has won you here, it really mention 'Globe' befoer a so called science!confirmed statement of fact! Gbagaun! Three shot!  |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 1:16am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: see youself now, instead of admitting your error and that you are shocked that the bible actually used globe/ or sitting on the circle of the earth agaist your claim that bible says the earth is flat, a claim that many who dont read the bible will just believe, you are here talking of afraid, who is afraid between me and you now, because i will continue to supply proofs till you are done, ok? dont take genuine christians for a joke, the bible facts has won you here, it really mention 'Globe' befoer a so called science!confirmed statement of fact! Lol. I gave you a literal word for word translation and it stated circle and not globe. Circle implies flat. I never claimed "the bible said the earth is flat" I said circle implies flat and the bible implied it by using circle rather than sphere. Why do you just want to argue blindly when you think you are losing the subject matter argument? |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 1:32am On Jan 28, 2013 |
OK. I see you are trying to digress. Anyway Paul and Jesus were saying totally different things. there is no contradiction here, pau; is a lawyer, so there has to be an amalgamation here, what you quoted in mathew is no way repugnant to the collosian quotes! I'll be going to bed now. If you want to get back to the discussion maybe you can sleep and think over it.nothing to think over here, im always ready ok? The 4 points of discourse that is. I'll assume the first point is over even though you didn't give any reason as to why it isn't wicked and backwards, we can continue from the second point tomorrow. Goodnight ok,(a) like i have earlier said 'law was giving so that sin can be defined' in bk of galatians quoted above! (b) God is not wicked because 'he warned them earlier' it was not as if they are not aware, but a deliberate act of disobedience will not go unpunished as a detriment to others, see how his warning sounds; Deuteronomy 11:26-29 26 [size=14pt]See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— 27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; 28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known[/size]. so, many atheist potrays God as wicked by covering his warnings and only talking about his disciplines. even as a citizen of any country, if you disobey rules and regulations are you not going to be punished, if you carry drug to some country its death penalty straight, so instead why not on your own take it as a responsibility to do the right thing before you are flogged? see what this book says proverbs 26:3; [size=14pt] A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the backs of fools![/size] i dont think reasonable people will like to be like these horse and donkey above! |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 1:40am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Lol. I gave you a literal word for word translation and it stated circle and not globe. Circle implies flat. I never claimed "the bible said the earth is flat" I said circle implies flat and the bible implied it by using circle rather than sphere. Why do you just want to argue blindly when you think you are losing the subject matter argument? i dont need to rely on your literal translation because it is misleading and a calculated attempt to rubbish the bible, i knew that danger before i gave you the bible translation that knocked all your insinuations as to flatness or no flatness as the word 'GLOBE' was used by the bible here; isaiah 40:22 Douay-Rheims Bible 1899 It is he that sitteth[size=14pt] upon the globe of the earth[/size], and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. globe of the earth cant be flat!ok? can you see the authenticity of the bible against science? 1899 is more than a century ago! bros u no gbadun my argument? i mean una well well o, if you fit oya now! |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 1:57am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Out of 17 translations below only one says globe. They almost all say circle. I like the international standard version though, it says disk which conveys the idea of flatness. King James is over 4 centuries old compared to your rogue translation. I'll get to the Paul Vs. Jesus issue later today when I awake. New International Version (©1984) He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in. New Living Translation (©2007) God sits above the circle of the earth. The people below seem like grasshoppers to him! He spreads out the heavens like a curtain and makes his tent from them. English Standard Version (©2001) It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in; New American Standard Bible (©1995) It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009) God is enthroned above the circle of the earth; its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like thin cloth and spreads them out like a tent to live in. International Standard Version (©2012) He's the one who sits above the disk of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers. He's the one who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to live in, King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995) God is enthroned above the earth, and those who live on it are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the sky like a canopy and spreads it out like a tent to live in. King James 2000 Bible (©2003) It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in: American King James Version It is he that sits on the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretches out the heavens as a curtain, and spreads them out as a tent to dwell in: American Standard Version It is he that sitteth above the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in; Douay-Rheims Bible It is he that sitteth upon the globe