We believe in Marx, Freud, and Darwin. We believe that everything is ok, as long as you don’t hurt anyone, to the best of your definition of hurt, and to the best of your definition of knowledge. We believe in sex before, during and after marriage, we believe in the therapy of sin. We believe that adultery is fun, we believe that sodomy is ok, we believe that taboo’s are taboo. We believe that everything is getting better despite evidence to the contrary. The evidence must be investigated and you can prove anything with evidence. We believe there is something in horoscopes, UFO’s and bent spoons. Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Muhammad and ourselves. We believe he was a good moral teacher although we think his good morals were really bad. We believe that all religions are basically the same, at least the one that we read was. They all believe in love and goodness, they only differ in matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.

We believe that after death comes nothing because when you ask the dead they say nothing. If death is not the end then there is heaven for all except maybe Hitler, Stalin, and Khan. We believe in Masters and Johnson, what is selected is average, and what is average is normal and what is normal is good. We believe in total disarmament, we believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed, and that the Americans should beat their guns into tractors and the Russians will be sure to follow. We believe that man is essentially good, it is only his behavior that lets him down. This is the fault of society, society is the fault of conditions, and conditions are the fault of society. If man does what is right for him, then reality will adapt accordingly. The universe will re-adjust, history will alter. We believe there is no absolute truth except that there is no absolute truth. We believe in the rejection of creeds and the flowering of individual thought.

If chance is the father of all flesh, then disaster is his rainbow in the sky. When in a state of emergency the sniper kills the child, the youth go looting, or bomb blasts rock the school, it is nothing more than the sound of man worshiping his maker.

^^^I think the above pretty much sums up the atheist worldview.

If you are an atheist and you disagree, then please define precisely what your personal worldview is.

we don't believe in the Christian God and we also believe the bible is false, yet we use the same bible to attack God that doesn't exist

Mr_Anony2: ^^^I think the above pretty much sums up the atheist worldview.

If you are an atheist and you disagree, then please define precisely what your personal worldview is.

So that was your world view before you became a Christian?

Keep taking that 'God' medicine...

musKeeto:
So that was your world view before you became a Christian?

Keep taking that 'God' medicine...

His worldview as an atheist (before he became a christian) is that there is nothing wrong with ra.pe since there is no God


Without God, he sees no reason why he shouldnt be a serial rapist
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But wait! Is this the real Anony? This could be an impostor because the real Anony isnt this foolish. Atheist creed?

Atheists dont believe in God. Simple. There is no worldview, just personal philosophies and opinions after that.

Mr_Anony2: We believe in a dead Man that cured us of an illness caused by a fruit. We believe that everything is ok, as long as God says so. We believe in massturbation before marriage and peodophilia while celibate. We believe that adultery is fun as long as the church members don't find out. We believe that everything is getting better because our faith deems it so, who needs evidence? Faith must not be investigated and you can prove anything by faith. We believe there is something in horoscopes (the Magis found our savior through that), UFO’s(demons kicked out by God). Jesus was the only good and moral man unlike Buddha, Muhammad and ourselves. We believe he was a good moral teacher, it doesn't matter that he said "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". GOD before humanity, to preach anything else is to be condemned.

We believe that all religions are basically false, except the one that brought us Christ. They all believe in love and goodness, but that's all fake for true love and true goodness comes from Christ.

We believe that after death comes judgement because the dead man promised us life in paradise. Since death is not the end then there is hell for all except those who believe in Christ and do not follow false doctrines. We believe in the Bible and the Bible only: what's plain is truth, what's obscure, believe by faith; that which makes no sense, God had a purpose; and learn to tell an allegory. Wars are only won if God's on your side, and all wars are a fulfillment of the prophetic end times. We believe that man is essentially evil, and only by believing the Bible and letting the Word transform him, can his behavior improve for the better. We believe in the acceptance of creeds without questioning and strongly discourage the flowering of individual thought.

