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Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:14pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: background radiation and expansion of the universe proves a starting point from energy, according to creationists |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by mazaje(m): 11:15pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: I am not making any positive claim. . .You are the one making a positive claim for god. . .You have not even established through the scientific process that your god idea exist in the first place, yet you want me to disprove your idea scientifically or show how science disproves your idea that you have failed to even explain what it is?. . .Can't you see how ridiculous you sound?. . .Again if you can tell us exactly what your god is, how it looks like, how its voice sounds like, how exactly it interact with humans and the univserse etc. . .Please provide a factual description of your god’s characteristics and abilities so that we can be sure that we can pass it over to the scientist to help us know if it exist or not and tell us so that will know it when we see it, hear its voice or come in contact with it. Try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity. If you do that then I will pass it over to the scientist and they will prove or disprove it. . So far and as it stands now science has nothing to do with your mytholgy and imaginations. . 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:16pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
ooman4: and these assumptions are based on these having begun from completely empty vacuum? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:18pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: according to the creationists, yes. and you are wrong, in the quantum physics sense, there is nothing like empty vacuum. THERE IS NO NOTHING IN QUANTUM PHYSICS, EVERYTHING IS FILLED WITH ENERGY |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:18pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
mazaje: I'm not even sure you understand the point. I am not making a positive claim for God... infact on this thread i have made no claim for anything. I only came here to understand how science explains the issue of the earths creation and the beginning of life. So i will ask again for the 4th time - how does science disprove the existence of God? Answering that question should not be dependent on whether i believe in God or not PROVIDED you have the scientific evidence you all claim exists. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:19pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
ooman4: So you mean SOMETHING (matter) has ALWAYS existed? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:20pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
SO THE TERM "NOTHING COMES FROM NOTHING" HAS SELF DESTRUCT ACCORDING TO QUANTUM PHYSICS. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:20pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: [size=15pt]JESUS[/size] DO YOU NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MATTER AND ENERGY. DUMB DUNCE |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by mazaje(m): 11:22pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: God is a man made mythical idea, as such it has no verifiable evidence to support it and science has nothing to do with that mythtical idea. . . |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:28pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
ooman4: Matter - anything that has space and volume. You said earlier that the theory of space expansion is evidence for the fact that galaxies are moving farther from each other. that means to me that whatever started expanding at a particular time must have had SPACE and volume = matter. So your point is what exactly? That energy has always existed? From where did this energy come from? in what form was it and how did it exactly created solid matter? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:28pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
mazaje: I ask again for the 5th time... how does science prove that God is a mythical idea? How exactly does science explain the creation? Still waiting for answers. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:38pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: are u still in secondary school or did you just graduate and is still confused? Have you forgotten the law that energy cannot be created or destroyed. not even your God can try. Energy is the eternal, omnipresent unconscious charge, which make up quarks which make up matter. or better still ooman: Evolution explains perfectly the design we have in nature. Have you read about quarks, there are 3 different types of quarks, the up quark with +2/3 charge, the down quark with-1/3 charge and the strange quark with -1/3 charge. and so, energy makes up matter which makes a god useless. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:39pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: science never explains creation |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by mazaje(m): 11:39pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: History has already proven that god is a mythical idea and a man made construct, scince can not disprove a mythical construct. . .No god can be shown to exist on its own independent of human stories, what human culture choses to say or portray about such a god idea it created and human societal acceptance and infulence of the god idea it created. . .Science has nothing to do with the mythical god idea. . .Science can only disprove certain things written in mythical stories.. .For example lets take the myth about how the rain bow came about according to the bible. . .According to the bible the rainbow began about 4 thousand years ago after the mythical global flood, Science can disprove that narrative by showing that rainbow is simply a refraction of water droplets in the atmosphere and has been in existence for millions of years. .Any where there is a refraction of water droplets in the atmospher a rain bow will appear. . .Thats how science debunks fairy and mythical tales. . . The scientific explanation for the creation of the universe is the BB. . . 1 Like |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:42pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
