Do you think that these two will sit in Heaven together?

can you specify first the names of the HEAVEN. IST, 2ND ,3RD,4TH,5TH, 6TH, or 7th. so that we can discuss it.

samba123:

can you specify first the names of the HEAVEN. IST, 2ND ,3RD,4TH,5TH, 6TH, or 7th. so that we can discuss it.

Heaven is Heaven. How would they present themselves to GOD

May kelly:

Heaven is Heaven. How would they present themselves to GOD

You don't know the answer. and still talking about heaven are your dreaming about that you don't know the first heaven, second heaven and soon on, what about are you looking for your philosophy ideal can fit of what are you saying.

@May Kelly

Heaven is Heaven. How would they present themselves to GOD

I still do not understand what you are driving at?

No they will not. Islam is a Religion. Its is not the Faith of Abraham and allah is not the Almighty God that Abraham worshiped. Those who follow Islam is only condeming themselves

No they will not. Isl am is a Religion. Its is not the Faith of Abraham and allah is not the Almighty God that Abraham worshiped. Those  who follow Is lam is only condeming themselves

I c ur ignorance, Abraham was a muslim and he worsjipped Allah in truth and in spirit. The God of Abraham, Noah, Issac and all other prophets is still d same God (ALLAH in ARABIC) we worship today, The same God Moses, Muhammed and Jesus worshipped,

Your response tells me your a Mus lim. Its typical because anyone that replys you guys back, it seems like you are ready for war (after all thats what the qua ran teaches you guys). For your information i understand Arabic and ISLA M means SUBBISION it doesn't mean peace . Allah doesnt mean God. Illah (not to sure of the spelling) means God.

Moreover, we do not worship the same God. Yes there is one God. However the god of mohammed and the God of Abraham are 2 different things.

Flowers212:

Your response tells me your a Mus lim. Its typical because anyone that replys you guys back, it seems like you are ready for war (after all thats what the qua ran teaches you guys). For your information i understand Arabic and ISLA M means SUBBISION it doesn't mean peace . God doesnt mean God. Illah (not to sure of the spelling) means God.

Moreover, we do not worship the same God. Yes there is one God. However the god of the great prophet and the God of Abraham are 2 different things.

Hmmm, ignorance. Well, i know lots of xtians are brainwashed to believe islam is about war or guns but time will tell when the truth is exposed.U dont understand JACK and u r only doing wat some xtians do try to ridcule the great religion.
Islam is gotten from the word SALAM, arabic, SHALOM, hebrew which stands for peace. Islam means PEACE AND TOTAL SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF ALLAH.

ILLAH and ALLAH are not the same. ILLAH means small gods worshiped in ARABIA before Muhammed came. ALLAH means GOD and the supreme being who has right to be worshiped. He is one and only, begts no one nor is he negotten and there is none like him. That is why u hear us say

LA ILLAH ILA ALLAh,

LA - means NO or there is no other
ILLAH means god or small gods
ALLAH is the supreme being, the one and only God

so it means THERE IS NO OTHER god EXCEPT ALLAh,

LOL i can see that you are getting a bit angry, Of course i will wait and see. It is revelled in the Book of Revelation and the book of Daniel which was written 700yrs before the Qu ran and predicts everything that is occuring in the Mus lim world now.

I am not fighting with you. I am a Chris tian and i LOVE Jes us Ch rist (my saviour) with all my heart. The very fact that he died for my sin who am i to hate. Therefore, i LOVE you to and will always put my fellow muslim brothers and siters (and all the other religion) into prayer.

I know what i am talking about as i almost converted to Is lam. But through years of reaserch i now understand is that the TRUE God is the God that Abraham worshiped the God that sent his only begotten Son to die for My Sin.

The only thing i can say to you is read your Qura n and the Hadtif (sorry can not spell it) and after that reasrch on Mohammed. When finished read the Bible and the Jewish book that was written hundreds of years before the qur an then we will talk again.

@Flowers212

The only thing i can say to you is read your Qura n and the Hadtif (sorry can not spell it) and after that reasrch on The Great Prophet. When finished read the Bible and the Jewish book that was written hundreds of years before the qur an then we will talk again.

I have read the books, so can we talk?

talk then

@Flower212

The only thing i can say to you is read your Qura n and the Hadtif (sorry can not spell it) and after that reasrch on The Great Prophet. When finished read the Bible and the Jewish book that was written hundreds of years before the qur an then we will talk again.

Read your post above again and when you finish,set the ball rolling and babs will surely respond.

