Ubenedictus: weytin b "a point of contact"? I usually hear the term when protestants are praying for the 'fruit of the womb".

Those that use it will explain it better.

Lovethywilbedon: First I love the way you entered, like the Serpent, not intending any harm. Claiming to be a member of a "NON-DENOMINATION" denomination, Then you promised to give an unbiased reply. Then finaly you did the opposite of what you promise. Please tell me you are not a HYPOCRITE and consequently one of them.

Am i not right? The only denomination for the followers of Christ is called Christian. That is what differentiate us from others. I don't want to "tautologilize" that word.

Please point out what is wrong with my unbiased reply.

2 Kings 18:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cutdown the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was calledNehushtan.

like onyestephen said, the serpent symbolized how Christ will be lifted up. It was set up at that time for a purpose or one-time use. When the Israelites offered incense to it, it became an idol.

The same goes for Catholics who make the image of the cross where the Son of Man was lifted up. The kneel, bow and offer incense to it. A perfect analogy. That is why i said catholics Fiercely worship idol because i have studied what they do.

If i study those protestants well, i will come up with an unbiased conclusion about them too.

SMH for Catholics and those protestants.

Boomark:



Am i not right? The only denomination for the followers of Christ is called Christian. That is what differentiate us from others. I don't want to "tautologilize" that word.

Please point out what is wrong with my unbiased reply.

2 Kings 18:4
New International Version (NIV)
4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cutdown the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was calledNehushtan.

like onyestephen said, the serpent symbolized how Christ will be lifted up. It was set up at that time for a purpose or one-time use. When the Israelites offered incense to it, it became an idol.

The same goes for Catholics who make the image of the cross where the Son of Man was lifted up. The kneel, bow and offer incense to it. A perfect analogy. That is why i said catholics Fiercely worship idol because i have studied what they do.

If i study those protestants well, i will come up with an unbiased conclusion about them too.

SMH for Catholics and those protestants.

My friend you are wrong in everything. [1.]First cheak the Dictionary meaning of Denomination and see that Christianity or Christian as you put it is not a denomination. [2.]You don't know anything about the Catholic Church, yet you claim to have studied what we do. You can study, FAULSE INFORMATIONS from a Non-Catholic Source and Consequently you will not Know the truth in what we practice, and this makes you a lier when you say things that are not true about Us. As I can see you have resorted to the unfruitful technique you used the last time we meet. [3.]By the way, this thread is about the idolatry you people practice, so the best thing you can do is to defend you faith by explaining how it is that you are not practicing Idolatry. Thanks

^^As a priest of God, i should not be partial. You want me to focus only on those that have dusty particles in their eyes while you Catholics have an igneous rock with molten magma in your eyes.

those people you saw might not know what they are doing. They might feel it is right. Talk to them about it or link one of them here so they can learn the truth.

This is one the thread where we studied catholic idolatry base on bible truth. It was very revealing.
https://www.nairaland.com/1087122/why-catholics-pray-rosary-bow/12[Aggressive Idolatry by catholics]

To catholics, if you feel your priest will scold you or that your parents will disown you for going to another church, try to avoid wearing those objects of worship round your neck as you pray. Avoid kneeling before images of worship as you pray. Pray to God in spirit and in truth.

The analogy between kneeling, bowing, or offering incense to the bronze serpent by Israelites and to the cross by catholics is a proof of idol worship.

Remember, the Son of man was lifted just as the bronze serpent was lifted. In 2kings 18:4, the bronze serpent became an idol. In catholic church, the cross became an idol.

Boomark: ^^As a priest of God, i should not be partial. You want me to focus only on those that have dusty particles in their eyes while you Catholics have an igneous rock with molten magma in your eyes.

those people you saw might not know what they are doing. They might feel it is right. Talk to them about it or link one of them here so they can learn the truth.

This is one the thread where we studied catholic idolatry base on bible truth. It was very revealing.
https://www.nairaland.com/1087122/why-catholics-pray-rosary-bow/12[Aggressive Idolatry by catholics]

To catholics, if you feel your priest will scold you or that your parents will disown you for going to another church, try to avoid wearing those objects of worship round your neck as you pray. Avoid kneeling before images of worship as you pray. Pray to God in spirit and in truth.

The analogy between kneeling, bowing, or offering incense to the bronze serpent by Israelites and to the cross by catholics is a proof of idol worship.

Remember, the Son of man was lifted just as the bronze serpent was lifted. In 2kings 18:4, the bronze serpent became an idol. In catholic church, the cross became an idol.