ooman4: Well the only difference between the "God" and your "eternal, omnipresent" energy is that one has interactions with humans with well established rules of engagement and one doesnt. Apart from that, both are eternal, omnipresent unconscious charges! So your problem isnt really about whether God exists or not but that He pokes his nose too much into the affairs of men? Ok gotcha. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:45pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
mazaje: Oh dear... i ask a question 5 times and all i get is a long 6-line diatribe on the mythical concept of God? In the spirit of how YOU want your questions answered, i will extend the same courtesy to you that you please explain HOW the big ba.ng conclusively provides explanation for the creation of the universe. Can you tell us EXACTLY what the big b.ang is, how it started, how exactly it lead to the formation of life as we know it. Please provide a factual description of the events prior and immediately after the event in question. thanks. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by mazaje(m): 11:49pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: And where did I make any of the claims you are making above? Where did I say the scientific explanation says any of the nonsense you have put up there?. . .Below is the very first post I made on this thread. . . mazaje: You seem not to know what you are on about. . . |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 11:53pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
mazaje: Ok in your last post... you point is that "nobody knows" but earlier you had said that the scientific evidence was the BB. I'm confused, do we know for a FACT that the BB is the scientific explanation or do we not know? It cant be both when it suits you. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 11:55pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: not just that, your dumb God is conscious, yet allow evil, but my ever loving energy, which gave itself to make me to be conscious is unconscious in its original form, yet conscious in its combined form, me. My problem is not that your God pokes his nose down our affairs, my problem is that he claims to make us and care for us, yet he DOES NOT POKE HIS NOSE DOWN TO SAVE US FROM DISEASES AND DEATH, which he created AND WHICH LOOKED GOOD TO HIM ACCORDING TO GENESIS. After which he expects me to spend my very little precious time worshiping him so he can save me from hell. who told him am afraid of hell? am not actually, because there, i will meet Einstein and Darwin and we can discuss making escaping to Goldielock. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by mazaje(m): 11:58pm On Feb 23, 2013 |
davidylan: Learn to read. . .This was what I said. . . mazaje: Explanation and evidence are two very different things. . . |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 12:02am On Feb 24, 2013 |
mazaje: An explanation with no "evidence" at all is mere speculation based on faith. So is it your claim that BB has no evidence whatsoever and is merely a theory that may or may not be true? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 12:03am On Feb 24, 2013 |
ooman4: Ok so we can firmly establish that your problem with God isnt so much His existence but His nature since you believe that another "god" (aka energy) exists and is eternal and omnipresent? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 12:10am On Feb 24, 2013 |
davidylan: You know that is the problem i have with people like yourself. Once you discover something magnificent, you start worshiping it, do you worship the sun too, what about oxygen that gives you life? morons, wake up, NOTHING DESERVES WORSHIP. My problem with your God is that he is proclaimed to be too perfect for him to create an imperfect world. with your knowledge of genetics, you know what spontaneous mutation means and its effect on embryology, the effect and causes of cancer and others. A perfect God would know better. This are the reasons why a GOD CANNOT EXIST IN NATURE, IT IS A TOTAL IMPOSSIBILITY. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 12:12am On Feb 24, 2013 |
ooman4: but you do believe in a "god" aka energy. the only thing is that this "energy" does not require any worship from you neither do you have an sense of responsibility towards it. It appears to me again that what you have against God isnt so much the impossibility of his existence as much as you do not wish to deal with the consequences of having to live according to His rules. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 12:17am On Feb 24, 2013 |
davidylan: dont force your stupi.dity on me. I DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANY GOD, I DO NOT WORSHIP ANYTHING. THE WORD "GOD" DOES NOT EXIST IN MY DICTIONARY. WHAT I HAVE AGAINST YOUR GOD IS THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF HIS EXISTENCE, I WAS A XTIAN BEFORE, IF THAT WILL HELP. I DISCOVERED YOUR GOD DOES NOT EXIST WHEN I DISCOVERED THAT EVERYTHING CAME FROM ENERGY. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 12:49am On Feb 24, 2013 |
ooman4: why are you shouting? Anyone chasing you? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 1:00am On Feb 24, 2013 |
davidylan:
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Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 1:01am On Feb 24, 2013 |
[quote author=ooman4][/quote] hmmm i wonder why the internet meme you posted has "unforgiven" in its web line. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 1:04am On Feb 24, 2013 |
davidylan: are you afraid of hell? |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 1:07am On Feb 24, 2013 |
ooman4: Me? Never... why? You seem to be the one yelling in fear. |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by ooman4: 1:13am On Feb 24, 2013 |
davidylan: Me? Never...why? you seem to be the one who sold your soul because of fear of hell |
Re: God Did Not Create Man In His Image, We Created God In Our Image by Nobody: 1:15am On Feb 24, 2013 |
ooman4: I wasnt asking you directly... i frankly dont care. I was only amused at why you were shouting so loudly. |
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