Sybellah:

De rien est ce que tu peux creer un topic sur le peuple songhai?

J'y peux, mais seulement quand j'ai des temps

Les blancs la sont impolis dehhh
http://www.paperblog.fr/1523705/maures-soninkes-sereres-peuls-wolofs/

thiendella: Les blancs la sont impolis dehhh
http://www.paperblog.fr/1523705/maures-soninkes-sereres-peuls-wolofs/

These descriptions are completely false: <<La race peule d’une couleur cuivrée, d’apparence débile, mais en réalité d’un tempérament d’acier et remarquable par la douceur de son langage
Read more at http://www.paperblog.fr/1523705/maures-soninkes-sereres-peuls-wolofs/#kyCCX4tbVKPF53qp.99>>

Where do they get this nonsense from?

Fulaman198:

These descriptions are completely false: <<La race peule d’une couleur cuivrée, d’apparence débile, mais en réalité d’un tempérament d’acier et remarquable par la douceur de son langage
Read more at http://www.paperblog.fr/1523705/maures-soninkes-sereres-peuls-wolofs/#kyCCX4tbVKPF53qp.99>>

Where do they get this nonsense from?

Lol fulaman this is not bad, he just said fulani language is good sounding, he dissed the moors more .

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thiendella:
Lol fulaman this is not bad, he just said fulani language is good sounding, he dissed the moors more .

It was more about the Temperament of Steel, I agree that the language sounds good, but all Senegambian languages sound very beautiful to my ear.

Also how he mentioned: d’apparence débile

Peul/Fulani is not a race either, it's an ethnic group

The Wangara in the Context of Mali

10 Valentim Fernandes, factory manager at Arguim, obtained important information on the Malian gold (...)

Ibn Battouta and Ibn Khaldoun are the primary sources for the Malian period; the first Portuguese source seems to date from 145510. But the Wangara are mentioned in Mali from the time of the victory of Sunjata over Sumanguru (c. 1230) until the 15th century (Niane 1982: 3). The Tarikh es-Sudan (Houdas 1981: 18-20) and Tarikh el-Fettach (Houdas & Delafosse 1913: 40-41, 74-78), written during the Songhay period, relate earlier material from the period of Mali's dominance in the middle Niger.

Visiting Mali from 1352 to 1354 at the time of Mansa Suleiman, Ibn Battuta identified southern black merchants in the desert-side town of Zaghari as Wanjarata:


"After a distance of ten days' travel from Îwâlâtan, we arrived at the village of Zâgharî, which is a big place with black merchants living in it. They are called Wanjarâta, and there live with them a group of white men who follow the sect of the Ibâdî from amongst the Khârijites. They are called Saghanaghû. The Sunni mâliki among the white men in that country are called Tûrî. From this town anlî is brought to Îwâlâtan. Then we went on from Zâgharî and arrived at the great river, the Nile. On it is the town of Kârsakhû. The Nile descends from it to Kâbara, then to Zâgha. Kâbara and Zâgha have two sultans who give obedience to the king of Malli. And the people of Zâgha are old in Islam, they are religious and seekers after knowledge. Then the Nile comes down from Zâgha to Tunbuktû [Timbuktu], then to Kawkaw [Gao], the two places we shall mention below. Then it comes to the town of Mûlî, which is the land of the Lîmiyyu¯n and is the last county of Malli" (Hamdun & King 1975: 32).

11 Cf. supra. The root Zagha- represents the Fulani word Sare-, Sara- as in Saredina, and Sarafere, (...)

Thus Zaghari, ten days journey distant from Walata, was not directly situated on the river. On the other hand Kabara, on the river, is the name of the port of Timbuktu, but also an old name for Lake Debo. Since its situation is given as downstream of Karsakhu, but upriver from Zagha, which itself was situated upriver of Timbuktu, Kabara seems to designate the Debo, and both Zaghari and Zagha--frequently mentioned in the Tarikhs--must have been situated to the south-west and upstream of Timbuktu. Zagha was the point of departure of the Wangara into Hausaland in the late 14th or early 15th century11.

12 More research into the Touré clan, one of the leading clans, on the middle Niger would be most in (...)

Ibn Battouta's remarks are of considerable interest for the relationship between different communities and their religions, between foreigners and indigenous people, and animists and Moslems: in Zaghari, the kings (maliks) were orthodox Sunni muslims, and of the Toure clan, while another part of the population belonged to the unorthodox sect of the Ibadites, and the Saganogo clan. This is to my knowledge the first reference to Malian clan names in Arab sources and establishes the Toure--who are often referred as Arma (Arama), descendants of Roum or pre-Arab North African soldiers and local women--well before the Moroccan invasion 12while the Sanogo from the "Ibadi sect of the Kharijites" were probably the imams. In contrast, the Wanjarata are clearly described as blacks merchants.