God is the father of all flesh, and disaster is his loving warning. When in a state of emergency the sniper kills the child, the youth go looting, or bomb blasts rock the school, it is nothing more than a test of our faith.

Edited. Fixed.

Firstly, atheism isn't a worldview just as theism isn't a worldview. I will now go ahead to dismantle what you've stated point by point.

Mr_Anony2: We believe in Marx, Freud, and Darwin.

What do you mean by this? They were people who lived so we believe they lived. This doesn't mean that atheists have uncritically accepted their works.

Mr_Anony2:
We believe that everything is ok, as long as you don’t hurt anyone, to the best of your definition of hurt, and to the best of your definition of knowledge. We believe in sex before, during and after marriage, we believe in the therapy of sin. We believe that adultery is fun, we believe that sodomy is ok, we believe that taboo’s are taboo.

I don't know how you arrived at this conclusion from people saying they're atheists. The main problem I have with the "creed" you've presented here is what you mean when you say: we believe . . . . Some atheists accept some things, others don't.

Mr_Anony2:
We believe that everything is getting better despite evidence to the contrary.

Actually, things are getting better. We have managed to eliminate a disease like smallpox and we're on the way to eliminating others, we now have the tools to mitigate world hunger and as we know that violence has declined in the world.

Mr_Anony2:
The evidence must be investigated and you can prove anything with evidence.

Sure evidence is important. If you disagree, then simply say so. Actually, it isn't that you can prove anything with evidence, but that you should be ready to provide evidence to back up your claims.

Mr_Anony2:
We believe there is something in horoscopes, UFO’s and bent spoons.

Do atheists believe this as a creed in the way Christians believe Jesus is the son of God?

Mr_Anony2:
Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Muhammad and ourselves. We believe he was a good moral teacher although we think his good morals were really bad. We believe that all religions are basically the same, at least the one that we read was. They all believe in love and goodness, they only differ in matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.

I can agree with the first three sentences but not the last because not all religions actually believe in love and goodness. At least not as we conceive them to be.

Mr_Anony2:
We believe that after death comes nothing because when you ask the dead they say nothing.

This is just false. We don't arrive at that conclusion because "when you ask the dead they say nothing".

Mr_Anony2:
If death is not the end then there is heaven for all except maybe Hitler, Stalin, and Khan. We believe in Masters and Johnson, what is selected is average, and what is average is normal and what is normal is good.

These are just absurd.

Mr_Anony2:
We believe in total disarmament, we believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed, and that the Americans should beat their guns into tractors and the Russians will be sure to follow.

Are you sure you're not confusing atheism with something else?

Mr_Anony2:
We believe that man is essentially good, it is only his behavior that lets him down.

Another absurdity.

Mr_Anony2:
This is the fault of society, society is the fault of conditions, and conditions are the fault of society. If man does what is right for him, then reality will adapt accordingly. The universe will re-adjust, history will alter. We believe there is no absolute truth except that there is no absolute truth. We believe in the rejection of creeds and the flowering of individual thought.

Yet you've gone on to formulate creeds for atheists who according to you "believe in the rejection of creeds".

Mr_Anony2:
If chance is the father of all flesh, then disaster is his rainbow in the sky. When in a state of emergency the sniper kills the child, the youth go looting, or bomb blasts rock the school, it is nothing more than the sound of man worshiping his maker.

I'm sorry but this final paragraph makes no sense to me.

musKeeto:

Edited. Fixed.

I've not even read the thread yet, so I could be off, but this is a true 1000000+likes.

toba: we don't believe in the Christian God and we also believe the bible is false, yet we use the same bible to attack God that doesn't exist

For those that frequently do this, so? You expect them to not use context if necessary?

Is this an imposter or has anony really sunk down to new lows?. .

toba: we don't believe in the Christian God and we also believe the bible is false, yet we use the same bible to attack God that doesn't exist

Wow, how did I miss this foolishness?


How would someone explain that the bible is false without reading it first and pointing out the false things in it?