I have seen where you learn the rubbish you have in your head from fellow idol worshipping protestants, on Nairaland and you claim to have studied what we practice. If you want to learn how to drive a car do you go a shoe maker?, if you want to lern how to read and write, do you go to a butcher?, if you want to know what medical doctor practice do you go to an engineer. If you want to know what catholics practice do you go to protestants? Many threads have be used in the past to accuse catholics of idol worship and we have given reasons to prove that our practices are all scriptural, mostly rooted in the Old Testament system of worship in the Temple, ordered or approve by God, but you protestants rejected them and won't agree with us. Now we have a thread that has Perfectly turned the table arround and as we demanded reasons for your practice, you started giving the exact reasons you rejected in the past. Now I have a question for you. [Q] When someone denied the truth yesterday and comes today to accept that truth because it will favor him, is that person not a BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITE?

^^My advice to you is whenever you see the truth, consider it carefully and follow it. We are in the vanguard of propagating the truth.

Are you asking me to learn about God and what He wants us to do from catholic when i have the bible?

If what catholics do is the opposite, the bible shows it. See a perfect analogy here: you are an engineer(Christian), am an engineer(Christian). If you engage in wrong practices(idol worship), i will go to engineering handbook(bible) and show you that it is wrong to use filing machine to file fufu.

All truth is in the bible. Better debunk the truth in my analogies cos you can't get anything about me without proving me wrong from the scriptures.

Boomark: ^^My advice to you is whenever you see the truth, consider it carefully and follow it. We are in the vanguard of propagating the truth.

Are you asking me to learn about God and what He wants us to do from catholic when i have the bible?

If what catholics do is the opposite, the bible shows it. See a perfect analogy here: you are an engineer(Christian), am an engineer(Christian). If you engage in wrong practices(idol worship), i will go to engineering handbook(bible) and show you that it is wrong to use filing machine to file fufu.

All truth is in the bible. Better debunk the truth in my analogies cos you can't get anything about me without proving me wrong from the scriptures.

actually u just diverted d thread, read again, d thread is abt protestant idolatry and i guess d forum rules says u address d topic at hand not form ur own topic.

Sometimes I marvel @ the way we christians argue endlessly about who's the best between a catholic and a pentecostal. For goodness sake are we serving different god's and bearing the same name 'christians'.

Joshua 1:8 says "this book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth but thou shalt meditate therein day and nightm that thou mayest observe to do according to ALL that was written therein...."

so Op and his debaters, read your Bible and understand. "my people die for lack of knowledge..."
eeish! Its so embarassing to think that we still can't discern between the right and the wrong.

You are serving God not man, so stop trying to please any body by your faith. If the catholics think its right to use rosary, pray to Mary, that's fine. If some churches chose to pray to their Bible, fine! What matters is that we are all going to give account before God.

I see no point arguing on this issue. Serve the Lord your God with all your heart, stop judging the way other's serve their own God! Don't be like the pharisee and the sadducee

Jude 1:6
"these are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage"

do not judge or condemn others, because you are also gonna be judged by the supreme Judge- God
Matt 7:1-6
"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

whom are we to judge what other people are going?

Oh yes! We know there are false preachers; even the Bible tells us so, but that doesn't mean we should sit back or rely on what they are preaching. That's why you have a BIBLE.
1st Timothy 4:13
"Till I come, give attendance to reading...."

hmmn, Op, I guess the reason for this thread is not to make fun of your fellow christians, if its so, please, amend your ways.
The same way you believe in your faith, so do the pentecostal.

The fact that you went into ONE church and saw them kneeling before their Bibles does not mean every Pentecostal churches do that too.
Did you go into that church to worship God or you went to see and hear what they do and say?
Hope you know the same way you were thought to say 'Hail Mary', same way they were thought to speak in tongues.
And also, the way you think praying to mary is right, so they think praying to the Bible is right.

My advice is, lets think about how we would make heaven on that day. Not just that, if you see your fellow Christian going astray, try to correct them in a more polite way, not by bashing them.

Remember God watches all we do, he hears all we say. Nobody is holy and righteous,

I can't help but imagine, what an atheist would say, when he/she clicks on your thread, or what an unbeliever would say.

Can't we see? Can't we read the hand writting on the wall that the end time is here? Its time for us to win souls for Christ not to argue whom and who is the best.

Be blessed

Ubenedictus: actually u just diverted d thread, read again, d thread is abt protestant idolatry and i guess d forum rules says u address d topic at hand not form ur own topic.