13 Cf. Ibn Khaldoun (1969b: 272; 278), information on the Kharedjite rite among the Zindjas of the M (...)

The distinction between Sunni and Ibadi points to a major religious rift in the area, one which continued among the Songhay at least until Mohammed Askia's time. While the kings followed the Sunni rite, the imams followed the Kharijia rite, a heterodox doctrine adopted by the Senhaja and Zenata Berber following the first wave of Islamic conversion. According to Ibn Khaldoun the dispute between Kharijite and Maliki rites originated over the mode of selection of the imam, with the older, "heterodox" Moslims, chosing the imams from local lineages, while the Maliki doctrine became prevalent with the growing influence of a new generation of Arab muallim trained in North African universities (at Kaïro, Kairouan or Tunes) who required that the imam should have a connection to the prophet, in particular be chosen from the prophet's mother's lineage, the Khoreichi13.

14 Information on the khoreich by the Sekou Koreichi, son Oumar Koreichi, old "chef de canton de Dia (...)
15 See Houdas (1981: 9-12) about Sunni origines. Sonni Ali is called the Great Tyrant, the Kharejite (...)

Mansa Musa is said to have brought one or several members of the Koreichi lineage on his return from the Hajj in 1324 to hold the imamship at his court14. But, more than hundred years later, Sonni Ali still adhered to the Kharijite doctrine, and for this reason is said to have organized the persecution and killing of the Timbuktu ulema in 1469 who were Sunni Malikites15.

16 "Malinke and Wangara are the sons of an early Malian king, the one chose royal power and reigned (...)

A Malian source, cited in the Tarikh es-Sudan, and apparently used by Niane, attempts to assimilate the Wangara to Malinke. The Tarikh makes a fundamental socio-professional distinction between Malinke and Wangara, claiming both to be of the same origin, the former being princes and warriors and the latter "traders who carry gold dust from country to country as the courtiers of princes" (Niane 1982: 3)16.

17 Cf. Baiao & Bensaude (1940: 52-54). See also Monod et al. (1951: 85-87).

In this context the information in V. Fernandes on Djenne is of prime importance and his description of the Ungaros is characteristic of the Wangara trade of the time17.

Descendant of Roum!!!

We also have very few/extinct mande people's/languages in northern nigeria, such as bisa, kayenga, etc. Also these languages have been mainly replaced with Hausa.

Bambara is also spoken in ivory coast, in ivory coast and Burkina Faso, it is also known or refered to as "Dioula" mnwo

Soninke Language

The Soninke language (Soninke: Sooninkanxanne[1]) is a Mande language spoken by the Soninke people of West Africa. The language has an estimated 1,096,795 speakers, primarily located in Mali, and also (in order of numerical importance of the communities) in Senegal, Ivory Coast, The Gambia, Mauritania, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea and Ghana. It enjoys the status of a national language in Mali, Senegal, and Mauritania.
The language is relatively homogeneous, with only slight phonological, lexical, and grammatical variations.
Linguistically, its nearest relatives are the Bozo languages, centered around the Inner Niger Delta.
It is may be that the Imraguen and Nemadi are dialects of Soninke, but this is not certain.

Total population by countries

Population totale 1 703 000 (estim. 2009)

Populations significatives par régions
Mali 976 000
Sénégal 260 000
Gambie 160 000
Côte d'Ivoire 154 000
Mauritanie 140 000
France 9 300
Guinée-Bissau 5 200

Fulaman198:


Ok, interesting the thing is Songhai isn't a Gur language and yet there are Songhai with the name Touré (or Ture/Tureh). There are even Nigerians with the name of Ture/Tureh but they are Zarma as there are no Mande speaking people in Nigeria.

There are actually Mande speaking tribes in Nigeria, specifically northern Nigeria, although they are minority and most of them speak Hausa more often, they include the kyenga people, shagawa people, bussa people and Boko people. These are extinct Mande people. Make your research to confirm.
On the other hand The baatonum or bariba people are a Gur ethnic group in northern Nigeria and Benin republic.

The cultures in Africa are diverse and rich. I am always interested in knowing and reading about the various tribes in our continent. I think there is a relationship between the Jolofs of Gambia and the Wolofs of Senegal.