Toba, gaddem, you need some sense

Ah, I see, the old atheism is a religion stuff.

Unwritten doctrine or philosophy we all follow, as that's the only possible way it could be. Everything built around petty, slavish clans, yes. Worldwide agendas, etc.

I'll be off then

You got the chance stuff wrong

@Lb: when's your next meeting with anony? You should go along with a psychiatrist. Anony's seriously losing his touch... Even Ihedinobi knows better than this..

Logicboy03:

Toba, gaddem, you need some sense

If wishes were horses...

musKeeto: @Lb: when's your next meeting with anony? You should go along with a psychiatrist. Anony's seriously losing his touch... Even Ihedinobi knows better than this..

Lol....this has to be an impostor. Something this foolish cant be Anony.

wiegraf:

For those that frequently do this, so? You expect them to not use context if necessary?

use context when u want to describe the character of what u believe is not existing? I dont believe in magic, yet i still criticise the magician for doing a bad magic. Maybe im missing something

Logicboy03:


Wow, how did I miss this foolishness?


How would someone explain that the bible is false without reading it first and pointing out the false things in it?


Toba, gaddem, you need some sense

Just shut up kid. False things like the non existing God is wicked, is that also false?

toba: Just shut up kid. False things like the non existing God is wicked, is that also false?

This is how it goes. .Christians claim that god is love and the use the same bible to point to passages that shows their god is love. .Atheist simply open to the same bible and show them passages or stories that also show that their god does not even know what love is. . .Simple. .

Annony:
In the wake all the evil scandals involving paedophile catholic priests, their gay sin parties, their financial malfeasances , their millenia of slash and burn christianity, you should be thoroughly ashamed of your self and your religion for attacking atheists,who are simply people who reject your childish and hypocritical religious fables.

What is the theist creed?

Was this part of christian creed?

http://news.yahoo.com/ireland-apologizes-women-catholic-laundries-202801171.html



A Magdalene laundry, also known as a Magdalene asylum, was a house for women who had "fallen" from "moral correctness".

The asylums were named for Mary Magdalene, the supposed prostitute who apparently repented her sins and became one of Jesus Christ's closest followers. They were started in the middle of the 19th century as rehabilitation centers for prostitutes. However, the victims of the Magdalene asylums could not expect to be forgiven as Mary Magdalene was.

These asylums were a network of laundries operated by the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland and elsewhere, and run by the Sisters of a range of orders. Many women lived and died in these institutions with little hope of escape. The only way they could be freed was by being claimed by a relative. Often, family members were told that the women had moved away, and would be impossible to find because they had assumed new identities.



[b]Magdalene asylums were institutions from the 18th to the late-20th centuries ostensibly to house "fallen women", a term used to imply female sexual promiscuity. Asylums for such girls and women and others believed to be of poor moral character, such as prostitutes, operated throughout Europe and North America for much of the nineteenth and well into the twentieth century. London's Magdalen Asylum was active from 1758 to 1966.[1] The first such asylum in Ireland opened on Leeson Street in Dublin in 1765, founded by Lady Arabella Denny.

Initially the mission of the asylums was to rehabilitate women back into society, but by the early twentieth century the homes had become increasingly punitive and prison-like. In most asylums, the inmates were required to undertake hard physical labour, including laundry and needle work. They endured a daily regimen that included long periods of prayer and enforced silence.[2]

In Ireland, such asylums were known as Magdalene laundries where it is estimated that, since their inception, up to 30,000 women had been incarcerated. The last such institution in Ireland closed in 1996.....Wikipaedia
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toba: use context when u want to describe the character of what u believe is not existing? I dont believe in magic, yet i still criticise the magician for doing a bad magic. Maybe im missing something

Depending on the nature of the argument you may have chosen to accept some parameters. I don't believe black fire breathing dragons exist but if someone claimed they didn't exist in the universe of a sword of ice and fire I'd point out he was wrong. Using that universe as context, dragons exist. If he said there was no magic in the harry potter universe I'd do the same, and perhaps even show him the 'abracadabras' in the books if necessary.