Ok

Boomark: ^^My advice to you is whenever you see the truth, consider it carefully and follow it. We are in the vanguard of propagating the truth.

Are you asking me to learn about God and what He wants us to do from catholic when i have the bible?

If what catholics do is the opposite, the bible shows it. See a perfect analogy here: you are an engineer(Christian), am an engineer(Christian). If you engage in wrong practices(idol worship), i will go to engineering handbook(bible) and show you that it is wrong to use filing machine to file fufu.

All truth is in the bible. Better debunk the truth in my analogies cos you can't get anything about me without proving me wrong from the scriptures.

[CORRECTION NO1] All truths are not in the bible. There are many things that are true, that are not in the bible. Besides I don't take this as answer to my question. Let me repeat the question, using you perfect analogy [Q]If Protestants Christians (engineers) denies the Truth(eg g=9.8m/s), everyday and then comes out today to accept it because it will favor them, ARE THEY NOT BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITES(fake engineers). PLEASE answer my simple question and stop avoiding it.

BukkyDan: Sometimes I marvel @ the way we christians argue endlessly about who's the best between a catholic and a pentecostal. For goodness sake are we serving different god's and bearing the same name 'christians'.

Joshua 1:8 says "this book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth but thou shalt meditate therein day and nightm that thou mayest observe to do according to ALL that was written therein...."

so Op and his debaters, read your Bible and understand. "my people die for lack of knowledge..."
eeish! Its so embarassing to think that we still can't discern between the right and the wrong.

You are serving God not man, so stop trying to please any body by your faith. If the catholics think its right to use rosary, pray to Mary, that's fine. If some churches chose to pray to their Bible, fine! What matters is that we are all going to give account before God.

I see no point arguing on this issue. Serve the Lord your God with all your heart, stop judging the way other's serve their own God! Don't be like the pharisee and the sadducee

Jude 1:6
"these are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage"

do not judge or condemn others, because you are also gonna be judged by the supreme Judge- God
Matt 7:1-6
"Judge not, that ye be not judged."

whom are we to judge what other people are going?

Oh yes! We know there are false preachers; even the Bible tells us so, but that doesn't mean we should sit back or rely on what they are preaching. That's why you have a BIBLE.
1st Timothy 4:13
"Till I come, give attendance to reading...."

hmmn, Op, I guess the reason for this thread is not to make fun of your fellow christians, if its so, please, amend your ways.
The same way you believe in your faith, so do the pentecostal.

The fact that you went into ONE church and saw them kneeling before their Bibles does not mean every Pentecostal churches do that too.
Did you go into that church to worship God or you went to see and hear what they do and say?
Hope you know the same way you were thought to say 'Hail Mary', same way they were thought to speak in tongues.
And also, the way you think praying to mary is right, so they think praying to the Bible is right.

My advice is, lets think about how we would make heaven on that day. Not just that, if you see your fellow Christian going astray, try to correct them in a more polite way, not by bashing them.

Remember God watches all we do, he hears all we say. Nobody is holy and righteous,

I can't help but imagine, what an atheist would say, when he/she clicks on your thread, or what an unbeliever would say.

Can't we see? Can't we read the hand writting on the wall that the end time is here? Its time for us to win souls for Christ not to argue whom and who is the best.

Be blessed

Honestly, I love all you have said here, many of them are true. But what I don't understand is why you never said this in the Hundreds of thread Blasphamous Protestants have created on NL to Judge us for Practicing what Gods people praticed in the Scriptures. Now that I Launched a single thread to watch Blasphamous Protestants accept biblical truths they rejected many times in the past, as you can see it happening right here, you came in as a true beliver to seprate "the fight". I just have one Question for you. Just be SINCERE to yourself. Do you think you will make the same COMMENT if this thread was created by your fellow Protestant Brother or Sister to accuse Catholics for Idolatry? HONESTLY, I don't think so.

Boomark:

Ok

Thats Very Good! Now answer my QUESTION.

Lovethywilbedon: [CORRECTION NO1] All truths are not in the bible. There are many things that are true, that are not in the bible. Besides I don't take this as answer to my question. Let me repeat the question, using you perfect analogy [Q]If Protestants Christians (engineers) denies the Truth(eg g=9.8m/s), everyday and then comes out today to accept it because it will favor them, ARE THEY NOT BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITES(fake engineers). PLEASE answer my simple question and stop avoiding it.

The bolded in your question is faulty. Simply using a Christian would have shown your honesty. If i should substitute a "catholic," i know you wount like the answer below.