Flowers212:

LOL i can see that you are getting a bit angry, Of course i will wait and see. It is revelled in the Book of Revelation and the book of Daniel which was written 700yrs before the Qu ran and predicts everything that is occuring in the Mus lim world now.

I am not fighting with you. I am a Chris tian and i LOVE Jes us Ch rist (my saviour) with all my heart. The very fact that he died for my sin who am i to hate. Therefore, i LOVE you to and will always put my fellow a great one brothers and siters (and all the other religion) into prayer.

I know what i am talking about as i almost converted to Is lam. But through years of reaserch i now understand is that the TRUE God is the God that Abraham worshiped the God that sent his only begotten Son to die for My Sin.

The only thing i can say to you is read your Qura n and the Hadtif (sorry can not spell it) and after that reasrch on The Great Prophet. When finished read the Bible and the Jewish book that was written hundreds of years before the qur an then we will talk again.

U quoted 2 books that were written by those u dont know. If predictions were ant=ything to go by, where wud we place Nastradamus, ? (hahahaha, u really make me laff).

I know all ur strategies talking about love, hate and all dat then saying that i m getting angry is a joke, Who doesnt love, i dont hate u too my dear, sinceerely i dont. The bible u are attributing to God got so much flaws that even a scientist can write better. Some of the authors of the books are unknown and some pple come 2geda, join books nd attribute it it to God most high, na wa oooooo, if a man did dat in dis day and age,, wat wud u say, ?

Lets know the things u know about islam, tell us about d quran and hadith, and all u know, we r listening

If Is lam is a peaceful religion as they say, then Muhammad the prophet of Isl am and it's founder, will
be peacefull as well. Let's look at Usama bin Laden's statements in comparison with Muhammad and the Q uran:
Usama: "In our religion, we believe that All ah has created us for the purpose of worshipping him. He is
the one who has created us and who has favored us with this religion. All ah has ordered us to make holy wars
and to fight to see to it that His word is the highest and the uppermost and that of the unbelievers the lowermost."


Muhammad: "I have been ordered by All ah to fight with people till they testify there is no god but Al lah and
Mohammed is his messenger." Abbas in Sahih al-Bukhari (Part 1), 13.)

What part of "fight" does the west not understand?


Usama clearly teaches Muhammadan commandments when he preached: "When the holy war called, thousands of
young men from the Arab Peninsula and other countries answered the call and they came from wealthy backgrounds. Hundreds of them were killed in Afghanistan and in Bosnia and in Chechnya.We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian. As far as we are concerned, they are all targets"

So the question would be, did Muhammad spare civilians? Did Muhammad terrorize? Well, it depended
on his mood for mercy on each occasion. The account of Kinana the Jewish Rabbi who was captured after battle
with the Jews in Saudi Arabia is well recorded:

"Kinana was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew
came (T. was brought) to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going round a certain ruin every
morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, "Do you know that if we find you have it I shall kill
you?" he said "Yes". The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was
found. When he asked him about the rest he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr b.
`Al-Awwam, "Torture him until you extract what he has," so he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his
chest until he was nearly dead.

Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud" (Ibn Hisham, "Sirat Rasulallah", as translated by A.  Guillaume under the title "The Life of Muhammad", page 515. "T." refers to the reading according to al-Tabari. It is also supported by Sunan of Abu Dawud, Book 19, Number 2996.

No Musl im  denies these statements.

The first terrorist incident involves Muhamm ad's command to his followers to "kill any J ew that comes
under your power". From Guillaume, op cit, page 369.


Usama on one of his fatwas stated:

"kill civilians including all those who participate in, or help the Jewish occupiers in killing Mu slims" "We are certain that we shall - with the grace of Alla h - prevail over the Americans and over the Jews, as the Messenger of A llah promised us in an authentic prophetic statement when He said the Hour of Resurrection shall not come before Muslims fight Jews and before Jews hide behind trees and behind rocks.

We are certain - with the grace of All ah - that we shall prevail over the Jew s and over those fighting with them, I am one of the servants of All ah. We do our duty of fighting for the sake of the religion of All ah. It is also our duty to send a call to all the people of the world to enjoy this great light and to embrace Isla m and experience the happiness in Isla m.

Our primary mission is nothing but the furthering of this religion. , Let not the West be taken in by those who say that Mus lims choose nothing but slaughtering. Their brothers in East Europe, in Turkey and in Albania have been guided by All ah to submit to Isla m and to experience the bliss of Isl am, " (Usama bin Laden, Interview with John Miller may,1998).