I could have read those books for a variety of reasons, reading them just because I believed in magic is not the only option. Actually, I would think most people who read those books do not believe dragons and that kind of magic exist, do they?

Mr_Anony2: ^^^I think the above pretty much sums up the atheist worldview.

If you are an atheist and you disagree, then please define precisely what your personal worldview is.

Lololol, it appears our in-house atheists on the whole don't like having any burden put on them at all. This is why so many of them don't want to admit they have any positive beliefs as well as being atheists. Often when asked what their positive beliefs are they can't even elucidate it properly.

It's always easier being on the offensive than defining your stance isn't it?

thehomer: Firstly, atheism isn't a worldview just as theism isn't a worldview. I will now go ahead to dismantle what you've stated point by point.

......then please define precisely what your personal worldview is.

Mr_Anony2: We believe in Marx, Freud, and Darwin. We believe that everything is ok, as long as you don’t hurt anyone, to the best of your definition of hurt, and to the best of your definition of knowledge. We believe in sex before, during and after marriage, we believe in the therapy of sin. We believe that adultery is fun, we believe that sodomy is ok, we believe that taboo’s are taboo. We believe that everything is getting better despite evidence to the contrary. The evidence must be investigated and you can prove anything with evidence. We believe there is something in horoscopes, UFO’s and bent spoons. Jesus was a good man just like Buddha, Muhammad and ourselves. We believe he was a good moral teacher although we think his good morals were really bad. We believe that all religions are basically the same, at least the one that we read was. They all believe in love and goodness, they only differ in matters of creation, sin, heaven, hell, God, and salvation.

We believe that after death comes nothing because when you ask the dead they say nothing. If death is not the end then there is heaven for all except maybe Hitler, Stalin, and Khan. We believe in Masters and Johnson, what is selected is average, and what is average is normal and what is normal is good. We believe in total disarmament, we believe there are direct links between warfare and bloodshed, and that the Americans should beat their guns into tractors and the Russians will be sure to follow. We believe that man is essentially good, it is only his behavior that lets him down. This is the fault of society, society is the fault of conditions, and conditions are the fault of society. If man does what is right for him, then reality will adapt accordingly. The universe will re-adjust, history will alter. We believe there is no absolute truth except that there is no absolute truth. We believe in the rejection of creeds and the flowering of individual thought.

If chance is the father of all flesh, then disaster is his rainbow in the sky. When in a state of emergency the sniper kills the child, the youth go looting, or bomb blasts rock the school, it is nothing more than the sound of man worshiping his maker.

hehehe

Mr_Anony2:
Lololol, it appears our in-house atheists on the whole don't like having any burden put on them at all. This is why so many of them don't want to admit they have any positive beliefs as well as being atheists. Often when asked what their positive beliefs are they can't even elucidate it properly.

It's always easier being on the offensive than defining your stance isn't it?

+1

The less the theists fall for the standard and unfailing chicanery of the evangelical atheists the better; intrinsically, evangelical atheists just cannot avoid being duplicitous; their position is that bankrupt and intellectually bereft.

Compare below from https://www.nairaland.com/715030/find-existence-god-threatening/1#8764904

Enigma: . . . .

Breeze5000:
. . . A lot of them just make mouth and ask all those kindergarten questions sometimes, Like lil kids who ask! ask! and ask without pausing to think or imagine if what they are saying makes sense. Since they are the ones that says there is no God, the burden of proof lies with them and I don't see them coming up with anything meaningful! . . .

Oh ho! Instead many of them, especially the evangelical atheists, would (a) rather play the sleight of hand that only the theists/deists have a burden of proof and/or (b) engage in childish sophistry asking the theist/deist to "define" "god" ---- pretending not, or too ignorant, to see the obvious ---- i.e. they can simply "define" or explain which "god" they are arguing does not exist or themselves simply "define" what a "god" is.