Now to any Christian that accepts the truth only when it favours him is a hypocrite.

Lovethywilbedon: Honestly, I love all you have said here, many of them are true. But what I don't understand is why you never said this in the Hundreds of thread Blasphamous Protestants have created on NL to Judge us for Practicing what Gods people praticed in the Scriptures. Now that I Launched a single thread to watch Blasphamous Protestants accept biblical truths they rejected many times in the past, as you can see it happening right here, you came in as a true beliver to seprate "the fight". I just have one Question for you. Just be SINCERE to yourself. Do you think you will make the same COMMENT if this thread was created by your fellow Protestant Brother or Sister to accuse Catholics for Idolatry? HONESTLY, I don't think so.

Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you- Lovethywilbedon,

Did you actually get the message in my post?
What makes you think I'm a not being sincere?

Dearie, as you said I came to separate 'a fight', well let it be so.
I don't know if you've been bashed by your fellow christians on your faith, but my point is;

"we should stop this arguement about who is the true follower of Christ"
we are all following CHRIST, thats why we call ourselves CHRISTIANS.
So, I being a catholic or a pentecostal should not matter now. What should matter is that 'UNITY' in Christ.

Just imagine how Jesus Christ would feel, if He should come now, and discovers the CHURCH is busy fighting on Nairaland; when they should be winning souls and preparing for His return.

As far as Bukky is concerned, she is for peace .

God bless you

Boomark:

The bolded in your question is faulty. Simply using a Christian would have shown your honesty. If i should substitute a "catholic," i know you wount like the answer below.

Now to any Christian that accepts the truth only when it favours him is a hypocrite.

SO with this you agree that ANTICATHOLIC PENTICOSTAL PROTESTANTS ARE NOT ONLY IDOL WORSHIPPERS BUT ALSO BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITES.

BukkyDan:

Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you- Lovethywilbedon,

Did you actually get the message in my post?
What makes you think I'm a not being sincere?

Dearie, as you said I came to separate 'a fight', well let it be so.
I don't know if you've been bashed by your fellow christians on your faith, but my point is;

"we should stop this arguement about who is the true follower of Christ"
we are all following CHRIST, thats why we call ourselves CHRISTIANS.
So, I being a catholic or a pentecostal should not matter now. What should matter is that 'UNITY' in Christ.

Just imagine how Jesus Christ would feel, if He should come now, and discovers the CHURCH is busy fighting on Nairaland; when they should be winning souls and preparing for His return.

As far as Bukky is concerned, she is for peace .

God bless you

Thank. All that you said here is TRUE but another Truth is that you woun't post a comment as good as this in a thread buy an anthicatholic accusing catholics for idol worship;

We visited a friend last month in Lagos and was amazed that the picture of TB JOshua was enlarged and placed in all rooms and corridors of the house including the kitchen. I marveled at such human worship. A Pentecostal pastor in PH who is friendly with me and comes to my office once in a while to ask me for tithes once gave me his photograph to keep as aping of contact. I quickly returned it to him tha as a catholic I do not need such. So like some one asked before, what is point of contact as done by Pentecostals?

BukkyDan:

Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you- Lovethywilbedon,

Did you actually get the message in my post?
What makes you think I'm a not being sincere?

Dearie, as you said I came to separate 'a fight', well let it be so.
I don't know if you've been bashed by your fellow christians on your faith, but my point is;

"we should stop this arguement about who is the true follower of Christ"
we are all following CHRIST, thats why we call ourselves CHRISTIANS.
So, I being a catholic or a pentecostal should not matter now. What should matter is that 'UNITY' in Christ.

Just imagine how Jesus Christ would feel, if He should come now, and discovers the CHURCH is busy fighting on Nairaland; when they should be winning souls and preparing for His return.

As far as Bukky is concerned, she is for peace .

God bless you

Ms Bukky Daniel.

I understand you are for peace but not everyone that call Jesus Lord Lord are his followers. Some said they cast out demons in his name but he called them, "worker of iniquity." what is the difference between these people and those who are not for Christ? And i don't think he send them to purgatory.

This same unity you seek is what we seek. We can't be losing those we think we have to the wrong teachings and practices.

My dagger is ever ready to cut out any ear that will not hear.

Peace.

Lovethywilbedon: SO with this you agree that ANTICATHOLIC PENTICOSTAL PROTESTANTS ARE NOT ONLY IDOL WORSHIPPERS BUT ALSO BLASPHAMOUS HYPOCRITES.