These statements match the verses and hundreds others, and the whole of the Muhammadan orders are clear with
no room of any other interpretation. Usam a simply follows his faith. He got his instructi ons from Muh ammad who stated:
"The Last Hour would not come till the Mu slims fight against the Je ws, and the Mu slims will kill them until the Jews hide themselves behind the stones and trees, and the stones and trees would speak up saying: "O Mus lim! O slave of All ah! There is a Je w hiding behind me; come and kill him." The _Ghardaq_ tree would speak, for it is the tree of the Jews." (Muhammad the prophet of Isl am, narrated by Abu Hurraira).

Yet all the media and government including the president keep repeating the phrase that Islam is a religion of peace, that the Mu slim fundamentalists are not following true Isl am.  This is plain nonsense.  The truth is that it's the other way around. The fundamentalists get their commandments from the highest authority - the Quran in which was etched from a stone replica written by Al lah in heaven with the following commandments regarding non-Mus lim s:  

"Fight against those who believe not in Alla h and the Last Day and do not forbid what Al lah and His Messenger have forbidden -- such men as practice not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book(the Bible) -- until they pay Jezzi eh (taxes for non-M uslim) out of hand and have been belittled" (Islam ic Holy Qura n, Sura al-Tawba 9:29).

Jizzieh is only applied to Christians and Jews.  I suggest you get a book called The Decline of Eastern
Christianity Under I slam: From Jih ad to Dhimmitude:  "Isla m Unbound & Uncovered" by: Bat Ye'or.
It outlines the so-called golden age of Isl am and details all the evil deeds to minorities.  What about moderate Musli ms?

In response to the bloody attack against civilians in the U.S., Saudi Arabia's Sheikh Yusuf who is considered a moderate by many issued a statement.  Wednesday saying that:  "Our hearts bleed for the attacks that has targeted
the World Trade Center [WTC], as well as other institutions in the United States despite our strong oppositions to the American biased policy towards Isra el on the military, political and economic fronts.

"Isl am , the religion of tolerance, holds the human soul in high esteem, and considers the attack against innocent human beings a grave sin, this is backed by the Qur 'anic verse which reads:  "Who so ever kills a human being for other than
manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he has killed all mankind, and who so ever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind," (Al-Ma'dah:32). "I have been asked several questions on TV programs and on public lectures about the martyr operations outside the Palestini an territories, and I always answer that I do agree with those who do not allow such martyr operations to be carried out outside the Pal estinian
territo ries. (Sheikh Yusu f Al-Qarad awi, Sept 13, 2001, Sau di  Arabia).  So terror is only ok as long as the victims are Jew s in Is rael.

The difference between moderate Islam and fundamental Islam is very little. The moderates wage Ji had on a national scale, and if the enemies of Isl am retaliate or wages war against the Islamiza tion, it would be considered as an act of war against Musli ms in which the orders from the Qura n are strictly to:  "The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or
crucifixion, or cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" (Islamic Holy Quran 5:33).  What part of crucifixion and cutting against who surrenders doesn't anyone understand?  

In Afghanis tan, they didn't take prisoners of war, Russian soldiers were literally raped and chopped to pieces. Skinning someone while alive and public shooting is a daily thing in Afghanistan.  Yes there are many kind and tolerating verses in Islamic writings, but these are only used today in order to propagate Islam in the West, before a Holy war is waged. Moh ammed, the founder of Islam, was quoted as saying, "Invitation first (that is, call
them first to embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war." So your rights are only exercised after you submit. Anything unclear about this order? This is moderate Isla m and neither moderate or fundamentalists would disagree on these verdicts.  Indeed the countries that have came back to the old legislati on have one thing in common - disasters. Like
I said, since it has been adopted by Sudan (1983), 2 million Christians have been starved and killed unnecessarily in order to force them to Islam.

The war against terrorism will not cover Iran, Sudan, Libya, Palestine, or Syria. It is only the fundamentalist cells that operate within these regions. But the question we should ask is - wasn't Hitler a terrorist?  Pakistan, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, and all these so called moderates still kill Christians. Aren't these acts of terrorism?

Isl am in itself is global terror. In the past it did not stop in only converting the desert dwellers. Paul Fregosi's book, "Jih ad" sums it up:  "The story begins around 650 C.E. with the first, unsuccessful siege of Constantinople, and continues with the invasion and occupation, sometimes for hundreds of years, of many European countries. Italy,
Sicily, Portugal, France, Spain, Austria, Bosnia, Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Rumania, Wallachia, Albania, Moldavia, Bulgaria, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, the Ukraine, and eastern and southern Russia were all battlefields where Islam conquered or was conquered in violent conflicts marked by cruelty, bloodlust, and a fearful loss of life, spread over considerably more than a thousand years.