And they expect sensible people to engage them in debate --- and can't see why most sensible people just ignore them to their interminably boring rantings?

Cool!

Save for the Catholics and the regular Christian newsletters, a huge majority of Christian-folks on NL are doing that much to contain and possibly destroy Atheism on the Religious section.. it seems we are the new Islamist threat. see how a paltry sprinkle dare mention anything about Islam in spite of the regular disdain it gets from her fanatics on NL we must be doing something right.
I still ache for a time where Christian-speak when discussing (cursing more like) with Atheists are devoid of emotion-laden, self-victimizing vulgar speech the likes mr Anony propagates every chance he gets.. like a goat propagates those black smelly pebbles from its behind.

Rise above your personal,hate-filled opinions and behave just like Jesus did, countering criticism with reason not bile and frustration (definitely not the fuckery posted by the OP)

In summary, most would refuse this dance of shame. Pigs should be left to play in the mud with fellow pigs. Throw in a unicorn there, and well....

musKeeto: @Lb: when's your next meeting with anony? You should go along with a psychiatrist. Anony's seriously losing his touch... Even Ihedinobi knows better than this..

Oh, so now you play me off against my twin? Typical. I think my twin's op is just classic

plaetton: Annony:
In the wake all the evil scandals involving paedophile catholic priests, their gay sin parties, their financial malfeasances , their millenia of slash and burn christianity, you should be thoroughly ashamed of your self and your religion for attacking atheists,who are simply people who reject your childish and hypocritical religious fables.

What is the theist creed?

Was this part of christian creed?

http://news.yahoo.com/ireland-apologizes-women-catholic-laundries-202801171.html



A Magdalene laundry, also known as a Magdalene asylum, was a house for women who had "fallen" from "moral correctness".

The asylums were named for Mary Magdalene, the supposed prostitute who apparently repented her sins and became one of Jesus Christ's closest followers. They were started in the middle of the 19th century as rehabilitation centers for prostitutes. However, the victims of the Magdalene asylums could not expect to be forgiven as Mary Magdalene was.

These asylums were a network of laundries operated by the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland and elsewhere, and run by the Sisters of a range of orders. Many women lived and died in these institutions with little hope of escape. The only way they could be freed was by being claimed by a relative. Often, family members were told that the women had moved away, and would be impossible to find because they had assumed new identities.



[b]Magdalene asylums were institutions from the 18th to the late-20th centuries ostensibly to house "fallen women", a term used to imply female sexual promiscuity. Asylums for such girls and women and others believed to be of poor moral character, such as prostitutes, operated throughout Europe and North America for much of the nineteenth and well into the twentieth century. London's Magdalen Asylum was active from 1758 to 1966.[1] The first such asylum in Ireland opened on Leeson Street in Dublin in 1765, founded by Lady Arabella Denny.

Initially the mission of the asylums was to rehabilitate women back into society, but by the early twentieth century the homes had become increasingly punitive and prison-like. In most asylums, the inmates were required to undertake hard physical labour, including laundry and needle work. They endured a daily regimen that included long periods of prayer and enforced silence.[2]

In Ireland, such asylums were known as Magdalene laundries where it is estimated that, since their inception, up to 30,000 women had been incarcerated. The last such institution in Ireland closed in 1996.....Wikipaedia
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And these same people will take exception to the use of Chairman Mao and Stalin as examples of atheism. Go and sleep joo.

Anony and co have no argument here. This is a troll thread.


lol...note that the christians here have no positive arguments.

Trolololo. Desperate christians

Mr_Anony2:
......then please define precisely what your personal worldview is.

My worldview is broadly consistent with secular humanism.

Mr_Anony2:
Lololol, it appears our in-house atheists on the whole don't like having any burden put on them at all. This is why so many of them don't want to admit they have any positive beliefs as well as being atheists. Often when asked what their positive beliefs are they can't even elucidate it properly.

It's always easier being on the offensive than defining your stance isn't it?

I hope you've properly considered the criticisms of your original post.