Are you talking about those in this forum or the people in that church you saw? Are these people aware you are calling them anti-catholics? So it wount be as if you lying against them.

I have given you answers for all Christians which is: anyone who twist the word just to suit him/her is a hypocrite.

If you desire specific answers then you have to tell me what the person did so i wount summarize the person in error.

Jesus quoted from the scriptures but didnt bow before it.

jesus had no rosary or point of contact material when praying.

jesus didnt order us to make graven images or honour his mother.

jesus didnt say we should the gathering of christian brethrens a name.

jesus didnt burn incense.

The above are just a few of the things jesus never did that so-called christians are doing now. If you find yourself under any umbrella that does such then it is adviceable you leave.

Study the bible on your own cos you dont need priests,pastors etc cos you are one already.

Segeggs: Jesus quoted from the scriptures but didnt bow before it.

jesus had no rosary or point of contact material when praying.

jesus didnt order us to make graven images or honour his mother.

jesus didnt say we should the gathering of christian brethrens a name.

jesus didnt burn incense.

The above are just a few of the things jesus never did that so-called christians are doing now. If you find yourself under any umbrella that does such then it is adviceable you leave.

Study the bible on your own cos you dont need priests,pastors etc cos you are one already.

But Jesus never studied the Bible...why do you?

Boomark:


This same unity you seek is what we seek.

Which unity do you seek? That we should all become Jehovah's witnesses?

Abi who are you united with?

italo:

But Jesus never studied the Bible...why do you?

That is a VERY GOOD QUESTION.

italo:

Which unity do you seek? That we should all become Jehovah's witnesses?

Abi who are you united with?

United in Christ. This unity is all following Christ not Mary. Its all about worshiping God in spirit and in truth as Christ who we are following told us. There should be no trace of things that are or looks like idol.

It is not about Mary going to God through him but We going to God through Christ.

These are a few of the things true worshipers do.

italo:

But Jesus never studied the Bible...why do you?

He meant that you should study the book of Isaiah, Daniel, etc as Jesus did and also study the letters from the apostles, they contain the truth revealed by the Holy spirit.

The term "bible" is not that relevant to us but the contents are. I can chose to call the one i use "scroll" and no body will beat me.

Is there any other problem sir? To you also, sister Love.

hey sweerie 1000 likes for that thread its good dat you are exposing hypocrisy in the thread. I have scriptures to prove....very good thread

Boomark:

He meant that you should study the book of Isaiah, Daniel, etc as Jesus did and also study the letters from the apostles, they contain the truth revealed by the Holy spirit.

The term "bible" is not that relevant to us but the contents are. I can chose to call the one i use "scroll" and no body will beat me.

Is there any other problem sir? To you also, sister Love.

Nope he said study the bible.besides since Jesus didn't study the NT should we discard it?

Did Jesus use the internet? Did he browse on nairaland? Why do you do all these?

Catholic temples are filled with pagan symbols and dead bodies, Gay priests,war scandals, false and pagan doctrines, occult practices etc prostestants too, but the true followers of christ dont do any of the above and are like christ.

chukwudi44:

Nope he said study the bible.besides since Jesus didn't study the NT should we discard it?

Did Jesus use the internet? Did he browse on nairaland? Why do you do all these?

Jesus did not study the new testament But the NT contains the truth Jesus said the Holyspirit will reveal to us. So do you still want to discard the NT?

I use nairaland to spread the Gospel. I think the apostles would use it if it was available during their time. But Jesus and his disciples never prayed to Mary who was available then.

So is it wrong to us the internet?
Is it wrong to use the

Yooguyz: hey sweerie 1000 likes for that thread its good dat you are exposing hypocrisy in the thread. I have scriptures to prove....very good thread

You can see how daft there questions are. The more they ask such questions the more they expose themselves.

And when i ask questions they could not answer, they flaw the genuity of what the believe in.

Boomark:

Jesus did not study the new testament But the NT contains the truth Jesus said the Holyspirit will reveal to us. So do you still want to discard the NT?

I use nairaland to spread the Gospel. I think the apostles would use it if it was available during their time. But Jesus and his disciples never prayed to Mary who was available then.

So is it wrong to us the internet?
Is it wrong to use the

All these things you are doing, Jesus never did. Yet you blame others for doing things that Jesus never did. That is hypocrisy.

Segeggs: Catholic temples are filled with pagan symbols and dead bodies, Gay priests,war scandals, false and pagan doctrines, occult practices etc prostestants too, but the true followers of christ dont do any of the above and are like christ.

Are you a true follower of Christ?