"Though Sura 2:256 states, "There is no compulsion in religion".

"Isla m to the world". This is the plan and the banner carried in all Islamic demonstrations. And what about
M slim s who leave the faith. Do they have the freedom of choice? Does America think that the peace loving
Isl am have abolished the death penalty for anyone who leaves the faith? Today in Afghanistan, the Arab
Emirate s, Pakistan(our ally), Saudi Ar abia(another so called ally), and Sud an, the death penalty is being
exercised quite often against anyone who even questions Isl am or leaves the faith.  

Pakistan has the "blasph emy" law. I suggest you look into it. All for the sake of conscience convert to another religion?
Also, the Hadith states:


"Who relinquishes his faith, kill him" (Abbas in Sahih of al-Bukhari (Part 9), 19. Attested by numerous
Isla mic scholars.)

It seems that all Musl im scholars support the death penalty for anyone who leaves Islam without exception.

What the west doesn't understand is that according to Islam, S ura 2:256, which teaches freedom of religion,
is no longer valid as it has been abrogated by later revelations which were given to Mohammed.
In his book, How to Perfect the Science of the Qura n (Al-Itqan), writes Mr. Al-Sy oti, in volume 2 page 37;
"The Verse of the Sword has abrogated (annulled, cancelled) one hundred and twenty four Quranic verses
and all what came in the Qur an on matters of forgiving and ignoring, unbelievers have been replaced
(Mansookha), by the verse of the sword."

This is also conferred by the highest of the interpreters of the Quran. For further evidence refer to the following; Kitab Al-N asekh Wal-mansookh, by Al-Neesaburi. Al-Hafeth Ibnu Katheer Ibin Abas.  Al-Tas heel  Lulum Al- Tanzeel. Al-Husain Ibn Fadl. Abu Abdullah Muha mmad Ibn Hazm. Al-Muh aqiq Abu Al-Qasim Hibatullah Ibn Salameh. Al-S udy W a-AlDahak. Muha mmad Abdulsala m    The evidence on the abrogation of verses which calls
for tolerance and patience cannot be refuted. People in the West today need to be awakened, they cannot
ignore what is really taught in the East, that is; to Islamize the West. Again, the banners one sees in all Islamic rallies and demonstrations proves the point - "Islam to the World."

The greatness of any system is measured on how they treat their minorities. Today in Afghanistan the Omar(second Chaliph of Isl am) declaration is being enforced. The non-Muslims Hindus are required to put a distinctive yellow patch on their shoulder.  Little is known that in many Arab and Isla mic countries Je ws were forced to wear distinctive
clothing and even a "yellow badge" on their shoulders way before the Nazi era. So, where did all this come
from?

It came from the highest Isl amic legislations. Omar bin Al-Kh attab, the friend of Muhamm ad the prophet and
the second Khalifah of Islam. His edict was carried out for many centuries throughout the east.  In the ninth century, for example, Baghdad's Caliph Al-Muta wakkil designated a yellow badge for Je ws, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany. The facts are that such systems were not an invention that started in Germany's Nazi era.

A comparison between Nazi law towards J ews and Dhimmi Law in the Omar Charter will find much in common:
Nazi : Jew s need to wear an identifiable mark on their clothing to identify them as Jews. The star of David for an identification with the word (Jude) on the chest. A yellow banner is to be fixed around the shoulder or arm, as to be recognized as a Je w. They must live in the Je wish Ghettos.  Isla m: Dhimm is (Jews & Christians) must wear identifiable clothing and live in a clearly marked house. For Jews, a yellow banner is to be fixed around the shoulder or arm, as to be recognized as a Jew.

Nice post, let me take my time read it well and give u ur reply. I hav come accross smtin like dis on d net but cant remember where, i wud answer u well,

Exod us 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." ,
Moha med broke Go d's commandment by bearing false witnessing against Go d himself and teaching his followers to lie and deceive others for the benefit of Mus ims and Isla m.

Exod us 20:7 "Thou shalt not take the name of the LO RD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." ,
Moham ed broke God's commandment by spreading lies, deceptions, hate, promiscuity, immoralities, and false teachings in the name of God

Exo dus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's." ,
Moha med broke God's commandment by coveting the wife of any man. Any women that Moham ed lay his eyes on, her husband should divorce her and give her to Mohamed. He even forced his adoptive son to divorce his wife so he can marry her

Exod us 20:14 "Thou shalt not commit adultery." ,
Mohame d broke God's commandment by committing adultery, and was caught by his wife Hafsa committing the act in her bed and in her house with his maid Mary the Copt.