of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as locusts: he that stretcheth out the heavens as nothing, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Darby Bible Translation It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a gauze curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in; English Revised Version It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: Webster's Bible Translation It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: World English Bible It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in; Young's Literal Translation He who is sitting on the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are as grasshoppers, He who is stretching out as a thin thing the heavens, And spreadeth them as a tent to dwell in. |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Nobody: 2:13am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE: You picked the one dubious translation that helped your argument? Mtchew.... |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 2:18am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Out of 17 translations below only one says globe. They almost all say circle. I like the international standard version though, it says disk which conveys the idea of flatness. King James is over 4 centuries old compared to your rogue translation. out of all translations, you could not get just one that directly says 'flat'? so as to help your argument that bible says earth is flat? but circle/globe thats a great credit to the bible! vs so called science |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 2:24am On Jan 28, 2013 |
You picked the one dubious translation that helped your argument? logicboy olodo-rabata-oju-eja-lomooje, aint you sleeping? you must be snorring by now, and pls dont be much of a nuisance even when at sleep. |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by ijawkid(m): 7:41am On Jan 28, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Oya just open one verse of the bible that says the earth is flat...the scriptures have proven long ago before science was born that the earth is circular.......the fact is if you agree it would make you drop all your false claims that the bible is spurious..........that is why atheist like your type would keep implying rubbish to isaiah 40:22 to keep your Godless brains going............... |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Affiliated(m): 8:11am On Jan 28, 2013 |
What's wrong with you people though. The bible did not even exist when science was born. In fact the idea of God didn't exist when Science was born. God is one of primitive science brain child. Once again, the bible did not directly say the earth is flat. The bible said the earth is a circle. All circles are flat. Therefore the bible indirectly said the earth is flat [Like a disc] And even if the bible correctly stated that the earth is spherical, almost 2000 years before that, Someone had already stated that the earth is spherical. |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Nobody: 10:06am On Jan 28, 2013 |
BERNIMOORE:  |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by Nobody: 10:07am On Jan 28, 2013 |
ijawkid: Go and look for the image of a circle. |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by LemonBoy1: 10:12am On Jan 28, 2013 |
advocate666: bro, d lst time i checked, atheist believes in no deity, god or spirit nt to talk of religion or spiritually inclined notions. Satanist believes in satan, dt he exists a spirit, a deity/god. Nw hw does "atheistic satanist" mks sence? Or u js want to confuse me? Pls ans d "why's nd when" questions i asked u. Dnt divert |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by advocate666: 10:41am On Jan 28, 2013 |
LemonBoy1: What are you? |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by advocate666: 10:54am On Jan 28, 2013 |
@ BERNIMOORE, when the bible said in many passages "the ends of the earth" what was it refering to? Please read up Job 38:13 before responding. |
| Re: How Do People Become Atheists by BERNIMOORE: 11:51am On Jan 28, 2013 |
@advocate666 you dont needd to cover a part of context in the bible to give wrong meaning to the 'part of same context' so as to discredit the bible, its called 'misrepresentation, here is it; from verse 12 it was a question to job; job 38:12-13 12 “Have you commanded the morning since your days began 13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, [b]And the wicked be shaken out of i[/b]t? the good thing about the bible is that 'it interpretes itself' and like law, or constitutions, its easy to reconcile, but to mischievous atheists, they jump to myopic conclusion to their own stupidity; the greek word used here(ends of)(*because the NT of the bible was translated originally from greek/aramaic manuscripts) כּנף kânâph kaw-nawf' [size=14pt] an edge or extremity[/size] the same book of job gave us a hint as to 'the extent of' what is meant here; job 37:3 He directs it under the whole heaven, [size=14pt]and his lightning unto the ends of the earth[/size]. now put your biased mind aside and reason in reconciliation the way job put it; (a)that is he was reffering to 'ends/edges/extremities created due to light' as far as light enables you to see. (2) this is also related to the wicked in same verse 13 you quoted, that is, there is no hiding place for the wicked! biased mind cannot see this truth! @Affiliated when job says earth is hung upon nothing,you are claiming a visible gravity below; And the earth isn't hung on nothing as Job claimed. It is held in it's orbit by the sun's gravity can you see the gravity? if no, then why cant you give credit to the bible on that! [size=14pt]water circle explained in the bible before science;[/size] Job 26:7-10 7 He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing. 8 He binds up the water in His thick clouds, Yet the clouds are not broken under it. are you pained now that bible is not really what you insinuate? be fair pls |
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