MOREOVER PLS TELL ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT JES SUS SAID THAT HE WILL SEND MOHA MMED

@Flower212


What is your age if I may ask?

Exod us 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." ,
Moha med broke Go d's commandment by bearing false witnessing against Go d himself and teaching his followers to lie and deceive others for the benefit of Mus ims and Isla m.

Exod us 20:7 "Thou shalt not take the name of the LO RD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain." ,
Moham ed broke God's commandment by spreading lies, deceptions, hate, promiscuity, immoralities, and false teachings in the name of God

Exo dus 20:17 "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's." ,
Moha med broke God's commandment by coveting the wife of any man. Any women that Moham ed lay his eyes on, her husband should divorce her and give her to Mohamed. He even forced his adoptive son to divorce his wife so he can marry her

Exod us 20:14 "Thou shalt not commit adultery." ,
Mohame d broke God's commandment by committing adultery, and was caught by his wife Hafsa committing the act in her bed and in her house with his maid Mary the Copt.

Brother, I pity your soul o. It seems you just bumped on that site you are lifting from. Where have you been when all these allegations were refuted. Can you back you claim with proof?

MOREOVER PLS TELL ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT JES SUS SAID THAT HE WILL SEND MOHA MMED

Do you still want to resurrect already dead issue?

No i didn't, As i said i almost converted to Isl am i spent 4 yrs studing it reading even went out of my way to study Abraic after all out of the 1.9 billion Musl im out there only 3 per cent understand arabic how funny is that 3 per cent , im 26 yrs old, just recently converted to christ ainity. a year ago,

What has my age got to do with it, Even lets say i copied and paste the above why can't you replt to it,

Okay let me just say one thing pls where in the Bible it says that Momha med is the one after Jes us, Pls i would like to see this, Since the rest is old news

@Flower212


You are a kid but will still reply you because you thought i ran from you. In case you dont know babs, read my posts and you would know that babs doesnt run from debate and even hot ones too but I dont want you to run when we start because we will be using the bible too.

You made a wrong choice by leaving Islam. I was like you and even read the bible before you were born before reverting to Islam.

So who came after Jesus?

My detailed response is on the way to all your posts here.

I didn't run why would i all i need to do is log off, It seems that you know who came after Je sus. Pls engliten me who and where in the Bib ble does it make reference to this?

And yes i like to consider that i am young i look it (lol) however age is nothing but a number as far as i can read and maken sense of what it then thats that

Also if i log off that doesn't mean i am runing away as i am at work and will be living in some mins so don't take it as you defeated me

wow what are you doing? writing the whole bible There is no need i have one with me. Simple tell me where and i can see it for myself,

Thants what i thought speechless nice taling to you Babs next time i take it

@poster
Kindly explain yourself,what do mean "Sit together in heaven" How will that happen?

@Flowers212

MOREOVER PLS TELL ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE THAT JES SUS SAID THAT HE WILL SEND MOHA MMED

There is no arabic word (محمد , Mim-ha-mim-dal or mohamad ) found in New testament if you referring from your Bible the new testament.

What I read from you story telling that you got from internet and media and compile it into sentences are not a big deal at all.

while you are new to your faith it doesn't mean you're well verse from the Bible mostly of the Billion christian are not reading the Bible.

if I ask you now are you a believer christian? that my simple question to you

i thought as much can not answer the question but its surprising that other Mus lim can point in the Bible where it is, Therefore, why can't you maybe you are not a true musli m. and to your question i am a believer of Yahweh the most High. The seed of Abraham the living God

Flowers212:

i thought as much can not answer the question but its surprising that other Mus lim can point in the Bible where it is, Therefore, why can't you maybe you are not a true musli m. and to your question i am a believer of Yahweh the most High. The seed of Abraham the living God

I said that their is no arabic name mohamad in the bible in new testament is that a big deal.
my simple question you do not even answer if you a believer christian or not did you read your bible or not? how verse you're? in you're bible

well then why is it that all your major schollars can point it and you can not and read my response i believe in the same God of Abraham i believe in Jes us

well, you also believe what the bible said is that right? let put you on the test if you're a sincere to your believe.? deal or no deal

The same samba who doesnt know that jaanat means - garden of eden and NOT heaven as he has been decieved?
The same Samba who doesnt know that firdaus means paradise and NOT heaven?

I maintain that "heaven" is not a generic name for the destination for the religious afterlife but a specific place mentioned ONLY in the bible.